What people forget about the Klingons is how they changed over time. In TOS they were just kind of asshole jerks who hated Kirk and the Federation just "because". It wasn't until TNG they were made into the savage warrior race. Even in the earlier Trek movies they weren't really like that. Were Kruge or Chang really anything like Worf or Gowron?
@swastikausa Ok, lemme try something. Before they got captured, Nero engaged a code that would effectively lock the Klingons out of all systems aboard the Narada. And they wouldn't be able to take it apart because the Borg technology would regenerate to the point that it would impossible to do so. And the only reason they got captured was because systems were knocked out from impact. So Nero and his crew spent years plotting their revenge while being tortured themselves. Not the best but hey.
TNG Klingons sucked. They were a 12yo version of 'honorable warriors'. They couldn't take a leak without a ridiculous ritual or they would have 'dishonored their family'
This is definitely a better version. Closer to the TOS.
Rura Penthe isn't an Ice Planet. It's an Asteroid owned by the Klingon Empire. Dilithium & Trilithium rich deposits mined by the Prisoners/Slaves of the Klingon's. As for that one spot being "Warm," it could be a Force Field in that one area. It's 600 hundred years in the future
of Earth! So who's to say what the Klingon's would have now, much less by then.
First of all: I don`t like "JJ" because I believe that he and his crew are responsible for the biggest "fraud" in the history of television - Aka "Lost"...
But: The hardcore-fans also bashed Nicholas Meyer in 1982 for "Star Trek II" - And Today it is considered to be the best Star Trek movie of all times which revived the franchise...
So Meyer was a "genius" and JJ is an "asshole"?! - Give me a break...
@SuperJuliusC Honour is in any victory, regardless of how one acheives it :3. A true warrior obeys without question etc. I know all the old books lol.
@shinra18 And by the way: What DS9 made out of this three "classic klingons" (probably with the exception of kang) was ridiculous!
Koloth (a greedy space "politician") - Now a "space-viking" which had absolutely nothing to do anymore with the original character!
Kor (an atrocious "space-gauleiter" (Gauleiter was the term for "administrators" of smaller and bigger regions of nazi Germany)) - Now a drunken "space-viking"...
@PeachWookiee Star Trek Enterprise episode Judgment, Archer was on Rura Pentha for a short time and it was an Ice Planet. Check out the Memory Alpha Wiki for Rura Pentha
now i finally understand where the "the wait is over" part from the trailer is from i wish they didnt remove any of the scenes i think they added some nice parts to the movie
I think making the Klingons more cunning is good. I never liked it when they were portrayed as essentially high-functioning beasts. They were more menacing in TOS and Undiscovered Country when they more like samurai. Hope they go that way in the next film.
@trekeee Just a thought but isn't it possible that there was more than one mining/prison installation on Rura Penthe and that they were located in different regions of the planet? The one Kirk and Archer was sent to could have been an installation located in an arctic region while the one Nero was in was an installation located in a more temperate region.
@Fbueller129 according to startrek.com and alpha-memory Rura Penthe is frozen planetoid used by the Klingons as a high-security prison camp. The prison is located underground as the surface weather of the entire planet is inhospitable and unable to support life.
@Fbueller129 Have you ever read the novel Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country? In it Rura Penthe is described as a frozen asteroid with an atmosphere orbiting a dying star.
I cannot help but wonder how the death of George Kirk could turn a frozen moon (Enterprise, ST VI) into a place where you can stand outside without your shirt. As much as I enjoyed this fun mindless summer blockbuster, like ID4, Day After Tomorrow, etc. I had already seen Star Wars. Star Trek is not mindless, it is over all positive and thought provoking. IX is for the Unthinking Generation. It was a fun movie but it for those who had never seen SW or ST.
@DanteLAurs And who cares if Rura Penthe isn`t a frozen wasteland "anymore"?!
Is it "non-canon"?! - Just like when Wesley Crusher mentioned that the klingons were members of the federation?! Or when Khan remembered Chekov`s face. Or the borg babies?!
You guys dream of a "canon" which hasn`t really ever existed...
Rura penthe is supposed to be a desolate ice world. Rgardless of whether the past was reset with a new reality by Nero somethings should be left the same. And the klingons wearing masks sounds like they are trying to hide their identity. Not very honorable. There are some tings JJ neds to leave alone.
why was all this cut out the film, its a key plot line about what happened to nero his crew and the narada between it being crippled and then next being seen, that and its a cool view on nero
@alextoob1 In this case they were one and the same. The blockbuster movie Star Trek VI: established Rura Penthe as an ice Asteroid. No warmth, no hope, no mercy. And no one has ever escaped except Kirk and McCoy. But the Klingons allowed them to escape, in order to have an excuse to kill them.
@2Scribble Chang would have negotiated like that. Worf probably would have too, if he decided to not play up his "Have I mentioned my heritage yet today?" disorder.
@2Scribble Klingons arn't dumb - they were increasingly portrayed this way in later Star Trek shows - but a species could not build starships and run a massive empire by being idiots.
Star Trek VI, as well as the TOS episodes involving Klingons, are the best representation.
@LazarusRemains I never said Klingons were dumb, what I said was that THAT was the most un-klingon interrogation I've ever seen. WHY did they suddenly stop investigating the ship THEMSELVES and go like 'okay.. NOW we'll ask the Romulans that were flying it how the ship works' :P I mean they had it - THEMSELVES - for almost 15 years... the scene makes no sense and MAKES the Klingons look dumb
It would have been a monumental failure to have had this scene in the movie.
JJ had a good idea but in the end it would have caused to many questions regarding what the hell were the Klingons doing with an advanced ship for so long and not take advantage.
What this shows is they waited 20 years to interrogate him? That's uber lame. Better to have shown the ship take out the Klingon fleet instead of surrender.
@dega I object, that's irrelevant & immaterial. The Movie was bad period. Forget for a moment that they got all the characters & the science completely wrong. Nero was a 2 dimensional villain filled with every dumb line a Saturday morning serial villain would say & do. Kirk should have never been allowed in Starfleet because of his criminal record, let alone be given command of the flag ship. McCoy=Dr. Zoidburg, Uhura= Slut, Vulcans lie about having control of their emotions. Need I go on?
@BondFreek i wasnt judging you or anything sor forgive me if i came accross as offensive.
i cabn kinda see your point. im kinda new to star trek (been in love with star wars all my life). about 2 years ago i watched all of STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE and LOVED it. ive seen a good few episodes of Voyager but im notup to that yet. im up to season 5 of The Next Generation and im watching TOS inbetween. {got all the star trek series on dvd ready to watch :]) and i can see how people hate some of the new
@BondFreek star trek material such as ENTERPRISE and STAR TREK.
i understand how the hardcore trek fans tear them to peices in comparrisson to the old ones. but
what i dont understand however is why they dont just accept that this movie despite its lore, is damn entertaining and beautifully made! $150 Million dollars WELL spent i must say :P
on another note. when a new star trek series comes out (its only a matter of time) i dread to see the veterans tear it apart and not give it a chance!
@dega. That's because no one has taught you how to watch a movie objectively. The movie is not well made. The Story has multiple holes in it, the plot line is inconsistent with its self, the screen play was written to include as many catch phrases & retro story points as possible, the story uses all the Star WARS movies as a template (R2-D2 is even in two different scenes), the picture is so cluttered with lens flares & shaky camera shots that you can't see the actors performance, Excreta...
@dega. I'm first a movie fan. I have studied fill for over 30 years. I know all the doo's and don'ts in film making. ST:XI did not follow the first rule of film making "Make it your own." By taking everything from other movies and TV shows there was little or nothing left that was truly original and reflected the filmmakers’ talents. Example: Nero's personality =Ming the Merciless, Nero's Motive= The Punisher, Nero's look = Darth Maul. I always give new movies and TV shows a fair chance.
@BondFreek GLAD TO SEE SOMEONE GIVES THEM A CHANCE!!!
im sick of all the old TOS/TNG only fans who ridicule all the other new stuff just for simply being new, more action packed and more fast paced simply because its aimed at the modern audience and notjust them .¬_¬
i think you misunderstand those so called TOS/TNG only fans ... as they gave DS9 and hell, even VOY their chance, though the latter was in many ways supposed to be like the original it turned out to be just stupid resetable action! but going back and rewriting history isn't something NEW at all, it just butchers what has been before in a most disgusting way, and left us with a lens-flare overkilled, badly directed, action packed, plot-less movie whose only connection to trek is its name!
also i would like to see someone reimagining shakespeare stuff, ohh and the bible, and while we're at it every freakin piece of literature! star trek, like star wars has left the ranks of conventional tv shows/movies a long time ago and entered our very culture ... how else can you explain people knowing who spock, kirk, data, picard are even though they had never really seen a trek episode?
I wonder if the klingons wear the faceplates because their bodies are being treated with klingon dna to reshape them back to pre-Enterprise looking klingons instead of the TOS era human looking klingons. Maybe they are ugly as hell at this point in the treatment. My guess is the next movie will explain why they wear masks and their true appearance will be revealled. They probably will look human but have one distinctive cranial ridge on their forehead. Not as defined as TNG era klingons.
@09kolmann They were wearing masks because they are descendents of DARTH VADER. LOL All kidding aside the reason they were wearing masks is that Jar Jar wanted them to look more evil. In real Star Trek a Klingon warrior never wears a mask, it is a dishonorable thing to do.
@kuryamtl They should have deleted the whole movie and started over with DC Fontana as their head writer, and Nickolas Myer or Jonathan Frakes as the director.
If DC Fontana was head writer, and we got a good Star Trek director, this could have been the best movie out there
As it is, we got writers who don't understand Star Trek and a director who says he likes Star Wars better (not kidding, he said it at a ST con) and is addicted to lense flares BLEH. And why, Why, WHY did they give Vulcan a *blue* sky? Vulcan is supposed to have a *red* sky!
The flaws in this movie are almost too many to count
@StoneKnivesBearskins I would not say it's a good movie, but for some it's a guilty pleasure. Like the Godzilla movies are for me, BAD movies but I really like them.
@Trekfreek DC Fontana would have been awesome. She is a fantastic writer. I have to say that while it was an enjoyable movie, it really didn't have the star trek feel to movie, it was just a generic action movie. I was disappointed by it. While the other star trek films, were never as popular, they still had the essence of star trek and what made it enjoyable viewing (except for the 10th, as much as I LOVE TNG, the 10th one really could have been better).
“Nero... We are your fathers!” (Heavy breathing). Nero's advanced ship in orbit over a prison mining asteroid instead of being at a Klingon research center. What happened did they run out of room and Borg tech is less advanced then the Tech they are working on? Why did Nero wait 25 years to escape? Is he clairvoyant and knew when Old Spock was coming through, and is he into slave labor? This movie is so bad; I can't stop commenting about it. To me it's like inching powder in my shirt.
@Bla31n Forgot Startrek VI and the Klingon Prision there? Bisides that Nero told the Klingons that he came from the future, so its more clever keep him to get information that could help the Empire destroy the federation instead of just kill him.
Klingons are not mindless creatures, my friend, see Chang for exemple.
@BondFreek If you would have listened... you would have noted that Nero had notes, another kept them, and they were found... he actually did not tell them.
@BondFreek He is a romulan, If he said nothing they would destroy, or try to destroy, the Narada and you know how romulans are. Also he wanted to stay alive to get revange from spock.
Agreed, the money they spend on this movie could be better used making another ST series like TNG or a much better movie.
The Klingon is probably speaking in English to Nero because he doesn't speak Romulan or expect Nero to speak Klingon. I doubt your typical Klingon bird of prey driving officer speaks English considering the Federation and Klingons are not allies yet. It might be safe to assume that this is an educated Klingon interpretor or maybe the warden himself. Not all Klingons are idiots.
As far as Rura Penthe is concerned. It is a planet, there might be multple penal colonies on a planet.
Can someone fill me in as to how the Klingons captured Nero and his ship, while in the movie it's said that forty klingon ships were destroyed by Nero's ship? I have not seen all the deleted scenes, so please forgive my inquiry.
@Thechad201 I think (I could be wrong) when the USS Kelvin rammed into the Narada it must of crippled it. The Klingons must of also seen the space anomaly on their sensors and investigated, boarded and captured the crew. When Nero escaped either the Kilingons sent an armada to stop him or he desired revenge and took out an entire defense fleet.
Err, so, how'd he get his ship back? If the Klingons had it for 20 years, couldn't they adapt the more advanced technology to cause trouble? And before you point out this was deleted, the events depicted were referenced by Uhura to her room mate, though a lot of you were probably distracted by Zoe Saldana and that green chick running around in their underwear at the time. I know I was the first time I saw it.
Wasn't Worf's ancestor (at this time) the attorney in Star Trek 6 at Kirk and McCoy's trial? I thought that was always the joke because he played his own grandfather.
@kalel32688 I think it was the actor of worf playing him maybe he was meant to be his ancestor im sad they cut this out because this scene and worfs ancestor wr awesome
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What franchise will JJ butcher next? Maybe Sherlock Holmes can be Hindu and take place is Sri Lanka?
It has already been established that Rura Penthe is inhospitable on the surface, especially at night. So then why is Nero shirtless? Oh yeah, that's for the ladies in the audience & for some of you guys, too. {I don't want to leave anyone out...in the cold. lol}
@fmscribs regardless of my explainations this scene is none canon by the mere fact that its a deleted scene therefore theres no reason to argue about the logistics because this didnt happen in the movie
The interrogator is actually played by canadian actor Victor Garber who also played Jack Bristow in Alias. Memory Alpha (the Star Trek wiki) has a picture of Garber taken between takes that reveals the klingon makeup under the mask.
@USSDaedalus did anyone notice that the weapons that nero and his men have when james t kirk encounters them look more klingon than the romulan design which is simplistic
So the Klingons captured the Narada and it's crew? Then put them in Rura Penthe for 20 years? What happened to the Narada in that time? And we are supposed to believe Nero and his crew escaped and got their super powerful ship back? Something is missing here.
@Kodos1 JJ said that he shot a whole film with that explained but he decided to cut it out because the movie would have run 3+ hours too long LOL but not for hard core fans like us LOL! i wan2 see that version :-p
"JJ said that he shot a whole film with that explained but he decided to cut it out because the movie would have run 3+ hours too long LOL but not for hard core fans like us LOL! i wan2 see that version"
Great, just great.
Instead of a crappy 2 + hour movie it would have been a crappy 3 + hour movie. I think I would have blown my head off it it went any longer.
Yes something is missing here. However this scnene should have been in the movie. Without is does not make any sense at all. Without this scene we're supposed to believe that Nero waits more than 20 years on this ship until the plot continues. Must have been boring in those years. With the KLingon scene we now that he spent those years in prison
@Exverlobter Actually there are plenty of other plot devices the writers could have used to explain what Nero was doing for 20 years. If you know anything about Einstein's theories on space travel Nero and his crew could have traveled at the speed of light for only a few years while 20 years past for the outside world. I don't know all the details about it but Einstein said if you travel at the speed of light time slows down for you.
@Kodos1 There are other problems with travelling at close speed to speed of light.. like mass. Closer you are to the speed of light, heavier you are... and Im not talking about some few kilos more.. I'm talking about huge multipliers. And these 'mass multipliers' or how to call it, are raising extremely fast more close you are to that speed.
mass= mass[when you are not moving] / 1- √velocity^2 / speed of light^2 so this is a big ouchie.. (hopefully I wrote it right..)
@Sunshrine2 That is an interesting point but obviously in the Star Trek universe they have solved problems like this otherwise they wouldn't have things like Warp Drive or Sub-Light Speed. LOL!
My point was there were many ways to explain where Nero and his mind were for 20 years if you know a little bit about space travel. Suspended Animation could have been another possibility.
@Kodos1 Suspended animation? Nah that too not 'trekish' , and ehm Sub-Light speed means eh.. every speed under the speed of light... (sub = under < , sub-space = they possibly mean a space with lower count of dimensions, sub is opposite to hyper)
How exactly was Nero captured when his ship was so powerful? In the movie it wiped out a fleet of Klingon ships and a fleet of Federation Star ships. I don't get it. If the Narada was so powerful how did Nero end up in the hands of the Kilngons?
@Kodos1 you forget that the narada had just been rammed by a ship so it was dammaged, weapons and shields probably offline, in the fufte when the enterprise meets the narada it was repaired and im sure one missle could take out 2 klingon battle cruisers :-p
Rura penthe wasnt a planet it was a astroroid as stated by the klingon judge on star trek six so maybe depending on the astroroids position in space it would have different climates also think abrams was taking into acount the klingons underwent a physical change due to a experiment on star trek enterprise that altered their apperance thats why the klingons on the origanal series look differnent
Asteroids are smaller then Pluto which is no longer listed as a planet. The climate on an asteroid would be the same all over it because of its size and distance from the sun. (Elementary astrophysics)
@gmcd123 I agree and hence the helmets to add the "ridges" that we are fermiliar with from DS9, TNG, Voyager, and even enerprise until the experiment. BTW i like that explination to why the klingons dont have ridges :-p
Jesus Ch**t, we all know why the Klingons looked the way they did in TOS. It's because of it's LOW budget. Nothing more, nothing less. That's why in DS9's episode "Trials & Tribblations" it was kind of jokingly blow off by Worf saying something to the affect, "we don't talk about it..."
This was shot outside to save $ and to show off Mr. Bana's physique for the ladies in the audience. JJ had to balance out all the women, in bras, from earlier in the flick.
While I find it silly that a romulan miner is able to defeat 2 klingon guards in hand to hand combat, I do like the way Abrams portrays the Klingons here.
In Voyager and Enterprise the Klingons were little more than cavemen, this is more like TOS->TNG->DS9 where Klingons are actually an intelligent, if somewhat brutal, race - not illiterate psychopaths
@stringerboi i agree with A but with b, like GMCD says above in JJ's world since EVERYTHING is changed the climate on Rura Penthe could have been changed as well
@stringerboi different era different Klingons some klingons have more human characteristics due to genetic engineering to learn how to think like their enemy also they probly figured violence wont get them anywhere with a mind like neros also this was a bit before the planet was seen in the original its possible its environment changed inbetween the movies also the prison is so vast maybe it runs through warmer climates as well as colder planets dont have to have just one climate look at earth
@Exverlobter old time klingons woulda torn him apart and tortured him daily just for sport. the slug thing is bullcrap and his ear---i woulda expected nothing but scars all over neros body and him lacking appendages
@stringerboi If this star trek movie took place in an parallel universe (assuming spock and nero travelled through the black hole into a different universe( then rura penthe can be a hot planet and delta vega can be an ice planet.
I'm completely shallow, (& gonna borrow a phrase I just saw the other day which can only describe how I felt) 'my labia clapped' when they panned up Nero's naked torso!
I agree, the world needs much more half-naked Nero in general though.
Not gonna lie, when I watched this on the DVD, I literally paused it at his feet and stepped it up that oh so nummy body of his, like five or six times.
Was the helmet-thing a way to get around the ridge-delima for the newcomer? Since Klingons had ridges in ENT and TNG/DS9 but not in TOS? Even though this was expained in ENT as being caused by Augment virus, i'm sure the novice wouldn't know that
I think it's deeper than that. If they're using the ENT explanation, then it is out of shame that the Klingons are wearing helmets with head and nose ridges. Also, remember that this takes place sooner than the original series did, so there is time for the Klingons to get over that shame and lose the helmets.
@MajorDiarriah yes but still klingons are a PROUD people and Trekkie will tell you that. Klingons hold grudges for a long time (look at Riker and Worf in the Series Finale of TNG, LOL!) so I know if I was a klingon, i would still be bitter, and i couldnt have been THAT long after the augment incident, because SCOTTY mentions ADMERIAL ARCHER'S Beagle, im sure the same Jonathan Archer from ENT.
Except in the original time line they did get over their looks and go bear faced and since the new movie takes place earlier than the original series, there is still time to remove the masks. But being an alternate reality, perhaps the masks will become even more ornate. {{:-)
A bit too much extrapolation - could have been nice with a bit of cleanup, but I am verysad it was cut.
My only problem with the scenario is that I can't imagine Narada being very intact if the Klingons had it in their possession for 25 years... And how did Nero and Co get it back?
Rura Penthe is supposed to be a ice laden wasteland
hsharrott 1 week ago
What people forget about the Klingons is how they changed over time. In TOS they were just kind of asshole jerks who hated Kirk and the Federation just "because". It wasn't until TNG they were made into the savage warrior race. Even in the earlier Trek movies they weren't really like that. Were Kruge or Chang really anything like Worf or Gowron?
92chillwill 1 week ago
I'm disappointed to see how much they ripped off Star Wars in their Klingon helmet design.
It looks just like Darth Vader and almost identical to Ralph McQuarrie's pre production concept art for the Darth Vader character.
Hope they do something more original for the sequel klingons
jmc32007 2 weeks ago
I wish they had included this scene in the movie. It would have been cool.
Kguy985 3 weeks ago
is it confirmed that the narada had borg technology?
11lostfan 1 month ago
@11lostfan
Probably not, considering this is the first I've ever heard of that being suggested.
sgthombre999 1 month ago
I like the fact that they keep the faces of the Klingons in mistery
Sorry for my shitty english
horaciosi 1 month ago
Soft hearted Klingons being beaten up by a romulan prick? wtf?
dorfpomeranze 1 month ago
makes sense they put a miner to work in the mines. but where is the narada during this time?
swastikausa 1 month ago
@swastikausa Ok, lemme try something. Before they got captured, Nero engaged a code that would effectively lock the Klingons out of all systems aboard the Narada. And they wouldn't be able to take it apart because the Borg technology would regenerate to the point that it would impossible to do so. And the only reason they got captured was because systems were knocked out from impact. So Nero and his crew spent years plotting their revenge while being tortured themselves. Not the best but hey.
Clonetrooperkev 1 month ago
TNG Klingons sucked. They were a 12yo version of 'honorable warriors'. They couldn't take a leak without a ridiculous ritual or they would have 'dishonored their family'
This is definitely a better version. Closer to the TOS.
DinoAgent69 1 month ago 5
Rura Penthe isn't an Ice Planet. It's an Asteroid owned by the Klingon Empire. Dilithium & Trilithium rich deposits mined by the Prisoners/Slaves of the Klingon's. As for that one spot being "Warm," it could be a Force Field in that one area. It's 600 hundred years in the future
of Earth! So who's to say what the Klingon's would have now, much less by then.
ZEEMADMAN 2 months ago
First of all: I don`t like "JJ" because I believe that he and his crew are responsible for the biggest "fraud" in the history of television - Aka "Lost"...
But: The hardcore-fans also bashed Nicholas Meyer in 1982 for "Star Trek II" - And Today it is considered to be the best Star Trek movie of all times which revived the franchise...
So Meyer was a "genius" and JJ is an "asshole"?! - Give me a break...
SuperJuliusC 2 months ago
Sorry guys - But those klingons are much more the classic klingons from TOS than those "space-vikings" from TNG.
Does nobody remember classic Koloth, Kang and Kor anymore?!
SuperJuliusC 2 months ago 4
@SuperJuliusC Honour is in any victory, regardless of how one acheives it :3. A true warrior obeys without question etc. I know all the old books lol.
shinra18 1 month ago
@shinra18 I meant classic/TOS Koloth Kang and Kor!
So all I have to say is: "My dear captain Kirk"...
SuperJuliusC 1 month ago
@shinra18 And by the way: What DS9 made out of this three "classic klingons" (probably with the exception of kang) was ridiculous!
Koloth (a greedy space "politician") - Now a "space-viking" which had absolutely nothing to do anymore with the original character!
Kor (an atrocious "space-gauleiter" (Gauleiter was the term for "administrators" of smaller and bigger regions of nazi Germany)) - Now a drunken "space-viking"...
SuperJuliusC 1 month ago
Are they Klingons or Uruk-hai? :S
TheDarkFrontier 2 months ago
I thought Rura Pentha was an ice planet.
egwest01 3 months ago
@egwest01 Perhaps in the prime timeline, by the time Jim and Bones were imprisoned there, things were messed up in the atmosphere.
PeachWookiee 2 months ago
@PeachWookiee Star Trek Enterprise episode Judgment, Archer was on Rura Pentha for a short time and it was an Ice Planet. Check out the Memory Alpha Wiki for Rura Pentha
egwest01 2 months ago
because its summer time ya mook.
swastikausa 1 month ago
I like how this makes the Klingons look scary, but here they behave more like Romulans or Cardassians.
YesWeCantaloupe 3 months ago
I like this scene purely for the ceti eel homage
walter0bz 3 months ago
You guys are fucking needs!
J0NPineda 3 months ago
They shouldn't have cut this, it makes a lot more sense than Nero just hanging out in space for 25 years doing nothing.
squamish4244 4 months ago
So where they mining right above ground or just below the surface?, because the Rura Penthe was supposed to be a frozen wasteland.
mayena 4 months ago 2
!!Nero was FINE!! wHAT A BOD Why the f*ck did they cut this??!!
rashida7777 4 months ago
Thank you for uploading this scene!!!! I been looking for it forever.
laddiefactor86 7 months ago
Is the guy with the papers an Yridian?
Ebareebaveebeedee 8 months ago
now i finally understand where the "the wait is over" part from the trailer is from i wish they didnt remove any of the scenes i think they added some nice parts to the movie
kallemick 8 months ago
I think making the Klingons more cunning is good. I never liked it when they were portrayed as essentially high-functioning beasts. They were more menacing in TOS and Undiscovered Country when they more like samurai. Hope they go that way in the next film.
jimbopumbapigsticks 9 months ago 4
I wish they had kept this scene in the final cvut. It explains ALOT!
pardusian141 10 months ago
@pardusian141 "It explains ALOT" Like why the movie sucks and gets worst the longer you watch it?
BondFreek 9 months ago 2
wish they kept this scene in the final cut of the movie
ConstantineChernabog 10 months ago
Don't care f the Klingons weren't Klingon enough, shirtless Nero was OMG HOT!!!!
13Amazons 10 months ago
Rura Penthe is a moon with ice, this is not Rura Penthe!
trekeee 11 months ago 6
@trekeee Just a thought but isn't it possible that there was more than one mining/prison installation on Rura Penthe and that they were located in different regions of the planet? The one Kirk and Archer was sent to could have been an installation located in an arctic region while the one Nero was in was an installation located in a more temperate region.
Fbueller129 10 months ago
@Fbueller129 according to startrek.com and alpha-memory Rura Penthe is frozen planetoid used by the Klingons as a high-security prison camp. The prison is located underground as the surface weather of the entire planet is inhospitable and unable to support life.
trekeee 10 months ago
@Fbueller129 Have you ever read the novel Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country? In it Rura Penthe is described as a frozen asteroid with an atmosphere orbiting a dying star.
BondFreek 9 months ago
I cannot help but wonder how the death of George Kirk could turn a frozen moon (Enterprise, ST VI) into a place where you can stand outside without your shirt. As much as I enjoyed this fun mindless summer blockbuster, like ID4, Day After Tomorrow, etc. I had already seen Star Wars. Star Trek is not mindless, it is over all positive and thought provoking. IX is for the Unthinking Generation. It was a fun movie but it for those who had never seen SW or ST.
DanteLAurs 11 months ago
@DanteLAurs And who cares if Rura Penthe isn`t a frozen wasteland "anymore"?!
Is it "non-canon"?! - Just like when Wesley Crusher mentioned that the klingons were members of the federation?! Or when Khan remembered Chekov`s face. Or the borg babies?!
You guys dream of a "canon" which hasn`t really ever existed...
SuperJuliusC 2 months ago 2
Rura penthe is supposed to be a desolate ice world. Rgardless of whether the past was reset with a new reality by Nero somethings should be left the same. And the klingons wearing masks sounds like they are trying to hide their identity. Not very honorable. There are some tings JJ neds to leave alone.
RigTig16 1 year ago
why was all this cut out the film, its a key plot line about what happened to nero his crew and the narada between it being crippled and then next being seen, that and its a cool view on nero
maxilos1987 1 year ago
Okay... was that not the most un-klingon negotiation session we've EVER seen or what ?
2Scribble 1 year ago 26
@2Scribble
Canon? What Canon. This is the new Trek.
:/
stuntaneous 10 months ago
@stuntaneous No, there is the syndicated canon and the Blockbuster canon.
alextoob1 10 months ago
@alextoob1 In this case they were one and the same. The blockbuster movie Star Trek VI: established Rura Penthe as an ice Asteroid. No warmth, no hope, no mercy. And no one has ever escaped except Kirk and McCoy. But the Klingons allowed them to escape, in order to have an excuse to kill them.
BondFreek 9 months ago
@2Scribble Chang would have negotiated like that. Worf probably would have too, if he decided to not play up his "Have I mentioned my heritage yet today?" disorder.
vp21ct 2 months ago
@2Scribble Klingons arn't dumb - they were increasingly portrayed this way in later Star Trek shows - but a species could not build starships and run a massive empire by being idiots.
Star Trek VI, as well as the TOS episodes involving Klingons, are the best representation.
LazarusRemains 2 weeks ago
@LazarusRemains I never said Klingons were dumb, what I said was that THAT was the most un-klingon interrogation I've ever seen. WHY did they suddenly stop investigating the ship THEMSELVES and go like 'okay.. NOW we'll ask the Romulans that were flying it how the ship works' :P I mean they had it - THEMSELVES - for almost 15 years... the scene makes no sense and MAKES the Klingons look dumb
2Scribble 2 weeks ago
It would have been a monumental failure to have had this scene in the movie.
JJ had a good idea but in the end it would have caused to many questions regarding what the hell were the Klingons doing with an advanced ship for so long and not take advantage.
What this shows is they waited 20 years to interrogate him? That's uber lame. Better to have shown the ship take out the Klingon fleet instead of surrender.
meeshmosh2000 1 year ago
@meeshmosh2000 Klingons waiting 20 years Nero waiting 20 years, what's the difference? Both plot holes suck just as much.
BondFreek 1 year ago 3
@BondFreek i take it your a "veteran" trek fan...
dega 11 months ago
@dega I object, that's irrelevant & immaterial. The Movie was bad period. Forget for a moment that they got all the characters & the science completely wrong. Nero was a 2 dimensional villain filled with every dumb line a Saturday morning serial villain would say & do. Kirk should have never been allowed in Starfleet because of his criminal record, let alone be given command of the flag ship. McCoy=Dr. Zoidburg, Uhura= Slut, Vulcans lie about having control of their emotions. Need I go on?
BondFreek 11 months ago
@BondFreek i wasnt judging you or anything sor forgive me if i came accross as offensive.
i cabn kinda see your point. im kinda new to star trek (been in love with star wars all my life). about 2 years ago i watched all of STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE and LOVED it. ive seen a good few episodes of Voyager but im notup to that yet. im up to season 5 of The Next Generation and im watching TOS inbetween. {got all the star trek series on dvd ready to watch :]) and i can see how people hate some of the new
dega 11 months ago
@BondFreek star trek material such as ENTERPRISE and STAR TREK.
i understand how the hardcore trek fans tear them to peices in comparrisson to the old ones. but
what i dont understand however is why they dont just accept that this movie despite its lore, is damn entertaining and beautifully made! $150 Million dollars WELL spent i must say :P
on another note. when a new star trek series comes out (its only a matter of time) i dread to see the veterans tear it apart and not give it a chance!
dega 11 months ago
@dega. That's because no one has taught you how to watch a movie objectively. The movie is not well made. The Story has multiple holes in it, the plot line is inconsistent with its self, the screen play was written to include as many catch phrases & retro story points as possible, the story uses all the Star WARS movies as a template (R2-D2 is even in two different scenes), the picture is so cluttered with lens flares & shaky camera shots that you can't see the actors performance, Excreta...
BondFreek 11 months ago
@dega. I'm first a movie fan. I have studied fill for over 30 years. I know all the doo's and don'ts in film making. ST:XI did not follow the first rule of film making "Make it your own." By taking everything from other movies and TV shows there was little or nothing left that was truly original and reflected the filmmakers’ talents. Example: Nero's personality =Ming the Merciless, Nero's Motive= The Punisher, Nero's look = Darth Maul. I always give new movies and TV shows a fair chance.
BondFreek 11 months ago
@BondFreek GLAD TO SEE SOMEONE GIVES THEM A CHANCE!!!
im sick of all the old TOS/TNG only fans who ridicule all the other new stuff just for simply being new, more action packed and more fast paced simply because its aimed at the modern audience and notjust them .¬_¬
dega 11 months ago
@dega
i think you misunderstand those so called TOS/TNG only fans ... as they gave DS9 and hell, even VOY their chance, though the latter was in many ways supposed to be like the original it turned out to be just stupid resetable action! but going back and rewriting history isn't something NEW at all, it just butchers what has been before in a most disgusting way, and left us with a lens-flare overkilled, badly directed, action packed, plot-less movie whose only connection to trek is its name!
Medhiv83 11 months ago
@dega
also i would like to see someone reimagining shakespeare stuff, ohh and the bible, and while we're at it every freakin piece of literature! star trek, like star wars has left the ranks of conventional tv shows/movies a long time ago and entered our very culture ... how else can you explain people knowing who spock, kirk, data, picard are even though they had never really seen a trek episode?
Medhiv83 11 months ago
@Medhiv83 if you do not know the names spock and kirk atleast. then your simply not a star trek fan
dega 11 months ago
Why was this scene deleted??????? It is EXCELLENT!
toma419 1 year ago
Man,these guys were IDIOTS to remove this from the movie.
dubbified 1 year ago
I wonder if the klingons wear the faceplates because their bodies are being treated with klingon dna to reshape them back to pre-Enterprise looking klingons instead of the TOS era human looking klingons. Maybe they are ugly as hell at this point in the treatment. My guess is the next movie will explain why they wear masks and their true appearance will be revealled. They probably will look human but have one distinctive cranial ridge on their forehead. Not as defined as TNG era klingons.
09kolmann 1 year ago
@09kolmann They were wearing masks because they are descendents of DARTH VADER. LOL All kidding aside the reason they were wearing masks is that Jar Jar wanted them to look more evil. In real Star Trek a Klingon warrior never wears a mask, it is a dishonorable thing to do.
Trekfreek 1 year ago
klingons are way more badass than what was presented in this clip, glad they deleted it.
kuryamtl 1 year ago
@kuryamtl They should have deleted the whole movie and started over with DC Fontana as their head writer, and Nickolas Myer or Jonathan Frakes as the director.
Trekfreek 1 year ago
@Trekfreek Agreed. Or Mr. Nimoy as the director
If DC Fontana was head writer, and we got a good Star Trek director, this could have been the best movie out there
As it is, we got writers who don't understand Star Trek and a director who says he likes Star Wars better (not kidding, he said it at a ST con) and is addicted to lense flares BLEH. And why, Why, WHY did they give Vulcan a *blue* sky? Vulcan is supposed to have a *red* sky!
The flaws in this movie are almost too many to count
StoneKnivesBearskins 1 year ago
@StoneKnivesBearskins Don't get me wrong. I do like the movie. I enjoy watching it occasionally. It's a good movie, just not a good Star Trek movie.
It's Star Wars with Star Trek characters trying to fit into a Star Trek universe, but can't because it isn't cerebral enough.
StoneKnivesBearskins 1 year ago
@StoneKnivesBearskins I would not say it's a good movie, but for some it's a guilty pleasure. Like the Godzilla movies are for me, BAD movies but I really like them.
Trekfreek 1 year ago
@Trekfreek Shhhhhh. You just voiced my general feelings on the movie. I don't want to give that away,
Actually, I will admit that I reall enjoy it, just not as Star Trek.
I think of it more as a Star Wars movie which tried to get better by adding Mr. Spock and the rest of the crew.
StoneKnivesBearskins 1 year ago
@Trekfreek DC Fontana would have been awesome. She is a fantastic writer. I have to say that while it was an enjoyable movie, it really didn't have the star trek feel to movie, it was just a generic action movie. I was disappointed by it. While the other star trek films, were never as popular, they still had the essence of star trek and what made it enjoyable viewing (except for the 10th, as much as I LOVE TNG, the 10th one really could have been better).
kuryamtl 1 year ago 2
@kuryamtl Ya, 10 was disappointing but at least it was Star Trek, unlike this one.
Trekfreek 1 year ago 2
This scene had a lot of potential and would have been really awesome if it had been streamlined and the Klingon did'nt reveal so many plot points.
forrestorocks 1 year ago
“Nero... We are your fathers!” (Heavy breathing). Nero's advanced ship in orbit over a prison mining asteroid instead of being at a Klingon research center. What happened did they run out of room and Borg tech is less advanced then the Tech they are working on? Why did Nero wait 25 years to escape? Is he clairvoyant and knew when Old Spock was coming through, and is he into slave labor? This movie is so bad; I can't stop commenting about it. To me it's like inching powder in my shirt.
Trekfreek 1 year ago
Is it weird I find Nero attractive?
AFL489 1 year ago
This clip is missing the Imperial March aka Darth Vader's song. It should be renamed Vader's clones.
Trekfreek 1 year ago
Hero was hot without his shirt!!
andipoetic 1 year ago
I thought Klingons took no prisoners.
Bla31n 1 year ago 18
@Bla31n Forgot Startrek VI and the Klingon Prision there? Bisides that Nero told the Klingons that he came from the future, so its more clever keep him to get information that could help the Empire destroy the federation instead of just kill him.
Klingons are not mindless creatures, my friend, see Chang for exemple.
ettore666 8 months ago
@ettore666 So Nero told the Klingons he was from the future? What a dumb ass; Yet another reason to hate this movie.
BondFreek 8 months ago
@BondFreek If you would have listened... you would have noted that Nero had notes, another kept them, and they were found... he actually did not tell them.
Katzentatze 7 months ago
@BondFreek He is a romulan, If he said nothing they would destroy, or try to destroy, the Narada and you know how romulans are. Also he wanted to stay alive to get revange from spock.
Agreed, the money they spend on this movie could be better used making another ST series like TNG or a much better movie.
ettore666 7 months ago
@Bla31n obviously you've never watched star trek 6
EPICT0ASTER 6 months ago 8
@Bla31n They do seme to use them as slaves... so... lets say slaves to sooth the happynerve.
voices3d 2 months ago
@Bla31n Admiral Kirk was apparently wrong.
theknightswhosayfrak 2 months ago
Glad they deleted this scene. Don't like what they did with the Klingons.
TheTrueObelus 1 year ago
This looks so terribly cheap... Every TV episode looked better.
XavierStorma 1 year ago 2
@XavierStorma
That's because it's a deleted scene. It hasn't been fully edited and completed.
CovePointProductions 1 year ago
@XavierStorma U SRS?
MoonarEclipse 1 year ago
The Klingons need to be the bad guys in the next movie. It's been too long since we had some good Klingon baddies.
patsfreak 1 year ago
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Bla31n 1 year ago
Interrogate Nero by tickling him!!
AFL489 1 year ago
Wish they kept these......
Austindude3954 1 year ago
The Klingon is probably speaking in English to Nero because he doesn't speak Romulan or expect Nero to speak Klingon. I doubt your typical Klingon bird of prey driving officer speaks English considering the Federation and Klingons are not allies yet. It might be safe to assume that this is an educated Klingon interpretor or maybe the warden himself. Not all Klingons are idiots.
As far as Rura Penthe is concerned. It is a planet, there might be multple penal colonies on a planet.
ravager135 1 year ago
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Bla31n 1 year ago
nero is hot!!!!!
silaku 1 year ago
@Aurdos correct. he sounds like a caveman or something
silaku 1 year ago
this can't be right, rura penthe is an ice planet. it might be ty'gokor.
silaku 1 year ago
When and what part of the movie was this in? or was it cut out
aurora7054 1 year ago
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Bla31n 1 year ago
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Bla31n 1 year ago
Isn't Rura Penthe supposed to be very cold?
MrBennetzen 1 year ago 3
Can someone fill me in as to how the Klingons captured Nero and his ship, while in the movie it's said that forty klingon ships were destroyed by Nero's ship? I have not seen all the deleted scenes, so please forgive my inquiry.
Thechad201 1 year ago
@Thechad201 I think (I could be wrong) when the USS Kelvin rammed into the Narada it must of crippled it. The Klingons must of also seen the space anomaly on their sensors and investigated, boarded and captured the crew. When Nero escaped either the Kilingons sent an armada to stop him or he desired revenge and took out an entire defense fleet.
UltimateDeliciousPie 1 year ago
@UltimateDeliciousPie Thank you, that sounds like a plausible explanation.
Thechad201 1 year ago
@Thechad201
The scene where the KLingons attack Neros ship is also here on youtube.
Exverlobter 1 year ago
this could be part of star trek 2!!
333crazymonkey 1 year ago
I thought watching these deleted scenes would make this terrible film make more sense...They REALLY don't.
crake2 1 year ago
Err, so, how'd he get his ship back? If the Klingons had it for 20 years, couldn't they adapt the more advanced technology to cause trouble? And before you point out this was deleted, the events depicted were referenced by Uhura to her room mate, though a lot of you were probably distracted by Zoe Saldana and that green chick running around in their underwear at the time. I know I was the first time I saw it.
wiseass2147 1 year ago
@wiseass2147 I think that this really happened in the story, but they took it out because the Klingon told us the plot.
waffleownage 1 year ago
Any of you guys think that Klingon at 0:48 was Worf's ancestor?
kalel32688 1 year ago
Wasn't Worf's ancestor (at this time) the attorney in Star Trek 6 at Kirk and McCoy's trial? I thought that was always the joke because he played his own grandfather.
Kuroidokuro 1 year ago
@kalel32688 I think it was the actor of worf playing him maybe he was meant to be his ancestor im sad they cut this out because this scene and worfs ancestor wr awesome
Chrisindapurplehouse 1 year ago
Those masks remind me of the Hirogen. The "warrior" race in the Delta Quadrant, from Voyager.
StickManThePan 2 years ago
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What franchise will JJ butcher next? Maybe Sherlock Holmes can be Hindu and take place is Sri Lanka?
It has already been established that Rura Penthe is inhospitable on the surface, especially at night. So then why is Nero shirtless? Oh yeah, that's for the ladies in the audience & for some of you guys, too. {I don't want to leave anyone out...in the cold. lol}
Again, bad script, direction, and movie.
D-
fmscribs 2 years ago
I think the reason he left it out was because he knew he messed up
trekeee 2 years ago
@fmscribs maybe the mine was in a volcanic area so itd be quite hot
Chrisindapurplehouse 1 year ago
@Chrisindapurplehouse
" maybe the mine was in a volcanic area so itd be quite hot "
I say, "Yeah, right !"
fmscribs 1 year ago
@fmscribs regardless of my explainations this scene is none canon by the mere fact that its a deleted scene therefore theres no reason to argue about the logistics because this didnt happen in the movie
Chrisindapurplehouse 1 year ago
black klingon at :48 lol
nddavi58 2 years ago
The interrogator is actually played by canadian actor Victor Garber who also played Jack Bristow in Alias. Memory Alpha (the Star Trek wiki) has a picture of Garber taken between takes that reveals the klingon makeup under the mask.
Hrodebeort 2 years ago
@Hrodebeort yeah but he dosnt sound very "klingon"....
lordinti 2 years ago
@USSDaedalus did anyone notice that the weapons that nero and his men have when james t kirk encounters them look more klingon than the romulan design which is simplistic
species6339 2 years ago
So the Klingons captured the Narada and it's crew? Then put them in Rura Penthe for 20 years? What happened to the Narada in that time? And we are supposed to believe Nero and his crew escaped and got their super powerful ship back? Something is missing here.
Kodos1 2 years ago
@Kodos1 JJ said that he shot a whole film with that explained but he decided to cut it out because the movie would have run 3+ hours too long LOL but not for hard core fans like us LOL! i wan2 see that version :-p
lordinti 2 years ago
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"JJ said that he shot a whole film with that explained but he decided to cut it out because the movie would have run 3+ hours too long LOL but not for hard core fans like us LOL! i wan2 see that version"
Great, just great.
Instead of a crappy 2 + hour movie it would have been a crappy 3 + hour movie. I think I would have blown my head off it it went any longer.
fmscribs 1 year ago
@Kodos1
Yes something is missing here. However this scnene should have been in the movie. Without is does not make any sense at all. Without this scene we're supposed to believe that Nero waits more than 20 years on this ship until the plot continues. Must have been boring in those years. With the KLingon scene we now that he spent those years in prison
Exverlobter 1 year ago
@Exverlobter Actually there are plenty of other plot devices the writers could have used to explain what Nero was doing for 20 years. If you know anything about Einstein's theories on space travel Nero and his crew could have traveled at the speed of light for only a few years while 20 years past for the outside world. I don't know all the details about it but Einstein said if you travel at the speed of light time slows down for you.
Kodos1 1 year ago
@Kodos1 There are other problems with travelling at close speed to speed of light.. like mass. Closer you are to the speed of light, heavier you are... and Im not talking about some few kilos more.. I'm talking about huge multipliers. And these 'mass multipliers' or how to call it, are raising extremely fast more close you are to that speed.
mass= mass[when you are not moving] / 1- √velocity^2 / speed of light^2 so this is a big ouchie.. (hopefully I wrote it right..)
Sunshrine2 1 year ago
@Sunshrine2 That is an interesting point but obviously in the Star Trek universe they have solved problems like this otherwise they wouldn't have things like Warp Drive or Sub-Light Speed. LOL!
My point was there were many ways to explain where Nero and his mind were for 20 years if you know a little bit about space travel. Suspended Animation could have been another possibility.
Kodos1 1 year ago
@Kodos1 Suspended animation? Nah that too not 'trekish' , and ehm Sub-Light speed means eh.. every speed under the speed of light... (sub = under < , sub-space = they possibly mean a space with lower count of dimensions, sub is opposite to hyper)
But yeah they could do it better
Sunshrine2 1 year ago
How exactly was Nero captured when his ship was so powerful? In the movie it wiped out a fleet of Klingon ships and a fleet of Federation Star ships. I don't get it. If the Narada was so powerful how did Nero end up in the hands of the Kilngons?
Kodos1 2 years ago
The Narada was vulnerable after the Kevin crashed into it.
CaptainPositron 2 years ago
There's a comic called "Nero". Go read it...
KronnangDunn 2 years ago
@Kodos1 you forget that the narada had just been rammed by a ship so it was dammaged, weapons and shields probably offline, in the fufte when the enterprise meets the narada it was repaired and im sure one missle could take out 2 klingon battle cruisers :-p
lordinti 2 years ago
Rura penthe wasnt a planet it was a astroroid as stated by the klingon judge on star trek six so maybe depending on the astroroids position in space it would have different climates also think abrams was taking into acount the klingons underwent a physical change due to a experiment on star trek enterprise that altered their apperance thats why the klingons on the origanal series look differnent
gmcd123 2 years ago
gmcd123,
Asteroids are smaller then Pluto which is no longer listed as a planet. The climate on an asteroid would be the same all over it because of its size and distance from the sun. (Elementary astrophysics)
BondFreek 2 years ago
@gmcd123 I agree and hence the helmets to add the "ridges" that we are fermiliar with from DS9, TNG, Voyager, and even enerprise until the experiment. BTW i like that explination to why the klingons dont have ridges :-p
lordinti 2 years ago
@gmcd123
Jesus Ch**t, we all know why the Klingons looked the way they did in TOS. It's because of it's LOW budget. Nothing more, nothing less. That's why in DS9's episode "Trials & Tribblations" it was kind of jokingly blow off by Worf saying something to the affect, "we don't talk about it..."
This was shot outside to save $ and to show off Mr. Bana's physique for the ladies in the audience. JJ had to balance out all the women, in bras, from earlier in the flick.
fmscribs 1 year ago
A prison planet run by Darth Vader clones.
In the next movie they will have federation rehabilitation colonies run by C3POs.
BondFreek 2 years ago
While I find it silly that a romulan miner is able to defeat 2 klingon guards in hand to hand combat, I do like the way Abrams portrays the Klingons here.
In Voyager and Enterprise the Klingons were little more than cavemen, this is more like TOS->TNG->DS9 where Klingons are actually an intelligent, if somewhat brutal, race - not illiterate psychopaths
override367 2 years ago
@override367
The romulans are an aggressive species like the Klingons. Why should Nero not be able to beat 2 Klingons?
Exverlobter 1 year ago
first of all klingons werent this nice in interrogations, and secondly: rura penthe was an ice planet
stringerboi 2 years ago 25
@stringerboi i agree with A but with b, like GMCD says above in JJ's world since EVERYTHING is changed the climate on Rura Penthe could have been changed as well
lordinti 2 years ago
@stringerboi different era different Klingons some klingons have more human characteristics due to genetic engineering to learn how to think like their enemy also they probly figured violence wont get them anywhere with a mind like neros also this was a bit before the planet was seen in the original its possible its environment changed inbetween the movies also the prison is so vast maybe it runs through warmer climates as well as colder planets dont have to have just one climate look at earth
Chrisindapurplehouse 1 year ago
@stringerboi
"Nice in interrogations"???
Nero lost his ear and was threatened by this slug thing.
Klingons were not that nice, lol
Exverlobter 1 year ago
@Exverlobter old time klingons woulda torn him apart and tortured him daily just for sport. the slug thing is bullcrap and his ear---i woulda expected nothing but scars all over neros body and him lacking appendages
stringerboi 1 year ago
@stringerboi If this star trek movie took place in an parallel universe (assuming spock and nero travelled through the black hole into a different universe( then rura penthe can be a hot planet and delta vega can be an ice planet.
09kolmann 1 year ago
@09kolmann If that were the case, why Vulcan not a green and lush planet, and Earth not a desert planet?
This was an interesting scene, but it would have added even more horrible flaws to the already flawed movie.
StoneKnivesBearskins 1 year ago
Tres Jolie ^^
lips555so 2 years ago
I'm completely shallow, (& gonna borrow a phrase I just saw the other day which can only describe how I felt) 'my labia clapped' when they panned up Nero's naked torso!
For the love of god why was it not slow motioned?
I demand more half naked Nero prisoner mining!
dollie1223 2 years ago
I agree, the world needs much more half-naked Nero in general though.
Not gonna lie, when I watched this on the DVD, I literally paused it at his feet and stepped it up that oh so nummy body of his, like five or six times.
ItsQueenBecky2U 2 years ago
I heard the 4 eyed guy was shatner
WowWhatsNot 2 years ago
Who played the four-eyed guy ?I heard it was Matt Damon in a cameo
Cuthbertslookout 2 years ago
i heard it was barrack obama
socarulz 2 years ago 3
very cool especially the guy with 4eyes,not quite a tribble but interesting nonetheless
Cuthbertslookout 2 years ago
Nero's eyes look animalistic when the centurian slugs are placed on the table. Gave me the chills!
LiviJones 2 years ago
This scene should never have been deleted from the film.. It builds so much more depth into Nero.
soyziea 2 years ago 5
So that's what happened.
BoxxyFan 2 years ago
Bondosan7777 - I agree with you.
The scene itself is a really good scene, but by putting it right at the start it gives far too much away about who Nero is and what he's going to do.
It was clearly cut in order to protect an intended sense of mystery over Nero.
gormogon77 2 years ago 3
Was the helmet-thing a way to get around the ridge-delima for the newcomer? Since Klingons had ridges in ENT and TNG/DS9 but not in TOS? Even though this was expained in ENT as being caused by Augment virus, i'm sure the novice wouldn't know that
mythme 2 years ago
I think it's deeper than that. If they're using the ENT explanation, then it is out of shame that the Klingons are wearing helmets with head and nose ridges. Also, remember that this takes place sooner than the original series did, so there is time for the Klingons to get over that shame and lose the helmets.
MajorDiarriah 2 years ago
@MajorDiarriah yes but still klingons are a PROUD people and Trekkie will tell you that. Klingons hold grudges for a long time (look at Riker and Worf in the Series Finale of TNG, LOL!) so I know if I was a klingon, i would still be bitter, and i couldnt have been THAT long after the augment incident, because SCOTTY mentions ADMERIAL ARCHER'S Beagle, im sure the same Jonathan Archer from ENT.
lordinti 2 years ago
Except in the original time line they did get over their looks and go bear faced and since the new movie takes place earlier than the original series, there is still time to remove the masks. But being an alternate reality, perhaps the masks will become even more ornate. {{:-)
MajorDiarriah 2 years ago
Thank you sooooo much for posting this!
A bit too much extrapolation - could have been nice with a bit of cleanup, but I am verysad it was cut.
My only problem with the scenario is that I can't imagine Narada being very intact if the Klingons had it in their possession for 25 years... And how did Nero and Co get it back?
elanya72 2 years ago