I am so happy to hear that this abortuary has been closed by the power of Christ. Thanks to the family of Christ followers that have prayed to Jesus our Lord and Savior for this closer.
i hate abortion soooooooooooooooooooooooooo much..................this is worse than any war yet most people dont even realize..............God bless yall for being pro life and doing what is right!
@funygurl212 nooo if ur pro choice ur not catholic...................the are opposites just like you cant be a girl and a boy at the same time!!!!!! BE PROLIFE!!!!! GOD BLESS
@michaelschwing well that is funny that I was baptized Catholic and practice the catholic faith. My father is even more devoted then I am in following the Catholic church yet still supports pro-choice...hmmm seems like I am Catholic
@funygurl212 6th commandment: You shall not murder.......abortion is murder! if u dont care about obeying God and the Catholic church then you obviously dont believe in God----------atheist
@michaelschwing See whats funny is that your judging me based on something happened...please answer me this...If God wanted me to have a baby (which according to faith he had the power to make me pregnant according to you), then why would I be told that both myself plus my unborn child would have died. Do you want 1 life or none?
@funygurl212 sorry i aint judging just saying murder is wrong......most girls dont have abortions because they are in a life death situation..also Tim Tebow's mom was told to abort Tim because of medical reasons for her but she trusted in God and chose to keep him and God helped her and she was fine
@michaelschwing Ok well understand that every single situation is different. Mine is because of a tumor that could grow and expand into my brain and kill me before I even reach the third trimester. So weighing the risks and rewards...the risks won it. I want a baby more then anything, but how am I supposed to enjoy a baby if I die and don't get to watch it grow.
Well I am in fact HAPPY that the clinic will reopen for those who want a CHOICE! You all are insane people and so judgmental. Have fun in hell. All of you judgmental people are going against the faith of welcoming people with open arms. Are all of you against gay people too!?!?!?!
@TRUMPHMAN It's very sad that the catholic and even more then that just religion in general has such a problem with homosexuality and protecting a woman's right. Now here is my questions to the women out there?? Do we want to go back to having ZERO rights??? Our ancestors had to fight for them! You want to just give them back???
@funygurl212 Not a catholic I find the the most vile of all, pedophiles claiming to be men of "god" christanity and politics are the covert side of homosexuality can any one say Senator Craig. You all will burn in the same hell, baby murderers, homosexuals, false leaders who rant against homosexuality and abortion but practice both in secret. Burn you overt and covert perverts.
It makes me cry to think that god is a proven fact at the beginning of the argument, and then move on to subject matters as if god whispered in their ear the right answer all along.
I love how no one can comment back to my previous comment. This shows that Pro-lifers do JUDGE! THATS ALL YOU DO! By the way, I'm glad how there are so many "christian" clinics out there to help mothers after their abortions, but as soon as I walked out of the clinic (Which had the nicest people ever inside working!) none of the proestors wanted to come help me and tell me that I could find God again. You all are egotistical judgemental and one day it'll come bite you in the ass.
@funygurl212 also, although i myself am not out on the streets or know the prolife movement in and out, i am aware of various catholic organizations that help men and woman to deal with abortions such as rachel's vineyard. hope it helps
I had a tumor that would come back and more then likely kill me. But what cracks me up is all of the judging that goes on from all religions. and @p4p4b34r1989 you are crazy. I know people aren't perfect. But religion is all about not judging others. That is probably the one thing that I learned while attending a Catholic church! Therefore I do not judge. You do not know everyone's individual story. What about a women that was raped? You're saying that she should suffer through the depression?
@funygurl212 Rape is the cause of 0.1% of pregnancies/abortions. The child is not to blame for the pregnancy; it is the criminal who raped the woman. THe child is innocent.
If we don't kill rapists, why would we kill their innocent children?
Rape does not justify murder. Murder will not make the memory of the rape any less painful and it certainly won't make it go away, if anything it will make it worse since the mother will not only have to live with the memory of rape but the knowledge that she killed her own child. She can simply give it up for adoption, not kill it. As someone else pointed out, abortion because of rape is VERY rare.
I want to know what you pro-lifers would think of this.....please respond...ok i have a tumor that i found out it would be nearly impossible to get pregnant...what would happen if i did get pregnant but it would kill me to have the baby??? You don't look at all sides.
The church is supposed to be about being opened minded and instead all Catholic's do is judge.
I used to be catholic but converted because Catholics are horrible and judgemental people.
@funygurl212 well first of all if you have a tumor then what business do you have engaging in intercourse. secondly, your question is basically the same thing as this - say you are on a sinking ship with your child and only one life jacket, who would you save, yourself or your child? thirdly, i pray for you sincerely and hope you recognize people aren't perfect, but that doesn't mean we can't "judge" between what is right and what is wrong
@p4p4b34r1989 Yes I agree that it sounds that day. But wouldn't it be better to have one life in the world verses none of them? Neither my child or I would have survived
Thank God this vile abortion mill has been closed indefinitely because of their nasty, unsanitary conditions! Pro-lifers, let's pray that the state of Illinois shuts it down for good!
Worst pro-abortion display I've ever seen. Just awful, vile, and disgusting. And scary. Most pro-choicers are just deceived in my opinion, but the people in this video are not deceived, they are Satanic.
Freedom of speech goes both ways . ASSwipes If you don't like it, don't harass people exercing a legal right. btw I can't hate or contempt something that doesn't exist.
Oh wow.....This prooves Satan is real. he just....destroyed this place. Im amazed...just "wow" .....my friend says "SATAN ISNT REAL NEITHER IS GOD!" but....thats just a openning for Satan to walk right in. I hate Satan. I love God. Never doubt God. even in ur roushest times....just pray , believe and ask for God's help. Thats all u have to do.
abortion is a question of rights. take a life that is already here or a group of cells. if all prolif-ers took care of all the children that were burdened by the women that could not get an abortion, then you migt change your minds. what if a 13 year old girl was raped by her father? would you force her to give birth? or would you rather the child be unloved by the system? make every child a wanted one.
The creepiest thing about this place is that it resembles a Catholic School I know of in Ohio. It would be truly sad if this place was formerly a school of some kind.
Why is the question so polarizing? Either choose abortion or choose Jesus?
Could the cause do better if it wasn't quite so... I don't know... so "Jesus or else"? Is the anti-abortion cause 100% Christian or is there room for other beliefs?
@yojimblab I'm a Catholic and very pro-life. There is always room for anyone who is pro-life. Abortion is not about religion or God, it is about human rights. It's just that most religious people recognize this better than most. I don't care if you are left, right, catholic, protestant, Jewish, non-denominational, atheist or a green martian lol! If you are pro-life, you are with us. God bless you.
"We must not be surprised when we hear of murders, of killings, of wars, of hatred. If a mother can kill her own child, what is left but for us to kill each other."
"Abortion kills twice. It kills the body of the baby and it kills the conscience of the mother. Abortion is profoundly anti-women. Three quarters of its victims are women: Half the babies and all the mothers."
.the forces behind the pro-death movement are not merely human but demonic. It is imperative to understand, as Christ reminds us, that the devil was a murderer from the beginning. The evil spirit has remained a murderer all through human history, and he is the real leader behind the philosophy of homicide which now pervades whole nations of what we still call a civilized world.
"Guilty? Yes. No matter what the motive, love of ease, or a desire to save from suffering the unborn innocent, the woman is awfully guilty who commits the deed. It will burden her conscience in life, it will burden her soul in death; But oh, thrice guilty is he who drove her to the desperation which impelled her to the crime!" ~ Susan B. Anthony
just wondering but if god is so anti abortian then why do women have miscarraiges?...thats gods way of telling people to have abortions...by the way i do believe in god i am just slightly controversial over some of the things like god being anti-abortion and anti-rape...read the bible and read it well...it mentions him condoning rape murder and theft about 5 times...
Abortion kills the body of the victim and the soul of the killer, but not the soul of the victim. That soul will live forever in God's love, with that degree of happiness which God's love and mercy bestows. The crime of abortion is nearly always a chain sin. A cluster of persons share the guilt: abortionist, assistants, office staff, hospital management, advertisers and responsible politicians - and those who remained passive when they should have spoken or acted or prayed.
It's interesting that in the United States Christians have started over 1000 FREE help centers for mothers in need.
Those who support the murder of children have not started even one center to help mothers - all they have started is a BILLION dollar abortion business that gets rich off of death and the misery of women.
If it really was murder it would not be allowed in any civilised society would it? Think about it. Abortion always happens no matter what the the law says.
Now Spain has at last allowed more legal choice to a pregnant woman or girl. It has just faced facts.
Love is an answer. Have the love to protect a woman from getting pregnant in the first place when bonding with her partner.
I bet I get no specific response about that either.
"Like an animal caught in a trap, trying to gnaw off its own leg, a woman who seeks abortion is trying to escape a desperate situation by an act of violence and self-loss. Abortion is not a sign that women are free, but a sign that they are desperate." Frederica Mathewes-Green
Exactly ahw, I could not have put it better myself. How would you remedy the situation? By the the continuation of desperation perhaps? By praying? By going full term, and THEN saying good bye? Or by accepting meekly the hand that fate dealt you, though now you cannot abide the two timing creep who talked you into this situation and you hope NEVER to see him again?
The nazis said the gas chamber was humane - it was a painless death for those they decided were not worthy of life.
Just because you decide that it is humane to butcher a baby in the womb does not change the fact that it is murder
Watch an ultra-sound video of an abortion. the baby kicking and screaming as the abortionist rips her arms, legs and head, and hands off - aa child murdered
5:28 pictured her riped limb from limb and you have abortion
So dont answer my questions, just push the propaganda that an embryo or fetus is a child and a person but NOT actually. When every sane person knows it is in development only, and though it may be a joyous moment, it may also cause dismay and horror even, at the thought of being pregnant.
I dont think you people have ever crossed to the other side of the track, and had no alternative, have you? Maybe then you would understand a womans right to choose her destiny path.
What did it matter if the nazis murdered a three year old, a teenager, or an elderly person. The age of the person being murdered doesn't matter.
Every child in the womb 6 weeks, 8 weeks, 12 weeks or beyond is a person created in the image and likness of God, a person who is our sister or brother, a person who is as fully human as you or I.
Does it make it less of a murder if someone kills a teenager than an elderly person - NO
You dont hear a female who does not want to be pregnant say that do you? No. You goose.
So, nothing but pure bullshit and Hollywood drama once again. Lies actually.
Abortion as an humane option is legal in the civilised world, despite your drama classes. Because it is an option most women need at some stage, despite normal precautions or chance.
It is only those backward looking superstition run societies which want to make it illegal again. Most abortions are in the first trimester, 9 out 10.
Btw child murder by abortion practitioners does NOT occur as the fetus is not a child. You cant feed it, you cant nurse it, you cant pick it up and rock it to sleep.
Lie? you just point to one and justify your accusation.
Have you ever looked at a little girl like 5:28 then looked into your heart and asked yourself what kind of person could support and defend her being ripped limb from limb as she is screaming for her life?
Every key you strike on your keyboard promoting the murder of babies in the womb makes you just as responsible for 5:28 her murder as the abortionist who butchers a screaming, kicking little boy or girl in the womb.
5:28 whenever you promote abortion you promote her 5:28 MURDER
Guttmacher is an arm of PLANNED MURDER otherwise known as planned parenthood - they will tell any lie to promote abortion.
5:28 - you have no answer for her murder because their is no answer for the murder of 5:28
To say the abortion rate would be anywhere near what it is now if it was against the law is not only a lie but so stupid It's had to believe you would even say it.
Wow - your lack of any logic explains why you support the murder of 5:28
was it you I sent the information about Romanias Ceausescu and his policies? Yes I did. I'll send you the long version now, be sure to read it otherwise you will be burying your head in the sand. again.
Please dont call me a liar unless you can prove I am out to deceive you somehow, which honestly, I am not.
Tell me the stage of gestation that you believe is the photograph you are obsessed with at 5:28.
Then tell me if you actually read an account of the Guttmacher report..
You clowns, The Guttmacher Ins. has determined that whether abortion is legal or not, the abortion rate world wide is steady at about 29 per 1000 women (US is 20) between 15 and 44 years.
Which is why your shouting and screaming is pointless and of no help to anybody.
Actually in small educated countries where sex education is comprehensive and contraception is freely available, the rate has dropped to 10 per 1000, which is better, and easily outperforms your efforts. Suck on that for a while.
It does openly and unashamedly (I presume and why not) support abortion for those who, despite everything, decide they want it for their pregnancy. What is wrong with a woman determining when she will reproduce herself?
Further what is wrong with wanting to bond sexually with ones best friend or lover while using contraceptives to stop a child being conceived?
Your innuendo of 'openly' suggests you think their motive is ulterior when of course it is humanitarian.
See what I mean? Oblivious to facts. Nine out of ten abortions are within the first trimester. Five out of one hundred are within the next four weeks. Ninety eight out of one hundred are within twenty weeks.
Your photograph is a late stage fetus. There are rare extreme cases in all situations, have some compassion for the woman or girl in the situation.
Extreme and wild comparisons to the past and your emotive lying language marks you as illogical and desperate. Not to be taken seriously.
5:28 You are right about one point She doesn't want to go through an abortion just like an african america did not want to be a slave and a jewish person did not want to die in a nazi death camp -SO WHY THEN DO YOU SAY SHE SHOULD BE MURDERED?
5:28 Every time a child like 5:28 is murdered it becomes the "problem" of every decent person.
Click on 5:28 and try and tell the people who see her she's not a person.
You'll have as much luck if you tried to tell us (as the supreme court did) that african americans are not persons and (as the german government passed a law) that Jews are not human
I see my instinct was right, you are fanatics, one eyed fascists. Oblivious to reason or facts which slap as cold reason in your hot flushed faces.
You know there are none so dangerous as fanatics, in all walks of life. Nobody wants to go through abortion but it is a last resort when all else fails, and until we get infallible contraception it is the only thing left.
You insult peoples intelligence, with your strung out concern for other peoples pregnancies. Its their problem, not yours.
It's not about the choice of a fetus, it's about the life of the woman. She is more important than a fetus. Women rule their bodies.
You're still full of emotional rhetoric and false comparisons, spouting false accusations of murder and inciting violence between adults by your actions.
There is another real world of real women and their problems, you seem not to give a shit about them frankly, in comparison to that of an embryo or fetus. 9 out of 10 in the first trimester.
The nazi's denial of life and destruction of "life unworthy of life" is the closest comparison we have to the destruction of human life by abortion.
Yes, they wouldn't let Aryians have abortions - but the forced abortions on others - why? - because abortion destroys human life - and they wanted the lives of those they hated destroyed
In america we also destroy lives we don't like - it's called abortion
In the consentration camps the nazis where simply praticing their right to "choose"
Well of course that is pure rubbish. Under the Nazis no one had a choice unless they escaped. That is fascism, our way or no way. Including their own people. I am right, you are closer to the Nazi way of doing things than anything. No choice. American fascist - in the 'land of free choice'
Now, any practical ideas to prevent pregnancy when not required? 100% of course.
Obviously you dont believe that nine out of ten abortions are within the first trimester.
Now if we can only address the reasons that brought them to that decision in the first place we could fix the problem, right?
I am a man but I know it is not easy being a woman, which is why I want all the options for them.
What is it with you and Nazi's. They have nothing to do with this subject. Except that they forbade any arayan girl to have an abortion, in which case you are closer to Nazism than anything else.
Another thing, here are recent UK figures giving abortion rates at 89% that is 9 out of 10 within the first trimester.
98.5% that is 98 out of 100, are within 20 weeks. That means 1.5% are obviously extreme cases of need.
Thousands are from Ireland, despite your stupid controlling superstitions, women and girls in need leave their country to regain control of their own bodies in a humane and compassionate way then return. Its a continuous traffic. A continuous need. You people are dopes.
Its the same in that other bastion of your church, Poland, there is no safe, legal choice there either, making those women desperate too. They just go elsewhere. You ignorant backward dopes. When are you actually going to look after your women. You are a classic case of a church working against the interests of its congregation. Its all about the selfish clergy and not about the genuine need of women. Your church actually disgusts me because of its lack of compassion, ...thats probably mutual!
Obviously you and thousands of others have been sucked in by this emotional story. The story gives the fetus a persona where none exists. The limbs respond to stimulus but there is no consciousness at that stage. Knowledgeable people know that, and you should too, but you refuse to acknowledge this and other facts. I wish the young chap well, he has loving support and care. That is not the issue.
My previous points are the issue, those and your apparent blindness to others reason and need.
insanity, even animals have an instinct to protect its young----------it's about time women stop using abortion as birth-control and take responsibility for not getting pregnant to start with, or are they not bright enough for that? that would be the sane thing to do!
Every abortion is the murder of a person who is as fully human as you and I, yes they are young and small and in their mothers womb but so we you and I one day.
Just watch a video of an abortion, the child kicking and screaming, fighting for her life.
Then the head, arms, legs, hands, feet, torso are pulled out of the mother.
Abortion is murder - we all know that - but some will accept murder because they have power over the helpless
You are full of emotive rubbish. Your video is a speeded up normal ultrasound of an active fetus not being aborted. There is no timeline, plain propaganda. We know the facts of fetal growth and when possible consciousness occurs and the procedure is humane.
Maybe a little time spent with the desperate products of malfunctioning families in jail would enlighten you a bit, who knows?
You are so immature, and yet strangely you still think you are right despite all the evidence to the contrary.
Failed, that is why we have the laws as they are. Changing the law has no effect on the abortion rates, do you understand that? You cannot rally in church and escape facts.
The present way causes less suffering all round. For the same number of abortions no women are lost or injured compared to those maimed injured and lost when it is made illegal. Do you care about that? If you do care about that why are you waving your placards like ignoramuses?
No, go back one step. Why are children mistreated? Are you asking women to be surrogate mothers?
'..destroys all of humanity.'
What desperate dogma is this?
You have emotion only and try and reinforce it with more wild emotive lies and false language. You incite murder with your wild immature accusations. That is irresponsible. A responsible female chooses her family, and a responsible male.
That is good for humanity because at the least, those children are wanted and loved.
There are 100,000 grown children in US foster care already, only half available for adoption, and are there as a result of neglect, abuse and abandonment. One would have to ask why one would mistreat a child but there you are. Maybe you can think of reasons. I can think of one.
Sanity, I am done arguing with you as I have 3 blessed babies who are more deserving of my time. Some day you will see the truth. Until then, I will pray for you.
Thats fine, real babies, young-uns, need all the attention they can get, apart from superstition.
This already is 'some day' for me, I can already see the truth.
Whatever you do, please think how you could possibly prevent unwanted babies from being conceived, or born, given the preceding factual comments on both sides, rather than spending 'brain time in prayer' for any sad unbeliever like me.
Because I know prayer helps nobody but the person who is praying.
There is NO reason that a baby must be aborted in the 3rd trimester to save the life of the mother as the baby could be delivered at that point. That simple fact is just easier to ignore. The truth is that you are still making a ridiculous argument that most pro-abortion people don't even bother making anymore...You say it is not a baby until it's born when a 2 year old can see that it is.
If instead of ripping apart the baby in the womb the abortionist pulled them out in tack then placed the baby in a tiny gas chamber (it would be less painful for the baby) would that bother you at all?
Sanity - you say you have a "balanced" view of humanity. What kind of balance is it that is willing to murder millions of children simply because they are in their mothers wombs.
Each of them is a person at an early stage of development.
I was going to ask you girls - if you were able to know - would you implore local people of the muslim faith not to have an abortion, or would you live in India or Bangladesh and picket the the same way.
However as you keep repudiating facts, portraying all abortions as late term and regurgitating the same lies of murder over and over I have concluded that your opinions, while valid in one sense, are not worth listening to for the overall picture.
Yes, progenitor, look it up. You dont understand, but I understand very well your religious propaganda. You seem to have a thing about Nazi's.
I dont think 'ownage' comes into personal relationships at all, nobody owns their children. We agree.
A fetus is part of the woman like any other growth, it is definitely not a person, nor a baby. That is when it's born. So no murder, you people incite murder when you accuse others wrongly of it.
I am a man, I support women, I have a balanced view of humanity, that means I dont support emotional cripples like you who are only able to relate to humans if they are babies, fetuses or embryos, and those who cannot empathise with anyone older than ten. I want to give women the option of correcting a life mistake, yes a mistake, all unwanted pregnancies are obviously mistakes, because that is fair and I would want that option too.
Women know when their pregnancy is wrong, as I would. No body needs bleeding heart nosey parkers like you trying to force them to change their minds when a decision has been made. You are not them. I trust women to make the right decision for themselves and their families. It is they who live with the consequences, they who nurture the children. It is all natural.
It is natural for women and girls to have negative feelings of rejection of their pregnancies if conditions are not right for them. It is just as it is natural to want them when times are right. Leave it to them.
Men dont have the right to force a female to have their baby. Who or what gives anyone the right to force a woman or girl to have any other mans baby?
Quote: The female is the the progenitor, manufacturer, the supplier,
No wonder you will accept the murder of millions of children in you view haman being as manufactured products.
Just one of the problems with they way you view humanity (as manufactured things) is it always leads to the slaughter, the mass murder, of the poor, weak, and innocent.
Sanity - reading what you have to say about human life reminds me of what the nazis had to say.
One group who has power is in total control of another group of humans who are powerless.......and the the group in power can slaughter them at will.
No person can be owned by another person. A mother does not own the baby in her womb - if she thinks she does and butchers the baby that doesn't mean she owned the child that just means she murdered her own daughter or son.
The female is the the progenitor, manufacturer, the supplier, if there is no contract to produce she is under no obligation to society or anyone to produce a baby.
If there was an understanding and agreement at sex to have babies then obviously that is a matter between them, but as sex serves more than one purpose, its purpose at the outset must be agreed.
Males have to convince a female that they are worth the time and trouble for the female to give birth AND that the male will support them in that, barring nothing. If a female is not convinced of that she has every right to refuse to birth.
Sanity, you state that you would prefer to have a mother who wanted you. I'm certain that we all agree that would be ideal but I know plenty of people whose mothers did not want them, or even suffered abuse who are happy to have been given life and are making a great difference in the world. Some public figures are Oprah and Obama. Who are you to decide that a child should die because it is what you think you would prefer?
Who am I to give life or death to a fetus? Its host of course has that right. I support that right. Only the host knows whether a pregnancy is right for her, only the pregnant woman or girl.
Well, sanity you can quote the women who founded the feminist movement and what they thought of the evil of murdering children in the womb.
Guilty? Yes. No matter what the motive, love of ease, or a desire to save from
suffering the unborn innocent, the woman is awfully guilty who commits the deed. It will burden her conscience in life, it will burden her soul in death; But oh, thrice guilty is he who drove her to the desperation which impelled her to the crime! -Susan B. Anthony
Yes well that was a while ago now was'nt it, people and times move on, it matters what people say if it is relevant now. e.g. how can it be exploitation when its a choice.
BTW Fewer than 2% of abortions are provided at 21 weeks or after, and they are extremely rare after 26 weeks of pregnancy. Very few abortions are provided in the third trimester, .... ... limited to cases of severe fetal abnormalities or situations when the life or health of the pregnant woman is seriously threatened.
When we consider that women are treated as property, it is degrading to women that we should treat our children as property to be disposed of as we see fit. -Elizabeth Cady Stanton
The rights of children as individuals begin while yet they remain the foetus. -Victoria Woodhull
Abortion is the ultimate exploitation of women. Alice Paul, original author of the ERA
Sanity, Once again you have proven your disinterest in knowing the real facts. You state only 6% of women regret their abortions. I found a pro-CHOICE website that says that 25% of women regret their abortion in the first 2 years. That number goes up as time passes, many women not regretting their abortion until after they meet their own children or have some other "trigger". PASS (Post Abortive Stress Syndrome) help is being sought and offered in unprecedented numbers.
'Despite a concerted effort to convince the public of the existence of a widespread and severe postabortion trauma, there is no scientific evidence for the existence of such trauma, even though abortion occurs in the highly stressful context of an unwanted pregnancy.'
Looks like I was right about you people making post abortion stress worse too, but that is further down the page.
Sanity, George Tiller killed babies in their last days in the womb for no reason. These babies were torn limb from limb or pulled out of their mothers body until only the skull remained inside and a sharp object was pushed into the back side of their skull and then their dead body was pulled out of their mother. The abortion is performed in this disgusting manner (without anesthesia) because a few moments later it would be considered murder. If you can defend this you are a beast.
If there was no reason why were the female Nazis there?
Of course there was a reason, and probably not the reason entered either, who is going to put the real reason if they can get by with a pat answer, I probably would not, I know that.
I am sorry but the brain itself has no feeling and removal of this would be the most humane. Partial consciousness may appear between 26 and 30 weeks with the fetus in its own natural coma drugs until natural birth.
Watch a video of an abortion and you clearly see a murder.
Look at pictures of a person in the womb and you will beyond any doubt see a child.
When you support abortion you support the murder of a person. Just as the nazis supported the murder of Jews and called them "life unworth of life" abortion supporters support the murder of children and call them "choice"
I can unhappily go and tell my female loved ones and their female friends and acquaintances and female neighbours that I no longer trust them as one third to two thirds of them at some stage will turn out to be a Nazi.
Thats just great. Looks like your propaganda is working, I am starting to hate women already, those miserable jackbooted lowlife females, lets get rid of them! Men unite against the female Nazi threat, we'll show them!
Sanity, as sidewalk counselors we do talk to these women and yes, many of them are coerced. They are told by husbands, boyfriends or parents that they are not ready to be parents or that they must have the abortion. Women are victimized repeatedly by abusers who use abortion to cover their crimes. Girls are lied to by people like you who say it is not a baby, only to see a picture years later that clearly shows an unborn child in the womb.
Those who are coercing have to take responsibility for their actions. It is fair to give a woman or girl all relevant information, that which is relevant to her in a few years time as well as immediately. So she can make a decision which suits her not others.
To try and change her mind at the last minute on a sidewalk, from people who have no relationship with her in my view is despicable.
Frankly I think you should be charged with harassment.
Abuse victims are held in mental chains by their abusers. Victims need their problem fixed immediately and their situation fixed afterwards. That is how it goes. If it is known that an abuser will get caught, they will try other illegal remedies or worse to suit themselves not the victim. The victim is the prime consideration in these cases. Why dont you get some proper knowledge on this aspect instead of the bigoted accusations.
Sanity, You wrote that ""Dr Tiller ran a unit which specialised in late term abortions for whatever reason, and were from a greater area, possibly medically diagnosed faulty fetuses. This is evidence that you only do homework that supports your conclusion. Unfortunately, Dr. Tiller was murdered, and the truth about his horrendous practice will never be revealed publicly the way it would have had he been forced to go to court.
It is a fact that Dr Tillers clinic received patients from all over the States and from overseas. Obviously he was good at caring for women in those late stages. You obviously think that
he should not have done what women wanted or medical advice dictated in some cases, I do.
I would rather I had a mother who wanted me, than not.
Sanity, although the greatest number of women will feel regret and remorse about their abortion, some will not. Just as I'm certain there are some Nazi guards who slept fine at night. It doesn't mean that what they did was okay.
No, 6% of women feel regret, the overwhelming number feel a great sense of relief, approaching 90%, which is of course why women choose abortion anyway, they dont want to be pregnant. You seem to be in denial of that fact.
Is that right mate? Have you lost your glasses again eh? This is about abortion and that means its about a baby that has already been concived, not about what happens or doent happen before. don't you ever get out of your flat?
Every three days, more African-Americans are killed by abortion than have been killed by the Ku Klux Klan in its entire history.
Planned Parenthood operates the nation's largest chain of abortion clinics and almost 80 percent of its facilities are located in minority neighborhoods.
About 13 percent of American women are black, but they submit to over 35 percent of the abortions.
What the Ku Klux Klan and slave owners Could Only Dream About The Abortion Industry is Accomplishing
Hey if it isn't SaniPadMan! So this is where youve been hiding out eh? Chucking around more abuse at prolifers as per your usual self. Get out of your flat mate before you turn into a fossil!! Ha ha! Did ya get kicked out of Pavones videos eh? Not surprised mate with all your bulldust. Hey mate, theprolifeguy's got it right, SAVE THE BABIES! You might want to take notice of that.
Yeah, Likening abortion to slavery is relevant, you dumbo.
A person is born and murder applies to a person only. Stop spreading lies.
Why dont you wave photographs of road accident victims? Make road accidents illegal - oh wait they ARE. Why do they keep happening then?
Is shouting abuse and shame going to make a difference - no. It makes you selfish people feel better but every one else feel worse - as if that is needed.
He or she is a person created in the image and likenss of God, a person with an immortal soul, a person who is living, a person who is our sister or brother, a person who is a member of the human family as fully as you or I.
Some people have claimed Jews, blacks, the handicapped, the young, the elderly, the sick, the poor, etc are not fully human and it's OK to kill them.
It's the same with abortion supporters - they are killing the innocent.
Please, If you you believe all that, with others, thats fine. Every one is fully human but not every one believes the same as you and there is no proof of anything supernatural. So its a belief is all, not fact.
You dont need an abortion but please stop whingeing about those who do because it is not your business. You are only making things worse for those in trouble anyway. Support the woman or girl in need with positive stuff, that will make a difference and let her get over her mistake.
This weekend I had the privilege of listening to men and women give their abortion testimonies at a Silent No More awareness event. It was heartbreaking. Two of the women who spoke were teens when they aborted and did not even believe in God, even they were guilt ridden by what they had done. One man, whose wife aborted his child against his will over 30 years ago, gave his testimony and knelt on the ground and cried afterwards. You tell those people that their child was not a human being.
There is no doubt that reproduction or its interruption can be a very emotive subject. One always wonders what could have been, but one does what one thinks is best at the time. Who is going to blame you for that? Ones life moves on, for better or worse, who knows, it does not matter, it is the past, it was a potential that is all, could have been bad or good, we dont know. On balance our life progressed out of that uncertain time to promise at least with another go and wanted progeny.
Sanity, The abortion industry is corrupt and there are many who were formally on the inside that will tell you so. There is no viable medical reason for a partial birth abortion and few in the last trimester at all. The late Dr. Tiller was aborting late term babies for reasons that included "stress due to pregnancy". I can assure you that the real stress began after they emptied their womb and lay in their bed at night alone and grieving.
You are not going to tell me that everyone who aborts is permanently stressed out with regret. Dr Tiller ran a unit which specialised in late term abortions for whatever reason, and were from a greater area, possibly medically diagnosed faulty fetuses.
But hardly any patient is going to reveal the real reason they are there if a pat answer will suffice to enable the operation. Further, is any one not going to wonder and grieve at the procedure just gone through, especially late term?
I am so happy to hear that this abortuary has been closed by the power of Christ. Thanks to the family of Christ followers that have prayed to Jesus our Lord and Savior for this closer.
FIREMANHENDOU 1 week ago
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Evilzer 3 weeks ago
i hate abortion soooooooooooooooooooooooooo much..................this is worse than any war yet most people dont even realize..............God bless yall for being pro life and doing what is right!
michaelschwing 1 month ago
Good news! Finally close! Halleluia!
fintyrock 1 month ago
I am catholic and pro choice! Everyone that is pro choice is good!
funygurl212 1 month ago
@funygurl212 nooo if ur pro choice ur not catholic...................the are opposites just like you cant be a girl and a boy at the same time!!!!!! BE PROLIFE!!!!! GOD BLESS
michaelschwing 1 month ago
@michaelschwing well that is funny that I was baptized Catholic and practice the catholic faith. My father is even more devoted then I am in following the Catholic church yet still supports pro-choice...hmmm seems like I am Catholic
funygurl212 1 month ago
@funygurl212 6th commandment: You shall not murder.......abortion is murder! if u dont care about obeying God and the Catholic church then you obviously dont believe in God----------atheist
michaelschwing 1 month ago
@michaelschwing See whats funny is that your judging me based on something happened...please answer me this...If God wanted me to have a baby (which according to faith he had the power to make me pregnant according to you), then why would I be told that both myself plus my unborn child would have died. Do you want 1 life or none?
funygurl212 1 month ago
@funygurl212 sorry i aint judging just saying murder is wrong......most girls dont have abortions because they are in a life death situation..also Tim Tebow's mom was told to abort Tim because of medical reasons for her but she trusted in God and chose to keep him and God helped her and she was fine
michaelschwing 1 month ago
@michaelschwing Ok well understand that every single situation is different. Mine is because of a tumor that could grow and expand into my brain and kill me before I even reach the third trimester. So weighing the risks and rewards...the risks won it. I want a baby more then anything, but how am I supposed to enjoy a baby if I die and don't get to watch it grow.
funygurl212 1 month ago
Well I am in fact HAPPY that the clinic will reopen for those who want a CHOICE! You all are insane people and so judgmental. Have fun in hell. All of you judgmental people are going against the faith of welcoming people with open arms. Are all of you against gay people too!?!?!?!
funygurl212 1 month ago
@funygurl212 Of course homosexuality,christanity,politics and abortion are all part of the same sickness.
TRUMPHMAN 1 month ago
@TRUMPHMAN It's very sad that the catholic and even more then that just religion in general has such a problem with homosexuality and protecting a woman's right. Now here is my questions to the women out there?? Do we want to go back to having ZERO rights??? Our ancestors had to fight for them! You want to just give them back???
funygurl212 1 month ago
@funygurl212 Not a catholic I find the the most vile of all, pedophiles claiming to be men of "god" christanity and politics are the covert side of homosexuality can any one say Senator Craig. You all will burn in the same hell, baby murderers, homosexuals, false leaders who rant against homosexuality and abortion but practice both in secret. Burn you overt and covert perverts.
TRUMPHMAN 1 month ago
True evil. Abortion is cowardly, violent murder.
AtTheCornerCafe 2 months ago
It makes me cry to think that god is a proven fact at the beginning of the argument, and then move on to subject matters as if god whispered in their ear the right answer all along.
11DPanda 2 months ago
it makes me cry to think of all the dead babies
wearescrewed08 3 months ago
I love how no one can comment back to my previous comment. This shows that Pro-lifers do JUDGE! THATS ALL YOU DO! By the way, I'm glad how there are so many "christian" clinics out there to help mothers after their abortions, but as soon as I walked out of the clinic (Which had the nicest people ever inside working!) none of the proestors wanted to come help me and tell me that I could find God again. You all are egotistical judgemental and one day it'll come bite you in the ass.
funygurl212 4 months ago
@funygurl212 also, although i myself am not out on the streets or know the prolife movement in and out, i am aware of various catholic organizations that help men and woman to deal with abortions such as rachel's vineyard. hope it helps
p4p4b34r1989 3 months ago
I had a tumor that would come back and more then likely kill me. But what cracks me up is all of the judging that goes on from all religions. and @p4p4b34r1989 you are crazy. I know people aren't perfect. But religion is all about not judging others. That is probably the one thing that I learned while attending a Catholic church! Therefore I do not judge. You do not know everyone's individual story. What about a women that was raped? You're saying that she should suffer through the depression?
funygurl212 3 months ago
@funygurl212 Rape is the cause of 0.1% of pregnancies/abortions. The child is not to blame for the pregnancy; it is the criminal who raped the woman. THe child is innocent.
EmilyBearfan 1 month ago
@funygurl212
If we don't kill rapists, why would we kill their innocent children?
Rape does not justify murder. Murder will not make the memory of the rape any less painful and it certainly won't make it go away, if anything it will make it worse since the mother will not only have to live with the memory of rape but the knowledge that she killed her own child. She can simply give it up for adoption, not kill it. As someone else pointed out, abortion because of rape is VERY rare.
AmeliaJane74 1 month ago
I want to know what you pro-lifers would think of this.....please respond...ok i have a tumor that i found out it would be nearly impossible to get pregnant...what would happen if i did get pregnant but it would kill me to have the baby??? You don't look at all sides.
The church is supposed to be about being opened minded and instead all Catholic's do is judge.
I used to be catholic but converted because Catholics are horrible and judgemental people.
funygurl212 4 months ago
@funygurl212 well first of all if you have a tumor then what business do you have engaging in intercourse. secondly, your question is basically the same thing as this - say you are on a sinking ship with your child and only one life jacket, who would you save, yourself or your child? thirdly, i pray for you sincerely and hope you recognize people aren't perfect, but that doesn't mean we can't "judge" between what is right and what is wrong
p4p4b34r1989 3 months ago
@p4p4b34r1989 actually revise that hypothetical. to have an abortion would be more akin to actually killing your child in order to save yourself.
p4p4b34r1989 3 months ago
@p4p4b34r1989 Yes I agree that it sounds that day. But wouldn't it be better to have one life in the world verses none of them? Neither my child or I would have survived
funygurl212 3 months ago
Thank God this vile abortion mill has been closed indefinitely because of their nasty, unsanitary conditions! Pro-lifers, let's pray that the state of Illinois shuts it down for good!
n4kma 4 months ago 2
so I can't be catholic and pro-choice?
hgodard99 8 months ago
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@hgodard99 NO You cannot.
xblackstock 2 months ago
Worst pro-abortion display I've ever seen. Just awful, vile, and disgusting. And scary. Most pro-choicers are just deceived in my opinion, but the people in this video are not deceived, they are Satanic.
haydedan 9 months ago 2
Shameful, absolutely disgusting. Unprofessional and evil.
chlojulina 9 months ago
Freedom of speech goes both ways . ASSwipes If you don't like it, don't harass people exercing a legal right. btw I can't hate or contempt something that doesn't exist.
BADCAT303 10 months ago
Abortion Mill - oh you mean 'clinic'.
kingofprussia33 1 year ago
@kingofprussia33 No... I think they meant baby death camp.
96wensab 5 months ago
Hahahahahahahaha @ religion.
Primordialfan1 1 year ago
Oh wow.....This prooves Satan is real. he just....destroyed this place. Im amazed...just "wow" .....my friend says "SATAN ISNT REAL NEITHER IS GOD!" but....thats just a openning for Satan to walk right in. I hate Satan. I love God. Never doubt God. even in ur roushest times....just pray , believe and ask for God's help. Thats all u have to do.
Thepikachoo34 1 year ago 2
abortion is a question of rights. take a life that is already here or a group of cells. if all prolif-ers took care of all the children that were burdened by the women that could not get an abortion, then you migt change your minds. what if a 13 year old girl was raped by her father? would you force her to give birth? or would you rather the child be unloved by the system? make every child a wanted one.
4278snowpeas 1 year ago
The creepiest thing about this place is that it resembles a Catholic School I know of in Ohio. It would be truly sad if this place was formerly a school of some kind.
aazsi 1 year ago
@aazsi It was a school.....
shutdownlasemedinc 1 year ago
Thank you for posting this video so the world can see how truly evil and depraved these abortion providers really are.
DonnaSkipper 1 year ago 2
This abortion mill is a joke. A deadly demonic joke.
How sick and sad people murder their children in a place like this.
abortionhurtswomen1 1 year ago
Choose murder of choose life.
charityforall1 1 year ago
Why is the question so polarizing? Either choose abortion or choose Jesus?
Could the cause do better if it wasn't quite so... I don't know... so "Jesus or else"? Is the anti-abortion cause 100% Christian or is there room for other beliefs?
yojimblab 2 years ago
@yojimblab I'm a Catholic and very pro-life. There is always room for anyone who is pro-life. Abortion is not about religion or God, it is about human rights. It's just that most religious people recognize this better than most. I don't care if you are left, right, catholic, protestant, Jewish, non-denominational, atheist or a green martian lol! If you are pro-life, you are with us. God bless you.
kevinrobbins85 1 year ago 16
@yojimblab good point, i know of many non-christians who are pro-life.
BJ219 1 year ago
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rrrrsssssssa2 1 year ago
"We must not be surprised when we hear of murders, of killings, of wars, of hatred. If a mother can kill her own child, what is left but for us to kill each other."
"Abortion kills twice. It kills the body of the baby and it kills the conscience of the mother. Abortion is profoundly anti-women. Three quarters of its victims are women: Half the babies and all the mothers."
Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutt
abortionhurtswomen1 2 years ago 8
If the gas chambers were murder they never would have happned - 6 million jews later your theory is destroyed.
5:28 watch her being ripped limb from limb
5:28 see her blood spill on the floor.
5:28 look at her face - really look at her face - then picture an abortionist slicing her face in two 5:28
5:28 abortion is murder - to butcher a beautiful child like her is murder
BTW Natural Family Planning is 99% effective - it's safe, it works.
And you don't have to murder a child
vivacristorey2009 2 years ago 2
.the forces behind the pro-death movement are not merely human but demonic. It is imperative to understand, as Christ reminds us, that the devil was a murderer from the beginning. The evil spirit has remained a murderer all through human history, and he is the real leader behind the philosophy of homicide which now pervades whole nations of what we still call a civilized world.
abortionhurtswomen1 2 years ago 3
"Guilty? Yes. No matter what the motive, love of ease, or a desire to save from suffering the unborn innocent, the woman is awfully guilty who commits the deed. It will burden her conscience in life, it will burden her soul in death; But oh, thrice guilty is he who drove her to the desperation which impelled her to the crime!" ~ Susan B. Anthony
abortionhurtswomen1 2 years ago 2
Saying a miscarriage is like an abortion is like saying someone who dies of cance is the the same as someone who died in the nazi gas chamber.
If your not bright enough to distinguish between a natural death and direct, planned, willed murder then I'm sorry for you.
abortionhurtswomen1 2 years ago
just wondering but if god is so anti abortian then why do women have miscarraiges?...thats gods way of telling people to have abortions...by the way i do believe in god i am just slightly controversial over some of the things like god being anti-abortion and anti-rape...read the bible and read it well...it mentions him condoning rape murder and theft about 5 times...
DeathToTheBunny 2 years ago
Abortion kills the body of the victim and the soul of the killer, but not the soul of the victim. That soul will live forever in God's love, with that degree of happiness which God's love and mercy bestows. The crime of abortion is nearly always a chain sin. A cluster of persons share the guilt: abortionist, assistants, office staff, hospital management, advertisers and responsible politicians - and those who remained passive when they should have spoken or acted or prayed.
abortionhurtswomen1 2 years ago 2
It's interesting that in the United States Christians have started over 1000 FREE help centers for mothers in need.
Those who support the murder of children have not started even one center to help mothers - all they have started is a BILLION dollar abortion business that gets rich off of death and the misery of women.
abortionhurtswomen1 2 years ago
By standing up, loveing mothers and children and not using murder as an answer to a difficult situation.
Turn the situation into something good - not into a murdered HUMAN BEING
As you admited in your response to me a child in the womb is a HUMAN BEING
Murdering a human benig never makes things better - it just leaves the world with a dead child and a mother who killed her.
Love is the answer - love the HUMAN BEING that is all ready living.
abortionhurtswomen1 2 years ago
Viva aka ahw
Like talking to a dumb robot this is.
If it really was murder it would not be allowed in any civilised society would it? Think about it. Abortion always happens no matter what the the law says.
Now Spain has at last allowed more legal choice to a pregnant woman or girl. It has just faced facts.
Love is an answer. Have the love to protect a woman from getting pregnant in the first place when bonding with her partner.
I bet I get no specific response about that either.
sanity1001 2 years ago
"Like an animal caught in a trap, trying to gnaw off its own leg, a woman who seeks abortion is trying to escape a desperate situation by an act of violence and self-loss. Abortion is not a sign that women are free, but a sign that they are desperate." Frederica Mathewes-Green
abortionhurtswomen1 2 years ago
Exactly ahw, I could not have put it better myself. How would you remedy the situation? By the the continuation of desperation perhaps? By praying? By going full term, and THEN saying good bye? Or by accepting meekly the hand that fate dealt you, though now you cannot abide the two timing creep who talked you into this situation and you hope NEVER to see him again?
Just a little possible reality check.
sanity1001 2 years ago
Quote: Abortion as an humane option
The nazis said the gas chamber was humane - it was a painless death for those they decided were not worthy of life.
Just because you decide that it is humane to butcher a baby in the womb does not change the fact that it is murder
Watch an ultra-sound video of an abortion. the baby kicking and screaming as the abortionist rips her arms, legs and head, and hands off - aa child murdered
5:28 pictured her riped limb from limb and you have abortion
vivacristorey2009 2 years ago
Viva,
So dont answer my questions, just push the propaganda that an embryo or fetus is a child and a person but NOT actually. When every sane person knows it is in development only, and though it may be a joyous moment, it may also cause dismay and horror even, at the thought of being pregnant.
I dont think you people have ever crossed to the other side of the track, and had no alternative, have you? Maybe then you would understand a womans right to choose her destiny path.
sanity1001 2 years ago
When is the last time you heard a mother say "oh, my fetus just kicked" or "the non-person just moved in my womb"
Of course we know a mothes says "my baby just moved" or "my baby just kicked"
vivacristorey2009 2 years ago
What did it matter if the nazis murdered a three year old, a teenager, or an elderly person. The age of the person being murdered doesn't matter.
Every child in the womb 6 weeks, 8 weeks, 12 weeks or beyond is a person created in the image and likness of God, a person who is our sister or brother, a person who is as fully human as you or I.
Does it make it less of a murder if someone kills a teenager than an elderly person - NO
Every child in the womb is a person
vivacristorey2009 2 years ago
When is the last time you heard a mother say "oh, my fetus just kicked" or "the non-person just moved in my womb"
Of course we know a mothes says "my baby just moved" or "my baby just kicked"
Have you ever asked a mother after she had seen an ultra-sound if the baby in her womb is "a boy or a girl?"
We all know the child in the womb is a person 5:28
We all know abortion is the murder of a 5:28
If you have eyes, a mind, a soul, or a heart then see 5:28 she is a person
abortionhurtswomen1 2 years ago
You dont hear a female who does not want to be pregnant say that do you? No. You goose.
So, nothing but pure bullshit and Hollywood drama once again. Lies actually.
Abortion as an humane option is legal in the civilised world, despite your drama classes. Because it is an option most women need at some stage, despite normal precautions or chance.
It is only those backward looking superstition run societies which want to make it illegal again. Most abortions are in the first trimester, 9 out 10.
sanity1001 2 years ago
Will somebody tell me the gestational age of the fetus in the picture at 5:28?
No fibbing now, Jesus is watching you!
sanity1001 2 years ago
God will demand an accounting from people and from societies who fail to welcome the poor, the weak and the unborn 5:28
Each of these people is an icon of Gods face and a vessel of his love, 5:28
vivacristorey2009 2 years ago
WOW - if you would bother to check your information you would learn that the abortion rate where child murder is against the law is next to nothing.
Sad you would lie just to murder 5:28
vivacristorey2009 2 years ago
Please supply your source,
Not Poland by any chance, Ireland? ha ha
Btw child murder by abortion practitioners does NOT occur as the fetus is not a child. You cant feed it, you cant nurse it, you cant pick it up and rock it to sleep.
Lie? you just point to one and justify your accusation.
sanity1001 2 years ago
Have you ever looked at a little girl like 5:28 then looked into your heart and asked yourself what kind of person could support and defend her being ripped limb from limb as she is screaming for her life?
Every key you strike on your keyboard promoting the murder of babies in the womb makes you just as responsible for 5:28 her murder as the abortionist who butchers a screaming, kicking little boy or girl in the womb.
5:28 whenever you promote abortion you promote her 5:28 MURDER
vivacristorey2009 2 years ago
Guttmacher is an arm of PLANNED MURDER otherwise known as planned parenthood - they will tell any lie to promote abortion.
5:28 - you have no answer for her murder because their is no answer for the murder of 5:28
To say the abortion rate would be anywhere near what it is now if it was against the law is not only a lie but so stupid It's had to believe you would even say it.
Wow - your lack of any logic explains why you support the murder of 5:28
vivacristorey2009 2 years ago
OK then,
was it you I sent the information about Romanias Ceausescu and his policies? Yes I did. I'll send you the long version now, be sure to read it otherwise you will be burying your head in the sand. again.
Please dont call me a liar unless you can prove I am out to deceive you somehow, which honestly, I am not.
Tell me the stage of gestation that you believe is the photograph you are obsessed with at 5:28.
Then tell me if you actually read an account of the Guttmacher report..
sanity1001 2 years ago
The Guttmacher Institute has estimated that the world has MURDERED ONE BILLION 5:28 BABIES SINCE 1970.
That means 100 MILLION 5:28
100 MILLION MURDERED 5:28
Rare????
100 MILLION 5:28 butchered babies.
Every child in the womb murdered by abortion is a crime against God and humanity
But 100 MILLION 5:28 murdered, screaming, crying, children murdered by the culture of death is a crime that cries out to God
5:28 check your facts and reality
abortion is murder 5:28
vivacristorey2009 2 years ago
You clowns, The Guttmacher Ins. has determined that whether abortion is legal or not, the abortion rate world wide is steady at about 29 per 1000 women (US is 20) between 15 and 44 years.
Which is why your shouting and screaming is pointless and of no help to anybody.
Actually in small educated countries where sex education is comprehensive and contraception is freely available, the rate has dropped to 10 per 1000, which is better, and easily outperforms your efforts. Suck on that for a while.
sanity1001 2 years ago
sanity "The Guttmacher Ins has determined whether abortion us legal or not.."
The Alan Guttmacher Institute is the research arm of Planned Parenthood and openly supports abortion and widespread access to contraceptives.
derbulIdog 2 years ago
Yes Prolife representative,
It does openly and unashamedly (I presume and why not) support abortion for those who, despite everything, decide they want it for their pregnancy. What is wrong with a woman determining when she will reproduce herself?
Further what is wrong with wanting to bond sexually with ones best friend or lover while using contraceptives to stop a child being conceived?
Your innuendo of 'openly' suggests you think their motive is ulterior when of course it is humanitarian.
sanity1001 2 years ago
Well said 5:28 tells us everything any sane person would need to know to realize abortion is the murder of a person!
vivacristorey2009 2 years ago
5:28 Yes, this little girl is a fanatic because she doesn't want to be butchered.
5:28 she is only "one eyed" when the abortionist rippes apart her beautiful body
5:28 Facist? she's a facist? simply because she is a person to be loved and not a "choice" to be murdered.
abortionhurtswomen1 2 years ago
See what I mean? Oblivious to facts. Nine out of ten abortions are within the first trimester. Five out of one hundred are within the next four weeks. Ninety eight out of one hundred are within twenty weeks.
Your photograph is a late stage fetus. There are rare extreme cases in all situations, have some compassion for the woman or girl in the situation.
Extreme and wild comparisons to the past and your emotive lying language marks you as illogical and desperate. Not to be taken seriously.
sanity1001 2 years ago
5:28 You are right about one point She doesn't want to go through an abortion just like an african america did not want to be a slave and a jewish person did not want to die in a nazi death camp -SO WHY THEN DO YOU SAY SHE SHOULD BE MURDERED?
5:28 Every time a child like 5:28 is murdered it becomes the "problem" of every decent person.
abortionhurtswomen1 2 years ago
Click on 5:28 and try and tell the people who see her she's not a person.
You'll have as much luck if you tried to tell us (as the supreme court did) that african americans are not persons and (as the german government passed a law) that Jews are not human
5:28
open your eyes, open your heart, open your mind, open your soul, have a little bit of love, compassion, reason, or humanity.
5:28
vivacristorey2009 2 years ago
I see my instinct was right, you are fanatics, one eyed fascists. Oblivious to reason or facts which slap as cold reason in your hot flushed faces.
You know there are none so dangerous as fanatics, in all walks of life. Nobody wants to go through abortion but it is a last resort when all else fails, and until we get infallible contraception it is the only thing left.
You insult peoples intelligence, with your strung out concern for other peoples pregnancies. Its their problem, not yours.
sanity1001 2 years ago
It's not about the "choice" of the slave - the slave owners are more important.
The jews have no"choice" it's whats good for the aryan race that matters.
We have to talk about the real world - the economy of the south will fall without slavery.
Get some balance - germany is for the aryan race, the jews have no rights here.
Face it, abortion is the murder of a person just as slavery was the enslavment of a person and the nazis killed real people.
Murder is murder
vivacristorey2009 2 years ago
Under our culture of death no child in the womb has a "choice"
They are murdered by those who have power over them.
America was once a land of free choice - if you wanted to own a slave you had the free "choice" to own a slave.
Slavery, abortion, the nazi death camps are all about the "free choice" of those in power to do as they wish to the weak and powerless.
vivacristorey2009 2 years ago
It's not about the choice of a fetus, it's about the life of the woman. She is more important than a fetus. Women rule their bodies.
You're still full of emotional rhetoric and false comparisons, spouting false accusations of murder and inciting violence between adults by your actions.
There is another real world of real women and their problems, you seem not to give a shit about them frankly, in comparison to that of an embryo or fetus. 9 out of 10 in the first trimester.
Get some balance.
sanity1001 2 years ago
The nazi's denial of life and destruction of "life unworthy of life" is the closest comparison we have to the destruction of human life by abortion.
Yes, they wouldn't let Aryians have abortions - but the forced abortions on others - why? - because abortion destroys human life - and they wanted the lives of those they hated destroyed
In america we also destroy lives we don't like - it's called abortion
In the consentration camps the nazis where simply praticing their right to "choose"
vivacristorey2009 2 years ago
Well of course that is pure rubbish. Under the Nazis no one had a choice unless they escaped. That is fascism, our way or no way. Including their own people. I am right, you are closer to the Nazi way of doing things than anything. No choice. American fascist - in the 'land of free choice'
Now, any practical ideas to prevent pregnancy when not required? 100% of course.
Obviously you dont believe that nine out of ten abortions are within the first trimester.
sanity1001 2 years ago
One of the ways mothers heal after the spiritual and mental suffering of an abortion is to name their child and ask his or her forgivness.
Hundreds of thousands of women have done this. And it helps bring peace and healing.
We don't know all of the names of those murdered by the nazi's - yet every one of those lives had and has meaning.
Every child murdered by abortion will always have meaning because they are forever members of our human family.
vivacristorey2009 2 years ago
Viva,
Thats fine and good for those women it helps.
Now if we can only address the reasons that brought them to that decision in the first place we could fix the problem, right?
I am a man but I know it is not easy being a woman, which is why I want all the options for them.
What is it with you and Nazi's. They have nothing to do with this subject. Except that they forbade any arayan girl to have an abortion, in which case you are closer to Nazism than anything else.
Blinks, how many?
sanity1001 2 years ago
The roll-call of the dead.
The dead children of abortion
Real children, our sisters and brothers, who hearts were beating, who's blood was flowing, who's LIVES HAD AND HAVE MEANING - AND ALWAYS WILL.
vivacristorey2009 2 years ago
Viva
If their fetal lives had meaning and names, why were they aborted?
You really are neurotic in my view and you make everything worse by spreading your neuroses around.
Once again, nine out of ten terminations are before 13 weeks, do you understand that? One blink for yes, two blinks for no.
sanity1001 2 years ago
vivacristorey2009 2 years ago
Maggie
Marie
Joanne
Devon
Sharie
Dale
Annie
Jenna
Jackie
vivacristorey2009 2 years ago
James
Brianna
Britanny
Beth
Just a few names of children who have been murdered by abortion
These are real people - with real lives.
I'm sorry you compare human children to animals
I believe every person has a right to life
No child should be murdered because someone claims they are not ready to care for that child
vivacristorey2009 2 years ago
So apparently you refused to look at little Samuel Armas
His beautiful arm and hand reaching out in love, in trust, in peace
His heart beating with life just like your heart is beating with life
Samual Armas - a person created in the image and likness of God, a person who is our brother, a person with an immortal soul
Now type in "Samual Armas today" and you will see pictures of a healthy boy
Abortion supporters would have had him murdered in the womb and called him a "choice"
abortionhurtswomen1 2 years ago
I refused nothing and read everything my reply is above.
sanity1001 2 years ago
Another thing, here are recent UK figures giving abortion rates at 89% that is 9 out of 10 within the first trimester.
98.5% that is 98 out of 100, are within 20 weeks. That means 1.5% are obviously extreme cases of need.
Thousands are from Ireland, despite your stupid controlling superstitions, women and girls in need leave their country to regain control of their own bodies in a humane and compassionate way then return. Its a continuous traffic. A continuous need. You people are dopes.
sanity1001 2 years ago
Its the same in that other bastion of your church, Poland, there is no safe, legal choice there either, making those women desperate too. They just go elsewhere. You ignorant backward dopes. When are you actually going to look after your women. You are a classic case of a church working against the interests of its congregation. Its all about the selfish clergy and not about the genuine need of women. Your church actually disgusts me because of its lack of compassion, ...thats probably mutual!
sanity1001 2 years ago
Samuel Armas
Do you know the name?
He is the little boy who was being operated on in his mothers womb.
He reached out his tiny hand, then his whole arm and grasped the finger of the doctor.
Type in on your image search Samuel Armas - if you have the courage to see the truth.
Now according to you the doctor could have just ripped that tiny arm right off and it would be nothing.
Take a look at the beautiful child reaching out in love - how can anyone accept his murder.
vivacristorey2009 2 years ago
Obviously you and thousands of others have been sucked in by this emotional story. The story gives the fetus a persona where none exists. The limbs respond to stimulus but there is no consciousness at that stage. Knowledgeable people know that, and you should too, but you refuse to acknowledge this and other facts. I wish the young chap well, he has loving support and care. That is not the issue.
My previous points are the issue, those and your apparent blindness to others reason and need.
sanity1001 2 years ago
insanity, even animals have an instinct to protect its young----------it's about time women stop using abortion as birth-control and take responsibility for not getting pregnant to start with, or are they not bright enough for that? that would be the sane thing to do!
SaulTemplarKnight 2 years ago
Darknight
Try doing your own independent studies mate and stop blaming women for getting pregnant when they dont want to.
They dont have sex with the idea of having an abortion later. If they did why would you encourage them to have children?
'Even' animals destroy or abandon their young when the timing is wrong, so do humans, it is instinctive.
sanity1001 2 years ago
A responsible person does not murder children.
Every abortion is the murder of a person who is as fully human as you and I, yes they are young and small and in their mothers womb but so we you and I one day.
Just watch a video of an abortion, the child kicking and screaming, fighting for her life.
Then the head, arms, legs, hands, feet, torso are pulled out of the mother.
Abortion is murder - we all know that - but some will accept murder because they have power over the helpless
vivacristorey2009 2 years ago
You are full of emotive rubbish. Your video is a speeded up normal ultrasound of an active fetus not being aborted. There is no timeline, plain propaganda. We know the facts of fetal growth and when possible consciousness occurs and the procedure is humane.
Maybe a little time spent with the desperate products of malfunctioning families in jail would enlighten you a bit, who knows?
You are so immature, and yet strangely you still think you are right despite all the evidence to the contrary.
sanity1001 2 years ago
Your way has been tried and failed.
Failed, that is why we have the laws as they are. Changing the law has no effect on the abortion rates, do you understand that? You cannot rally in church and escape facts.
The present way causes less suffering all round. For the same number of abortions no women are lost or injured compared to those maimed injured and lost when it is made illegal. Do you care about that? If you do care about that why are you waving your placards like ignoramuses?
sanity1001 2 years ago
you should go back to school-your facts are just wrong.stop wasting the space
SaulTemplarKnight 2 years ago
Viva,
No, go back one step. Why are children mistreated? Are you asking women to be surrogate mothers?
'..destroys all of humanity.'
What desperate dogma is this?
You have emotion only and try and reinforce it with more wild emotive lies and false language. You incite murder with your wild immature accusations. That is irresponsible. A responsible female chooses her family, and a responsible male.
That is good for humanity because at the least, those children are wanted and loved.
sanity1001 2 years ago
Abortion is child abuse, the worse kind, abortion is child murder.
We have no answer that will spare every person every bit of difficulty or suffering.
But murdering children in the womb as an answer to mothers and fathers not wanting to raise a child destroys all of humanity.
What is best for the child - to live
What is best for the mother - not to be a murderer of her son or daughter
What is best for the father - to take responsibility and not kill his own children
vivacristorey2009 2 years ago
Sanity instead of using your time to destroy life please consider spending some time loving people.
No child should be butchered by her own mother.
Every child is loved and wanted.
WE HAVE 1.2 MILLION ABORTIONS AND 1.2 MILLION FAMILIES WILLING TO ADOPT A BABY IN AMERICA. That tells you all you need to know right there.
Every child is our sister or brother - and we are called to love them.
abortionhurtswomen1 2 years ago
ahw
Yeah, shouting makes you feel better.
Are you asking women with unwanted pregnancies to be surrogate mothers for those who want to adopt?
Dream on. That is simple minded ideology, women are not incubators for others. They are not communal baby makers.
The fact is that women who birth are unlikely to give their child for adoption, 1 or 2 % presently. Where does that leave you?
sanity1001 2 years ago
There are 100,000 grown children in US foster care already, only half available for adoption, and are there as a result of neglect, abuse and abandonment. One would have to ask why one would mistreat a child but there you are. Maybe you can think of reasons. I can think of one.
sanity1001 2 years ago
Sanity, I am done arguing with you as I have 3 blessed babies who are more deserving of my time. Some day you will see the truth. Until then, I will pray for you.
Gospa2009 2 years ago
Gospa
Thats fine, real babies, young-uns, need all the attention they can get, apart from superstition.
This already is 'some day' for me, I can already see the truth.
Whatever you do, please think how you could possibly prevent unwanted babies from being conceived, or born, given the preceding factual comments on both sides, rather than spending 'brain time in prayer' for any sad unbeliever like me.
Because I know prayer helps nobody but the person who is praying.
sanity1001 2 years ago
There is NO reason that a baby must be aborted in the 3rd trimester to save the life of the mother as the baby could be delivered at that point. That simple fact is just easier to ignore. The truth is that you are still making a ridiculous argument that most pro-abortion people don't even bother making anymore...You say it is not a baby until it's born when a 2 year old can see that it is.
Gospa2009 2 years ago
So now a child is a "growth"
If instead of ripping apart the baby in the womb the abortionist pulled them out in tack then placed the baby in a tiny gas chamber (it would be less painful for the baby) would that bother you at all?
Sanity - you say you have a "balanced" view of humanity. What kind of balance is it that is willing to murder millions of children simply because they are in their mothers wombs.
Each of them is a person at an early stage of development.
abortionhurtswomen1 2 years ago
I was going to ask you girls - if you were able to know - would you implore local people of the muslim faith not to have an abortion, or would you live in India or Bangladesh and picket the the same way.
However as you keep repudiating facts, portraying all abortions as late term and regurgitating the same lies of murder over and over I have concluded that your opinions, while valid in one sense, are not worth listening to for the overall picture.
It being hysterical religious propaganda.
sanity1001 2 years ago
Sanity - were you raised by a progenitor?
Was it your "manufacture" who loved you in the womb?
The woman who gave you life - is all she is a supplier?
Was it your "host" who changed your diapers, fed you, clothed you, played with you
How sad, heartbreaking beyond word that you were raised in this way. For most of us it was our mother who did these things
Now I understand why you are so passionate about killing babies in the womb - you must not have been shown what real love is
vivacristorey2009 2 years ago
Viva
Yes, progenitor, look it up. You dont understand, but I understand very well your religious propaganda. You seem to have a thing about Nazi's.
I dont think 'ownage' comes into personal relationships at all, nobody owns their children. We agree.
A fetus is part of the woman like any other growth, it is definitely not a person, nor a baby. That is when it's born. So no murder, you people incite murder when you accuse others wrongly of it.
sanity1001 2 years ago
I am a man, I support women, I have a balanced view of humanity, that means I dont support emotional cripples like you who are only able to relate to humans if they are babies, fetuses or embryos, and those who cannot empathise with anyone older than ten. I want to give women the option of correcting a life mistake, yes a mistake, all unwanted pregnancies are obviously mistakes, because that is fair and I would want that option too.
sanity1001 2 years ago
Women know when their pregnancy is wrong, as I would. No body needs bleeding heart nosey parkers like you trying to force them to change their minds when a decision has been made. You are not them. I trust women to make the right decision for themselves and their families. It is they who live with the consequences, they who nurture the children. It is all natural.
sanity1001 2 years ago
It is natural for women and girls to have negative feelings of rejection of their pregnancies if conditions are not right for them. It is just as it is natural to want them when times are right. Leave it to them.
Men dont have the right to force a female to have their baby. Who or what gives anyone the right to force a woman or girl to have any other mans baby?
sanity1001 2 years ago
Quote: The female is the the progenitor, manufacturer, the supplier,
No wonder you will accept the murder of millions of children in you view haman being as manufactured products.
Just one of the problems with they way you view humanity (as manufactured things) is it always leads to the slaughter, the mass murder, of the poor, weak, and innocent.
vivacristorey2009 2 years ago
Sanity - reading what you have to say about human life reminds me of what the nazis had to say.
One group who has power is in total control of another group of humans who are powerless.......and the the group in power can slaughter them at will.
No person can be owned by another person. A mother does not own the baby in her womb - if she thinks she does and butchers the baby that doesn't mean she owned the child that just means she murdered her own daughter or son.
vivacristorey2009 2 years ago
The female is the the progenitor, manufacturer, the supplier, if there is no contract to produce she is under no obligation to society or anyone to produce a baby.
sanity1001 2 years ago
The rights of the unborn are such that they are conferred by the host. She is the judge and jury in these matters. Who else?
sanity1001 2 years ago
If there was an understanding and agreement at sex to have babies then obviously that is a matter between them, but as sex serves more than one purpose, its purpose at the outset must be agreed.
sanity1001 2 years ago
Males have to convince a female that they are worth the time and trouble for the female to give birth AND that the male will support them in that, barring nothing. If a female is not convinced of that she has every right to refuse to birth.
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sanity1001 2 years ago
Sanity, you state that you would prefer to have a mother who wanted you. I'm certain that we all agree that would be ideal but I know plenty of people whose mothers did not want them, or even suffered abuse who are happy to have been given life and are making a great difference in the world. Some public figures are Oprah and Obama. Who are you to decide that a child should die because it is what you think you would prefer?
Gospa2009 2 years ago
Gospa,
Who am I to give life or death to a fetus? Its host of course has that right. I support that right. Only the host knows whether a pregnancy is right for her, only the pregnant woman or girl.
sanity1001 2 years ago
Well, sanity you can quote the women who founded the feminist movement and what they thought of the evil of murdering children in the womb.
Guilty? Yes. No matter what the motive, love of ease, or a desire to save from
suffering the unborn innocent, the woman is awfully guilty who commits the deed. It will burden her conscience in life, it will burden her soul in death; But oh, thrice guilty is he who drove her to the desperation which impelled her to the crime! -Susan B. Anthony
vivacristorey2009 2 years ago
viva
Yes well that was a while ago now was'nt it, people and times move on, it matters what people say if it is relevant now. e.g. how can it be exploitation when its a choice.
BTW Fewer than 2% of abortions are provided at 21 weeks or after, and they are extremely rare after 26 weeks of pregnancy. Very few abortions are provided in the third trimester, .... ... limited to cases of severe fetal abnormalities or situations when the life or health of the pregnant woman is seriously threatened.
sanity1001 2 years ago
When we consider that women are treated as property, it is degrading to women that we should treat our children as property to be disposed of as we see fit. -Elizabeth Cady Stanton
The rights of children as individuals begin while yet they remain the foetus. -Victoria Woodhull
Abortion is the ultimate exploitation of women. Alice Paul, original author of the ERA
vivacristorey2009 2 years ago
Sanity, Once again you have proven your disinterest in knowing the real facts. You state only 6% of women regret their abortions. I found a pro-CHOICE website that says that 25% of women regret their abortion in the first 2 years. That number goes up as time passes, many women not regretting their abortion until after they meet their own children or have some other "trigger". PASS (Post Abortive Stress Syndrome) help is being sought and offered in unprecedented numbers.
Gospa2009 2 years ago
From a NAF site. 'Abortion Myths'
'Despite a concerted effort to convince the public of the existence of a widespread and severe postabortion trauma, there is no scientific evidence for the existence of such trauma, even though abortion occurs in the highly stressful context of an unwanted pregnancy.'
Looks like I was right about you people making post abortion stress worse too, but that is further down the page.
Pm your source please, despite you I want facts.
sanity1001 2 years ago
Sanity, George Tiller killed babies in their last days in the womb for no reason. These babies were torn limb from limb or pulled out of their mothers body until only the skull remained inside and a sharp object was pushed into the back side of their skull and then their dead body was pulled out of their mother. The abortion is performed in this disgusting manner (without anesthesia) because a few moments later it would be considered murder. If you can defend this you are a beast.
Gospa2009 2 years ago
If there was no reason why were the female Nazis there?
Of course there was a reason, and probably not the reason entered either, who is going to put the real reason if they can get by with a pat answer, I probably would not, I know that.
I am sorry but the brain itself has no feeling and removal of this would be the most humane. Partial consciousness may appear between 26 and 30 weeks with the fetus in its own natural coma drugs until natural birth.
sanity1001 2 years ago
Abortion is the murder of an innocent child.
Watch a video of an abortion and you clearly see a murder.
Look at pictures of a person in the womb and you will beyond any doubt see a child.
When you support abortion you support the murder of a person. Just as the nazis supported the murder of Jews and called them "life unworth of life" abortion supporters support the murder of children and call them "choice"
vivacristorey2009 2 years ago
So, what, women are Nazis?
I am glad we cleared that up.
I can unhappily go and tell my female loved ones and their female friends and acquaintances and female neighbours that I no longer trust them as one third to two thirds of them at some stage will turn out to be a Nazi.
Thats just great. Looks like your propaganda is working, I am starting to hate women already, those miserable jackbooted lowlife females, lets get rid of them! Men unite against the female Nazi threat, we'll show them!
sanity1001 2 years ago
Sanity, as sidewalk counselors we do talk to these women and yes, many of them are coerced. They are told by husbands, boyfriends or parents that they are not ready to be parents or that they must have the abortion. Women are victimized repeatedly by abusers who use abortion to cover their crimes. Girls are lied to by people like you who say it is not a baby, only to see a picture years later that clearly shows an unborn child in the womb.
Gospa2009 2 years ago
Those who are coercing have to take responsibility for their actions. It is fair to give a woman or girl all relevant information, that which is relevant to her in a few years time as well as immediately. So she can make a decision which suits her not others.
To try and change her mind at the last minute on a sidewalk, from people who have no relationship with her in my view is despicable.
Frankly I think you should be charged with harassment.
sanity1001 2 years ago
Abuse victims are held in mental chains by their abusers. Victims need their problem fixed immediately and their situation fixed afterwards. That is how it goes. If it is known that an abuser will get caught, they will try other illegal remedies or worse to suit themselves not the victim. The victim is the prime consideration in these cases. Why dont you get some proper knowledge on this aspect instead of the bigoted accusations.
You want to coerce, you be responsible
sanity1001 2 years ago
Sanity, You wrote that ""Dr Tiller ran a unit which specialised in late term abortions for whatever reason, and were from a greater area, possibly medically diagnosed faulty fetuses. This is evidence that you only do homework that supports your conclusion. Unfortunately, Dr. Tiller was murdered, and the truth about his horrendous practice will never be revealed publicly the way it would have had he been forced to go to court.
Gospa2009 2 years ago
It is a fact that Dr Tillers clinic received patients from all over the States and from overseas. Obviously he was good at caring for women in those late stages. You obviously think that
he should not have done what women wanted or medical advice dictated in some cases, I do.
I would rather I had a mother who wanted me, than not.
sanity1001 2 years ago
Sanity, although the greatest number of women will feel regret and remorse about their abortion, some will not. Just as I'm certain there are some Nazi guards who slept fine at night. It doesn't mean that what they did was okay.
Gospa2009 2 years ago
Gospa
No, 6% of women feel regret, the overwhelming number feel a great sense of relief, approaching 90%, which is of course why women choose abortion anyway, they dont want to be pregnant. You seem to be in denial of that fact.
sanity1001 2 years ago
rusty, the wild colonial boy
If only we could save the babies mate, save them from being conceived until they were really wanted. That would save an awful lot of grief.
sanity1001 2 years ago
Is that right mate? Have you lost your glasses again eh? This is about abortion and that means its about a baby that has already been concived, not about what happens or doent happen before. don't you ever get out of your flat?
rustydog008 2 years ago
Every three days, more African-Americans are killed by abortion than have been killed by the Ku Klux Klan in its entire history.
Planned Parenthood operates the nation's largest chain of abortion clinics and almost 80 percent of its facilities are located in minority neighborhoods.
About 13 percent of American women are black, but they submit to over 35 percent of the abortions.
What the Ku Klux Klan and slave owners Could Only Dream About The Abortion Industry is Accomplishing
vivacristorey2009 2 years ago
To all of that you have listed Viva, ask yourself 'Why', and is it their choice.
Are people forced to have abortions by others or are they doing what is necessary?
They are facts, not reasons. When you say women are submitting to abortions that implies coercion. By whom?
Try asking the women who had them why, then perhaps you will understand. (and maybe think of a solution)
sanity1001 2 years ago
Hey if it isn't SaniPadMan! So this is where youve been hiding out eh? Chucking around more abuse at prolifers as per your usual self. Get out of your flat mate before you turn into a fossil!! Ha ha! Did ya get kicked out of Pavones videos eh? Not surprised mate with all your bulldust. Hey mate, theprolifeguy's got it right, SAVE THE BABIES! You might want to take notice of that.
rustydog008 2 years ago
In America today, almost as many African-American children are aborted as are born.
A black baby is three times more likely to be murdered in the womb than a white baby.
Since 1973, abortion has reduced the black population by over 25 percent.
Twice as many African-Americans have died from abortion than have died from
AIDS, accidents, violent crimes, cancer, and heart disease combined.
vivacristorey2009 2 years ago
Quote: You dont need an abortion but please stop whingeing about those who do because it is not your business.
You do know where this line was originaly used? IF YOU DON'T LIKE SLAVERY THEN DON'T OWN ONE.
It is a proven medical fact that the person in the womb is a human being - so the abortion you promote is the murder of a human being.
The supporters of slavery abortion or the murder of Jews say if you don't like it don't do it.
The problem is you are murdering the helpless.
abortionhurtswomen1 2 years ago
Yeah, Likening abortion to slavery is relevant, you dumbo.
A person is born and murder applies to a person only. Stop spreading lies.
Why dont you wave photographs of road accident victims? Make road accidents illegal - oh wait they ARE. Why do they keep happening then?
Is shouting abuse and shame going to make a difference - no. It makes you selfish people feel better but every one else feel worse - as if that is needed.
Support positive prevention, that's an answer.
sanity1001 2 years ago
Quote : it was a potential that is all,
He or she is a person created in the image and likenss of God, a person with an immortal soul, a person who is living, a person who is our sister or brother, a person who is a member of the human family as fully as you or I.
Some people have claimed Jews, blacks, the handicapped, the young, the elderly, the sick, the poor, etc are not fully human and it's OK to kill them.
It's the same with abortion supporters - they are killing the innocent.
vivacristorey2009 2 years ago
Viva
Please, If you you believe all that, with others, thats fine. Every one is fully human but not every one believes the same as you and there is no proof of anything supernatural. So its a belief is all, not fact.
You dont need an abortion but please stop whingeing about those who do because it is not your business. You are only making things worse for those in trouble anyway. Support the woman or girl in need with positive stuff, that will make a difference and let her get over her mistake.
sanity1001 2 years ago
This weekend I had the privilege of listening to men and women give their abortion testimonies at a Silent No More awareness event. It was heartbreaking. Two of the women who spoke were teens when they aborted and did not even believe in God, even they were guilt ridden by what they had done. One man, whose wife aborted his child against his will over 30 years ago, gave his testimony and knelt on the ground and cried afterwards. You tell those people that their child was not a human being.
Gospa2009 2 years ago
Gospa
There is no doubt that reproduction or its interruption can be a very emotive subject. One always wonders what could have been, but one does what one thinks is best at the time. Who is going to blame you for that? Ones life moves on, for better or worse, who knows, it does not matter, it is the past, it was a potential that is all, could have been bad or good, we dont know. On balance our life progressed out of that uncertain time to promise at least with another go and wanted progeny.
sanity1001 2 years ago
Sanity, The abortion industry is corrupt and there are many who were formally on the inside that will tell you so. There is no viable medical reason for a partial birth abortion and few in the last trimester at all. The late Dr. Tiller was aborting late term babies for reasons that included "stress due to pregnancy". I can assure you that the real stress began after they emptied their womb and lay in their bed at night alone and grieving.
Gospa2009 2 years ago
Gospa
You are not going to tell me that everyone who aborts is permanently stressed out with regret. Dr Tiller ran a unit which specialised in late term abortions for whatever reason, and were from a greater area, possibly medically diagnosed faulty fetuses.
But hardly any patient is going to reveal the real reason they are there if a pat answer will suffice to enable the operation. Further, is any one not going to wonder and grieve at the procedure just gone through, especially late term?
sanity1001 2 years ago
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Viva
Ah religion, the last resort of the scoundrel.
With not too much respect quite honestly, you can take your ideas of heaven and hell and shove them.
Heaven for us all is here on Earth, we are making hell if we dont look after it.
sanity1001 2 years ago
You know - we can go back and fourth with studies.
But in the end we have only and only two things........
Heaven and hell.
If we love God and love our neighbor, espicially the poor, weak, and "least of His people." We will love for all eternity.
If we destroy life and faith, if we kill those we have power over, if the "least of