@tlbwright California High-Speed Rail will operate at 220 m.p.h., except in the urban areas.
Technically, the Amtrak Acela service in the Northeast corridor has high-speed trains, but track improvements have not been made to allow them to operate with the speed at which the vehicles are capable.
@mquiroz90 actually the max speed is 220 MPH the fastest train in the world reach 375 MPH there isn't a train that reach 450 MPH only commercial jet can travel that fast.
@mquiroz90 somedays some country in the world might have a train that would reach that speed, weather its maglev, Vacuum powered or regular steel rail, they might catch on, if were lucky in 30 years we might have it weather its California, Desert lightning, Acela II or other Amtrak or something we might be the 1st one to reach 400 MPH.
@mrjimbeam2009 All of those except for the latter two I would assume. China and South Korea imported their high speed rail system instead of developing it.
the most expensive project ever done in the U.S. was the Space Shuttle program which cost $170 Billions, it incluce the five space shuttle, the mission, the launch, and other space project. so If we were able to do Space shuttles, we could be able to do High speed rail in the U.S.
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I just cannot believe that CaliforniaTARDS voted for light rail. Well then again, maybe I can. If you think the USPS and Amtrak are STINKING BLUE ELEPHANTS that lose money each year, you aint seen nothin yet. The cost for the line from San Fran to LA is supposed to cost....what, 40 billion? And it is not allowed to use any public money to build..HAHA! When it is running, the private company running it will get a GAURANTEED rider level per year (government subsidy), or at least that is the rumor.
@RobertsDigital Problem is, Maglev track (at least Transrapid style) has to be kept 200 meters away from any populated residences for Health and Safety, due to the electromagnetic presence. Just looking at this video, you can tell that this route will completely unusable, far too many people, far too close. Unless California was to build a mass maglev subway, I fear that it simply can't be done. Japan recommends the tunnel method, China are still working out how to get around people presence.
We don't really know the effective of high dosages of electromagnetic radiation being constantly exposed to people, but in Germany it's a legal requirement to keep sections of maglev track 200 meters away from where people may commonly be, put shortly. It may all be just fear mongering over nothing, but if its serious enough to be made into law, I wouldn't want to take my chances putting it to the test. There are those that say high intensity elecromagnetic activity can be linked to cancer.
but theyre testing the maglev trains in georgia very close to Atlanta, do you know if they solved the problem or if it was recently discovered to be not that dangerous.
@hardyxtreme4life It depends on the Maglev system they've got there. Some fields are very different to others. I'm most familar with the commerical level Transrapid, which I know legally has to be 200 meters away for where a human will routinely be (workplace or home) basically. A lower powered system working on a different priniciple may have a smaller safety zone, some systems could conceivably need a bigger one! There's no need to form a mob to attack them, just write to them and enquire. :)
@s2k997 i have never heard of an instance where magnetisim could be a risk to health. Our planet generates a massive magnetic field that protects us from harmful or deadly radiation.
@EpiDemic117 The Earth's magnetic field is static, not alternating. The magnetic fields that cause medical experts concern are usually alternating. As I said it may be fear mongering, but Germany certainly didn't take that chance. If you want to see instances of where electromagnetism could be a risk to health, I'd recommend: "Current Risks - health hazards of electromagnetic fields and how to reduce exposure to them" or "Possible effects of Electromagnetic Fields (EMF) on Human Health"
@s2k997 Hmm didn't know that. But thanks for the insight :)
I just think we should stick with the traditional rail system instead of Maglev. In my own Sci-fi sketch i did a while back. My train system used strange shaped track similar to the maglev. Only that it didn't use the same system. Instead it uses anti-gravity (dark matter or what ever you'd like to call it) to propel the train. MY System is actually very safe, reliable, and automated. There are special kinetic barriers that would
@s2k997 keep passengers or items from falling onto the tracks. if you'd walk to it it would give you a slight shove in the opposite direction you were leaning towards. To prevent you from being injured.
@sideslide23 A magnetic field would interfere with a pacemaker, and that would give somebody a heart attack, so from that poin of view, yes. A magnetic field can't be the greatest thing in the world to put your body though, hence explosure to certain levels are regulated and safe gaurds put in place. The link to cancer is considerably scary, and is being taken very seriously by medical science.
@RobertsDigital actually it would be a bigger waste if we did in on maglevs. Do you know how expensive they are to build? and so far they are only slightly faster than traditional rail bullet trains. The only objective is to get them there fast in a save and cost effective way. And that is what regular bullet trains provide.
whats next Ill tell you whats next 85,000 more jobs have been lost, and while Obama was on vacation he didn't rush back to help he just stayed there and finish his vacation.
Poseidoncambria is correct, not to mention that the bulk of financing for the project is coming from private investors. Operating costs for the train have not been included in the state budget, making it independent from state costs. The state of California also voted for a 10 Billion dollar state funding initiative as well, so this was not the governators decision alone.
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Bullet train is a Bad Idea because this Project will cost 45 billions dollars & the state is in a Budget deficit of 65 billion. & they cant take care of the states Disabled Hand cap people. Governor Arnold is for the High speed rail. ( IN HOME SUPPORT) GOV Arnold is abusing the Elderly & Handy cap people. you will have to Worry about your mother & Father when they get old because they wont be provided for. Gov Arnold is like taking baseball bat & beating your kids & Old people
You seem to forget to mention that it'd cost over $80 billion to expand freeways and airports just to have the same capacity of a high-speed rail system. Plus, unlike the interstate system, the CHSR will turn a profit of approx. $1 billion a year. Also, work on your grammar.
Let's see, I live just off of ROSE CANYON in San Diego along the old Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe's Forth district. Have War Bonnet F unit shots I took as a kid to prove it........What Fault? Hope someone gets good video of the guaranteed AWESOME DUDE wrecks to be!
What you people are saying is called Hooverism. Back when FDR was President during the Depression, he put major funding into infastructure projects like this. The Golden Gate Bridge, Hoover Dam, and countless other bridges, tunnels, dams and buildings were all results of FDR's "New Deal" during the Depression. This is EXACTLY what we should be doing now, not reforming healthcare in the middle of a recession.
Did you realise that in the bay area, that Oakland is getting a new Bay Bridge? there going to replace the double decker steal trust bridge for something elts
Never mind now. It's not going to happen since California is on the very edge of Bankruptcy. Since state congress didn't pass a proper budget, the states credit rating will be lowered to "Junk-bond" status...i.e. NO way of ever funding this project! The good news is they'll still find a way to pay for welfare, section 8 housing, food stamps, child care, college aid, pre-K to 12 schooling, breakfast-lunch programs, prison housing, etc. etc.etc. for the 18+ MILLION illegal aliens in their state.
I see some brilliant genius gave this guy a thumbs down but you still can't dispute his premise. California IS in woeful financial condition and it didn't get that way from being fiscally responsible. Socialism is a wonderful thing until you start running out of other people's money to pay for it.
When I give money to help feed and clothe people, that is called "charity." When someone else takes ot from me by force to supposedly help people, it's called "theft."
So 1 out of every 2 people in California are illegal aliens? That odes not make sense. Welfare states work with more taxes, recently, everyone says low taxes and no new taxes. It prohibits any progressive reform. For any new projects, you need good credit and with junk status, Cali will get nowhere even without HSR.
They prolly would have seismic activity sensors that would tell the train to stop in case of one. You can normally tell one is coming a while before it hits, very tiny vibrations, but they wouldn't have long to get stopped.
Japan has a State of the Art Early Warning System.
When an earthquake occurs, an alarm goes off in ALL Train cabins. The Operator hits the Emergency Brake to stop the train.
2004: An earthquake hit Japan (the Joetsu Line). 1 Bullet Train (speed 210kph at the time) did derail on a Viaduct/Bridge. The FIRST Derailment in their 40 years of HSR.
No injuries! No deaths! All passengers/crew walked away shaken-up, unhurt.
California (Earthquake Prone) is "The Perfect Test Site" for HSR.
The Japanese HSR system uses seismic sensors as stated above. Eddy current, regenerative and conventional disc braking will bring a train to a stop very rapidly in an emergency situation. The French TGV uses overlapping bogies between carriages, and despite one instance where a train derailed at over 220 Km/hr, the bogie arrangement kept the carriages upright , with minor injuries sustained.
Yeah, if I were to make recommendations for the project, I'd go with the French TGV style articulated trains (or just an export model of the TGV). Much safer in a collision, and in an area known for activities likely to cause such a derailment, might as well be prepared and have the train best built to cope with derailing.
Meh. I would pick the bullet train model in a heart beat. Both the TGV and the bullet train have the impressive zero fatality record, but the TGV doesn't hold a candle to it as far as punctuality is concerned. Then there's the earthquake factor...
I would say the punctuality is a result of the infrastructure and the management than the rolling stock itself. The earthquake factor; that's once again track-side infrastructure and software on the train's in-cab computer system, it has impressive breaking though.
Forgot to mention that the articulated nature of the TGV-based trains is actually far superior to non-articulated trains, not just in movement efficiency (less pointless wheels wasting friction) but in keeping the train upright and intact in a derailment. I'd dare say it'd be safer in an Earthquake that actually did turn out to be serious. Such an example of a derailment can be seen by the Eurostar service, one derailed in the 90s at almost 300 Kph, stayed upright and not even injuries.
Japan has a State of the Art Early Warning System.
When an earthquake occurs, an alarm goes off in ALL Train cabins. The Operator hits the Emergency Brake to stop the train.
2004: An earthquake hit Japan (the Joetsu Line). 1 Bullet Train (speed 210kph at the time) did derail on a Viaduct/Bridge. The FIRST Derailment in their 40 years of HSR.
No injuries! No deaths! All passengers/crew walked away shaken-up, unhurt.
California (Earthquake Prone) is "The Perfect Test Site" for HSR.
"The project was approved by California voters on November 4, 2008 with the passage of Proposition 1A authorizing US$9.95 billion for the project."
It will probably cost 3 times as much though. Anyone who believes the 9.95billion is crazy. Most estimates were much higher. In Holland our High Speed connections with Belgium/France and Germany are now complete and coming online, but they all turned out 3 times over budget.
I don't think it was ever asserted that the prop 1A bond was meant to cover the full cost of construction. In fact i recall it being touted as a way to kick-start the project and provide the confidence that would encourage federal funding and private investment. Some federal money is already on the way.
Yes. High speed trains were made for states like California. San Francisco and Los Angeles are too far to drive by car and to close to fly.
@Dutchdrummer99 It is usual that technology is faster than the building process. E.g. until 2020 high speed trains will reach higher speeds than 250 mph. The rails or/and trains get an upgrade even before the system is completed and the costs rise. That's pretty normal and good. California will benefit from this train!
kinda like, this is probably what made California broke in the first place. but they hope for return revenue but that wont happen cause tickets will probably real expensive.
CRH5s which based on ETR600 from Alstom have the worst performance in China. Alstom may lose the following high-speed train/tech order sheets from China.
goverment of america is to busy making bombs and bullets, time for change dudes. but the money for the people , get cars of the roads start to employ electric trains nation wide like japan. maglev trains are the way to go
People in the south will attack train for being "faggy". With such large percentage of Americans stuck perceptually in adolescence, I can't see the federal government do anything other than making every effort to perpetuate the delusion Americans built for themselves.
@eatfastnoodle wow you have obviously never been to the south or even to the US, and our Government should first worry about the huge debt they have themselves in before they worry about fancy trains we don't really need right now. Well I guess its not the governments worry how much debt they are in to private central banks, they could just Tax us more!
@eatfastnoodle how the fuck do you know asshole?? How about you quit putting words in other people's mouth. Texas has a high quality public train system in many of their cities.
AGV is a new design and therefore cannot rely on the same safety record of TGV. Valero is proven in practice and is indeed the only train which reaches 350km/h in passenger service. Off the shelf current generation TGV or ICE might be better as frequency of stations on Cal highspeed means theyl rarely reach the top speed. My point is that bidding should be open, picking one ahead of time means California will get SCREWED on price. Then again, California has a long history of wasting money...
25 years overdue. California had the chance 25 years ago...
The 1 Hour PBS TV Program "NOVA", highlighted that VERY plan to bring Bullet Trains to California:
"Tracking The Supertrains
While America's passenger-train service deteriorates, trains in Japan and Europe are speeding ahead at over 150 miles per hour. NOVA reports that the super-fast trains are finally coming to America.
Love these trains. Hopefully the auto industry and airline lobbyists lose their power in the near future so our coasts can have these. Maglev would be sweet too!
YES on Prop 1! San Diego to LA 1 hr 18 min. No traffic. No price can be too high for this badly needed system. Stop putting a temporary band-aid on a over-populated wound. Instead of adding lanes, put the damn high speed train in the center divider like the yellow line in LA.
I hope they get it. This should be the minimum standard for rail in the US. Maybe then we can catch up to the rest of the modern world. Well by the time we get high speed rail up and running everywhere the rest of the world will have fully deployed maglev. Hey we have to start somewhere.
Bush Jr is not only to blame. President Ronald Regan (1980-88) said "No". Bush Sr (VP 1980-88) became President 1988-92.
"The Bush Family" in the Oil Bussiness did plenty to keep HSR off the tracks here.
25+ years later, HSR is back on the table. California - a 2nd Chance at HSR. Japan (Excellence in HSR safety since 1964!) & California: Same size & Earthquake prone.
The Acela (Northeast): Boston - Washington, DC since December, 2000?
Siemens (German ICE) hits the fastest speed in normal operation with its Valero in Spain. Transrapid is the fastest in normal operation. JR-Maglev is the fastest period. TGV is the cheapest fast train? Interesting. Valero (Siemens) is the one currently being ordered in large numbers (by Russia and China), so it wouldn't surprise me if TGV derivative wins the California contract since Siemens has their capacity booked out.
LOL Alstom currently have 67% of the mondial market of high speed trains. The TGV has been sold in France, Morocco, Spain, Belgium, UK, Argentina, South Korea,Saudi Arabia, and most of the other trains have Alstom tech.
The AGV, future TGV will run at 360km/h (fastest than the Velaro), the Transrapid is operational on 50 kms (lol), and the only european project (Munchen) was cancelled. Maglev is not operational at all. So please you have to admit that Alstom is the leading company for HSR.
"Maglev is not operational at all"... why do you have to include something which I know to be false?? Maglev is operational in China, they're building Shanghai-Hangzhou route (getting right of way still). Now I have to go check if the stuff you posted is actually true or not.
I talked about Japanese Maglev, wich is not operational.
The chinese MagLev was built by the German (what I called Transrapid).
But anyway, the California high speed train will be a wheeled train, and I believe Alstom is the best for this, so I hope California will choose the AGV (there will be also a double decker AGV, the only one of the next gen of high speed trains).
You're right to want strong competition, the best will win.
Little detail: California's new tracks will be 360kph standard
Yeah, that's the beauty of building a network from scratch (except for the northeast). When America does get a high speed rail network, it's going to be properly high speed, not a mishmash of semi-high speed, regional low speed networks, sub-standard bridges and so on. All new tracks, so they're all going to be built to high standards. It would be silly not to!
I've got nothing against AGV, except that it hasn't actually been deployed yet. I wouldn't want the first commercial application to be 100s for California. If they do pick AGV, California needs a strict contract price to prevent cost-over runs.
Unmodified Valero already hits 350kph for regular service, and I'm sure Siemens will have it up to 360+ by 2010. Anyway, both Siemens and Alstom make trains which can inter-operate, so California will probably do a mix just so they have pricing power.
its ridiculous to compare an ICe valero and an AGV, lots of train can reach 360kms today, but some wait very new technologies to do it as Alstom to keep a enegy / cost balance, its not the case of the unsecure ICE, that is only an "upgrade" of something that kills lots of ppl when crashing at high speed, i bet that Californians knows already this, French engineers are already sent in US to advice! see ya,
Wow you really have a very poor opinion of Californians! Why would they request ICE with old technology. Otherwise, I don't see why you're concerned with a long ago addressed problem. With respect to energy and cost, it's all about cost vs. passengers vs. speed and so on, so we'll see which bidder wins. Hopefully California gets the most for their money, and is not tied to one high priced yet to be proven solution (AGV) because of biased people like you!!
Maglev is operational in China, and they're getting the right of way for the 164km Shanghai Hangzhou line, why do you have to claim it isn't operational? Now I have to check if everything else you've claimed is actually true or not.
Sounds plausible, I was just responding to someone else who claimed TGV is the fastest operationally... it isn't. AGV, cool, Japan, Siemens and so on are also not sitting on their laurels, their next version will also be faster than the Valero. Anyway, further minor increases in speed for traditional rail are kind of meaningless since the real limiting factor is rails to run them on. Also, we WANT strong competition, it keeps down prices and strengthens innovation!! :D
Imagine if back when steam engines first took off if people just agreed that Sharp & Roberts sold the best engines, and waited to build until they could get a Sharp & Roberts engine. I imagine we'd still be using steam engines...
So please stop trolling here with your shitty comparisions. The TGV is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar better than the Shinkansen (and you've not seen the AGV yet...).
Driving will be fun again vs traffic, and maybe it can be cheaper to travel around california vs gas (unless people carpool?)? It will make California seem smaller, yet more connected.
But, what about California's bond rating and the amount of investment in the private sector?
We WILL get HSR in all major cities and states across the U.S including and begining with California IF!! IF you vote *YES* on Proposition 1A and vote for Barack Obama. Barack Obama has shown COMPLETE support for building National HSR Infrastructure! Joe Biden is a DAILY Amtrak rider and Supports rail travel 100%. These two will get these projects built!
As Opposed to John MCcain who is a well known "Train Hater".
As much as Californians want High Speed Rail...I hope it happens soon. Not JUST for California, but for America as a whole. Look at other countries that have HSR:
Japan - The size of California.
South Korea - About the same size as Minnesota.
Spain - Slightly more than twice the size of Oregon.
France - slightly less than double the size of Colorado.
Taiwan - Slightly larger than the states of Maryland & Delaware combined.
It's not a game like MSTS, it's a 3D animation showing what the high speed rail system will look like after it has been voted for proposal in November.
It's all good, but what happens when you arrive to San Diego or LA? You still need a car, because there's no usable public transportation and place is really spread out. In the end, even though you spend more on gas and time in traffic, you spend less because you don't have to pay for cabs or car rentals. This would work only in East Coast where cities are designed in such way that public transportation actually does serve its purpose. Acela tried, but obviously failed
duvasgabre: they'd make public transportation available,they wouldn't just throw you on a train to ride it with no connections via bus,cab,or whatever.
thanks..I recall a travel agent in Moline IL who, before I-5, Moline area to Chicago, was strongly supporting a dedicated route within the confines of the interstate but of course the airlines and auto companies had stronger pull in Washington and so an opportunity was lost. It's still possible with redesigned overpasses and won't be cheap. Electrified lines would be super.
2 years ago I'd agree with those who say this wouldn't work. But today? I have friends (mid 20s) and kno families who can't afford to visit relatives 3-4 hours away cuz of gas. I think if they pushed this in the media, SAC-LA rd trp or SF-SD rd trp at reasonable price - even operating at a loss for a year for the publicity of cheap prices. Run it down 101 or 5 and let all the cars sitting in traffic watch the train fly by and then watch people switch over. Anyone have links for more info?
Weird. I was just reading some stuff on Eurostar that goes thru the chunnel and have also studied/worked in Italy where there's a Eurostar connection Milan-Florence-Rome-Naples(different company I'm guessing).I'm a native californian and my friends & i used to always take a sumr trip from sacramento-san diego. But with gas so high now & airlines a bitch I was thinking how nice to have a HST Sac-SF-LA-SD. SF-LA 2-3 hours. U could go for a night. But this is on Nov. ballot? I've heard 0 about it??
Highspeed link between NorCal and SoCal is all fine and dandy but I don't think it will fly. They are better off putting a high speed link between SFO, San Jose and Sacramento
Actually, THAT was the plan back in the early 1980's. A Reprisentative of the Shinkansen WANTED to bring the Japanese Bullet Trains to California. There was a program on PBS explaining all of that. Brilliant program!
Sadly, the Shinkansen never made it here.
Now, more than ever, many people are wondering why we STILL don't have high speed trains like France and Japan. What happened? Too many 'American' higher ups said 'no' to the plan. Becareful who you vote for.
I believe the congress was brought to vote that Amtrak cannot purchase the best equipment such as that found in Europe and Japan. I suppose private companies could be permitted to lay railways which would allow high speed travel in high traffic areas such as both coasts. Even the Swedish railway, SJ, has better 2nd class sleepers than Amtrak's 1st class.
Agreed. American Manufactureres could have built the fast trains, seeing they could not be bought from Overseas.
Also, THOUSANDS of jobs are lost: To lay down new rail, put up new Overhead Powerlines for the trains, build new RR Stations, thousands of Wind Turbines to power the system. Extensive train test runs - like the TGV is done in France.
France, Japan, Germany & Taiwan - Fast Electric Trains.
It was an Inept Congress, Inept CEO's & Dirty Politics that killed the 1980's plan.
How the Amtrak Acela run slow than many other high speed train from Europe and Asia? American-made high speeed train all might get slow less than 120 mph.
The main reason (I believe) is that they used the existing routes and tracks, and used tilting trains to go faster. The truly fast trains can't take those curves (fly off the tracks, dontchaknow), so you have to build a wholly new route that's designed for speed from the get-go (like they will in CA).
I dont think this kind of trains will be here in California due to too much politics...Europe and Asia much better and advanced than frigging California.
I've always hated california because of congested freeways, if they built this thing to traverse california from SD to SF via LA and especially OC and LB then i'll move to california!
it could be, however, that their choise of colours, are ones that are very easy to see from afar in order to avoid accidents and incidents from ocurring.
What constitutes high speed train in the USA? Like 80MPH?
tlbwright 7 months ago
@tlbwright California High-Speed Rail will operate at 220 m.p.h., except in the urban areas.
Technically, the Amtrak Acela service in the Northeast corridor has high-speed trains, but track improvements have not been made to allow them to operate with the speed at which the vehicles are capable.
CommunityBuildersSB 7 months ago
@CommunityBuildersSB it look like a eurostar had sex with an intercity125
Dannyboy3333able1 6 months ago
can't wait until the high speed rail system is built here in CA. It will make for much faster and easier travel between LA and Sacramento for me.
caffingdu 10 months ago
i know CA has a great future coming and trains go more faster like up to 450 mph
mquiroz90 1 year ago
@mquiroz90 actually the max speed is 220 MPH the fastest train in the world reach 375 MPH there isn't a train that reach 450 MPH only commercial jet can travel that fast.
sideslide23 1 year ago
@sideslide23 ah will idk but i can really think of it i can even draw it too and think of a crazy train
mquiroz90 1 year ago
@mquiroz90 somedays some country in the world might have a train that would reach that speed, weather its maglev, Vacuum powered or regular steel rail, they might catch on, if were lucky in 30 years we might have it weather its California, Desert lightning, Acela II or other Amtrak or something we might be the 1st one to reach 400 MPH.
sideslide23 1 year ago
@soon trains will hover and fly too oh yea be so cool imagine the inside of the train too 10 years from 2010 im sure everything be touch type tech
mquiroz90 1 year ago
@mquiroz90 Just like Star Warse and Back to the Future 2
sideslide23 1 year ago
@sideslide23 China will have the first VacTrain running by 2020 at speeds as fast as nearly 1,000 mph.
gibb1991 1 year ago
i would love to see california have a railway like this.
pacoarespacochaga 1 year ago
I hope they implement the JR rail train rolling stock, not something french or german
mrjimbeam2009 1 year ago
what are the main contenders for the rolling stock, japan? germany, france?china ,south korea??
mrjimbeam2009 1 year ago
@mrjimbeam2009 All of those except for the latter two I would assume. China and South Korea imported their high speed rail system instead of developing it.
Vallecrash 1 year ago
@mrjimbeam2009 Japan, Germany, France, China, Italy, and a few companies in the USA.
gibb1991 1 year ago
fastest method of delivery bitches to customers!
trancowy89 1 year ago
the most expensive project ever done in the U.S. was the Space Shuttle program which cost $170 Billions, it incluce the five space shuttle, the mission, the launch, and other space project. so If we were able to do Space shuttles, we could be able to do High speed rail in the U.S.
sideslide23 1 year ago
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I just cannot believe that CaliforniaTARDS voted for light rail. Well then again, maybe I can. If you think the USPS and Amtrak are STINKING BLUE ELEPHANTS that lose money each year, you aint seen nothin yet. The cost for the line from San Fran to LA is supposed to cost....what, 40 billion? And it is not allowed to use any public money to build..HAHA! When it is running, the private company running it will get a GAURANTEED rider level per year (government subsidy), or at least that is the rumor.
tickyul 2 years ago
I think America should buy the maglev technology and START NOW! Dont waste your money on bullet trains
RobertsDigital 2 years ago
@RobertsDigital Problem is, Maglev track (at least Transrapid style) has to be kept 200 meters away from any populated residences for Health and Safety, due to the electromagnetic presence. Just looking at this video, you can tell that this route will completely unusable, far too many people, far too close. Unless California was to build a mass maglev subway, I fear that it simply can't be done. Japan recommends the tunnel method, China are still working out how to get around people presence.
s2k997 2 years ago 2
What does electromagnetivity do to the human body?
RobertsDigital 2 years ago
We don't really know the effective of high dosages of electromagnetic radiation being constantly exposed to people, but in Germany it's a legal requirement to keep sections of maglev track 200 meters away from where people may commonly be, put shortly. It may all be just fear mongering over nothing, but if its serious enough to be made into law, I wouldn't want to take my chances putting it to the test. There are those that say high intensity elecromagnetic activity can be linked to cancer.
s2k997 2 years ago
but theyre testing the maglev trains in georgia very close to Atlanta, do you know if they solved the problem or if it was recently discovered to be not that dangerous.
hardyxtreme4life 1 year ago
@hardyxtreme4life It depends on the Maglev system they've got there. Some fields are very different to others. I'm most familar with the commerical level Transrapid, which I know legally has to be 200 meters away for where a human will routinely be (workplace or home) basically. A lower powered system working on a different priniciple may have a smaller safety zone, some systems could conceivably need a bigger one! There's no need to form a mob to attack them, just write to them and enquire. :)
s2k997 1 year ago
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sideslide23 1 year ago
@s2k997 i have never heard of an instance where magnetisim could be a risk to health. Our planet generates a massive magnetic field that protects us from harmful or deadly radiation.
EpiDemic117 1 year ago
@EpiDemic117 The Earth's magnetic field is static, not alternating. The magnetic fields that cause medical experts concern are usually alternating. As I said it may be fear mongering, but Germany certainly didn't take that chance. If you want to see instances of where electromagnetism could be a risk to health, I'd recommend: "Current Risks - health hazards of electromagnetic fields and how to reduce exposure to them" or "Possible effects of Electromagnetic Fields (EMF) on Human Health"
s2k997 1 year ago
@s2k997 Hmm didn't know that. But thanks for the insight :)
I just think we should stick with the traditional rail system instead of Maglev. In my own Sci-fi sketch i did a while back. My train system used strange shaped track similar to the maglev. Only that it didn't use the same system. Instead it uses anti-gravity (dark matter or what ever you'd like to call it) to propel the train. MY System is actually very safe, reliable, and automated. There are special kinetic barriers that would
EpiDemic117 1 year ago
@s2k997 keep passengers or items from falling onto the tracks. if you'd walk to it it would give you a slight shove in the opposite direction you were leaning towards. To prevent you from being injured.
EpiDemic117 1 year ago
@s2k997 so does magnetic field cause heart attack?
sideslide23 1 year ago
@sideslide23 A magnetic field would interfere with a pacemaker, and that would give somebody a heart attack, so from that poin of view, yes. A magnetic field can't be the greatest thing in the world to put your body though, hence explosure to certain levels are regulated and safe gaurds put in place. The link to cancer is considerably scary, and is being taken very seriously by medical science.
s2k997 1 year ago
@sideslide23 no?
mquiroz90 1 year ago
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sideslide23 2 years ago
@RobertsDigital actually it would be a bigger waste if we did in on maglevs. Do you know how expensive they are to build? and so far they are only slightly faster than traditional rail bullet trains. The only objective is to get them there fast in a save and cost effective way. And that is what regular bullet trains provide.
EpiDemic117 1 year ago
whats next Ill tell you whats next 85,000 more jobs have been lost, and while Obama was on vacation he didn't rush back to help he just stayed there and finish his vacation.
sideslide23 2 years ago
USA will never realise that one. Stopp waring others first then you will have the money.
Devil9h 2 years ago
Poseidoncambria is correct, not to mention that the bulk of financing for the project is coming from private investors. Operating costs for the train have not been included in the state budget, making it independent from state costs. The state of California also voted for a 10 Billion dollar state funding initiative as well, so this was not the governators decision alone.
sammathew87 2 years ago
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Bullet train is a Bad Idea because this Project will cost 45 billions dollars & the state is in a Budget deficit of 65 billion. & they cant take care of the states Disabled Hand cap people. Governor Arnold is for the High speed rail. ( IN HOME SUPPORT) GOV Arnold is abusing the Elderly & Handy cap people. you will have to Worry about your mother & Father when they get old because they wont be provided for. Gov Arnold is like taking baseball bat & beating your kids & Old people
camboy1132 2 years ago
You seem to forget to mention that it'd cost over $80 billion to expand freeways and airports just to have the same capacity of a high-speed rail system. Plus, unlike the interstate system, the CHSR will turn a profit of approx. $1 billion a year. Also, work on your grammar.
poseidoncambria 2 years ago 2
Let's see, I live just off of ROSE CANYON in San Diego along the old Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe's Forth district. Have War Bonnet F unit shots I took as a kid to prove it........What Fault? Hope someone gets good video of the guaranteed AWESOME DUDE wrecks to be!
paullubliner 2 years ago
CALI IS NOT THAT CLEAN
edmasterson 2 years ago 2
wrong. ddont spy! plus: hhealthsystem! after that: again:+built spend own tehnique for such a trains. good thinig!
eristderbeste 2 years ago
What you people are saying is called Hooverism. Back when FDR was President during the Depression, he put major funding into infastructure projects like this. The Golden Gate Bridge, Hoover Dam, and countless other bridges, tunnels, dams and buildings were all results of FDR's "New Deal" during the Depression. This is EXACTLY what we should be doing now, not reforming healthcare in the middle of a recession.
poseidoncambria 2 years ago
Did you realise that in the bay area, that Oakland is getting a new Bay Bridge? there going to replace the double decker steal trust bridge for something elts
sideslide23 2 years ago
And thank god for that; it's thing literally crumpling into the bay.
poseidoncambria 2 years ago 2
Never mind now. It's not going to happen since California is on the very edge of Bankruptcy. Since state congress didn't pass a proper budget, the states credit rating will be lowered to "Junk-bond" status...i.e. NO way of ever funding this project! The good news is they'll still find a way to pay for welfare, section 8 housing, food stamps, child care, college aid, pre-K to 12 schooling, breakfast-lunch programs, prison housing, etc. etc.etc. for the 18+ MILLION illegal aliens in their state.
gofindjeff 2 years ago
I see some brilliant genius gave this guy a thumbs down but you still can't dispute his premise. California IS in woeful financial condition and it didn't get that way from being fiscally responsible. Socialism is a wonderful thing until you start running out of other people's money to pay for it.
When I give money to help feed and clothe people, that is called "charity." When someone else takes ot from me by force to supposedly help people, it's called "theft."
kmillard 2 years ago 4
Well said 'gofindjeff ' and 'kmillard' ...you are exactly RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT (a thousand times, no wait...18+million times over)!!!!!
aaaaaaandweregone 2 years ago 5
So 1 out of every 2 people in California are illegal aliens? That odes not make sense. Welfare states work with more taxes, recently, everyone says low taxes and no new taxes. It prohibits any progressive reform. For any new projects, you need good credit and with junk status, Cali will get nowhere even without HSR.
mugshotesp 2 years ago 2
@gofindjeff I FUCK YOU IN THE ASS AND YOU LIKE IT
MrEiriku 4 months ago
no country on earth will beat the british Class 43 HST :D
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gravitygun123 2 years ago
I can only imagine what would happen if an earthquake took place as this train was going 250+
robeg12 2 years ago
They prolly would have seismic activity sensors that would tell the train to stop in case of one. You can normally tell one is coming a while before it hits, very tiny vibrations, but they wouldn't have long to get stopped.
nidodson 2 years ago 4
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Japan has a State of the Art Early Warning System.
When an earthquake occurs, an alarm goes off in ALL Train cabins. The Operator hits the Emergency Brake to stop the train.
2004: An earthquake hit Japan (the Joetsu Line). 1 Bullet Train (speed 210kph at the time) did derail on a Viaduct/Bridge. The FIRST Derailment in their 40 years of HSR.
No injuries! No deaths! All passengers/crew walked away shaken-up, unhurt.
California (Earthquake Prone) is "The Perfect Test Site" for HSR.
Modeltrainguy 2 years ago
The Japanese HSR system uses seismic sensors as stated above. Eddy current, regenerative and conventional disc braking will bring a train to a stop very rapidly in an emergency situation. The French TGV uses overlapping bogies between carriages, and despite one instance where a train derailed at over 220 Km/hr, the bogie arrangement kept the carriages upright , with minor injuries sustained.
hbb8672 2 years ago 2
Yeah, if I were to make recommendations for the project, I'd go with the French TGV style articulated trains (or just an export model of the TGV). Much safer in a collision, and in an area known for activities likely to cause such a derailment, might as well be prepared and have the train best built to cope with derailing.
s2k997 2 years ago
@nidodson Thank you, that's what I meant :-) Does anyone know why they don't have a concept of a central station in San Diego?
TrickyEmu 2 years ago
Meh. I would pick the bullet train model in a heart beat. Both the TGV and the bullet train have the impressive zero fatality record, but the TGV doesn't hold a candle to it as far as punctuality is concerned. Then there's the earthquake factor...
clovera 2 years ago
I would say the punctuality is a result of the infrastructure and the management than the rolling stock itself. The earthquake factor; that's once again track-side infrastructure and software on the train's in-cab computer system, it has impressive breaking though.
s2k997 2 years ago
Forgot to mention that the articulated nature of the TGV-based trains is actually far superior to non-articulated trains, not just in movement efficiency (less pointless wheels wasting friction) but in keeping the train upright and intact in a derailment. I'd dare say it'd be safer in an Earthquake that actually did turn out to be serious. Such an example of a derailment can be seen by the Eurostar service, one derailed in the 90s at almost 300 Kph, stayed upright and not even injuries.
s2k997 2 years ago
Japan has a State of the Art Early Warning System.
When an earthquake occurs, an alarm goes off in ALL Train cabins. The Operator hits the Emergency Brake to stop the train.
2004: An earthquake hit Japan (the Joetsu Line). 1 Bullet Train (speed 210kph at the time) did derail on a Viaduct/Bridge. The FIRST Derailment in their 40 years of HSR.
No injuries! No deaths! All passengers/crew walked away shaken-up, unhurt.
California (Earthquake Prone) is "The Perfect Test Site" for HSR.
Modeltrainguy 2 years ago 14
Thanks much for the information.
nidodson 2 years ago 5
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dkny115 2 years ago
So, finally decided to get a High Speed Train huh? You're only decades behind the rest of the world...
Srsly though, its a good thing you guys are getting these.
BuzzE77 2 years ago 5
I hope and pray that they will include San Diego!
TrickyEmu 2 years ago 2
PESA Bydgoszcz from Poland hi;
KPinfo 2 years ago
Wtf is this? Another California pipe dream? California is broke, hello?!
and0243 2 years ago
The project has been approved.
"The project was approved by California voters on November 4, 2008 with the passage of Proposition 1A authorizing US$9.95 billion for the project."
It will probably cost 3 times as much though. Anyone who believes the 9.95billion is crazy. Most estimates were much higher. In Holland our High Speed connections with Belgium/France and Germany are now complete and coming online, but they all turned out 3 times over budget.
Dutchdrummer99 2 years ago
I don't think it was ever asserted that the prop 1A bond was meant to cover the full cost of construction. In fact i recall it being touted as a way to kick-start the project and provide the confidence that would encourage federal funding and private investment. Some federal money is already on the way.
jsplawn 2 years ago
If any state could benefit a high speed train system, it's California! Though the freeway congestion reductions would still probably be minimal.
prorobo 2 years ago
Yes. High speed trains were made for states like California. San Francisco and Los Angeles are too far to drive by car and to close to fly.
@Dutchdrummer99 It is usual that technology is faster than the building process. E.g. until 2020 high speed trains will reach higher speeds than 250 mph. The rails or/and trains get an upgrade even before the system is completed and the costs rise. That's pretty normal and good. California will benefit from this train!
TrickyEmu 2 years ago
hi and,
what kind of broke
bestamerica 2 years ago
kinda like, this is probably what made California broke in the first place. but they hope for return revenue but that wont happen cause tickets will probably real expensive.
techphy100 2 years ago
I though this view is kinda similar to
watch?v=sJSmRik2c-c&feature=channel_page
less tree & narrow highway but real one
Ilikepussybetter 2 years ago
This ist TGV??
Metalhert 2 years ago
It`s like the french Alstom TGV!!! LOL
originaldarkat 2 years ago
whats the point of this?
RyanBurke93 2 years ago
Looks great... if only it were real
HardyRules2 3 years ago 2
Get a different paint scheme though. Looks too much like VIA Rail from the 70's and 80's.
imprezzed42296 3 years ago 2
How come they don't show what the San Diego station will look like?
CoolKidHalter 3 years ago
CRH5s which based on ETR600 from Alstom have the worst performance in China. Alstom may lose the following high-speed train/tech order sheets from China.
基于阿尔斯通ETR600的CRH5在中国的表现相当糟糕。阿尔斯通可能会失去中国在高铁车辆/技术方面的后续订单。
typhoon7205 3 years ago
Very similar to TGV?
typhoon7205 3 years ago
I did not hear about such train it is the project or what???? Tell more in detail if not difficultly tell as a train refers to?
railmaniak 3 years ago
Quite better than MAGLEV, because ita canuse current tracks, with cheap improvement.
And anyhow, the fastest train is built by Alstom France, and runs in improved tracks.
dagoflorestv 3 years ago
goverment of america is to busy making bombs and bullets, time for change dudes. but the money for the people , get cars of the roads start to employ electric trains nation wide like japan. maglev trains are the way to go
diveplane 3 years ago 4
People in the south will attack train for being "faggy". With such large percentage of Americans stuck perceptually in adolescence, I can't see the federal government do anything other than making every effort to perpetuate the delusion Americans built for themselves.
eatfastnoodle 3 years ago 13
@eatfastnoodle wow you have obviously never been to the south or even to the US, and our Government should first worry about the huge debt they have themselves in before they worry about fancy trains we don't really need right now. Well I guess its not the governments worry how much debt they are in to private central banks, they could just Tax us more!
FlamingLavaOwl 1 year ago
@eatfastnoodle how the fuck do you know asshole?? How about you quit putting words in other people's mouth. Texas has a high quality public train system in many of their cities.
njdevil281 1 year ago
That's the one that will connect Los Angeles and Frisco.
denny906 3 years ago
Excelente simulación.
dteide 3 years ago 2
AGV is a new design and therefore cannot rely on the same safety record of TGV. Valero is proven in practice and is indeed the only train which reaches 350km/h in passenger service. Off the shelf current generation TGV or ICE might be better as frequency of stations on Cal highspeed means theyl rarely reach the top speed. My point is that bidding should be open, picking one ahead of time means California will get SCREWED on price. Then again, California has a long history of wasting money...
NorskeDivision 3 years ago
25 years overdue. California had the chance 25 years ago...
The 1 Hour PBS TV Program "NOVA", highlighted that VERY plan to bring Bullet Trains to California:
"Tracking The Supertrains
While America's passenger-train service deteriorates, trains in Japan and Europe are speeding ahead at over 150 miles per hour. NOVA reports that the super-fast trains are finally coming to America.
Original broadcast date: 12/14/82
Topic: technology/engineering"
Modeltrainguy 3 years ago
Love these trains. Hopefully the auto industry and airline lobbyists lose their power in the near future so our coasts can have these. Maglev would be sweet too!
qjsolis 3 years ago
So what happened with Prop 1 ???
illxtra 3 years ago
YES on Prop 1! San Diego to LA 1 hr 18 min. No traffic. No price can be too high for this badly needed system. Stop putting a temporary band-aid on a over-populated wound. Instead of adding lanes, put the damn high speed train in the center divider like the yellow line in LA.
CommentsKilledWebIQ 3 years ago 4
I hope they get it. This should be the minimum standard for rail in the US. Maybe then we can catch up to the rest of the modern world. Well by the time we get high speed rail up and running everywhere the rest of the world will have fully deployed maglev. Hey we have to start somewhere.
As you said.. YES on Prop 1.
dhammerindy 3 years ago
Just think of the great bullet train(s) we could have built with the $600 BILLION that has already been wasted in Iraq! Thanks alot MORON bush
2ndAmendment1 3 years ago
I 100% agree, 2ndAmendment1!
Bush Jr is not only to blame. President Ronald Regan (1980-88) said "No". Bush Sr (VP 1980-88) became President 1988-92.
"The Bush Family" in the Oil Bussiness did plenty to keep HSR off the tracks here.
25+ years later, HSR is back on the table. California - a 2nd Chance at HSR. Japan (Excellence in HSR safety since 1964!) & California: Same size & Earthquake prone.
The Acela (Northeast): Boston - Washington, DC since December, 2000?
Unacceptable!
Modeltrainguy 2 years ago 5
PResidnet Regan retard!!!
LouAu 2 years ago
Amen!
GottJukrapun 3 years ago
-N700 Series Shinkansen-
Hakata - Nagoya 808.9km (8 Station Stop,Osaka-Kyoto Slow speed)
3h21m
-TGV-
Paris-Marseille about 750km (Non Stop)
3h
Paris-Marseille Distance is not 900km
mariusrodrigo is Liar. ┐(´ー｀)┌
ShinjukuJogakuen 3 years ago
-2008 Shinkansen-
200 Series 134cars, 400 Series 84cars
E1 Series 72cars, E2 Series 442cars
E3 Series 177cars, E4 Series 208cars
0 Series 48cars, 100 Series 108cars
300 Series 1120cars, 500 Series 144cars
700 Series 1328cars, N700 Series 656cars
(N700 Production plan until 2011 is 1536cars)
>70% of the high speed trains in the world are French made...
mariusrodrigo is Liar. ┐(´∀｀)┌
ShinjukuJogakuen 3 years ago
No matter what you say you idiot.
70% of the High speed trains in the world are still French made.
You know there is not only Japan on the planet...
France is the best in High Speed rail, you've to admit that.
mariusrodrigo 3 years ago
Evidence Please.
Mr.Liar.
ShinjukuJogakuen 3 years ago
Siemens (German ICE) hits the fastest speed in normal operation with its Valero in Spain. Transrapid is the fastest in normal operation. JR-Maglev is the fastest period. TGV is the cheapest fast train? Interesting. Valero (Siemens) is the one currently being ordered in large numbers (by Russia and China), so it wouldn't surprise me if TGV derivative wins the California contract since Siemens has their capacity booked out.
NorskeDivision 3 years ago
LOL Alstom currently have 67% of the mondial market of high speed trains. The TGV has been sold in France, Morocco, Spain, Belgium, UK, Argentina, South Korea,Saudi Arabia, and most of the other trains have Alstom tech.
The AGV, future TGV will run at 360km/h (fastest than the Velaro), the Transrapid is operational on 50 kms (lol), and the only european project (Munchen) was cancelled. Maglev is not operational at all. So please you have to admit that Alstom is the leading company for HSR.
mariusrodrigo 3 years ago
"Maglev is not operational at all"... why do you have to include something which I know to be false?? Maglev is operational in China, they're building Shanghai-Hangzhou route (getting right of way still). Now I have to go check if the stuff you posted is actually true or not.
NorskeDivision 3 years ago
I talked about Japanese Maglev, wich is not operational.
The chinese MagLev was built by the German (what I called Transrapid).
But anyway, the California high speed train will be a wheeled train, and I believe Alstom is the best for this, so I hope California will choose the AGV (there will be also a double decker AGV, the only one of the next gen of high speed trains).
You're right to want strong competition, the best will win.
Little detail: California's new tracks will be 360kph standard
mariusrodrigo 3 years ago
Yeah, that's the beauty of building a network from scratch (except for the northeast). When America does get a high speed rail network, it's going to be properly high speed, not a mishmash of semi-high speed, regional low speed networks, sub-standard bridges and so on. All new tracks, so they're all going to be built to high standards. It would be silly not to!
NorskeDivision 3 years ago
I've got nothing against AGV, except that it hasn't actually been deployed yet. I wouldn't want the first commercial application to be 100s for California. If they do pick AGV, California needs a strict contract price to prevent cost-over runs.
Unmodified Valero already hits 350kph for regular service, and I'm sure Siemens will have it up to 360+ by 2010. Anyway, both Siemens and Alstom make trains which can inter-operate, so California will probably do a mix just so they have pricing power.
NorskeDivision 3 years ago
its ridiculous to compare an ICe valero and an AGV, lots of train can reach 360kms today, but some wait very new technologies to do it as Alstom to keep a enegy / cost balance, its not the case of the unsecure ICE, that is only an "upgrade" of something that kills lots of ppl when crashing at high speed, i bet that Californians knows already this, French engineers are already sent in US to advice! see ya,
pumpofthevolume 3 years ago
Wow you really have a very poor opinion of Californians! Why would they request ICE with old technology. Otherwise, I don't see why you're concerned with a long ago addressed problem. With respect to energy and cost, it's all about cost vs. passengers vs. speed and so on, so we'll see which bidder wins. Hopefully California gets the most for their money, and is not tied to one high priced yet to be proven solution (AGV) because of biased people like you!!
NorskeDivision 3 years ago
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typhoon7205 3 years ago
Maglev is operational in China, and they're getting the right of way for the 164km Shanghai Hangzhou line, why do you have to claim it isn't operational? Now I have to check if everything else you've claimed is actually true or not.
NorskeDivision 3 years ago
Sounds plausible, I was just responding to someone else who claimed TGV is the fastest operationally... it isn't. AGV, cool, Japan, Siemens and so on are also not sitting on their laurels, their next version will also be faster than the Valero. Anyway, further minor increases in speed for traditional rail are kind of meaningless since the real limiting factor is rails to run them on. Also, we WANT strong competition, it keeps down prices and strengthens innovation!! :D
NorskeDivision 3 years ago
Imagine if back when steam engines first took off if people just agreed that Sharp & Roberts sold the best engines, and waited to build until they could get a Sharp & Roberts engine. I imagine we'd still be using steam engines...
NorskeDivision 3 years ago
>And can you explain me why did I pay 50$ last
>year when I go to Marseille from Paris by TGV???
（ ;´∀｀）That is a bargain sale price.
ShinjukuJogakuen 3 years ago
Oh! I had forgotten.
800 Series Shinkansen, 36cars.
ShinjukuJogakuen 3 years ago
Chūō Shinkansen (Maglev, over 500km/h, AD.2025)
Tokyo - Nagoya, about 300km, 40minutes
under ¥12000
Tokyo - Osaka, about 1hour
under ¥15000
16cars, 1000 Passengers
10/1hour, 100/1day
ShinjukuJogakuen 3 years ago
ShinjukuJogakuen 3 years ago
Paris-Marseille:
900km, 3h
50$
So please stop trolling here with your shitty comparisions. The TGV is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar better than the Shinkansen (and you've not seen the AGV yet...).
mariusrodrigo 3 years ago
America is behind behind behind ! what a shame we don't have anything close to what France, Germany or Japan has
We have the HUMMER though...
anyone wants to buy one! come on please help Hummer before it goes bankrupt.
emforty2 3 years ago
we need this! Vote yes on prop 1A! Think of the future! Let's stop mortgaging our children's futures and get some clean statewide public transit now!
dgalvan123 3 years ago
Driving will be fun again vs traffic, and maybe it can be cheaper to travel around california vs gas (unless people carpool?)? It will make California seem smaller, yet more connected.
But, what about California's bond rating and the amount of investment in the private sector?
blah69 3 years ago
High speed rail makes too much sense. We'll never see it here in the U.S.
buttercupthesweetnes 3 years ago
which highway is that i live 10 miniutes from san deigo i think its the 5 in ocenside
yoshi4life100 3 years ago
We WILL get HSR in all major cities and states across the U.S including and begining with California IF!! IF you vote *YES* on Proposition 1A and vote for Barack Obama. Barack Obama has shown COMPLETE support for building National HSR Infrastructure! Joe Biden is a DAILY Amtrak rider and Supports rail travel 100%. These two will get these projects built!
As Opposed to John MCcain who is a well known "Train Hater".
DaaYay 3 years ago
As much as Californians want High Speed Rail...I hope it happens soon. Not JUST for California, but for America as a whole. Look at other countries that have HSR:
Japan - The size of California.
South Korea - About the same size as Minnesota.
Spain - Slightly more than twice the size of Oregon.
France - slightly less than double the size of Colorado.
Taiwan - Slightly larger than the states of Maryland & Delaware combined.
Think about it...THOUSANDS of American jobs!
Modeltrainguy 3 years ago 4
i dont know why but that train kinda looks like a TGV. is it just me imagining things
Xterminator12381 3 years ago
I agree it looks quite a bit like the second gen TGV
mugshotesp 3 years ago
It's not a game like MSTS, it's a 3D animation showing what the high speed rail system will look like after it has been voted for proposal in November.
ChainChomp2 3 years ago
what is it the game?
who is the game?
AlexisQB 3 years ago
It's all good, but what happens when you arrive to San Diego or LA? You still need a car, because there's no usable public transportation and place is really spread out. In the end, even though you spend more on gas and time in traffic, you spend less because you don't have to pay for cabs or car rentals. This would work only in East Coast where cities are designed in such way that public transportation actually does serve its purpose. Acela tried, but obviously failed
duvasgabre 3 years ago
duvasgabre: they'd make public transportation available,they wouldn't just throw you on a train to ride it with no connections via bus,cab,or whatever.
xifxixstumblex 3 years ago
Yes, and thank you.
mikokat 3 years ago
Well, we ARE going to operate at 220. At 125, it'll basically be another Acela.
mikokat 3 years ago
I just gotta ask, why shouldn't we operate at 220 like it says?
mikokat 3 years ago 3
Brilliant Concept! Notice in the video the Passenger Trains and Freight Trains are on separate tracks?
THAT'S what faster passenger train service is all about. Again, as I stated before we never got this built because 'politics GOT in the way'.
As it stands now 'Passenger AND Freight' trains share the same tracks. Slow moving freight trains hold up fast moving passenger trains.
American Railroads just never wanted to spend the money. Japan, for example, DID spend the money!
Modeltrainguy 3 years ago 2
The high-speed train in US are only virtual like the one in the video...
SoundAssembler 3 years ago
In US the high-speed train are only virtual like the train in the video... LoL
SoundAssembler 3 years ago 3
just what california needs. more government subsidies
smappyrulz 3 years ago
Yeah you do unfortunately... as I recall anything over 90 MPH requires cab signals.
Jaanfo 3 years ago
this is the only high speed rail you will ever see in usa. :(
granskare 3 years ago
Ya man! America only uses highways and hummers. Screw the maglev trains.
itsanthonyhere 3 years ago
What are you talking about, there's the Acela--wait, I see your point.
mikokat 3 years ago
thanks..I recall a travel agent in Moline IL who, before I-5, Moline area to Chicago, was strongly supporting a dedicated route within the confines of the interstate but of course the airlines and auto companies had stronger pull in Washington and so an opportunity was lost. It's still possible with redesigned overpasses and won't be cheap. Electrified lines would be super.
granskare 3 years ago
2 years ago I'd agree with those who say this wouldn't work. But today? I have friends (mid 20s) and kno families who can't afford to visit relatives 3-4 hours away cuz of gas. I think if they pushed this in the media, SAC-LA rd trp or SF-SD rd trp at reasonable price - even operating at a loss for a year for the publicity of cheap prices. Run it down 101 or 5 and let all the cars sitting in traffic watch the train fly by and then watch people switch over. Anyone have links for more info?
jasisrad 3 years ago
Weird. I was just reading some stuff on Eurostar that goes thru the chunnel and have also studied/worked in Italy where there's a Eurostar connection Milan-Florence-Rome-Naples(different company I'm guessing).I'm a native californian and my friends & i used to always take a sumr trip from sacramento-san diego. But with gas so high now & airlines a bitch I was thinking how nice to have a HST Sac-SF-LA-SD. SF-LA 2-3 hours. U could go for a night. But this is on Nov. ballot? I've heard 0 about it??
jasisrad 3 years ago
Highspeed link between NorCal and SoCal is all fine and dandy but I don't think it will fly. They are better off putting a high speed link between SFO, San Jose and Sacramento
nkikkeri 3 years ago
Get educated about High Speed Rail! Visit one of the many blogs at: cahsr(dot)blogspot(dot)com
DaaYay 3 years ago
I wish the California will use Japanese-built High speed train set.
cuttingwoodnow 3 years ago
Actually, THAT was the plan back in the early 1980's. A Reprisentative of the Shinkansen WANTED to bring the Japanese Bullet Trains to California. There was a program on PBS explaining all of that. Brilliant program!
Sadly, the Shinkansen never made it here.
Now, more than ever, many people are wondering why we STILL don't have high speed trains like France and Japan. What happened? Too many 'American' higher ups said 'no' to the plan. Becareful who you vote for.
Modeltrainguy 3 years ago 5
I believe the congress was brought to vote that Amtrak cannot purchase the best equipment such as that found in Europe and Japan. I suppose private companies could be permitted to lay railways which would allow high speed travel in high traffic areas such as both coasts. Even the Swedish railway, SJ, has better 2nd class sleepers than Amtrak's 1st class.
granskare 3 years ago
Agreed. American Manufactureres could have built the fast trains, seeing they could not be bought from Overseas.
Also, THOUSANDS of jobs are lost: To lay down new rail, put up new Overhead Powerlines for the trains, build new RR Stations, thousands of Wind Turbines to power the system. Extensive train test runs - like the TGV is done in France.
France, Japan, Germany & Taiwan - Fast Electric Trains.
It was an Inept Congress, Inept CEO's & Dirty Politics that killed the 1980's plan.
Modeltrainguy 3 years ago
How the Amtrak Acela run slow than many other high speed train from Europe and Asia? American-made high speeed train all might get slow less than 120 mph.
cuttingwoodnow 3 years ago
The main reason (I believe) is that they used the existing routes and tracks, and used tilting trains to go faster. The truly fast trains can't take those curves (fly off the tracks, dontchaknow), so you have to build a wholly new route that's designed for speed from the get-go (like they will in CA).
exppii 3 years ago 2
I dont think this kind of trains will be here in California due to too much politics...Europe and Asia much better and advanced than frigging California.
avd411 3 years ago
Agreed! Politics GOT in the way of High Speed Trains here in Corporate, America.
Modeltrainguy 3 years ago 3
Even a country as small as taiwan has their own HSR so why not California?
vancouverbluz 3 years ago 3
I've always hated california because of congested freeways, if they built this thing to traverse california from SD to SF via LA and especially OC and LB then i'll move to california!
vancouverbluz 3 years ago
frenchy train rule not your little train:)
tontonsteve 3 years ago
This would be so sweet if they built it
shadowstep77 3 years ago
Correction:
cahighspeedrail (dot) ca (dot) gov
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desertxpress (dot) com
DaaYay 3 years ago
Check out the Cal High Speed Rail BLOG:
cahsr.blogspot. com/
DaaYay 3 years ago
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mrkstr88 3 years ago
Wow. That was a stupid comment.
agardebring 3 years ago 7
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MrEiriku 1 year ago
it could be, however, that their choise of colours, are ones that are very easy to see from afar in order to avoid accidents and incidents from ocurring.
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UlvYngling 4 years ago
Blue and gold are California's state colors. :)
NC3D 3 years ago
When will they build it? Are they going to build it? Tell us more!
vancouverbluz 3 years ago