Yeah, those college campuses are magical places alright. Not only do they have some sort of magical barrier which secures them as 'gun free zones' but they also would apparently turn law-abiding citizens into crazed, armed maniac if they were ever allowed to be armed on campus.
how dumb can people be," well if we dont allow guns no one can get shot ", thats a great idea bob
Im going to go shoot as many people i can today, then shoot myself. damn it this place doesnt allow guns guess I'll go somewhere else.
Why do people need a gun on campus to shoot the guy that wants to shoot them and the people around me. Its probably a 1% change it will ever happen but Id rather be safe than sorry. which means Id rather be Alive then Dead
I guess when you step on campus your life is less valuable and less rightful to self-protect because of frat-boy stereotypes. They must imagine some loud, dumb frat-boy being held upside down over a keg and his gun falling from his waistline, going off, and killing another drunk frat-boy. I wish that just once, JUST ONCE, we could have the chance to have armed students and faculty during another inevitable mass-murder plot. We prevent crimes nearly a million times a year. This won't be different
why the hellz do you need a gun on campus unless you are going to shoot people? scared girls get a tazer or pepper spray, scared wussy man-pussies do the same or maybe take a karate class or something are you really incapable of defending yourself without a gun?? campus shootings are extremely rare
Well from what I understand about the cosmos, Life is extremely rare. Seems reasonable to have a tool ready to defend your extremely rare chance to be alive from an extremely rare situation that will take your life. "Incabable.. yourself with out a gun" There is only one type of defense, firearm defense. If you've been in a fight and you weren't sprinting away from it just before it started your nothing but a criminal. Run from fights, defend with guns.
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HELL NO guns should not be allowed on campus wtf why would they pass a bill like that knowing that the crime rate is rapidly increasing. That's why we have police officers at college universities, community colleges, and tech schools for protection. We just need more law enforcement on campus I am a democratic and I am against the bill. It would cause problems if college students were armed let the secruity do their job for christ sakes. Mr. President PLEASE DO NOT SIGN THAT BILL.
@Jmix91dak How is an officer on campus going to further help this issue? What will happen is your crazy bad guy will kill the cop first to make sure no one can oppose him then continue on his rampage. Have you ever heard of a CCW permit holder ever committing a crime? I never have? People that carry are you upstanding law abiding citizens. If Utah has never had an incident with CCW permit holders why do you believe every other state will?
@Jmix91dak....ever heard the saying "when seconds matter, the police are only minutes away." Look at VaTech. That massacre years ago, the police were called, and even after they were that man killed plenty more students. Had one student, in one of those classes been a good shot, calmed nerves, and a CCW, guarenteed the damage woulda been much less.
I've gotten several emergency texts on my phone from the school about reports of someone carrying a weapon on campus to stay indoors.... Awesome, So I get to stay indoors and hope they don't come to the classroom I am and if they do, oh well... sucks for me?
I don't see why law abiding citizens and permit holders cannot carry on campus... if someone wants to bring a gun on campus they will regardless of the law...
@kenfo0 Kenfoo, after you started harassing me I received several private messages from Youtube members saying that they have also been harassed by you. I don't care what you say, because you are a lier and obviously suffering from psychological problems. I hope you get the treatment you need. Until then, I don't feel safe carrying on a debate based on your anti-semetic hallucinations.
Before any of you go agreeing with "iamfreeru", you REALLY need to go check the guy out. He is EXACTLY the kind of person who is a danger to all around him. He is a dumbass who believes "tha jewz r tha kawz uv awl bad stuff". He is NOT someone you want on your side in a debate on concealed carry. he and other scum like him do harm to our rights.
@kenfo0 What the hell are you talking about? You dont even make sense, and your quote is completely fabricated. Its obvious that you are the "dumbass". Anyways back to the topic at hand, concealed carry. In current events, a concealed carry person could have stopped the murder of innocent victims such as Congresswoman Giffords and others.
@IamFreeRu I checked your page and posts. You are a nut, and you are still the dumbass. "anyways"??? Really? You have no idea what I believe about firearms laws. All I said is you are clearly a nut who SHOULDN'T be carrying a firearm. Lastly, retard, prolific firearm carry could have LIMITED, but unlikely "stopped" the killing. Words matter. Yours are silly, convoluted and crazy.
@kenfo0 I dont are what you think, and I am not going to respond to you anymore. You have been following me from video to video antagonizing me. I dont know how you do it, because my recent activity isnt shared on my page. So your obviously a lier! I do have a concealed carry license. I think the old lady that hit the gun out of the shooters hand "limited" the casualties, but a gun could have neutralized and completely stopped the murder of innocent victims, such as the sweet 9 year old girl.
@IamFreeRu I haven't followed you "from video to video". I have run into you on about 3 vids, making you a LIAR (figure out how "spelling" works, nut). You are a nut who believes "super-jew-zionists are everywhere trying to get you!". You are a nutter and should not have access to a firearm outside your own home. You didn't say "limit", you said "stop". You advocate shooting people before you know what's going on? yes, you just did you nutter. Don't forget to check under your bed for jews.
Here is the thing people, check YOUR STATES LAW! The states LAWS differ from Campus RULES! Here in PA the LAW says you can carry anywhere besides Federal buildings, state parks, etc... the only school regulations is grades K-12. It may be a campus rule you can't carry there, but i will break any rule to protect my life.
@Darusdei You would be correct in saying that. It's a pretty easy decision to make however. Carry concealed and break a rule not a law, or don't and let the person not following the law kill you. It's a personal choice and one people need to consider. Just dont be ignorant to the opportunities your states laws afford you.
swat takes around a half an hour to an hour to mobilize, cops take 5 to 10 minutes to arrive a nother 10 to form a perimeter then an unknown time later they decide to go in
do not rely on the govt or the police to protect you. fill your wallet with a CCW and fill your hand with a good gun. i went through the drills in my last year in high school. hunkering behind a desk is not going to stop a bullet. a man or women with logic and reason can stop a bullet, but giving a well placed bullet to the bad guy.
Someone please tell me the last time there was actually a fun party ON campus. College won't allow alcohol on campus. The real parties are all OFF campus where we can already carry.
What blind and cruel logic would ever suggest that the best way to defend myself is to hunker down under my desk Cold-War style, listening as my classmates down the hall scream their last screams, hoping only that the Police who are four minutes away will arrive in time to save my life.
I am convinced that concealed carry is the moral and just thing. Laws be damned. I'd rather attend a court hearing than a friend's funeral.
@majestytd It isn't up to them. Oregon state law prohibits any lesser forms of government from making laws concerning firearms. That being said the school does say that it will comply with local laws.
They do have the right to not allow you to carry in public buildings (schools), but concealed handgun license carriers are exempt.
@Rowskid86 The state preemption law has been on the books since the state entered the union. It has always been that way here. I hope it stays that way.
Some of the crap you people are coming up with is just dumb. I have been carrying a pistol for over a year and yes I am black and no I have not pulled it out once. I carry because I want to protect my family and myself. I have a permit and abide by the law. If these young people want to carry and abide by the law then I say by all means let them. I will bet money in some dumb ass knows he is going to be facing a room full of students with guns he wont mess with them.
In my state, it wasnt until this year that campus police where even allowed to carry a gun. These are fully trained and legal policeman that couldnt carry while on duty. How would an unarmed policeman stop a man shooting up a lecture hall? I will take my chances with defending myself. The statement "1000's of bullets flying around the room" is just stupid. A responsible gun owner would shoot at the target and would see all the other carriers and know they wouldnt need to draw.
Exactly what we need, instead of one armed student, we have 200 armed students terrified and freaking out, not knowing who shot first, shooting each other. instead of five bullets, maybe 1000 bullets flying all over the place.
Maybe a FEW armed ADULTS only authorized in cases of gun violence, but you never want a large number of armed civilians, mass hysteria + guns?
@TheGlobalpuppet have you ever been around Concealed Weapons Permit holders? Most, in my experience, have a grasp on what it means to carry a weapon for self defense. They do not think they are rambo. Armed students on college campuses will deter armed attacks on campus and provide an immediate end to them. We are not sheep an I'll be damned the second I ever move to a state or country where some self righteous politician has decided that I am unqualified to defend myself.
2:08 He just described exactly what military guys experience. So it's ok to join the military at 17, but not ok for a law abiding citizen to carry a handgun on campus at 21?!
I go to school in Utah and carry. I constantly run drills through my head of different threats and situations and how I would *theoretically* react to protect myself and my fellow students. We have plenty of campus police, but they arent everywhere. In my basement classes, cell phones dont work. Figure out how the heck the police will help you there. Anyway, I'd rather take the risk of untrained civilians running around with guns than prepared homocidal maniacs.
Its slowly gona get to the point that to keep us safe from the ever more violent world we are gona have to be under 24hour surveilence; we wont be allowed to protect ourselves, we will have to rely on extra control (saftey) measures. Here in NZ its illegal to point a firearm at sum 1 even if hes in ur house, just killed ur family and is coming to kill u. Nothing more than police throwing the toys out of the cot crying "but is our job to shoot bad guys! U cant! Its our job!
Everywhere I look the world is getting more unrational, emotional and easily lead astray by stupid politicians or interest groups. The gun/ anti gun debate is just another example of even if ur stance is logical and makes total sense most people just dont want to listen or for sum reason just dont understand reality. These anti gun wankers are so obsessed with getting their little world of PEACE that they will surrender anything, even their freedoms to get it. Sad really.
Wow. Guzman made that ex-FBI investigator look like a naive fool. When I was in school (2005-2009) there were never police officers stationed in the most populated lecture halls. Campus security is for writing tickets to student for riding bicycles on sidewalks. They are not equipped what so ever to be first responders. I would have felt much safer if there were CHL holders in those high value domestic-terror targets.
Responsible CCW's aren't going to come running to the scene to rescue others. We are trained not to involve ourselves in others crimes. We are NOT looking for a fight.
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this is rodney whitson and i feel that it wouldn't be a good idea for guns to be on campus. i feel that if we were to allow guns on campus than we should let it be at bigger university because small university like university of akron is like a high school compared to the Ohio State. overall its not a good idea because we do not need people with angery problems shootin each other over a grade or trying to be mr. big shot because i got a gun.
"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good." George Washington
I, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; so help me God.
I thought he did a nice job. A college campus is one of the most dangerous places in the country when it comes to assault and rape. I get text updates from my state school constantly about muggings and sexual assaults that have happened on campus. Each time the police were not first responders and they've never prevented an assault or crime. They simply showed up after the fact. The criminals will be carrying regardless of what the law says, and we're disarming the law abiding people.
Typical gvt agent preaching police are trained. The police have the monopoly on "protecing citizens", the right which belongs to the individual, not a gvt mandate. Gun crimes are more likely to happen in gun free zones.
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. Thomas Jefferson
"The police have the monopoly on "protecing citizens"
Actually, that's wrong. The courts have constantly ruled that the police have no duty to protect you. Their only duty is to enforce the law. The only person with the duty to protect you is you, which is why "gun free zones" should be abolished.
Absolutely correct. They cannot appear out of nowhere instantly to save your life. It is YOUR responsibility to protect yourself and family from criminals.
This F.B.I guy can go pound salt when the VT shooting happened all the well armored and armed cops sat outside until all the action ended. the kids inside only had books hmm.
Notice how Daly doesn't actually answer the question, he simply repeats the chatter of the gun control crowd. Also note that Daly is a former law enforcement officer, one of those people who would prefer that no one in the civilian population be armed.
The majority of gun violence in the US is compromised of suicides. I wish people would stop using this statistic to pad their arguments when talking about gun violence. Roughly 8 of 100,000 gun deaths in the US are suicides, only about 2 or 3 per 100,000 are murders.
Swimming pools are also proven to be 10 times more likely to take someone's life than a firearm. Not making that one up.
How often do you hear of shooting sprees occurring at police stations or gun shows? And how often do you hear of them occurring at schools, government buildings and other places that disallow civilian carry? Why do the states and cities with strong gun control laws also have the highest murder rates?
Fact of the matter is that murderers don't carry out their killing sprees in places where they know people will return fire in self-defense.
I think anyone with a CCW license and a brain is already bringing their weapon to college campuses without saying anything. If it's concealed, nobody is going to know anyway.
Obeying campus rules like this are the catalysts that cause shooting sprees in the first. If you stop the next Cho on your campus because you disobeyed the no gun policy, I hardly doubt anyone is going to turn it around on you. The other outcome is dozens of people dead.
Mike Guzman owned Bill Daly lol. What a great young man, making a good argument that no one should be able to deny but probably will unfortunately .........
the FBI guys argument that its no good with students running out of dorms with guns.... well, the whole point of concealed carry is to return fire within seconds of an attack, not wait 4-5 or even 10 minutes for the first police unit to arrive. any concealed gun would be holstered and the incident would be over by the time any type of law enforcement or armed campus security arrives.
If a criminal is on campus, he's going to conceal his weapon until he shots someone. That sign that says, "weapon free zone" does absolutely nothing to stop criminals. If you're going to commit a crime, the perfect place to do it is at a school full of unarmed students.
I think it's stupid that you can't defend yourself.
you are 100% absolutely correct. I just don't get why the stupid people don't realize that all gun control does is effectively take guns away from good, law-abiding citizens
no, they cant. I mean, just look at Virginia Tech. How long did that asian guy go around popping students until the police actually did a damned thing about it? He ended up killing 28 people and injuring another 16+. If that campus had students with concealed handguns, I guarantee he woulda been stopped alot sooner, thus saving many, many lives. On top of that, the Founding Fathers knew that ultimately you could only trust yourself for true protection. Virginia Tech is an obvious example of that
Nobody seems to remember that the cops haven't yet shot a shooter. So really, what "protection" from them could you get? At every shooting they just wait outside until SWAT comes.
I can See it now.Every time a book bag is dropped you have 20 18 year old kids in a defensive position pointiong a desert eagle at you with hollow tip 50 cals aimed right at your dome."sorry dude,my bad"
Imagine the asian students who are here for the first time.They will piss their pants.Image the letters they write home.Their parents will shit their pants."today I helped my room mate field strip his 1911""Much fun".
You have to be 21 to have a permit. Concealed carry is exactly what it sounds like. No one is supposed to know you're carrying until life and death situations occur. I bet you encounter more permit holders on a daily basis than you think. They take the responsibility very seriously.
Bad guys are already breaking the law when they decide to commit murder. That's like if I never got my drivers license but decided to run someone over. Who is going to argue if I was fit to have a license?
Just craziness.College is expensive.Here is an Idea.Place a cop in every dorm.larger presence on campass.Not my job to be a student,peace officer,teacher,fireman,etc.All we need is send our kids off to school where kids check their guns in at the student union.While we are at it do I need to hand out speeding tickets as well.Amazing
Come on "Former FBI Investigator", how many scenes have you come across where the victims may have had a chance if they had a weapon. As a former federal law enforcement officer, I'm sure you carry a weapon to protect yourself and family from people you've put away. Well, there are kids everywhere you go. Maybe its not safe for an old timer like you who no longer qualifies yearly to be carrying. What gives you the right to belittle our right to life when you already have it.
The problem with Bill Daly's logic here is that police response takes time. Seung Hui Cho killed 31 people, including himself, in the nine minutes it took for the police to get to him.
I fail to see why you mentioned this. It's an irrelevant statement, really, unless you mention the fact that he DIDN'T go through the process to get a CCL and he STILL carried concealed weapons on campus and killed everyone he could. Also, that nobody else on campus had any significant means of defense.
it doesn't matter, because he premeditated his murders. There was no point for him to apply for a concealed carry because he was going to commit an even greater crime anyway. Also, your statement is obsolete, because that kid carried his guns into school inside a backpack, so he was carrying them concealed, just illegally. So thats another reason to allow concealed carry onto school campuses
If Im sitting in class, and a student pulls out a gun I want to protect myself. I cant wait for the police to get to the scene. I may be killed. I am for Concealed Carry on Campus.
@nela04 Swat doesnt open fire on people unless they are shooting. Anways, by the time they do arrive the gunmen will be neutralized. Concealed Carry should be regulated for only a select few individuals.
@Darusdei If you are sitting in a university class with 40 other students and one of then stands up presenting a handgun, whilst claiming to take his life and many others. I am sure that in that moment a student with the proper certification and license could end the situation before it could escalate to a full blown school shooting massacre, such as Virginia Tech. In those few moments, the school shooter would be neutralized before police would even make it to the scene. Just think.
@IamFreeRu those who have done the school shootings have prepared for it, i dont think that some student with few hours at gun range is the answer, worst case he will make the situation even worse...
@Darusdei Well then what is a police officer? A older man that has also put in a few hours at the gun range. I guess if you were in that class with a school shooter you would rather wait for the police, and by that time you might be dead. The police would arrive only to clean up the mess and carry the bodies out. Look at Google images and you'll see what I mean. I am not willing to risk my life waiting for a old man with a gun when I have one in my backpack.
@Darusdei Well then what is a police officer? A older man that has also put in a few hours at the gun range.I guess if you were in that class with a school shooter you would rather wait for the police, and by that time you might be dead. The police would arrive only to clean up the mess and carry the bodies out. Look at Google images and you'll see what I mean.I am not willing to risk my life waiting for a old man with a gun when I have one in my backpack. School shooters prey on the defenseless
Colleges don't ban all of these defensive items to protect students. The reason they do it is to avoid liability if there is an incident. They can simply say, "we did all we could--we banned (fill in the blank)". If they even allow brass knuckles and someone uses them, they could be sued for not prohibiting them--thus not "protecting" the college campus.
then change the law to allow firearms for self defence and (God forbid) if there is an incident, the campus and students will be protected. The only way to stop a crazed gunman (or woman) is to shoot back. When seconds count, the police are only minutes away. Usually they are busy shooting radar and making money for their city by searching for code breakers and fullfilling their ticket quota so their city could have extra income via driving law taxes.
violence will occur with or without guns. Violence is a basic human behavior. Weather i strangle you with a belt or stab you with a pen are you gonna ban those next lol. If you beat someone with a shoe are you gonna ban those? get real violence is a part of life get over it. wheather or not it is deadly depends on the home enviormant and the maturity level of the people involved. disipline and responsibility apon people at home will help control the violence in america
In 1994 in Rwanda, the Hutus massacred 400,000 Tutsis with only machetes, pickaxes and knives. Even if you take away guns, people can still kill each other quite well. What do you think armies did before the middle ages to exterminate villages? Guns have not made humans any more or less violent, and disarmament will not solve the problem.
allowed or not, there has been far to many school shootings of recent, as a CHL (concealed handgun licence) holder i take great care to keep my Glock 30 concealed, b/c no one needs to know and as long as they dont know, there is no problem. But ill be damned if im going to let somone come in and gun down me or my class mates while we wait for the police to talk the guy out of it.
well said, i agree 100%. at the end of the day guns dont kill people, people kill people and they always will, but its always the good people that are being killed. if students were able to carry on campus less students would be dead as a result of the recent school shootings becouse he would have been taken out sooner..
Colorado State University allows for Concealed Carry that many students didn't know existed. Its been there and no one knew, which means no one was being stupid and those that were carrying have been responsible with keeping it concealed.
I like this Mike Guzman though. Very well spoken. With all due respect Mr. FBI, you don't know what you're talking about.
i can only see one problem with this, i personaly would love to see this happen cause i carry my XD everywhere, but im very careful to keep my gun "Concealed" at all times, however im not sure how some students would act if they see another student's shirt rise up and see and gun tucked in. They personaly would know if it was a shooter, or a concealed carrier. That would be the only argument i could see that would make sense.
I agree with you that some students might freak out. They certainly would freak out now, because few universities allow concealed carry.
But I think once it was common knowledge that CCW is allowed on campus, people might be more used to it (though I agree they should always be concealed).
Anyway, the people who did shoot students usually weren't discreet at all and didn't try to conceal.
I have a friend that told me a story about how he was escorting a prisoner cuffs and orange jump suit on, on a plane. When some lady saw he had a gun inside his suit. She freaked out called the flight attendent, he had to show proof of why he had a gun and all and all a big ordeal out of nothing. Thought it was a funnny story, however your right. I would also be carefull but it takes one person to freak out. However a plane is diffrent no one can have one on there normaly.
And why stop on college campuses, if the goal is for people to be able to stop crimes themselves? Why not just make it so that anyone with a permit can carry a concealed gun anywhere at any time? Wouldn't we all just be sooooo safe if we all had concealed guns on us at all times?
yea your right JRserver i do have a carry all the time i dont really go to gun free zones . and i do feel safe with my glock19 at my side and i have been carrying for 5yrs with no problem
Gun - Free Zones are an invitation for criminals to use people as a shooting gallery. They simply see it as a place they can go and shoot people up and no one will shoot back.
So everybody had a gun during the massacre at Virginia Tech, are they all going to ask the first person they see carrying a gun, "Excuse, are you the crazy guy who brought a gun on campus today?", or are they going to panic and shoot without knowing who they're shooting at?
Its a question of self defense. I would prefer to be able to defend myself in a bad situation then have to just sit their and plead for my life knowing that it would probably do no good. If I can defend myself I have a chance.
hey asshole it the guy usuall shotting everyone and the one people are running away from just thought u should know , and i dont shoot till i have a clear visual of my target in self defense u fuck
Knowing where your target is is not the same thing as knowing that you are indeed hitting the shooter and not some other frightened person carrying their licensed gun.
And by the way, you might wanna work on your spelling and grammer. I had to read your message several times before I could fully understand your incoherent dribble. Then again, your mangling of the English language may very well have proven my point for me.
It's pretty easy to see if some one raises a gun to you with intent to harm you. In the shootings that have happened in schools, the shooter was just going at it. Pretty easy to see a guy firing at anything that moves is a threat.
I'm talking about if you see someone from a distance who doesn't see you with their licensed gun. How can you possibly tell if their shooter or just an innocent bystander (and how can they tell the same about you if they see you?)
I am a chl holder and a college student at Sam Houston State Univ. in huntsville texas, and I am for carring. the majority of people living on campus at SHSU are freshman/sophmore, and are not of age to obtain a CHL any way. with that said i belive that if you have a CHL and live off campus like myself, you should be able to carry. Keeping guns out of dorm rooms, allowing CHL holders to carry would create a win win situation.
Man thats BS. What kind of MORONS do we have running this country. If the rest of us know that if students are allowed to carry a concealed handgun, why doesnt Washington? Its not that hard to figure out. I agree with you 100%. In fact I believe students should be allowed to carry in a classroom. If a gunman knows that students are unarme a classroom, thats one less thing for him to worry about. We dont want that, Right?
before every dictator took office they banned weapons, hitler, stalin, pol pot etc. The police and government make the presumption that the American people are idiots and can't act for themselves and we need to be protected from ourselves. Thats not the kind of legislation our country needs or was formed on
I feel a good middle ground would be to have certain students act as a kind of "part-time police officer". Just certain students, who would have to meet the same qualifications as a normal officer of the law would, be given a simple uniform so they may be identifiable by other officers and given the right to carry as they attend classes as a normal student. Maybe even get paid as a campus security officer would. It would be like cops in class.
this is not practical, this argument is about the right to bear arms and the right any civilian has to protection, the FBI say the enviroment is not suitable however is a campus any different to any town?
Its a statistical fact that if a man breaks into a house he shoot the man first, if he robs a jewelry store he shoot the man first, so if he wants to shoot up a school he will shoot the guy in the uniform first. Pint is he takes out the biggest threat first. Kinda defeats the whole point of the concealed weapon theory where its better the shooter does not know who has the gun.
Give the students who carry concealed uniforms that they must wear at all times on campus.
Makes them easier to point out and plink off.
The point of concealed carry is that no one else knows you are packing a mohaska, which can give the carrier a tactical advantage; the attacker may not know and may not expect that one of his victims is packing.
Make people who carry a gun wear one type of clothing that identifies them as carrying defeats the purpose of concealed carry.
Why would you point out the same thing someone already did?
Plus, once i realized what would be wrong with what i said it was too late, i had already hit the "post comment" button.
Yeah, uniforms are bad, but at the time I was thinking about the point the FBI guy brought up and was trying to make a solution for it. Because some rookie officer might shoot the wrong guy if three people have out a gun.
Of course we could all just start wearing Bullet Proof Vests to school.
The other thing to consider is that gunfights only tend to last for seconds; more than likely if an armed student was carrying and engaged in a fight with a deranged shooter, either one or possibly both would be killed at their own hands before the authorities could even arrive.
Gun battles in civil settings involving people in contest with each other that last more than 30 seconds are only in the movies.
Listen, the cops wouldn't have a problem finding the offender, because the offender would be pointing his gun at the police officers, it takes just a little common sense for people to realize that the cops wouldn't have a problem recognizing the perpetrator. Not to mention that if the cops come into an area, set down your gun and inform them that your a concealed carry permit holder, then wait for further instructions on what to do, piece of cake.
man this is crazy.. sorry to be so harsh but.. WHY HAVE GUNS IN THE FIRST PLACE.. i love america when i went there but their gun laws are just moronic.. the only reason why they allow guns is not for defense but so that all the wrong people make proffit from the guns.. no legal guns = fewer maniacs getting hold of them.. please this whole thing is so dumb
finaly an intellegent answer.. like i say i understand this entirely.. its just the usa's take on the law that baffles me in the most respect i find this law / ammendment so stupid.. its clear to me that if guns were illegal more lives would be saved (thats not to say you wont get killed by a gun) but its less likely
no the point i was making was that because guns cant just dissapear, making them illegal is pointless because then you just become a victim. criminals will still be criminals and carry!
And making guns illegal does not make them go away.
On the contrary, all they do is criminalize those who wouldn't use a gun against others in malice to begin with while it would be business as usual to criminals who choose to remain armed, including those who buy their guns from illegal channels and wouldn't risk themselves to police and government scrutiny by buying a gun from a federally licensed firearms dealer.
guns dont kill people do thats 101 go move to canada if u dont like it. they have requirements not everyone can get a ccp and thats why its a good idea.....duh
I think concealed carry on all campuses would be a great idea, if VT would have allow legal CCW holders to carry there weapons, the problem with that wacko would have been resolved way before the law enforcement even got the call. Go concealed carry, right on
Saying we shouldn't have concealed weapons because there are police is like saying we shouldn't teach cpr to the general public because there are paramedics. its just stupid.
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Well there's a fine line between those who are slaughtered and those doing the slaughtering. Letting people carry concealed weapons anywhere is just ridiculous, I don't want to be murdered because some hick thinks he can do what he wants with his gun. You can keep your guns, just keep them away from the public.
Cities with no allowed concealed or open carry have tremendous amounts of gun crimes, whereas areas that allow concealed or open carry of firearms have considerably LESS gun crime. Why? Because you're less likely to try to hold up, mug, assault, or murder someone when they could be armed. A disarmed populace cannot defend itself.
If the country reserves the right to send 18 year olds off to war then the country owes 18 year olds their full rights.
CitrusLizard 5 days ago
i didnt know i couldnt carry on campus woops
TACRat47 1 week ago
on campus swat teams/ delta force then?
SRGTHALO 1 week ago
Yeah, those college campuses are magical places alright. Not only do they have some sort of magical barrier which secures them as 'gun free zones' but they also would apparently turn law-abiding citizens into crazed, armed maniac if they were ever allowed to be armed on campus.
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neverpanic 7 months ago
how dumb can people be," well if we dont allow guns no one can get shot ", thats a great idea bob
Im going to go shoot as many people i can today, then shoot myself. damn it this place doesnt allow guns guess I'll go somewhere else.
Why do people need a gun on campus to shoot the guy that wants to shoot them and the people around me. Its probably a 1% change it will ever happen but Id rather be safe than sorry. which means Id rather be Alive then Dead
JeepGuy114 8 months ago
I guess when you step on campus your life is less valuable and less rightful to self-protect because of frat-boy stereotypes. They must imagine some loud, dumb frat-boy being held upside down over a keg and his gun falling from his waistline, going off, and killing another drunk frat-boy. I wish that just once, JUST ONCE, we could have the chance to have armed students and faculty during another inevitable mass-murder plot. We prevent crimes nearly a million times a year. This won't be different
bigstabby 8 months ago
why the hellz do you need a gun on campus unless you are going to shoot people? scared girls get a tazer or pepper spray, scared wussy man-pussies do the same or maybe take a karate class or something are you really incapable of defending yourself without a gun?? campus shootings are extremely rare
YOYOdaMOOSE 9 months ago
@YOYOdaMOOSE
Well from what I understand about the cosmos, Life is extremely rare. Seems reasonable to have a tool ready to defend your extremely rare chance to be alive from an extremely rare situation that will take your life. "Incabable.. yourself with out a gun" There is only one type of defense, firearm defense. If you've been in a fight and you weren't sprinting away from it just before it started your nothing but a criminal. Run from fights, defend with guns.
desertdude1234 9 months ago 3
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HELL NO guns should not be allowed on campus wtf why would they pass a bill like that knowing that the crime rate is rapidly increasing. That's why we have police officers at college universities, community colleges, and tech schools for protection. We just need more law enforcement on campus I am a democratic and I am against the bill. It would cause problems if college students were armed let the secruity do their job for christ sakes. Mr. President PLEASE DO NOT SIGN THAT BILL.
Jmix91dak 10 months ago
@Jmix91dak How is an officer on campus going to further help this issue? What will happen is your crazy bad guy will kill the cop first to make sure no one can oppose him then continue on his rampage. Have you ever heard of a CCW permit holder ever committing a crime? I never have? People that carry are you upstanding law abiding citizens. If Utah has never had an incident with CCW permit holders why do you believe every other state will?
FreelanceEMT 10 months ago 2
@Jmix91dak....ever heard the saying "when seconds matter, the police are only minutes away." Look at VaTech. That massacre years ago, the police were called, and even after they were that man killed plenty more students. Had one student, in one of those classes been a good shot, calmed nerves, and a CCW, guarenteed the damage woulda been much less.
vachamps 1 month ago
Its about damn time! I love my state!
WINSTON4747 11 months ago 2
I am for this, I hope they do let them carry. And even if more guns doesn't make the school more safe, at least it makes it even.
crest2598 11 months ago 3
I've gotten several emergency texts on my phone from the school about reports of someone carrying a weapon on campus to stay indoors.... Awesome, So I get to stay indoors and hope they don't come to the classroom I am and if they do, oh well... sucks for me?
I don't see why law abiding citizens and permit holders cannot carry on campus... if someone wants to bring a gun on campus they will regardless of the law...
M5Beast 1 year ago 5
@kenfo0 Kenfoo, after you started harassing me I received several private messages from Youtube members saying that they have also been harassed by you. I don't care what you say, because you are a lier and obviously suffering from psychological problems. I hope you get the treatment you need. Until then, I don't feel safe carrying on a debate based on your anti-semetic hallucinations.
IamFreeRu 1 year ago
Before any of you go agreeing with "iamfreeru", you REALLY need to go check the guy out. He is EXACTLY the kind of person who is a danger to all around him. He is a dumbass who believes "tha jewz r tha kawz uv awl bad stuff". He is NOT someone you want on your side in a debate on concealed carry. he and other scum like him do harm to our rights.
kenfo0 1 year ago
@kenfo0 What the hell are you talking about? You dont even make sense, and your quote is completely fabricated. Its obvious that you are the "dumbass". Anyways back to the topic at hand, concealed carry. In current events, a concealed carry person could have stopped the murder of innocent victims such as Congresswoman Giffords and others.
IamFreeRu 1 year ago
@IamFreeRu I checked your page and posts. You are a nut, and you are still the dumbass. "anyways"??? Really? You have no idea what I believe about firearms laws. All I said is you are clearly a nut who SHOULDN'T be carrying a firearm. Lastly, retard, prolific firearm carry could have LIMITED, but unlikely "stopped" the killing. Words matter. Yours are silly, convoluted and crazy.
kenfo0 1 year ago
@kenfo0 I dont are what you think, and I am not going to respond to you anymore. You have been following me from video to video antagonizing me. I dont know how you do it, because my recent activity isnt shared on my page. So your obviously a lier! I do have a concealed carry license. I think the old lady that hit the gun out of the shooters hand "limited" the casualties, but a gun could have neutralized and completely stopped the murder of innocent victims, such as the sweet 9 year old girl.
IamFreeRu 1 year ago
@IamFreeRu I haven't followed you "from video to video". I have run into you on about 3 vids, making you a LIAR (figure out how "spelling" works, nut). You are a nut who believes "super-jew-zionists are everywhere trying to get you!". You are a nutter and should not have access to a firearm outside your own home. You didn't say "limit", you said "stop". You advocate shooting people before you know what's going on? yes, you just did you nutter. Don't forget to check under your bed for jews.
kenfo0 1 year ago
@kenfo0 Im not replying to you anymore. You are obviously crazy, and keep fabricating quotes. Piss off.
IamFreeRu 1 year ago
Here is the thing people, check YOUR STATES LAW! The states LAWS differ from Campus RULES! Here in PA the LAW says you can carry anywhere besides Federal buildings, state parks, etc... the only school regulations is grades K-12. It may be a campus rule you can't carry there, but i will break any rule to protect my life.
rtb207 1 year ago
@rtb207 then you're not welcome to that school, pretty simple.
Darusdei 1 year ago
@Darusdei You would be correct in saying that. It's a pretty easy decision to make however. Carry concealed and break a rule not a law, or don't and let the person not following the law kill you. It's a personal choice and one people need to consider. Just dont be ignorant to the opportunities your states laws afford you.
TheRyanwes 1 year ago
swat takes around a half an hour to an hour to mobilize, cops take 5 to 10 minutes to arrive a nother 10 to form a perimeter then an unknown time later they decide to go in
TheKentuckykid9513 1 year ago
When I have seconds and cops are minutes away, I want to protect myself.
armypenguin 1 year ago
do not rely on the govt or the police to protect you. fill your wallet with a CCW and fill your hand with a good gun. i went through the drills in my last year in high school. hunkering behind a desk is not going to stop a bullet. a man or women with logic and reason can stop a bullet, but giving a well placed bullet to the bad guy.
mark3smle 1 year ago
Someone please tell me the last time there was actually a fun party ON campus. College won't allow alcohol on campus. The real parties are all OFF campus where we can already carry.
robberfly67 1 year ago
What blind and cruel logic would ever suggest that the best way to defend myself is to hunker down under my desk Cold-War style, listening as my classmates down the hall scream their last screams, hoping only that the Police who are four minutes away will arrive in time to save my life.
I am convinced that concealed carry is the moral and just thing. Laws be damned. I'd rather attend a court hearing than a friend's funeral.
SgtToadette 1 year ago
A SWAT squad showing up 2 minutes after an incident doesn't do me any good if I get shot in the first 75 seconds.
JDPatriot 1 year ago
That is untrue that utah is the only state. I carry on campus in Oregon.
TheHossUSMC 1 year ago
@TheHossUSMC you carry but does the school let you?
majestytd 1 year ago
@majestytd It isn't up to them. Oregon state law prohibits any lesser forms of government from making laws concerning firearms. That being said the school does say that it will comply with local laws.
They do have the right to not allow you to carry in public buildings (schools), but concealed handgun license carriers are exempt.
TheHossUSMC 1 year ago
@TheHossUSMC
The Video is also 3 years old. Was your laws changed recently?
Rowskid86 1 year ago
@Rowskid86 The state preemption law has been on the books since the state entered the union. It has always been that way here. I hope it stays that way.
TheHossUSMC 1 year ago
''Confusing police that arive on the scene'' Like the ones a Virginia Tech that didnt do shit!!! Gimme a fuckn break!!!
LWAEJGK19 1 year ago
YES, WE NEED TO CARRY CONCEALED.
AFROROOTS 1 year ago 2
The consequenses of this kind of idiotic legislation:
Va Tech- 32 lives
University of Texas- 16 lives, 32 wounded
University of Iowa- 5 lives, 2 wounded
University of Arizona- 4 lives
Appalachian School of Law- 3 lives, 3 wounded
San Diego State- 3 lives
And that's just the university shootings I could find. Grade schools? Shopping centers? Gun Free zone= Free Fire zone. CARRY A WEAPON PEOPLE.
University of Arkansas- 2 lives
apamburn 1 year ago
Some of the crap you people are coming up with is just dumb. I have been carrying a pistol for over a year and yes I am black and no I have not pulled it out once. I carry because I want to protect my family and myself. I have a permit and abide by the law. If these young people want to carry and abide by the law then I say by all means let them. I will bet money in some dumb ass knows he is going to be facing a room full of students with guns he wont mess with them.
urboyTheTruth 1 year ago
@urboyTheTruth good one..
majestytd 1 year ago
In my state, it wasnt until this year that campus police where even allowed to carry a gun. These are fully trained and legal policeman that couldnt carry while on duty. How would an unarmed policeman stop a man shooting up a lecture hall? I will take my chances with defending myself. The statement "1000's of bullets flying around the room" is just stupid. A responsible gun owner would shoot at the target and would see all the other carriers and know they wouldnt need to draw.
drumminshooter 1 year ago
as they say, "when seconds count, the police are only minutes away."
spwebb7771 1 year ago
Exactly what we need, instead of one armed student, we have 200 armed students terrified and freaking out, not knowing who shot first, shooting each other. instead of five bullets, maybe 1000 bullets flying all over the place.
Maybe a FEW armed ADULTS only authorized in cases of gun violence, but you never want a large number of armed civilians, mass hysteria + guns?
TheGlobalpuppet 1 year ago
@TheGlobalpuppet have you ever been around Concealed Weapons Permit holders? Most, in my experience, have a grasp on what it means to carry a weapon for self defense. They do not think they are rambo. Armed students on college campuses will deter armed attacks on campus and provide an immediate end to them. We are not sheep an I'll be damned the second I ever move to a state or country where some self righteous politician has decided that I am unqualified to defend myself.
apamburn 1 year ago
Thanks to Mike Guzman for sticking up for our rights.
rocbola 1 year ago
2:08 He just described exactly what military guys experience. So it's ok to join the military at 17, but not ok for a law abiding citizen to carry a handgun on campus at 21?!
MattP12 1 year ago
How can the campus make rules that are anti constitutional?
circusboy90210 1 year ago
I go to school in Utah and carry. I constantly run drills through my head of different threats and situations and how I would *theoretically* react to protect myself and my fellow students. We have plenty of campus police, but they arent everywhere. In my basement classes, cell phones dont work. Figure out how the heck the police will help you there. Anyway, I'd rather take the risk of untrained civilians running around with guns than prepared homocidal maniacs.
apamburn 1 year ago
@apamburn well said my friend well said.
urboyTheTruth 1 year ago
Its slowly gona get to the point that to keep us safe from the ever more violent world we are gona have to be under 24hour surveilence; we wont be allowed to protect ourselves, we will have to rely on extra control (saftey) measures. Here in NZ its illegal to point a firearm at sum 1 even if hes in ur house, just killed ur family and is coming to kill u. Nothing more than police throwing the toys out of the cot crying "but is our job to shoot bad guys! U cant! Its our job!
ginjaninja1988 1 year ago
Everywhere I look the world is getting more unrational, emotional and easily lead astray by stupid politicians or interest groups. The gun/ anti gun debate is just another example of even if ur stance is logical and makes total sense most people just dont want to listen or for sum reason just dont understand reality. These anti gun wankers are so obsessed with getting their little world of PEACE that they will surrender anything, even their freedoms to get it. Sad really.
ginjaninja1988 1 year ago
Wow. Guzman made that ex-FBI investigator look like a naive fool. When I was in school (2005-2009) there were never police officers stationed in the most populated lecture halls. Campus security is for writing tickets to student for riding bicycles on sidewalks. They are not equipped what so ever to be first responders. I would have felt much safer if there were CHL holders in those high value domestic-terror targets.
I also went to a Texas state funded university.
michaelfromaustin 1 year ago
THIS IS A GUN FREE ZONE!
Criminals: All law abiding citizens have been disarmed for your convenience.
gameragodzilla 1 year ago 3
@gameragodzilla Couldn't have said it better myself!
gaallegos 1 year ago
Responsible CCW's aren't going to come running to the scene to rescue others. We are trained not to involve ourselves in others crimes. We are NOT looking for a fight.
Rik7366 1 year ago
Having a legally licenced gun and a permit to carry gives you options, without said weapon you are a victim waiting for a crime...
chowhound3 1 year ago
nobody in his right mind dares to brandish a gun to shoot a group of conceal-carry students.. and that is a fact.
denim98 1 year ago
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this is rodney whitson and i feel that it wouldn't be a good idea for guns to be on campus. i feel that if we were to allow guns on campus than we should let it be at bigger university because small university like university of akron is like a high school compared to the Ohio State. overall its not a good idea because we do not need people with angery problems shootin each other over a grade or trying to be mr. big shot because i got a gun.
rjwhitson06 2 years ago
Are you insane????
usmcgunner58 1 year ago
Curious that more guns "aren't the answer", but the cops all have them. What he means is we shouldn't have them.
Mikevdog 2 years ago 2
"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good." George Washington
I, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; so help me God.
kyowakokunobenkai 2 years ago 2
I thought he did a nice job. A college campus is one of the most dangerous places in the country when it comes to assault and rape. I get text updates from my state school constantly about muggings and sexual assaults that have happened on campus. Each time the police were not first responders and they've never prevented an assault or crime. They simply showed up after the fact. The criminals will be carrying regardless of what the law says, and we're disarming the law abiding people.
phillipislbj 2 years ago 5
Typical gvt agent preaching police are trained. The police have the monopoly on "protecing citizens", the right which belongs to the individual, not a gvt mandate. Gun crimes are more likely to happen in gun free zones.
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. Thomas Jefferson
kyowakokunobenkai 2 years ago 2
"The police have the monopoly on "protecing citizens"
Actually, that's wrong. The courts have constantly ruled that the police have no duty to protect you. Their only duty is to enforce the law. The only person with the duty to protect you is you, which is why "gun free zones" should be abolished.
TheStapleGunKid 2 years ago 2
The police don't "protect" people from a crime. The police INVESTIGATE after the crime. By the time the cops show up, you're already a victim.
flipdrew 1 year ago 3
Absolutely correct. They cannot appear out of nowhere instantly to save your life. It is YOUR responsibility to protect yourself and family from criminals.
GellyNose 1 year ago
This F.B.I guy can go pound salt when the VT shooting happened all the well armored and armed cops sat outside until all the action ended. the kids inside only had books hmm.
subysuby 2 years ago 3
Notice how Daly doesn't actually answer the question, he simply repeats the chatter of the gun control crowd. Also note that Daly is a former law enforcement officer, one of those people who would prefer that no one in the civilian population be armed.
Gulfporter 2 years ago
False. Im a cop and Ive been pushing for concealed carry in Illinois for years now
usmcgunner58 1 year ago
to anyone who wishes to deny students the right to carry concealed weapons on campus; the onus is on YOU to show that I shouldn't be able to carry.
migkillertwo 2 years ago
And yet another thing to add:
The majority of gun violence in the US is compromised of suicides. I wish people would stop using this statistic to pad their arguments when talking about gun violence. Roughly 8 of 100,000 gun deaths in the US are suicides, only about 2 or 3 per 100,000 are murders.
Swimming pools are also proven to be 10 times more likely to take someone's life than a firearm. Not making that one up.
metalfaust19 2 years ago
And another fun thing to add:
How often do you hear of shooting sprees occurring at police stations or gun shows? And how often do you hear of them occurring at schools, government buildings and other places that disallow civilian carry? Why do the states and cities with strong gun control laws also have the highest murder rates?
Fact of the matter is that murderers don't carry out their killing sprees in places where they know people will return fire in self-defense.
metalfaust19 2 years ago
I think anyone with a CCW license and a brain is already bringing their weapon to college campuses without saying anything. If it's concealed, nobody is going to know anyway.
Obeying campus rules like this are the catalysts that cause shooting sprees in the first. If you stop the next Cho on your campus because you disobeyed the no gun policy, I hardly doubt anyone is going to turn it around on you. The other outcome is dozens of people dead.
metalfaust19 2 years ago
Mike Guzman owned Bill Daly lol. What a great young man, making a good argument that no one should be able to deny but probably will unfortunately .........
spartan177saber 2 years ago
the FBI guys argument that its no good with students running out of dorms with guns.... well, the whole point of concealed carry is to return fire within seconds of an attack, not wait 4-5 or even 10 minutes for the first police unit to arrive. any concealed gun would be holstered and the incident would be over by the time any type of law enforcement or armed campus security arrives.
swidd2 2 years ago
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honzacaf 2 years ago
No one had a problem when I carried to protect our freedoms over seas but now that I am in school I cant even defend myself. Thank you politicians.
rmhoffman222 2 years ago 5
Makes a lot of sense huh?
fengineer08 2 years ago
If a criminal is on campus, he's going to conceal his weapon until he shots someone. That sign that says, "weapon free zone" does absolutely nothing to stop criminals. If you're going to commit a crime, the perfect place to do it is at a school full of unarmed students.
I think it's stupid that you can't defend yourself.
ThrallMogo 2 years ago 48
you are 100% absolutely correct. I just don't get why the stupid people don't realize that all gun control does is effectively take guns away from good, law-abiding citizens
crazybread1337 2 years ago
@ThrallMogo
Yeah that is logical and I agree 100%. My eight year old daughter can understand that reasoning but good luck swaying the mentally ill liberal
cptsquish 1 year ago
The police simply cannot be everywhere all the time.
HeadTater 2 years ago 3
no, they cant. I mean, just look at Virginia Tech. How long did that asian guy go around popping students until the police actually did a damned thing about it? He ended up killing 28 people and injuring another 16+. If that campus had students with concealed handguns, I guarantee he woulda been stopped alot sooner, thus saving many, many lives. On top of that, the Founding Fathers knew that ultimately you could only trust yourself for true protection. Virginia Tech is an obvious example of that
crazybread1337 2 years ago
Nobody seems to remember that the cops haven't yet shot a shooter. So really, what "protection" from them could you get? At every shooting they just wait outside until SWAT comes.
UntamedWalrus 2 years ago 20
I want to be able to carry nunchuks.I'm very good at them.I have rights.I can hit a tree from 25 feet.really
unixriver 2 years ago
I can See it now.Every time a book bag is dropped you have 20 18 year old kids in a defensive position pointiong a desert eagle at you with hollow tip 50 cals aimed right at your dome."sorry dude,my bad"
Imagine the asian students who are here for the first time.They will piss their pants.Image the letters they write home.Their parents will shit their pants."today I helped my room mate field strip his 1911""Much fun".
unixriver 2 years ago
That would be fucking awesome! You can put you mossberg 500 tactical in your locker.
tommysch 2 years ago 7
You have to be 21 to have a permit. Concealed carry is exactly what it sounds like. No one is supposed to know you're carrying until life and death situations occur. I bet you encounter more permit holders on a daily basis than you think. They take the responsibility very seriously.
Bad guys are already breaking the law when they decide to commit murder. That's like if I never got my drivers license but decided to run someone over. Who is going to argue if I was fit to have a license?
Deej1188 2 years ago 6
That would be illegal, as to get a CCL, you must be at least 21 years of age
crazybread1337 2 years ago
Just craziness.College is expensive.Here is an Idea.Place a cop in every dorm.larger presence on campass.Not my job to be a student,peace officer,teacher,fireman,etc.All we need is send our kids off to school where kids check their guns in at the student union.While we are at it do I need to hand out speeding tickets as well.Amazing
unixriver 2 years ago
Can't carry in a bank.Who is this guy?
unixriver 2 years ago
You can in Texas, which is where he lives.
Tennisguy707 2 years ago
Come on "Former FBI Investigator", how many scenes have you come across where the victims may have had a chance if they had a weapon. As a former federal law enforcement officer, I'm sure you carry a weapon to protect yourself and family from people you've put away. Well, there are kids everywhere you go. Maybe its not safe for an old timer like you who no longer qualifies yearly to be carrying. What gives you the right to belittle our right to life when you already have it.
Deej1188 2 years ago 2
the last incident was the unv of texas back in the 70's bro
unixriver 2 years ago
The problem with Bill Daly's logic here is that police response takes time. Seung Hui Cho killed 31 people, including himself, in the nine minutes it took for the police to get to him.
iceberg08eas 2 years ago 6
seung hui would have qualified for a concealed.
unixriver 2 years ago
I fail to see why you mentioned this. It's an irrelevant statement, really, unless you mention the fact that he DIDN'T go through the process to get a CCL and he STILL carried concealed weapons on campus and killed everyone he could. Also, that nobody else on campus had any significant means of defense.
iceberg08eas 2 years ago
it doesn't matter, because he premeditated his murders. There was no point for him to apply for a concealed carry because he was going to commit an even greater crime anyway. Also, your statement is obsolete, because that kid carried his guns into school inside a backpack, so he was carrying them concealed, just illegally. So thats another reason to allow concealed carry onto school campuses
crazybread1337 2 years ago
If Im sitting in class, and a student pulls out a gun I want to protect myself. I cant wait for the police to get to the scene. I may be killed. I am for Concealed Carry on Campus.
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IamFreeRu 2 years ago 41
@IamFreeRu and when swat come to the scene, what then? ou wil ALL get fucked up, everyone that has a gun
nela04 1 year ago
@nela04 Swat doesnt open fire on people unless they are shooting. Anways, by the time they do arrive the gunmen will be neutralized. Concealed Carry should be regulated for only a select few individuals.
IamFreeRu 1 year ago
@IamFreeRu "swat doesn't fire on people who arent shooting" are you fucking kidding me?
if you're presenting a threat to them or to others with a weapon you're going down and no one is going to ask anything...
Darusdei 1 year ago
@Darusdei If you are sitting in a university class with 40 other students and one of then stands up presenting a handgun, whilst claiming to take his life and many others. I am sure that in that moment a student with the proper certification and license could end the situation before it could escalate to a full blown school shooting massacre, such as Virginia Tech. In those few moments, the school shooter would be neutralized before police would even make it to the scene. Just think.
IamFreeRu 1 year ago
@IamFreeRu those who have done the school shootings have prepared for it, i dont think that some student with few hours at gun range is the answer, worst case he will make the situation even worse...
Darusdei 1 year ago
@Darusdei Well then what is a police officer? A older man that has also put in a few hours at the gun range. I guess if you were in that class with a school shooter you would rather wait for the police, and by that time you might be dead. The police would arrive only to clean up the mess and carry the bodies out. Look at Google images and you'll see what I mean. I am not willing to risk my life waiting for a old man with a gun when I have one in my backpack.
IamFreeRu 1 year ago
@IamFreeRu yeah and when you have with high propability injured to killed another innocent student, yeah you will be alive but you will be in jail...
Darusdei 1 year ago
@Darusdei Well then what is a police officer? A older man that has also put in a few hours at the gun range.I guess if you were in that class with a school shooter you would rather wait for the police, and by that time you might be dead. The police would arrive only to clean up the mess and carry the bodies out. Look at Google images and you'll see what I mean.I am not willing to risk my life waiting for a old man with a gun when I have one in my backpack. School shooters prey on the defenseless
IamFreeRu 1 year ago
nevermind guns, there are still many campuses that ban tazers and pepper spray, even though they are defensive weapons.
jimmyboy3664 2 years ago
Colleges don't ban all of these defensive items to protect students. The reason they do it is to avoid liability if there is an incident. They can simply say, "we did all we could--we banned (fill in the blank)". If they even allow brass knuckles and someone uses them, they could be sued for not prohibiting them--thus not "protecting" the college campus.
Mikevdog 1 year ago
then change the law to allow firearms for self defence and (God forbid) if there is an incident, the campus and students will be protected. The only way to stop a crazed gunman (or woman) is to shoot back. When seconds count, the police are only minutes away. Usually they are busy shooting radar and making money for their city by searching for code breakers and fullfilling their ticket quota so their city could have extra income via driving law taxes.
kyowakokunobenkai 1 year ago
heres the thing the one state were crime is very high is california the reason the crime rate is so high is because citzens cant defend themselves
lmsr13 2 years ago 7
violence will occur with or without guns. Violence is a basic human behavior. Weather i strangle you with a belt or stab you with a pen are you gonna ban those next lol. If you beat someone with a shoe are you gonna ban those? get real violence is a part of life get over it. wheather or not it is deadly depends on the home enviormant and the maturity level of the people involved. disipline and responsibility apon people at home will help control the violence in america
anthonyw713 2 years ago 7
In 1994 in Rwanda, the Hutus massacred 400,000 Tutsis with only machetes, pickaxes and knives. Even if you take away guns, people can still kill each other quite well. What do you think armies did before the middle ages to exterminate villages? Guns have not made humans any more or less violent, and disarmament will not solve the problem.
joe1212 2 years ago 4
allowed or not, there has been far to many school shootings of recent, as a CHL (concealed handgun licence) holder i take great care to keep my Glock 30 concealed, b/c no one needs to know and as long as they dont know, there is no problem. But ill be damned if im going to let somone come in and gun down me or my class mates while we wait for the police to talk the guy out of it.
evilEKegg 2 years ago 7
Nice job I agree.
rlscs63 2 years ago
well said, i agree 100%. at the end of the day guns dont kill people, people kill people and they always will, but its always the good people that are being killed. if students were able to carry on campus less students would be dead as a result of the recent school shootings becouse he would have been taken out sooner..
jrcash1234 2 years ago 4
Its CSI Crime Scene Investigation. Not CSP, Crime Scene Prevention.
whodank 2 years ago
Wow. So his reasoning for why guns shouldn't be allowed is that mommy and daddy aren't there? Really thought out there bonedaddy.
hellsacomin7 2 years ago 3
Colorado State University allows for Concealed Carry that many students didn't know existed. Its been there and no one knew, which means no one was being stupid and those that were carrying have been responsible with keeping it concealed.
I like this Mike Guzman though. Very well spoken. With all due respect Mr. FBI, you don't know what you're talking about.
AikidoSaintTKE 2 years ago 4
average gunfight lasts 2.7 seconds, average police response time to a shooting... +4 MINUTES!
catdoc541 2 years ago
i can only see one problem with this, i personaly would love to see this happen cause i carry my XD everywhere, but im very careful to keep my gun "Concealed" at all times, however im not sure how some students would act if they see another student's shirt rise up and see and gun tucked in. They personaly would know if it was a shooter, or a concealed carrier. That would be the only argument i could see that would make sense.
tstillw1 2 years ago
I agree with you that some students might freak out. They certainly would freak out now, because few universities allow concealed carry.
But I think once it was common knowledge that CCW is allowed on campus, people might be more used to it (though I agree they should always be concealed).
Anyway, the people who did shoot students usually weren't discreet at all and didn't try to conceal.
Egladhon 2 years ago
I have a friend that told me a story about how he was escorting a prisoner cuffs and orange jump suit on, on a plane. When some lady saw he had a gun inside his suit. She freaked out called the flight attendent, he had to show proof of why he had a gun and all and all a big ordeal out of nothing. Thought it was a funnny story, however your right. I would also be carefull but it takes one person to freak out. However a plane is diffrent no one can have one on there normaly.
rlscs63 2 years ago
the cops are always too late.
thablackmarkit 2 years ago
When SECONDS count.....the police are just minutes away.
tstillw1 2 years ago
That's so true!
catdoc541 2 years ago
And why stop on college campuses, if the goal is for people to be able to stop crimes themselves? Why not just make it so that anyone with a permit can carry a concealed gun anywhere at any time? Wouldn't we all just be sooooo safe if we all had concealed guns on us at all times?
JRserver 2 years ago
"And why stop on college campuses, if the goal is for people to be able to stop crimes themselves?"
Its not about stopping crimes, its about self-defense.
jimitl5 2 years ago
So....defending oneself with a firearm while a crime is being committed with a firearm....that's....not stopping a crime?
JRserver 2 years ago
yea your right JRserver i do have a carry all the time i dont really go to gun free zones . and i do feel safe with my glock19 at my side and i have been carrying for 5yrs with no problem
solrac5556 2 years ago
Gun - Free Zones are an invitation for criminals to use people as a shooting gallery. They simply see it as a place they can go and shoot people up and no one will shoot back.
jimitl5 2 years ago
So everybody had a gun during the massacre at Virginia Tech, are they all going to ask the first person they see carrying a gun, "Excuse, are you the crazy guy who brought a gun on campus today?", or are they going to panic and shoot without knowing who they're shooting at?
JRserver 2 years ago
Its a question of self defense. I would prefer to be able to defend myself in a bad situation then have to just sit their and plead for my life knowing that it would probably do no good. If I can defend myself I have a chance.
jimitl5 2 years ago
absolutely agree.
TheJester380 2 years ago
hey asshole it the guy usuall shotting everyone and the one people are running away from just thought u should know , and i dont shoot till i have a clear visual of my target in self defense u fuck
solrac5556 2 years ago
Knowing where your target is is not the same thing as knowing that you are indeed hitting the shooter and not some other frightened person carrying their licensed gun.
And by the way, you might wanna work on your spelling and grammer. I had to read your message several times before I could fully understand your incoherent dribble. Then again, your mangling of the English language may very well have proven my point for me.
JRserver 2 years ago
It's pretty easy to see if some one raises a gun to you with intent to harm you. In the shootings that have happened in schools, the shooter was just going at it. Pretty easy to see a guy firing at anything that moves is a threat.
catdoc541 2 years ago
I'm talking about if you see someone from a distance who doesn't see you with their licensed gun. How can you possibly tell if their shooter or just an innocent bystander (and how can they tell the same about you if they see you?)
JRserver 2 years ago
That a way to smack him around Mike!!!
ggdmhp23 2 years ago
Here in Michigan theres very few places you can carry a concealed weapon. Which sucks. But I'm all for a Concealed Campus.
razer440 2 years ago
I am a chl holder and a college student at Sam Houston State Univ. in huntsville texas, and I am for carring. the majority of people living on campus at SHSU are freshman/sophmore, and are not of age to obtain a CHL any way. with that said i belive that if you have a CHL and live off campus like myself, you should be able to carry. Keeping guns out of dorm rooms, allowing CHL holders to carry would create a win win situation.
fishhook128 2 years ago
The former FBI investigator (Daly) is really missing the point.
1. The police arrive in ANY case only after a crime has been committed. 13 of the victims at Virginia Tech died AFTER the arrival of the police.
2. The courts have already ruled that law enforcement has no obligation under the law to protect anyone.
3. How absurd it is that citizen of a free country should be required to ask "permission" to defend one's own life.
asia331 2 years ago 13
Amen.
ManiacMarauder01 2 years ago
Man thats BS. What kind of MORONS do we have running this country. If the rest of us know that if students are allowed to carry a concealed handgun, why doesnt Washington? Its not that hard to figure out. I agree with you 100%. In fact I believe students should be allowed to carry in a classroom. If a gunman knows that students are unarme a classroom, thats one less thing for him to worry about. We dont want that, Right?
razer440 2 years ago
I think its good to let people who have licenses to carry their weapons to all the ordinary places they go. I know I'd feel safer with a gun on me.
jado818 2 years ago 8
The FBI guy is a nazzi!!!!!!
labcoat31 2 years ago 8
...a nazi that just got ripped a new one lol
ninjatarian58 2 years ago 3
before every dictator took office they banned weapons, hitler, stalin, pol pot etc. The police and government make the presumption that the American people are idiots and can't act for themselves and we need to be protected from ourselves. Thats not the kind of legislation our country needs or was formed on
whatitischief 2 years ago 5
I feel a good middle ground would be to have certain students act as a kind of "part-time police officer". Just certain students, who would have to meet the same qualifications as a normal officer of the law would, be given a simple uniform so they may be identifiable by other officers and given the right to carry as they attend classes as a normal student. Maybe even get paid as a campus security officer would. It would be like cops in class.
GonzalesRefLeX 3 years ago
this is not practical, this argument is about the right to bear arms and the right any civilian has to protection, the FBI say the enviroment is not suitable however is a campus any different to any town?
milesoverton 2 years ago
GonzalesRefLeX,
Its a statistical fact that if a man breaks into a house he shoot the man first, if he robs a jewelry store he shoot the man first, so if he wants to shoot up a school he will shoot the guy in the uniform first. Pint is he takes out the biggest threat first. Kinda defeats the whole point of the concealed weapon theory where its better the shooter does not know who has the gun.
ClassicFIHD 2 years ago
Oh, nice.
Give the students who carry concealed uniforms that they must wear at all times on campus.
Makes them easier to point out and plink off.
The point of concealed carry is that no one else knows you are packing a mohaska, which can give the carrier a tactical advantage; the attacker may not know and may not expect that one of his victims is packing.
Make people who carry a gun wear one type of clothing that identifies them as carrying defeats the purpose of concealed carry.
Watcher3223 2 years ago
Why would you point out the same thing someone already did?
Plus, once i realized what would be wrong with what i said it was too late, i had already hit the "post comment" button.
Yeah, uniforms are bad, but at the time I was thinking about the point the FBI guy brought up and was trying to make a solution for it. Because some rookie officer might shoot the wrong guy if three people have out a gun.
Of course we could all just start wearing Bullet Proof Vests to school.
GonzalesRefLeX 2 years ago
Well, I didn't know someone else replied to you with the same answer.
Sorry.
Watcher3223 2 years ago
The other thing to consider is that gunfights only tend to last for seconds; more than likely if an armed student was carrying and engaged in a fight with a deranged shooter, either one or possibly both would be killed at their own hands before the authorities could even arrive.
Gun battles in civil settings involving people in contest with each other that last more than 30 seconds are only in the movies.
Watcher3223 2 years ago
Listen, the cops wouldn't have a problem finding the offender, because the offender would be pointing his gun at the police officers, it takes just a little common sense for people to realize that the cops wouldn't have a problem recognizing the perpetrator. Not to mention that if the cops come into an area, set down your gun and inform them that your a concealed carry permit holder, then wait for further instructions on what to do, piece of cake.
XSV15 2 years ago 4
man this is crazy.. sorry to be so harsh but.. WHY HAVE GUNS IN THE FIRST PLACE.. i love america when i went there but their gun laws are just moronic.. the only reason why they allow guns is not for defense but so that all the wrong people make proffit from the guns.. no legal guns = fewer maniacs getting hold of them.. please this whole thing is so dumb
favsncrap 3 years ago
i do agree in why have guns in the first place!
however sadly they do exist and are produced in the millions every year! we cant just un-invent them
as long as they are available on the black market, i want one on me.
BECAUSE LEGISLATION DOES NOT CONTROL THE CRIMINAL MIND OR CRIMINAL MOTIVATION AND THE POLICE CANT BE EVERY WHERE AT ONCE.
Michael Guzman does a great job here.
milesoverton 2 years ago
finaly an intellegent answer.. like i say i understand this entirely.. its just the usa's take on the law that baffles me in the most respect i find this law / ammendment so stupid.. its clear to me that if guns were illegal more lives would be saved (thats not to say you wont get killed by a gun) but its less likely
favsncrap 2 years ago
no the point i was making was that because guns cant just dissapear, making them illegal is pointless because then you just become a victim. criminals will still be criminals and carry!
milesoverton 2 years ago
The 2nd Amendment is because people have a right to effective self defense against tyranny in all forms, foreign and domestic.
If doing so is absolutely necessary and just, you have a right and a responsibility to defend yourself with violence to survive.
Remember, the 2nd doesn't grant a right, but recognizes it as pre-existing and non-revocable by any authority.
Ultimately, YOU are responsible for your own safety.
Nobody else, not even the police, are obliged to care for and protect you.
Watcher3223 2 years ago
And making guns illegal does not make them go away.
On the contrary, all they do is criminalize those who wouldn't use a gun against others in malice to begin with while it would be business as usual to criminals who choose to remain armed, including those who buy their guns from illegal channels and wouldn't risk themselves to police and government scrutiny by buying a gun from a federally licensed firearms dealer.
Watcher3223 2 years ago
guns dont kill people do thats 101 go move to canada if u dont like it. they have requirements not everyone can get a ccp and thats why its a good idea.....duh
dankutcher2 2 years ago
I think concealed carry on all campuses would be a great idea, if VT would have allow legal CCW holders to carry there weapons, the problem with that wacko would have been resolved way before the law enforcement even got the call. Go concealed carry, right on
freedomfromevil 3 years ago
If students would have been able to carry at VT it would definitely not be as bad
jonathanrootcom 3 years ago
Saying we shouldn't have concealed weapons because there are police is like saying we shouldn't teach cpr to the general public because there are paramedics. its just stupid.
scasafrass 3 years ago 10
damn dude very good analogy...i might just steal it : )
beexsama 3 years ago
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Well there's a fine line between those who are slaughtered and those doing the slaughtering. Letting people carry concealed weapons anywhere is just ridiculous, I don't want to be murdered because some hick thinks he can do what he wants with his gun. You can keep your guns, just keep them away from the public.
pmmjkl 3 years ago
Cities with no allowed concealed or open carry have tremendous amounts of gun crimes, whereas areas that allow concealed or open carry of firearms have considerably LESS gun crime. Why? Because you're less likely to try to hold up, mug, assault, or murder someone when they could be armed. A disarmed populace cannot defend itself.
wvdmc 3 years ago 6
AMEN ..... :)
muerto187sg 3 years ago