@Phonophan79 Thanks for that clarification. I'm reading the definitive Diamond Disc book and it notes that the long play discs held 5.625 minutes of recording per inch. I guess the author must have counted two opposite radii of groove length instead of one. Man, then the 12" had 40 min per side! Imagine if Edison liked jazz!
Edison was a genius inventor, but a dismally tasteless record label president.
In his defense, when RCA Victor tried putting out 33rpm records in the 30's (called "Program Transcriptions"), very few of them were more than reissues of recordings already in the Victor catalog. I have one 12" set of a Shostakovich piece, but for the most part, RCA missed the same boat Edison did.
Since it's a 78, how is this achieved? Groove cramming? It's great, and btw, I play my regular Edison DD's on a stereo, using a diamond stylus (gotta be stereo to play the vertical cut!)
How interesting! No, I don't have to do anything - I just plunk (well, not plunk) down the tone arm. By the way - I use an LP diamond needle - the 78 stylus I have is too wide!
Wtih 400 lines to the inch, Edison's long playing discs were NOTORIOUSLY prone to skipping, even with the long playing stylus, that you have.
My advice: use an electric turntable, say a high quality DJ set with an adjustable weight, with the blue and white wires, say in a four wire cartridge, reversed. This way, you can digitize them without screwing over the grooves, if you've set the weight to as minimal as possible
@Phonophan79 Vertical cut records will play well on modern phonos if the cartridge is magnetic type, no polarity change is necessary. Using crystal cartridges (piezoelectric) it may play, but with reduced volume.
There is no electricity used at all. The spring motor is hand cranked. ...the horn is behind the grill with the ornate designwork on the middle of the cabinet.
i must say i think the sound quality is really pleasing to the ear (my ears anyway) i'm 23 almost 24 and i have always chosen lp's over cd's because of there more warm and natural sound, infact with the loudness war over cd's going at the moment, i'm going to be buying lp's instead of cd's now, anyways beautiful sound and system, jamespw22
James, not that I disagree with anything you've said because I agree that LPs sound better than digital formats but just to clarify... this is not a 33 RPM LP, this is an Edison Diamond Disc LP (80 RPM). Edison invented a "long play" disc at least 25 years before the 33 RPM LP came to the mainstream... but unfortunately when he made this in 1926/27 it was too late for Edison in the phonograph business.
Very nice to actually hear one, as above mentioned, some people have the records, some have the machines, but to hear them combined, is a treat, I was very impressed by the sound quality. I make Cylinder recordings and phonogram blanks.
If you're impressed by the sound quality of this LP whose grooves are spaced even closer together than those of your usual 33 1/3, it's because Edison used vertical cutting. I have a regular DD record which plays fine on a modern stereo. I'd really like to find this record and play it on my stereo, but it must be really rare!
I'm so jealous! Same here; I never thought the LP's would sound as good as they do here! I have a C-150 from 1918, so you can understand how I had never heard one before.
Is the record 24 minutes in total length or 24 minutes per side?
bobthefishguy 1 year ago
@bobthefishguy per side.
Phonophan79 1 year ago
@Phonophan79 Thanks for that clarification. I'm reading the definitive Diamond Disc book and it notes that the long play discs held 5.625 minutes of recording per inch. I guess the author must have counted two opposite radii of groove length instead of one. Man, then the 12" had 40 min per side! Imagine if Edison liked jazz!
bobthefishguy 1 year ago
Edison was a genius inventor, but a dismally tasteless record label president.
In his defense, when RCA Victor tried putting out 33rpm records in the 30's (called "Program Transcriptions"), very few of them were more than reissues of recordings already in the Victor catalog. I have one 12" set of a Shostakovich piece, but for the most part, RCA missed the same boat Edison did.
esroberto1 2 years ago
And weird Edison did not get the idea to record a complete symphony or opera....
otterhouse 2 years ago
Since it's a 78, how is this achieved? Groove cramming? It's great, and btw, I play my regular Edison DD's on a stereo, using a diamond stylus (gotta be stereo to play the vertical cut!)
luvmyrecords 2 years ago
Yup! There are 400 lines per inch, more than a modern LP. Do you have to reverse the polarity on the modern stereo?
Phonophan79 2 years ago
How interesting! No, I don't have to do anything - I just plunk (well, not plunk) down the tone arm. By the way - I use an LP diamond needle - the 78 stylus I have is too wide!
luvmyrecords 2 years ago
@Phonophan79
Wtih 400 lines to the inch, Edison's long playing discs were NOTORIOUSLY prone to skipping, even with the long playing stylus, that you have.
My advice: use an electric turntable, say a high quality DJ set with an adjustable weight, with the blue and white wires, say in a four wire cartridge, reversed. This way, you can digitize them without screwing over the grooves, if you've set the weight to as minimal as possible
RICKROLLBLENDER 1 year ago
@Phonophan79 Vertical cut records will play well on modern phonos if the cartridge is magnetic type, no polarity change is necessary. Using crystal cartridges (piezoelectric) it may play, but with reduced volume.
PKamargo 9 months ago
is this electronicaly amplifyed, or is the stylus hooked up to a big horn
windoes98se 3 years ago
There is no electricity used at all. The spring motor is hand cranked. ...the horn is behind the grill with the ornate designwork on the middle of the cabinet.
Phonophan79 3 years ago
i must say i think the sound quality is really pleasing to the ear (my ears anyway) i'm 23 almost 24 and i have always chosen lp's over cd's because of there more warm and natural sound, infact with the loudness war over cd's going at the moment, i'm going to be buying lp's instead of cd's now, anyways beautiful sound and system, jamespw22
jamespw22 2 years ago
James, not that I disagree with anything you've said because I agree that LPs sound better than digital formats but just to clarify... this is not a 33 RPM LP, this is an Edison Diamond Disc LP (80 RPM). Edison invented a "long play" disc at least 25 years before the 33 RPM LP came to the mainstream... but unfortunately when he made this in 1926/27 it was too late for Edison in the phonograph business.
Phonophan79 2 years ago
Very nice to actually hear one, as above mentioned, some people have the records, some have the machines, but to hear them combined, is a treat, I was very impressed by the sound quality. I make Cylinder recordings and phonogram blanks.
darksound1973 3 years ago
If you're impressed by the sound quality of this LP whose grooves are spaced even closer together than those of your usual 33 1/3, it's because Edison used vertical cutting. I have a regular DD record which plays fine on a modern stereo. I'd really like to find this record and play it on my stereo, but it must be really rare!
m2esectr 3 years ago
You have my curiosity peaked! I have all the Edison L.P.'s but have rarely played any of them...and I bought them new--from a dealer's old stock.
gmmix 3 years ago
I'm so jealous! Same here; I never thought the LP's would sound as good as they do here! I have a C-150 from 1918, so you can understand how I had never heard one before.
Jpmadore1 4 years ago
Nice machine, I never seen a Edison LP model before...very nice and interesting. sounds very good.
calumettv 4 years ago
I love it! It doesn't sound as bad as I would have expected the LP to be. Awsome record too. Im a big fan of G&S.
Nice one D!
gramophoneshane 4 years ago