alright puptartz and sublex let me clear this up for the 2 of you: if a someone forces himself sexual on a minor it is rape and is illegal if someone has consensual sex wiht a minor it is illegal. it isn't exactly righteous in my opinion because some ppl were just born different than others wiht different likes
and last of all, when someone disguising as a minor to lure a pedophile out, they're just trying to keep them from getting a minor in the future.
gee thanx for saying the same thing I've been saying for days...except for the bs about people being dif. a minor cant have consensual sex...end of story...to young to consent and so its illegal. the adult is supposed to know better.
ur just looking for someone to talk to cause u know u arent even on the same page as me. whos talking about a 17 yr old? and in the u.s. a 17 yr old cant drink and who cares if a 17 yr old has sex with a 17 yr old? we're talking about people who have sex with people much younger - minors - and dont come back with like a 50 yr old who has sex with a 25 yr old cause we're talking bout kids. its the little kid who cant make a informed decision and adults know it and should leave kids alone.
Okay, what's wrong with informing your kids about the dangers?
Are the parents really that irresponsible that they don't even know what the kids are doing online?
'its the little kid who cant make a informed decision and adults know it and should leave kids alone.' - the little kids can make an informed decision - which is why the parents should be there, to help them.
Seriously. What's wrong with parent's educating their kids?
no its not entrapment cause these guys r peds. dont u get it? there going after kids and its there tough luck they found an adult by mistake. and like wut fraud??? cops do stings all the time to keep the criminals from hurting regular people and she works with the fbi. if ur gonna say something at least try and know wuts going on.
These guys may not yet be pedophiles. They could simply be considering it - therefore thoughtcrime, 1984, etc.
Plus, intent is very different. There, they actually are pretty sure it will go through - the criminal shows up at the location, has brought a gun, getaway car and so on.
And I'd like to think I do know what's going on with entrapment, otherwise someone here would have long disarmed my arguments.
thoughtcrime???? If u know wut ur talking about how come u don't know that all the guys this lady chats with shows up to meet her for sex thinking shes just a kid??
first off i guess u never heard of people getting convictions for intent? like when they get people who are planning to do a crime and they arrest them before it happens? ur saying that if someone sits there in front of a criminal and the criminal does something to them its the persons fault for being there? i think ur a ped cause all you do is come up with things to defend them. cops do things all the time to get ciminals before they commit real crimes an this lady is doing the same thing!
Yes, but if this lady is not a cop, and she's doing cop=like things, that's called vigilance - which I believe is illegal.
Also, intent is very different. The police actually are pretty sure that the person will commit the crime (for example - they will be at the bank, with a gun). Here, it's all speculation.
u think u cant be a ped if ur underage? u really dont know anything. an shes working with the cops the whole time so shes not a vigilante. u should probably watch the show so u know wut ur talking about. u just keep making comments that dont apply to this lady.
If ur 15 and u have sex with an 8 year old ur a ped. And the way you talk about entrapment is making it to obvious that ur only interested in defending peds. u act like everything cops do to catch peds is entrapment. if there wasnt stings, alot of criminals would get away with there crimes. stings arent entrapment if the guy was gonna commit the crime and he gets caught first. its not like the lady is making guys go after kids. you think its immoral to do what she does?? ur a ped for sure!!
'And, I really don't think I can be a pedo if I'm underage. So if I have sex with someone else my age, do we both become pedophiles?'
The key sentence being 'have sex with someone else my age'. Not 15 - 8. 15-15. Do we both become pedos?
Oh, and during stings, the police do not actually encourage the crime bosses to commit the crimes - unlike this lady and the FBI in entrapment cases - where they urge the person on.
wow someone is pissed at the fbi for catching pedos. i wonder why...maybe u got caught...guess u couldnt convince the jury that ur not a pedo...rofl. dont u know that people cant be "urged" to want sex with a kid. only sickos want sex with a kid. thats why u need to get help so u can stop blaming everyone else and take responsibility for ur pathetic behavior.
So, if you can't choose ur kinks, it doesn't matter if someone puts a kid in front of u or not. if u go after a kid either way ur a pedo and that's that. putting a kid in front of you isn't entrapment. if someone kept pushing a kid at you over and over and over until you finally gave in it wuld be dif. but just cause a kid is online in the same room ur in and u go after her it's not entrapment. u keep saying it is so u sound like someone who goes after kids an is looking to blame cops.
Yes, but you're not going after a kid. The "kid" is going after you - and it's not even a real kid!
Okay, what is wrong with educating your kids about pedophiles? EVERYONE I know knows exactly what to do when approached by a stranger that's hitting on you online.
And you have to understand, that I'm not defending pedophiles. I'm saying that the method used to capture them is immoral.
unethical? only a pedo would be against having someone act like a kid to keep pedos from getting real kids. all u do is stick up for pedos. its so obvious. there is a law about illegal phone taps. theres no laws against stings. end of story. bye pedo!
Nah search warrents are good to have, and ultimately I think the pedophiles who go online to set up sex dates with young women, and/or young men know what they're getting into. What they're doing is illegal, and this whole thing is no different then wearing a wire when buying drugs. yeah its sort of exploiting the person breaking the law, but they're breaking the law, and should be arrested for it. call me crazy for thinking that way.
well correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they breaking the law by planning to do something. like for example the intent to sell drugs. you haven't sold the drugs yet, but you were planning to.
well this particular case on the video I don't think the guy has technically done anything wrong, but that is not the case with most online sex offenders.
Well there is another show that is based on doing this exact same thing. I forgot what it is called though alas.
And the victim depends entirely on your point of view. The victim could be the hypothetical girl the women is playing, or the victim could be the person she is deceiving.
well you asked for specific evidence, and the show has them, and also one could assume that the person knows the age of the person they are talking to, and one could also assume that doing anything with said person sexually or planning to do so is illegal. Also I rewatched the video up there, and it doesn't say the person she is talking to is a pedo per-say, but that they could turn out to be one.
Well no one is going to arrest said guy up there based on what they said so far, but things can go farther, and into a different place that easily, and thats when things get into a matter of legality.
You ask who the victim is? I say its this video. I mean dayum we took up a lot of space with our argument.
Well we could argue about whether or not its right or wrong until the end of time, but the police aren't really raising any red flags about it. So its going to be going on, and people are going to feel justified doing it. So for now I'll pull the "Agree to disagree" card, because this has really gone on too long.
if he is so against catching these guys that he keeps posting to defend them its obvious what his motives are. or hes just stupid and he needs to learn about intent.if we didnt have laws about intent lots of people would get hurt before we could arrest anyone.how about terrorists who plan to bomb places? is he against that to or is it ok cause its not about sex with kids. if u talk to someone about sex thinking its a kid an u show up to have sex ur plan is illegal an u shouldnt get away with it.
Okay, I've said this many times, so please, try and read my comments this time:
Terrorist bombs and stuff like that are fine, because they have received a warrant from a judge. More often than not, people like her don't have the warrants, and what they're doing should very well be illegal.
Furthermore, it's unethical, since there is NO victim.
Also, stop trying to call me a pedophile. I'm underage myself, so you'd probably have to wait a few years.
shes saying she IS a child. its not like shes saying shes 27 or only alluding. and its not banning all sex. only sex where you are soliciting someone who is clearly stating that they are minors.
ur wasting ur time. he/she's just looking for someone to talk to. he/she'll challenge anything u say. peds do that, ya know! of all things to be crying about, this dumbo has to go on all day defending creeps who have sex with kids. who else would do that but a ped?
ur too stupid to understand this situation, so why don't you go over to a page for children. I'm not wasting any more time coming here. u should read back ur moronic rationizations. u really r an idiot.
...says the person who can't even type correctly. I'm stupid? I can at least type coherent sentences, and I don't spend my time insulting the other person.
You've spent more time accusing me of being a pedophile, than you've actually spent defending your case.
And since you're not coming back here anymore, I guess I really don't have to be polite, and say:
You suck. Seriously. You suck really, really hard.
R. Stephanie Good is a great Asset to the preditor world. All of her cases she has had, ended up in jail. Keep it up Stephanie, one by one you are getting these creeps off the streets, making our kids lives a bit safer. She also has written some great books, One being about Natalee Holloway in aruba. Look her up, you'll enjoy the read. :)
Haha. But really, I completely support her efforts. I think it's funny someone mentioned it's unethical to bait people. But apparently violating a 12 year old girl isn't?
I got her book and she does just sit there and wait for peds to im her. she has the sn cause she wants to be sure peds know shes a kid. she also got a prof that says shes a kid so the only people who r gonna im her gotta be peds not normal guys. so she lies about her age. big deal. its better then the lies the peds r telling. its a undercover thing an when cops do stings there lying to. its how they get the criminals.
well when these guys show up thinking theres gonna be a kid to have sex with then there breakin the law. and how is she baiting them? by being there? she doesnt go after them she just sits there and they go after her.
So like if ur a kleptomaniac it's ok to steal? if your a sex addict it's ok to rape?if you don't have self control, does that make it ok to break the law? the thing is that the lady puts herself out there because if she isn't there the peds go after real kids. these creeps aren't "lured" to talk to minors. they don't have to im them. normal guys would leave kids alone. people who defend peds have something wrong with them too.
if these guys were normal it wouldn't matter if someone used a SN iwantursex and had a naked pic online. a normal guy would say hey kid ur to young get lost! if they are peds and they go after kids even if a kid says she wants it the ped is still breakin the law. dont u get it? if someone pushes u into a bank and puts a gun in ur hand if ur normal ur gonna drop the gun and run like hell. ur not gonna rob the place!! she was acting like a kid and peds went after her. she was savin kids!
Second, can we really choose our kinks? What if the peds were born with it, and couldn't change it? Similarly to sexual orientation?
I don't think so. You can try suppressing these urges, but if some guy drops something in front of you - can you really resist?
I'll use the diet argument again - if someone's on a diet, and you put chocolate in front of them with the intent of them getting fatter - is it really solely the fat guy's fault?
if he's like 40 and shes 12 duh yeah it's rape! and yeah if a ped gets fooled by going after someone he thinks is 14 and the person is 30 he's still breakin the law...to bad for him!
I can't believe some of ur comments! some kids buy into the rap these peds have and really think there gonna get all kinds of special presents if they meet. you dunno wut ur talking bout if you think its just like that that a kid who doesn't want sex won't go an meet these peds. peds con kids by offerin cell phones an cds an all sorts of stuff an they also lie an say there kids to. so the kid goes out to meet them an finds out there face to face with an old perv. IMO teen2hot4u is a hero!
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hey i read her book and she's so cool. she's been doing this before dateline was even on tv. she doesn't lure them in or anything. she just signs into chatrooms and waits. so what's wrong with that? some of the things i'm reading on here makes it sound like if a girl wears a short skirt it's her fault for getting raped. pervs are pervs. if you put a naked kid in front of a normal guy he's not going to touch her. my cuz was almost a victim of a dirtbag online who made himself sound so good!
That's probably just illegal/minor sex. But her screen name is Teen2Hot4u. I mean, really. If someone gave you their money, you would take it. And then you'd get arrested for thief.
That's probably just illegal/minor sex. But her screen name is Teen2Hot4u. I mean, really. If someone gave you their money, you would take it. And then you'd get arrested for thief.
This crap pisses me off. Especially "to catch a predator"...for God's sake, they used an 18 yr old hottie to lure the guys in...I agree with sublex, this crap is unethical.
Plus, kids who aren't interested in meeting for sex aren't going to talk to these pervs in the first place...
They might be sick, but they don't need to turn themselves in!
What is this, 1984? Every person who has EVER thought of hitting/killing someone should turn themselves in too, huh? Guess that covers just about all of us.
All I can say Sublex is you are one sick puppy. Get help now while you can. We can educate our kids all we want, but some just wont listen and have to learn the hard way. I'm sure you were one of them. Stephanie does this for a very good reason, read her book, you'll find out why. Stop being so foolish. Excuses get you no-where fast.
Okay, if I was abused by a pedo, do you really think I'd be supporting them?
And secondly, I've actually explained why I think baiting people is unethical - you haven't even come up with one point.
Really. No-one (yet) has challenged one of my points. Go ahead. If your side really is ethically correct, you should be able to prove it in debate - not all this, almost childish behaviour insulting me.
Hell yeah! If they are fucking perverts who hook the line then they deserve it. Those are the kind of guys who lure young girls & boys 2 rape and kill.
.. Okay. Do you REALLY thing a pedophile would go to some random person and say:
'Hey, are you a young underage child whom I could molest?'
>.> No, I think it'd start off with like, 'asl', whereas the baiter would say 'F/14/Cali' when they're really like the lady in the video 30 or something.
I'm going to assume you meant you weren't not about a diet.
And I know the topic isn't about healthy eating. That's why I used 'similarly'. I'm drawing a comparison, on a much lower level - something most of us can more easily relate to.
You are right I wasn't talking about a diet. If it's not fair.... why are these men in the chat rooms to begin with? Were they lured to log onto their com and go into the chat rooms too?
They weren't lured onto their computers and into the chat rooms (and they're not breaking any laws so far) but they are lured to 'cyber' with a minor - which IS breaking a law.
A grown adult is not lured into cyber chat with minors. You just sound like an idiot. A grown adult is not lured to try to meet with young girls or boys. they are fully aware of what they are doing. Unless they are caught they will continue to abuse minors.
I did a funny thing once. I pretended to be a 11 year old chick, and said i like to have fun and put an email up somewhere on the net. And it got 121 adds in the first day.
ok, i dont dig pigs but...id love that job haha filthy bastards takin advantage of kids online
well...tryin to
TheReeferMadness13 1 year ago
your doucehbag pigs at work
cobrachoppergirl 1 year ago
can we say entrapment
cobrachoppergirl 1 year ago
alright puptartz and sublex let me clear this up for the 2 of you: if a someone forces himself sexual on a minor it is rape and is illegal if someone has consensual sex wiht a minor it is illegal. it isn't exactly righteous in my opinion because some ppl were just born different than others wiht different likes
and last of all, when someone disguising as a minor to lure a pedophile out, they're just trying to keep them from getting a minor in the future.
hoped this helpd
reinforcedrabbit 3 years ago
Um - we already knew that. We arguing whether luring out the pedo is ethical. I think it's not, puptartz thinks I'm a pedophile.
I agree that the people have good intentions, but they have to play by the book. The FBI needs a search warrant before they can bust a house.
Oh, and you're wrong. If two underage people have consensual sex, it's also rape. Which is more or less an oxymoron. >.>
Sublex 3 years ago
gee thanx for saying the same thing I've been saying for days...except for the bs about people being dif. a minor cant have consensual sex...end of story...to young to consent and so its illegal. the adult is supposed to know better.
puptartz 3 years ago
So what - a 17 year old isn't free to have sex?
He can drink, drive, get a job in most countries, but he can't have sex? With another 17 year old?
They are perfectly capable to making up an informed decision.
Sublex 3 years ago
ur just looking for someone to talk to cause u know u arent even on the same page as me. whos talking about a 17 yr old? and in the u.s. a 17 yr old cant drink and who cares if a 17 yr old has sex with a 17 yr old? we're talking about people who have sex with people much younger - minors - and dont come back with like a 50 yr old who has sex with a 25 yr old cause we're talking bout kids. its the little kid who cant make a informed decision and adults know it and should leave kids alone.
puptartz 3 years ago
Okay, what's wrong with informing your kids about the dangers?
Are the parents really that irresponsible that they don't even know what the kids are doing online?
'its the little kid who cant make a informed decision and adults know it and should leave kids alone.' - the little kids can make an informed decision - which is why the parents should be there, to help them.
Seriously. What's wrong with parent's educating their kids?
Sublex 3 years ago 2
no its not entrapment cause these guys r peds. dont u get it? there going after kids and its there tough luck they found an adult by mistake. and like wut fraud??? cops do stings all the time to keep the criminals from hurting regular people and she works with the fbi. if ur gonna say something at least try and know wuts going on.
puptartz 3 years ago
These guys may not yet be pedophiles. They could simply be considering it - therefore thoughtcrime, 1984, etc.
Plus, intent is very different. There, they actually are pretty sure it will go through - the criminal shows up at the location, has brought a gun, getaway car and so on.
And I'd like to think I do know what's going on with entrapment, otherwise someone here would have long disarmed my arguments.
Sublex 3 years ago
thoughtcrime???? If u know wut ur talking about how come u don't know that all the guys this lady chats with shows up to meet her for sex thinking shes just a kid??
puptartz 3 years ago
Isn't that entrapment? And fraud? Although I hate pervs, I don't think that stuff is right.
mcdanielpress 3 years ago
oh and its vigilante and thats not what this lady is doing. she works WITH the fbi not on her own.
puptartz 3 years ago
Okay, I was unaware of that - even so, check out all the other arguments on the previous pages - disarm them all and I'll admit I'm wrong.
Sublex 3 years ago
ur already wrong about everything so who needs to prove anything to u. the only thing u proved on here is ur a ped. get some help!
puptartz 3 years ago
How am I wrong about everything? The one thing I was mistaken about was this lady working with the FBI - which this video does not state.
All my other points still stand, and I don't htink you've even touched upon them.
Sublex 3 years ago
first off i guess u never heard of people getting convictions for intent? like when they get people who are planning to do a crime and they arrest them before it happens? ur saying that if someone sits there in front of a criminal and the criminal does something to them its the persons fault for being there? i think ur a ped cause all you do is come up with things to defend them. cops do things all the time to get ciminals before they commit real crimes an this lady is doing the same thing!
puptartz 3 years ago
Yes, but if this lady is not a cop, and she's doing cop=like things, that's called vigilance - which I believe is illegal.
Also, intent is very different. The police actually are pretty sure that the person will commit the crime (for example - they will be at the bank, with a gun). Here, it's all speculation.
And I'm underage, so I can't really be a pedo.
Sublex 3 years ago
u think u cant be a ped if ur underage? u really dont know anything. an shes working with the cops the whole time so shes not a vigilante. u should probably watch the show so u know wut ur talking about. u just keep making comments that dont apply to this lady.
puptartz 3 years ago
Okay. Firstly, I'm not just talking about this entrapment in general - used by the FBI, police, these kinds of people.
It's all unethical.
And, I really don't think I can be a pedo if I'm underage. So if I have sex with someone else my age, do we both become pedophiles?
And even if she is working with the cops, it's immoral. Check the other pages. Seriously.
Sublex 3 years ago
If ur 15 and u have sex with an 8 year old ur a ped. And the way you talk about entrapment is making it to obvious that ur only interested in defending peds. u act like everything cops do to catch peds is entrapment. if there wasnt stings, alot of criminals would get away with there crimes. stings arent entrapment if the guy was gonna commit the crime and he gets caught first. its not like the lady is making guys go after kids. you think its immoral to do what she does?? ur a ped for sure!!
puptartz 3 years ago
'And, I really don't think I can be a pedo if I'm underage. So if I have sex with someone else my age, do we both become pedophiles?'
The key sentence being 'have sex with someone else my age'. Not 15 - 8. 15-15. Do we both become pedos?
Oh, and during stings, the police do not actually encourage the crime bosses to commit the crimes - unlike this lady and the FBI in entrapment cases - where they urge the person on.
Sublex 3 years ago
wow someone is pissed at the fbi for catching pedos. i wonder why...maybe u got caught...guess u couldnt convince the jury that ur not a pedo...rofl. dont u know that people cant be "urged" to want sex with a kid. only sickos want sex with a kid. thats why u need to get help so u can stop blaming everyone else and take responsibility for ur pathetic behavior.
puptartz 3 years ago
I'm not pissed off at the FBI for catching pedos - I'm pissed off at the method they use.
The FBI can't just break into houses without a warrant, and I don't think they should be able to entrap people either.
And stop calling me a pedophile. Seriously. And yes, people can be urged to have sex with a kid. What if we can't choose our kinks?
Say you're on a diet... etc. I'm sure I've told you this example many times.
Say - why do you ignore everything I say? All you do is call me a pedo. God.
Sublex 3 years ago
So, if you can't choose ur kinks, it doesn't matter if someone puts a kid in front of u or not. if u go after a kid either way ur a pedo and that's that. putting a kid in front of you isn't entrapment. if someone kept pushing a kid at you over and over and over until you finally gave in it wuld be dif. but just cause a kid is online in the same room ur in and u go after her it's not entrapment. u keep saying it is so u sound like someone who goes after kids an is looking to blame cops.
puptartz 3 years ago
Yes, but you're not going after a kid. The "kid" is going after you - and it's not even a real kid!
Okay, what is wrong with educating your kids about pedophiles? EVERYONE I know knows exactly what to do when approached by a stranger that's hitting on you online.
And you have to understand, that I'm not defending pedophiles. I'm saying that the method used to capture them is immoral.
Sublex 3 years ago
well if u care bout kids and u dont like pedos why r u pissed at the fbi for catching them???????????
puptartz 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Because it's unethical.
Same reason why there was huge outrage over the phone taps that didn't have warrants.
Sublex 3 years ago
unethical? only a pedo would be against having someone act like a kid to keep pedos from getting real kids. all u do is stick up for pedos. its so obvious. there is a law about illegal phone taps. theres no laws against stings. end of story. bye pedo!
puptartz 3 years ago
.. just because there isn't a law, doesn't mean its the 'end of story'.
The law could just as easily be wrong - that's why laws get changed.
And if it's the 'end of story' why is there so much debate over abortion laws, gun right laws etc. ?
Sublex 3 years ago
unethical as it is I think it is better to catch them before a child is a victim not afterwards.
douma234 3 years ago
End doesn't justify the means.
I guess you think we don't need search warrants either, huh?
Sublex 3 years ago
Nah search warrents are good to have, and ultimately I think the pedophiles who go online to set up sex dates with young women, and/or young men know what they're getting into. What they're doing is illegal, and this whole thing is no different then wearing a wire when buying drugs. yeah its sort of exploiting the person breaking the law, but they're breaking the law, and should be arrested for it. call me crazy for thinking that way.
douma234 3 years ago
So what, people who MIGHT break the law shouldn't have any rights?
Sublex 3 years ago
well correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they breaking the law by planning to do something. like for example the intent to sell drugs. you haven't sold the drugs yet, but you were planning to.
douma234 3 years ago
So if I merely THINK about stealing, I should go to jail?
Thoughtcrime now?
Sublex 3 years ago
not unless you use that one movie about the guys who are about to kill someone as a base for the law.
however the people we're talking about aren't just thinking about doing it. they are in the process of doing a crime.
douma234 3 years ago
Talking to kids is a crime?
Or asking them if they'd like a road trip?
How do we know he wasn't kidding, or just a guy with a warped sense of humour?
Sublex 3 years ago
well this particular case on the video I don't think the guy has technically done anything wrong, but that is not the case with most online sex offenders.
douma234 3 years ago
Could you give any examples?
Besides, in this case, who exactly is the 'victim'?
Sublex 3 years ago
Well there is another show that is based on doing this exact same thing. I forgot what it is called though alas.
And the victim depends entirely on your point of view. The victim could be the hypothetical girl the women is playing, or the victim could be the person she is deceiving.
douma234 3 years ago
Dateline: To Catch a Sex Predator thats what it's called they do this sorta thing quite a bit there.
douma234 3 years ago
There is no victim!
This guy can't be a pedo, as there is no child involve! It's a women, who's perfectly capable of consent.
And Dateline being similar to this isn't at all related to the argument. >.>
Sublex 3 years ago
well you asked for specific evidence, and the show has them, and also one could assume that the person knows the age of the person they are talking to, and one could also assume that doing anything with said person sexually or planning to do so is illegal. Also I rewatched the video up there, and it doesn't say the person she is talking to is a pedo per-say, but that they could turn out to be one.
douma234 3 years ago
You can't jail someone just because you 'assume'.
There really is no concrete evidence that predator is really going to go through with it.
AND. Whose the victim? Really? Who, is the victim in this?
Sublex 3 years ago
Well no one is going to arrest said guy up there based on what they said so far, but things can go farther, and into a different place that easily, and thats when things get into a matter of legality.
You ask who the victim is? I say its this video. I mean dayum we took up a lot of space with our argument.
douma234 3 years ago
I don't see the crime - where's the underage getting abused?
And the 'He's breaking a law' argument doesn't actually work - we're arguing whether the law is correct.
Sublex 3 years ago
Well we could argue about whether or not its right or wrong until the end of time, but the police aren't really raising any red flags about it. So its going to be going on, and people are going to feel justified doing it. So for now I'll pull the "Agree to disagree" card, because this has really gone on too long.
douma234 3 years ago
if he is so against catching these guys that he keeps posting to defend them its obvious what his motives are. or hes just stupid and he needs to learn about intent.if we didnt have laws about intent lots of people would get hurt before we could arrest anyone.how about terrorists who plan to bomb places? is he against that to or is it ok cause its not about sex with kids. if u talk to someone about sex thinking its a kid an u show up to have sex ur plan is illegal an u shouldnt get away with it.
puptartz 3 years ago
Okay, I've said this many times, so please, try and read my comments this time:
Terrorist bombs and stuff like that are fine, because they have received a warrant from a judge. More often than not, people like her don't have the warrants, and what they're doing should very well be illegal.
Furthermore, it's unethical, since there is NO victim.
Also, stop trying to call me a pedophile. I'm underage myself, so you'd probably have to wait a few years.
Sublex 3 years ago
Ummm hello. if it weren't her, it would be an actually child. thats the point.
Karewmoz 3 years ago 4
But it's not actually a child.
That's akin to saying all sex should be banned, cause one of them MIGHT be underage.
Sublex 3 years ago
shes saying she IS a child. its not like shes saying shes 27 or only alluding. and its not banning all sex. only sex where you are soliciting someone who is clearly stating that they are minors.
Karewmoz 3 years ago
ur wasting ur time. he/she's just looking for someone to talk to. he/she'll challenge anything u say. peds do that, ya know! of all things to be crying about, this dumbo has to go on all day defending creeps who have sex with kids. who else would do that but a ped?
puptartz 3 years ago
It works if you're not an idiot!
puptartz 3 years ago
...But of course. What a brilliant argument.
No laws ever made could possibly be wrong.
Would you like to tell that to the 6 million Jews who suffered at the Nuremberg Laws?
Or do you think that those Laws were correct, merely because they passed legislation?
Sublex 3 years ago
ur too stupid to understand this situation, so why don't you go over to a page for children. I'm not wasting any more time coming here. u should read back ur moronic rationizations. u really r an idiot.
puptartz 3 years ago
...says the person who can't even type correctly. I'm stupid? I can at least type coherent sentences, and I don't spend my time insulting the other person.
You've spent more time accusing me of being a pedophile, than you've actually spent defending your case.
And since you're not coming back here anymore, I guess I really don't have to be polite, and say:
You suck. Seriously. You suck really, really hard.
Sublex 3 years ago
R. Stephanie Good is a great Asset to the preditor world. All of her cases she has had, ended up in jail. Keep it up Stephanie, one by one you are getting these creeps off the streets, making our kids lives a bit safer. She also has written some great books, One being about Natalee Holloway in aruba. Look her up, you'll enjoy the read. :)
kath8700 3 years ago
Okay. Isn't that by term a vigilant?
I'm pretty sure that's illegal - least I think that's why all the cops in Gotham chase Batman.
Sublex 3 years ago
She's such a cock blocker.
Haha. But really, I completely support her efforts. I think it's funny someone mentioned it's unethical to bait people. But apparently violating a 12 year old girl isn't?
cherrygrrrl 3 years ago
Oh, I'm sorry. Did the predator on the computer talking to her violate a twelve year old?
I don't think so.
You can't punish people for thought crime. If you violate a twelve year old, yes, you go to jail. I've never argued against that.
Bating people, is very unethical, for reasons I have stated in the past (check the previous pages)
Sublex 3 years ago
I got her book and she does just sit there and wait for peds to im her. she has the sn cause she wants to be sure peds know shes a kid. she also got a prof that says shes a kid so the only people who r gonna im her gotta be peds not normal guys. so she lies about her age. big deal. its better then the lies the peds r telling. its a undercover thing an when cops do stings there lying to. its how they get the criminals.
puptartz 3 years ago
Sublex, how long have you been hanging out here defending pedos??
xglamkittyx 3 years ago
Almost three days now. >.>
Sublex 3 years ago
well when these guys show up thinking theres gonna be a kid to have sex with then there breakin the law. and how is she baiting them? by being there? she doesnt go after them she just sits there and they go after her.
puptartz 3 years ago 2
Well, we don't actually know whether or not she started the convo or not, but come on!
Her screen name is Teen2Hot4U.
Doesn't sound like a mid30s, and she lies about her age.
Sublex 3 years ago
So like if ur a kleptomaniac it's ok to steal? if your a sex addict it's ok to rape?if you don't have self control, does that make it ok to break the law? the thing is that the lady puts herself out there because if she isn't there the peds go after real kids. these creeps aren't "lured" to talk to minors. they don't have to im them. normal guys would leave kids alone. people who defend peds have something wrong with them too.
puptartz 3 years ago
'The lady puts herself out there' - because talking to people online is so damn dangerous.
And I'm not defending peds, I'm saying that it's unethical to bait people.
And, no it's not okay to steal. Cause then, you've actually commited a crime, and there's a victim - whose the victim in this case?
Sublex 3 years ago
if these guys were normal it wouldn't matter if someone used a SN iwantursex and had a naked pic online. a normal guy would say hey kid ur to young get lost! if they are peds and they go after kids even if a kid says she wants it the ped is still breakin the law. dont u get it? if someone pushes u into a bank and puts a gun in ur hand if ur normal ur gonna drop the gun and run like hell. ur not gonna rob the place!! she was acting like a kid and peds went after her. she was savin kids!
puptartz 3 years ago
Okay, firstly educate your kids.
Second, can we really choose our kinks? What if the peds were born with it, and couldn't change it? Similarly to sexual orientation?
I don't think so. You can try suppressing these urges, but if some guy drops something in front of you - can you really resist?
I'll use the diet argument again - if someone's on a diet, and you put chocolate in front of them with the intent of them getting fatter - is it really solely the fat guy's fault?
Sublex 3 years ago
hey I'm a kid...if you want to fuck me jst contact me. This isn't a trap...lolz
VHASE 3 years ago
the dudes who get busted for that are dumb perverts who deserve to get caught
NikkiHash 3 years ago
>.>
If you use that argument, then people who get caught by these dumb pervs deserve that too, huh?
Sublex 3 years ago
if he's like 40 and shes 12 duh yeah it's rape! and yeah if a ped gets fooled by going after someone he thinks is 14 and the person is 30 he's still breakin the law...to bad for him!
puptartz 3 years ago
He is not still breaking the law!
If I shoot at you with my gun, but my gun is loaded with blanks, do I kill you?
>.> Jesus. Seriously.
Sublex 3 years ago
I can't believe some of ur comments! some kids buy into the rap these peds have and really think there gonna get all kinds of special presents if they meet. you dunno wut ur talking bout if you think its just like that that a kid who doesn't want sex won't go an meet these peds. peds con kids by offerin cell phones an cds an all sorts of stuff an they also lie an say there kids to. so the kid goes out to meet them an finds out there face to face with an old perv. IMO teen2hot4u is a hero!
puptartz 3 years ago
.. I'm sorry, but if your child accepts a random gift from someone they've never met, and then agrees to meet them without telling anyone...
You're not a very good parent, are you?
Sublex 3 years ago
YOU GO GIRL!!!!!!!!!!!!
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harelmannnn 3 years ago
hey i read her book and she's so cool. she's been doing this before dateline was even on tv. she doesn't lure them in or anything. she just signs into chatrooms and waits. so what's wrong with that? some of the things i'm reading on here makes it sound like if a girl wears a short skirt it's her fault for getting raped. pervs are pervs. if you put a naked kid in front of a normal guy he's not going to touch her. my cuz was almost a victim of a dirtbag online who made himself sound so good!
luvbeingamom50 3 years ago 2
If a girl wears a short skirt, and a guy puts his hand on her lap and she encourages him to keep going, is that rape?
Sublex 3 years ago
That's probably just illegal/minor sex. But her screen name is Teen2Hot4u. I mean, really. If someone gave you their money, you would take it. And then you'd get arrested for thief.
InsaneRema 3 years ago
That's probably just illegal/minor sex. But her screen name is Teen2Hot4u. I mean, really. If someone gave you their money, you would take it. And then you'd get arrested for thief.
InsaneRema 3 years ago
If someone gave you their money, you would take it. And then you'd get arrested for thief.
..and you don't see the flaw in that?
Sublex 3 years ago
This crap pisses me off. Especially "to catch a predator"...for God's sake, they used an 18 yr old hottie to lure the guys in...I agree with sublex, this crap is unethical.
Plus, kids who aren't interested in meeting for sex aren't going to talk to these pervs in the first place...
dafunkmonster 3 years ago
"Unethical"? If we can get this perverts away from our children then people like Chris Hanson get my blessing.
thedamned1981 3 years ago 2
Wouldn't it be easier to educate your kids about predators?
I'm underage, and I sure as hell know what to do if some man starts to hit on me online. Block him, move on. >.> If he persists, tell my parents.
It really isn't that difficult.
Sublex 3 years ago 3
Truth, parents should be responsible for educating and monitoring their kids.
I was your age in the same situation as you. But the first step of admitting you're sick and need help is turning yourself into the cops.
thedamned1981 3 years ago
They might be sick, but they don't need to turn themselves in!
What is this, 1984? Every person who has EVER thought of hitting/killing someone should turn themselves in too, huh? Guess that covers just about all of us.
Sublex 3 years ago
Because you do something *illegal* you have to be *punished* for it.
Stop acting like you're a teen because you're not.
I'm sorry, I'm not a belly rubber. Child molesters don't get my sympathy or a slap on the wrist.
No "tricks" or "forces" them to do anything. These people are caught at their own sick and twisted choice.
thedamned1981 3 years ago
All I can say Sublex is you are one sick puppy. Get help now while you can. We can educate our kids all we want, but some just wont listen and have to learn the hard way. I'm sure you were one of them. Stephanie does this for a very good reason, read her book, you'll find out why. Stop being so foolish. Excuses get you no-where fast.
kath8700 3 years ago
You're kidding right?
Okay, if I was abused by a pedo, do you really think I'd be supporting them?
And secondly, I've actually explained why I think baiting people is unethical - you haven't even come up with one point.
Really. No-one (yet) has challenged one of my points. Go ahead. If your side really is ethically correct, you should be able to prove it in debate - not all this, almost childish behaviour insulting me.
And I'm suppose to be the minor here.
Sublex 3 years ago
doode, i've done that once!
my besetfriends dad isa cop, and this guy was 21 and i told him i was 15
[[im 13, but still,15??!?]]
anyway. he kept asking me if i wanted to have sex with him,and that he was imagining me doing it w/him, it was disgusting:[
ugh.
pervv.
bbymomo 3 years ago
Well, aren't you kinda baiting him?
That really isn't fair.
You don't see the police leaving out wads of cash to arrest thieves.
Sublex 3 years ago
Hell yeah! If they are fucking perverts who hook the line then they deserve it. Those are the kind of guys who lure young girls & boys 2 rape and kill.
jamieandtoby03 3 years ago 3
It's unethical to set people up.
If the 'perv' was trying to sustain from these urges, and you suddenly start hitting on him, and he can't resist, isn't it also partly your fault?
Similarly, if you're on a diet, I shouldn't start offering you chocolate, in the hopes that you'll get fat.
Sublex 3 years ago
Because you know the difference between gluttony and molesting a minor.
Right. Makes sense. Never mind, CARRY ON.
thedamned1981 3 years ago
They don't hit on people these people just wait for someone to talk to them
SOMENAMEOK 3 years ago
.. Okay. Do you REALLY thing a pedophile would go to some random person and say:
'Hey, are you a young underage child whom I could molest?'
>.> No, I think it'd start off with like, 'asl', whereas the baiter would say 'F/14/Cali' when they're really like the lady in the video 30 or something.
Sublex 3 years ago
I'm talking about a stupid diet, I'm talking about children's safety.
jamieandtoby03 3 years ago
I'm going to assume you meant you weren't not about a diet.
And I know the topic isn't about healthy eating. That's why I used 'similarly'. I'm drawing a comparison, on a much lower level - something most of us can more easily relate to.
Sublex 3 years ago
*I'm going to assume you meant you weren't talking about a stupid diet.
Sublex 3 years ago
Setting people up is unethical.
If the 'perv' was trying to not lure boys and girls, but you start hitting on him, and he can't resist, it's not entirely his fault.
Similarly (on a much smaller scale), if you're on a diet, I shouldn't offer you chocolate in the hopes you'll get fat.
Sublex 3 years ago
You are right I wasn't talking about a diet. If it's not fair.... why are these men in the chat rooms to begin with? Were they lured to log onto their com and go into the chat rooms too?
jamieandtoby03 3 years ago
They're allowed to be in the chat rooms!
They weren't lured onto their computers and into the chat rooms (and they're not breaking any laws so far) but they are lured to 'cyber' with a minor - which IS breaking a law.
Sublex 3 years ago
A grown adult is not lured into cyber chat with minors. You just sound like an idiot. A grown adult is not lured to try to meet with young girls or boys. they are fully aware of what they are doing. Unless they are caught they will continue to abuse minors.
jamieandtoby03 3 years ago
This is not uncommon. A helpful woman...but so many before her have done this.
CrazyTorqueAgito 3 years ago
O.O i want that job so bad!
RynAndRae 3 years ago 2
O_O uhm...wow
IrishFairyLand 3 years ago
sooo shes an FBI?
4GranReyCero 3 years ago
Just to let you know she does NOT get paid for what she does, and she is NOT an FBI agent. But they do work with her well.
kath8700 3 years ago
Okay. Isn't that by term a vigilant?
I'm pretty sure that's illegal - least I think that's why all the cops in Gotham chase Batman.
Sublex 3 years ago
That must be the easiest job ever.
RedHotCatholicLove 3 years ago 2
o.0 too many phedophiles
kiwikimimoto 3 years ago
I did a funny thing once. I pretended to be a 11 year old chick, and said i like to have fun and put an email up somewhere on the net. And it got 121 adds in the first day.
So many pedophiles....
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