LaserDisc Lion King

[gemlaw10155]

so was this like the older version of dvd?

[thelionkinglover185]

@gemlaw10155 Yes

[ATARI800XLfan]

How would a person hookup to hear the Digital sound from movies, Would I just need a TosLink cable to a DTS receiver like a Kenwood to be able to heard digital sound then just have the Video hooked straight to the TV. Not AC-3 just normal Digital like in Jurassic Park, what would I need for AC-3.

[bloodshotclam]

The Lion King Laserdisc have the Walt Disney Masterpiece Collection logo, just like the VHS version from 1995.

[Staplesz]

oh no mufasa ;_;

I just bought my first laserdisk player and it is indeed amazing.

[hubzcaps]

fine monitor..i like it

[ShokaLion]

@KodyBoy555 The way the quality of old formats was described was in 'Horizontal Resolution'. The vertical resolution was the same for each one. The horizontal resolution of VHS was up to 240 lines, whereas the horizontal resolution of Laserdisc was 430 lines. DVD is 540 lines.

So laserdisc was the best part of double the detail of VHS tapes, and is only about 20% less detail than a DVD. assuming the disc and player are perfect.

[Dakkiller1]

Is the film from a digital transfer or a film transfer like the VHS of the film.

[Dakkiller1]

Is this LD comparable with players lacking Digital sound support?

Mine doesn't support digital sound, only analog sound.

[ATARI800XLfan]

Nice video. I have been looking at getting one but was wondering if this model auto switches from side a to side b or if you have to take it out, and if you would happen to know what models do, I have found one on ebay for 80 dollars or best offer. Thank you for your time

[aliciadom]

yeah your right, i just figured a bigger screen would work alot better

[Ondrix]

What kind of output ports does a LaserDisc player have? Do they use a standard A/V output set or did they have something different?

[hakemon]

@Ondrix Mine has composite and S-video.. But LaserDisc is stored as Composite, so using Composite is your best bet anyway.

[luisenyt]

Hey, i don't speak so much english, but is possible that you can rip this version and upload it to fans like me that are interested on this version?, thanks!!!

[hakemon]

@luisenyt Well first of all, that would be pirating. Second, it's not so easy. LaserDisc has digital sound like a music CD, but it's video is NTSC analog. It would require capturing, encoding, etc.

[luisenyt]

@hakemon uh, ok... i understand, but i really would like to have the disney's laserdisc rips to the collection, and is so hard to find them, actually there is a ldrip oh The Beauty and the Beast but there's nobody that can seed it... anyway, i understand your position, at least think it as a chance, thank you again

[TONYE17]

can you get dark knight on laserdisc

[hakemon]

@TONYE17 No, because LaserDisc stopped production around 2000's.. Players on the other hand stopped production just about a year ago.

[shechshire]

wow this is way better than VHS. I didn't even know Laser Disc existed when I was a little kid.

[Batamon1997]

How old is the TV?

[hakemon]

It's not a TV. It's a Sony PVM "Video Production Monitor" used for broadcasting, medial, or video editing.. It's one of the odder styles that wasn't "crate".

This one was used as a prop in the movie Honey I Shrunk The Kids.. It was the monitor to his computer in the attic.

[Batamon1997]

What's on side B?

[Marichan221]

I've only watch one thing in my life on a laser disk. Some old mini series with a young Ben Affleck. It was epic...

[Shulai1]

all DTS tracks on dvd is at half bitrate 768kb/s while laserdisc has the DTS at double that!

[LivelyLorikeet]

It looks like Laserdisc was ahead of the game in terms of presenting films in their theatrical aspect ratios; one reason I'm replacing all my old Disney VHS tapes with DVDs is that the ratios are cropped.

[senorverde09]

I never find LDs at flea markets. It's liked I'm cursed. Oh, and Sony sucked at making LDs and players. They were also cursed at it as well.

[Watcher3223]

Sony only made a handful of players that were worthwhile, such as the MDP-650.

As for making LDs, the problems stemmed primarily at Sony DADC USA in Terre Haute, Indiana.

Sony DADC Japan and Sony DADC Austria never had the problems DADC USA had. Unfortunately, most Sony LDs in North America were made by DADC USA.

However, the worst post-DiscoVision LDs ever made came from Technidisc.

[senorverde09]

Thanks for letting me know!

[mmichaelc]

That's because when "Disco Vision" closed there doors Technidisc bought all there used machinery and production equipment . So yes in the begining the laserdisc's weren't the best but over time the disc's got better with advancements in the manufacturing process. I still have disc's from Technidisc that play with no problems. The plant closed in 1996

[Watcher3223]

I'm not too sure about that.

For one thing, DiscoVision's equipment before Pioneer's acquisition and renovation of the Carson facility was quite primitive; more than likely, the old equipment was dismantled and destroyed by Pioneer.

When Technidisc started out, they were very inexperienced with making LDs and it showed with their first run of discs; they had problems even DiscoVision didn't have, including discs whose halves came completely apart.

[mmichaelc]

I worked for Technidisc from 1987-1996 the presses, glueline were from DiscoVision plant. How ever we had our own mastering machines for the stampers.

[Watcher3223]

Cool. Some first hand accounts.

What was your role at the company?

And I wonder why Technidisc shut completely down?

I can understand closing the LD operation but you guys also made CDs and likely could've made inroads to DVD with no problem.

[mmichaelc]

I started off in Laserdisc production on the glue line, then moved up to running the injection presses. Also learned laserdisc qc.

Then moved to compact production learned all machines in there including silk screen printing.

Then moved on to the packaging department learn all the machines there.

So in a given day I could fill in any operator's job in production.

The reason Technidisc closed down was because Ld operation wasn't making the money it was.

[mmichaelc]

We did make CD's but the lack of large cd production runs made it imposible to make enough money to keep the plant open. When we closed the plant I demonstrated the cd packaging machines to Pioneer's plant manager which they bought the machines

[Watcher3223]

Sorry to hear about that.

[mmichaelc]

Thanks I really liked that job.

[Watcher3223]

You mentioned that you worked beginning in 87. Technidisc's problems were around 84-85, so you were there during or after Technidisc's 1st retooling.

The later stuff was better, but, with a couple of Technidisc CLV/CAAs I have, the video doesn't appear to be as clean as yields from Pioneer or from DADC USA that didn't rot.

"Gargoyles: The Movie" and "Jazzvisions: the many faces of Bird."

The only pressing I have that seemed slightly worse is my copy of "Short Time," made by PDO in England.

[mmichaelc]

The first retooling when the video injection machines got new molds and robot arms.

[Watcher3223]

Did any of the injection molding and sputtering equipment make it from DiscoVision?

[mmichaelc]

Yes 2 of the Injection molding machines and the sputtering machines made too technidisc

[Watcher3223]

I presume they were either replaced or rebuilt in the retoolings.

[mmichaelc]

both

[Watcher3223]

For my pressing of "Short Time," I think I ought to substitute "slightly" with "significantly."

My PDO pressing of this movie is far noisier than any of my Technidisc pressings and even my sole WEA pressing (Freejack).

[mmichaelc]

The equipment that was dismantled and destroyed most likely was there mastering equipment.

[Watcher3223]

As for your discs, more than likely, your discs originated from the late 1980s onwards, when the biggest problems Technidisc had were largely fixed through no less than 2 complete retools of their replication space, though they still had some issues that would result in some rather substantial crosstalk distortion with extended play discs, even up to the point when they went out of business.

[suedebear]

Dear god.. im not the only one to still use their old laser disc to play movies.

Gotta love nostalgia!

[JoeNostalgiaReturns]

LaserDisc is awesome, I wanna get my player fixed!!!

[hakemon]

I'm watching Species on mine right now.

[azzarox6661]

Wow. It's sure... different. What I can't understand is why they'd release a 1994 movie on an already obsolete system? Any ideas on that one?

[hakemon]

laserdisc only officially died earlier this year..

[azzarox6661]

Really? Well, that's interesting!

[Ravoc86]

The LD version of TLK came out the same time as the VHS version did, which was early March of 1995 I think. Laserdiscs sure were awesome though...wish they would've took off. :(

[ShokaLion]

What in 1994 was better than Laserdisc? DVD certainly wasn't around then.

[Riddler95]

Nothing was better than Laserdisc in 1994. It remained the State of the Art format up until DVD came out.

Some people go as far as saying that some of the early DVDs that came out weren't so high in quality and the Laserdisc editions were superior.

[nogoodgamer]

I'll stick to blu-ray i think

[ekkostar]

The LD of Lion King had much better cover art than the VHS and DVD editions.

[over18]

and the picture quality of the transfer is damn good..looks on par with the dvd, even.

[FrosChannel]

Do you know how much the Star Wars Laser Disc costs?

[Illianos]

was able to snag a sealed copy of The Lion King CAV Box Set off Ebay it was well worth $60.00 without a doubt one of the best box sets Disney put out next To The Hunchback of Notre Dame & Toy Story sets.

[Riddler95]

I own that set as well.

[SplatUr789z]

DUDE, UR AWSUME!!!!!!!!! u have a Lion King LaserDisc, & i alwayz wanted 2 c a LaserDisc (those thingz r huge!!!!! 00)

[Freezingred2]

Love the video! Thanks for posting! I always wanted to see laserdiscs!

[mosdan914]

Hmm... sort of like a record is to a cd, this to a dvd.

[simplynothing76]

more like a tape is to a cd as a laserdisc might have been to dvd or something there all obsolete eccept for dvds

[Phredreeke]

The video quality of a laserdisc is worse than a DVD but much better than VHS (higher resolution, more stable picture) comparable to a high quality analog tv broadcast.

The audio is 16-bit stereo PCM, same as audio cds.

[allen362002]

laserdisc's dont have copy protection on it.

[Watcher3223]

Here's why.

Macrovision works by putting bright pulses in the vertical blanking, which confuses a VCR's picture AGC, or Automatic Gain Control. When the pulses are at their brightest, the VCR turns down the picture gain resulting in a dim, unstable picture.

LaserDisc uses the vertical blanking to store information such as the chapter, disc type (CLV/CAA, CAV), time code, frame code for CAV LDs, and player control codes such as end of side, and so on. That leaves no room for Macrovision.

[JMein13074]

Is it possible to unite LD with HD?

[hakemon]

The Japanese already did. I think it was called MUSE LD or something like that. My knowledge on that old and rusty video format is flakey..

[Watcher3223]

High Definition LD was called "Hi-Vision" and worked using a Hi-Vision LaserDisc player coupled with a MUSE Video decoder to send a high definition analogue video signal to a high definition display.

In fact, you can even use the equipment and discs with modern HDTVs provided that there are component analogue inputs equipped in the display (Y, Pb, Pr) since the signal is extremely close to 1080i.

[pascalgienger]

MUSE was not real HDTV. It combined four HD pixels to one. Each frame updated 1/4 of the picture due to that so you needed 4 still frames to have one real hd image. On camera moves and on image parts with heavy movements the image quality was normal sdtv. I have some Japanese HiVision discs and it is easy to spot - the background of the film appears very fine and the acting character appears "normal", a little bit smeary. That was a very simple compression scheme! Ah: HiV-LDs start at >2400rpm!

[Watcher3223]

Thank you for your clarification.

I did know about Hi-Vision's high rotational speed.

[IntermittentSprocket]

I used to have one of those Sony monitors it's also used for computer use it had a touch screen thin plastic cover if I remember. Also that model is used in The Fly II (1989).

I saw a THX laserdisc copy on loan many years ago wonderful THX laserdisc pressing, I think it was the CLV version not the CAV version.

[hakemon]

Mine doesn't have a touch screen, but does have the computer port on the side, which I made a special cable to plug to my game consoles via RGB.

My LionKing LD is CLV. I want the CAV version though for the frame by frame feature, as my player has no buffer.

I didn't know my monitor was used in the Fly II.

[Jcc3279]

I HAVE A CAV VERSION AND A CLV VERSION BUT I JUST GOT BOTH MY PLAYERS WORKING I HAVE A SONY LASERDISC PLAYER AND A PIONEER LASERDISC PLAYER.

I JUST GOT DONE RESTORING THEM BOTH TODAY...

Mine work like new again....

I got both players from my parents since there are no longer used I also have 2 plastic storage crates of movies on laserdisc inlcuding Top Gun

[KelvintoKind3]

What model is ur Sony & Pioneer LD Player?

[Jcc3279]

The pioneer is a cld-d406

I GOT RID OF THE SONY BECAUSE THE POWER SUPPLY FAILED and when the power supply went bad it cooked the cord.

[Watcher3223]

What model was the Sony?

[lionkingrulez]

that's not a laser disk thats a recoard

[hakemon]

Learn your technology. It most certainly IS a Laserdisc.

If it was a record, there wouldn't be a picture on the TV. Hello!!!!!!!

[lionkingrulez]

i know but it's they size of a recoard

[hakemon]

That's how LaserDiscs are, they are big 12" discs.

[mmichaelc]

Your both have right and wrong. Yes that's a laserdisc. But your forgetting RCA'S CED format which was a video record in a hard plastic sleve that was inserted into the player. Most people got them confused back then. Which hurt Laserdisc sales back then.

[Watcher3223]

Part of LD's problem was RCA's CED format.

Another part was Pioneer's failure to adequately market LaserDisc.

Adding to that were problems with laser rot that affected a good number of discs in the early 1980s which, though corrected (impurities in the adhesive used to bond the disc halves caused the rotting, so refining the adhesive material and keeping up with QA throughout all parts of manufacturing will stop the problem), created a stigma that persisted with many people, even to this day.

[fearlessturk]

How much did that LD player set you back?

[GAMEREVIEWERMAN]

What about betamax?

[Daghead]

Were these up to DVD quality? How did they cost compared to VHS tapes? I suppose the players were more expensive.

[hakemon]

Better than VHS, but not as good as a DVD on picture quality.

Audio on the other hand can be better than DVD when in stereo format.

[Riddler95]

how recent was your LaserDisc Player Fixed ? what was the problem it was having ?

[hakemon]

The time this movie was recorded when it was fixed. The loading mech pully gear was broken.,

[crocz]

That's a horrible mutation of CD and Vinyl O____O

[hakemon]

Except laserdisc came first, and CD's came second.

(Laserdiscs came from the 70's, and CD's from the 80's)

[Riddler95]

I remember laserdisc, I still got a few, my began to die though, I have The Lion King CAV BoxSet.

[techforumz]

Those are huge!

[hakemon]

And the video is analog too. Not even digital (thats why when fast forwarding it looses sync).

Audio on this disc is AC3 Dolby Digital, and Digital Stereo (digital stereo tracks are the same great RedBook format used on CD audio discs, all uncompressed and every detail remains intact, where even the DVD release can't compete).

[tscastro114]

I've heard Blu-Ray also has uncompressed sound. For some reason they couldn't do it with DVD's.

[Watcher3223]

DVD was capable of streaming linear PCM, which is uncompressed.

However, PCM required more bandwidth while lossless codecs were in their infancy and not ready for consumer use when the DVD specification was finalized in the mid-1990s.

Therefore, lossy codecs, like Dolby Digital, allowed for reasonable sound quality with good video quality and other features during playback, such as multiple soundtracks.

Plus, by specification, all DVD-Video discs must have at least one Dolby Digital track.

[Riddler95]

DVD Audio was Uncompressed Auido.

[Watcher3223]

But DVD-Video could also have uncompressed PCM as well in the bitstream, up to 24-bits at 96 kHz.

But, practically, the bitstream is limited as other things must occupy it at the same time as well, so going with a perceptual CODEC, such as AC-3, instead of linear PCM frees up a lot of bandwidth for other things, such as lower compression for video and multiple audio tracks.

[YFWE08]

Thanks for enlightening me! :D

[YFWE08]

Thanks for enlightening me! :D