For god sake guys, you can't compare travis barker to buddy rich. They are two completley different drummers. And why travis barker anyway?? hes not even at the highest standard. If you guys think Travis barker is good, you should really check out these guys........
I've been playing and listening to music for over half a century. I don't presume to know who the best drummer of all time is; all I know is these guys can bang 'em. Great stuff. Listen & enjoy!
It's kind of one of those things that is pounded in all drummer's heads at birth .. that Lars and Buddy Rich are the greatest drummers of all time. Obviously Lars, not at all..he's a great tennis player. Buddy, definitely is one of a kind. But, at some point, you gotta get out of the past - Tony Williams...even in the 70's was better than Buddy Rich - he pretty much started Fusion. Vinnie Colaiuta - Best studio drummer around. Mike Mangini - from another planet. It's all opinion though.
It's never a fair fight against Buddy, but I was surprised at how well Shaughnessey held his own. The nature of the Tonight Show band hardly ever gave him the chance to jam like here; I wish Johnny had given him the chance to shine more often.
I'm humbled every time I watch this. All us drummers have been in recovery since he went off the scene! I have some tribute clips to him on here myself but I'll be the first to admit there will never be another Buddy Rich. Never.
I don't care how good you are as a drummer, if you're around during Buddy Rich's time you don't get into a drum battle with him unless you're just doing it for fun. Buddy's gonna, "Win," every time. No one could match him. I remember my jaw hitting the ground when I saw Buddy live in '82. It was UN-Real. (But Ed Shaughnessy was pretty darned good, I'll give him that. And the two of them seemed to respect and maybe even like each other.)
@TheArfdog The beat is certainly there, and easily heard. You just have to listen for it. The bass sets the beat and the rest just follows it, albeit at a very rapid pace. Buddy Rich was the all time best. There wasn't even a close second.
@randylikesdrums I respectfully disagree. Buddy set a standard that no one can reach, and shouldn't try. Today's drummers, while many of thme are excellent, cannot hold a candle to Buddy.
@randylikesdrums "all time best at that time, yeah. There are many better now. But i'm sure many have learned from him."
Unlike Rock guitar, that has progressed immeasurably from the 60's and 70's, the evolution of Jazz drumming (or drumming PERIOD) seems to have stopped after Buddy Rich - definitely from a hand speed standpoint. I've conducted many searches on YouTube for current and past Jazz and Rock drummers, and they all seem boring and slow compared to BR...
I forgot to add; they all seem boring and slow compared to BR - unless it's Ed Shaughnessy or a Jazz drummer at that level, which there aren't too many of even today...
Ed is great, simply one of best of all time. To be one-tenth as great as Ed would make anyone - one of the best drummers in the world today.
Ask Ed who was the greatest of all time, Ed would just smile and say... "Buddy is... Buddy". Ed loved to hear Buddy play and no-one cheered harder for Buddy than Ed, when Buddy was on the the Tonight Show. There was "a lot of love and respect between those two men". When either of them played, it was music lovers that were the "winners". - RDBruns
back in the day when i WAS a drummer,i played Buddy's albums day and night..and had a set up in a rehearsal space where i could play along ( up until the solos anyway..LOL)... years later i had the GREAT fortune of seeing him several times, and even got a drumstick from him( it's what drummers did back then..lol).I shook his hand when thanking him and it felt like my hand was put into a vice grip..LOL. Buddy... was the ONLY one who could make a set of drums BREATH.The legendary BEST EVER.
@braino2000 Watch "Buddy Rich on why he doesn't use match grip" He fucks up and screams "Shit!" In the middle of playing. It's actually pretty funny to watch.
Scorpion it is actually amazing to me that you can call the best drummer to ever sit down behind a drumset(Buddy Rich) a retard and say that he has sloppy singles.... Ive never heard anything that stupid in my entire life...
LOL. Anyone can play a simple and steady groove, kid. Even you could. Hell, even Travis Barker and Joey Jordison! When you encounter a newbie kid in a music store the chances are that hes trying to lay down a groove. This is operating on another level. This is some superhuman rudimental fast-thinking brilliant playing thought and performed on the spot. A completely different level.
it is hardeer to play a simple groove with soul then it is to play these fast sloppy singles, there is a major difference between a simple rock beat played by the kid at guitar center you mentioned and somebody like steve gadd, it is musch easier to disguise talent when you play fast and sloppy like this
Yes, of course it is. Especially those "sloppy -cough cough- singles". I'd love to see you playing that "sloppyness" like that - since it is so much simplier and basic when related to a simple, single mundane groove. Don't you wanna prove your point by posting a video of yourself doing it? Imagine how many doubtful mouths and minds you would shut (mine included...). That would be awesome (and historic).
I'll be paciently waiting for this simple video of you playing those "sloppy" single strokes like THAT to finally be able to prove your (no doubt) "controversial" point! :)
rofl sloppy.. i guarentee you it is a lot easier to play a simple groove than it is to play 20 beats a second. it takes just as much creativity to play the drums like these guys do as it does to play something soulful. besides, i think you are the only one out of 37244 viewers that thinks this is sloppy. youre just jealous. not everybody has the kind of talent to play the drums like these guys do.
I challenge you to perform that very short Buddy Rich armcrossings alone without sounding utterly sloppy and troubled! Maybe you'll get it. Some day in time...maybe, there will be some hope...maybe...perhaps...who knows the future after all? :o)
the only reason it may seem sloppy is because they arent being repetitive, thus you arent expecting what they are going to do next because they are completely improvising what theyre doing. its a drum battle. its just like any other battle. i guess you never heard of battling though. they arent necessarily playing songs, just competing their skill against each other.
awesome. Two old guys having a drum battle. Just kidding. Respect. I wish I could play that well. Maybe when Im 70 like those guys. HAHA. Nah. Awesome solo
People should've pissed Buddy off more often so then he could show us what he could REALLY do more often. Some of the stuff he does here is simply breathtaking and hard to believe. :)
you DONT tug on supermans cape you dont spit in TO the wind you DONT pull the mask off the old lone ranger AND YOU DONT GET INTO DRUM BATTLES WITH BUDDY RICH EVER!
Joey Jordison?? Dude- what the hell are you talking about?? This is jazz music not rock. Jazz is way harder than rock music--ask any drummer who plays. Hell, ask Joey and he'll pronbably tell you that Ed and Buddy would blow him away
ok...umm....not even a competition.joey jordison is a messy drum basher...not even comparable to buddy rich...maybe you should learn about drumming before you make ridiculous accusasions like that...any jazz drummer could blow all most ALL rock drummers...only carl palmer and maybe jeff pocaro or teri bozzio would be close to competition
Probably EVERYONE in this would have their head chopped off their body with Buddy being so ridiculously and mercylessly competitive like at that night.
That was blindingly awesome. Anybody comparing rock drummers to pros like this are nuts. These guys could repeat these solos a hundred times exactly the same way. They were paid for more than just improvising.
Ed Shaughnessy has class. From what I can see, he was matching Buddy round for round...pulled away, the crowd cheered and Buddy went into over drive and took to his left hand...my eyes just watered watching these great drummers!
Jojo would throw his sticks away, shocked with Buddy's awesomely clean, hyper fast and greatly interesting rudimental combinations. Jojo is awesome, be he doesn't shock me like Buddy for minutes in a row, non-stop. He has his moments (a couple of pretty cool things which are no longer than a couple seconds).
Thanks man! I'm back from some days off and I thank you for the kind words. Throw anyone there in that situation and they'd get grinded to death. Tony Royster, Colaiuta, Virgil Donati (yes, even Donati!!!), Steve Smith, Morello, Jojo Mayer, Rabb, anyone. Buddy was a rudimental beast. A creative overkill, always ready to eat anyone alive any day, any time. The accents alone presented here are just mind blowing.
I love practising my rudiments but my head just explodes desesperately trying to figure out his unique drum brilliance. What makes everything this man played sooo damn good. A marvel.
Could you imagine where that drum battle would stop with two more in takes in advance? I mean, Buddy's 3rd one was, easily one of the most impressive things I've ever seen and heard in my WHOLE life. It doesn't look human at all! Imagine how could that drum battle end like with it being a little longer? Would that drum kit have resisted such insanity? I can't imagine what Buddy would have performed right after. I just can't imagine that.
Me, neither. Buddy was on fire that night. And he only seemed to get faster, and more insanely complex and musical (speed can be musical, after all) as the battle raged on.
By the way, cadaverr, I counted one of Flo Mournier's solos -- his max seemed to be seven notes per hand per second, and he rarely hit even that. He cruised at 6.6 in that solo, as far as I could tell. I also counted the "Roddy, Part 1" solo that's available on Drummerworld. His max was 9 notes per hand per second. Not bad, but not Buddy.
Isn't Joey Jordison the guy from Slipknot? I can't remember but if he is...no...please don't mention his name alongside Buddy Rich, Gene Krupa, Keith Moon, John Bonham, Ginger Baker, or any of the others. I've seen the drummer from Slipknot and I've seen it all before. Nothing new. Fast double bass, etc. There's a difference between having a gift that separates you from everybody else and just being really good at technicality.
I didn't know Ed S. was that good. It was cool that he could hold his own. Buddy Rich's speed was inhuman. " And still World Champion Buddy Rich." Two great drummers.
Joey Jordison would need to be stripped down to a basic kit...he would easily be the first to give up I guarantee you...he's nowhere near being the best rock or jazz drummer...Peart has proven he can hold his own on a basic kit...to everyone except rich or shaughnessy. Chris Adler...sorry, no way. The three others besides Buddy and Ed would not even make it halfway through.
no no no no. They would all have their own unique sets, as giving them all the same one (like one of those basic pieces of shit) would make it unfair (not to mention much less entertaining). And of course joeys nowhere near the best rock or jazz drummer, because he ISN'T a rock or jazz drummer! hes a metal drummer! (and is one of the best of the sort if not THE best)
replace joey jordison with john bonham and then it would be even cooler because joey SUCKS! well he doesnt suck but he sure as hell isnt up there with buddy rich or neil peart.
why does that even matter? hes one of todays best drummers, so why take him out? altho adding in john would make it better. id also add in the drummer from dragonforce aswell.
Why the fuck is the maggot drummer even mention here?He's a shit drummer for fucks sake and anybody who even compares him next to someone like buddy clearly has the IQ of a fucking goldfish.
Ed Shaughnessy may not be as good as Buddy but he's a hell of a lot better than everybody else living today. My god these two guys in this video are FUCKING PHENOMENAL HATS OFF TO BOTH OF THEM.
Yeah. Buddy definitely was ALWAYS holding back against friends (especially against Krupa). This is a well-known fact actually.
If Buddy started his ultra fast single stroke rolls through the kit, Ed would be KILLED "on demand". At least here he can have some space to breath (and develop a (or "some") nice drum solo). Hehe.
there is a solo where krupa does his thing...ehh...and then buddy starts with this blinding hand-to-hand cresendo and just put krupa to shame within about 10 secs...so he didn't always hold back....he couldn't
far out!!! HAHAHAHA it's too bad we won't be seeing drum battles between guys at this level in the future...these are two of the great greats of drummers. I agree that Buddy is holding back here though. Ed can match Buddy to a point.
Yeah. Buddy definitely was ALWAYS holding back against friends (especially against Krupa). This is a well-known fact actually.
If Buddy started his ultra fast single stroke rolls through the kit, Ed would be KILLED "on demand". At least here he can have some space to breath (and develop a (or "some") nice drum solo). Hehe.
There are so many great drummers out there who once were and now are. But NO ONE and I repeat NO ONE has been able to clear the bar that Buddy set. Buddy had it all...speed, tone, you name it the man had it! This was the gift he had. Some of the things Keith Moon could do blow my mind but I rethought everything once I saw film footage of Buddy. One of those people who can move you to friggin tears with their intense talent!
who cares about speed as long as the groove is in time complex and interesting, art verdi or whatever his name is, is more into racing drums than playing them Im nit a big buddy fan but at least he had more artism wiht his speed!
The day that Virgil Donati has the same hand and arms habilities of Buddy Rich, I'll certainly drop dead (that's still to happen... - an I've seen more than 10 different virgil donati videos right here, on youtube).
Buddy could play whatever he wanted, and totally effortless. Those arm crossing speeds are sick just for themselves.
Buddy was far cleaner and he was even playing around by passing his left hand over and under his right arm. Just having fun... Whereas Shaughnessy was all business and was trying real hard just to keep up. A great performance and effort by both, but Buddy makes it seem effortless....
There are some videos claiming that Art Verdi is the fastest drummer in the world. That MIGHT be true, but he lacks the versatility that Buddy Rich has.
True boomer, but these two could both do amazing solos and keep rhythm with a band. These two are some of the greatest with Buddy Rich being the greatest of all time by far. The greatest living drummer is Neal Peart.
gee, i guess vinnie colaiuta, terry bozzio, bill bruford, chester thompson, steve gadd, and about a couple of hundred other drummers far, far better and more interesting than peart can hang up their sticks now. you poltroon.
funny story i read in an Ed S. interview... ed asked buddy to promise not to do the over under thing buddy made ed promise to not do the indian takita thing... buddy got in the moment and forgot but ed kept his promise... o well... funny to think buddy actually felt intimidated by someone elses thing eh?...
Ed actually falls out of rhythm a number of times here. He gets a bit sloppy on the mounted toms and the floor rolls. He's struggling. And he's nowhere near as fast as Buddy is here, imo.
Yes, he falls out of rhythm several times. He is an amazing drummer, but he does not keep up with Buddy here. I disagree about Chambers -- he doesn't have Buddy's ability to spontaneously create such extreme phrasing; neither does he have Buddy's stamina, imo.
Ed almost keeps up! But you can tell Buddy's holding back, and Ed looks like he's gonna pass out. But still to even sit next to Buddy and look that good is amazing!
For god sake guys, you can't compare travis barker to buddy rich. They are two completley different drummers. And why travis barker anyway?? hes not even at the highest standard. If you guys think Travis barker is good, you should really check out these guys........
1) TONY ROJESTER JR
2) JOJO MAYER
3) THOMAS PRIDGEN
doublebassmaster 1 week ago
Matt Cameron could be up there as well
JagoFettNZ 3 weeks ago
I just had a quick fantasy about JOHN BONHAM being up there as well having a three way ' Battle ' ,now i have to go change my pants.
JagoFettNZ 3 weeks ago
Animal WA WA WA!
minorcrcr 1 month ago
I've been playing and listening to music for over half a century. I don't presume to know who the best drummer of all time is; all I know is these guys can bang 'em. Great stuff. Listen & enjoy!
BobG127 4 months ago 2
@BobG127 Fk Yeaaahhh !!! , couple more years and they'll be almost as good as me :) heh heh heh
JagoFettNZ 3 weeks ago
The only two drummers I can even think come in this class is Neal Peart and Mike Portnoy! For today's drummers that is!
jimmymac63 5 months ago
i can't help but laugh in joy!
Paulorwpj 5 months ago
not bad for old guys but both would get killled today by travis barker or even lars ulrick
4against1 6 months ago
@4against1 slow this video to half speed and you have a travis barker vs. lars ulrich drum battle.
vampirebunnyrat 6 months ago 37
@vampirebunnyrat probably even slower than half speed for those two :)
samstens 5 months ago
@4against1 You're...............retarded.......
lumpheadthump 6 months ago
@4against1 hahaha fool!
ploaker54 5 months ago
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@4against1 the hell are you thinking?
samHAMMER92 5 months ago
@4against1 I feel legitimately sorry for you.
platinum924 5 months ago
It's kind of one of those things that is pounded in all drummer's heads at birth .. that Lars and Buddy Rich are the greatest drummers of all time. Obviously Lars, not at all..he's a great tennis player. Buddy, definitely is one of a kind. But, at some point, you gotta get out of the past - Tony Williams...even in the 70's was better than Buddy Rich - he pretty much started Fusion. Vinnie Colaiuta - Best studio drummer around. Mike Mangini - from another planet. It's all opinion though.
randylikesdrums 6 months ago 3
Honestly, in this clip, Ed totally played better. buddy just moved around more. Still, I think Buddy is amazing though!
randylikesdrums 6 months ago
It's never a fair fight against Buddy, but I was surprised at how well Shaughnessey held his own. The nature of the Tonight Show band hardly ever gave him the chance to jam like here; I wish Johnny had given him the chance to shine more often.
tucsonia 6 months ago
holy god! How the fuck?
drlind525 6 months ago
I'm humbled every time I watch this. All us drummers have been in recovery since he went off the scene! I have some tribute clips to him on here myself but I'll be the first to admit there will never be another Buddy Rich. Never.
Drumminman4U 7 months ago
WWWHHHAAAATTTTT TTTHHHEEEE FFFUUUCCCCKKKK!!!!! O.O
ritadotramone 7 months ago
I don't care how good you are as a drummer, if you're around during Buddy Rich's time you don't get into a drum battle with him unless you're just doing it for fun. Buddy's gonna, "Win," every time. No one could match him. I remember my jaw hitting the ground when I saw Buddy live in '82. It was UN-Real. (But Ed Shaughnessy was pretty darned good, I'll give him that. And the two of them seemed to respect and maybe even like each other.)
VistaRecordsBoard 7 months ago
@TheArfdog it's called a drum solo
panhead58ful 7 months ago
It just sounds like a pair of machine guns...
TheArfdog 7 months ago
I mean it's just fast drumming... there's no real beat to it. Who watches this and feels anything from it? Besides being impressed about the speed?
TheArfdog 7 months ago
@TheArfdog The beat is certainly there, and easily heard. You just have to listen for it. The bass sets the beat and the rest just follows it, albeit at a very rapid pace. Buddy Rich was the all time best. There wasn't even a close second.
sssmre 6 months ago
@sssmre all time best at that time, yeah. There are many better now. But i'm sure many have learned from him.
randylikesdrums 6 months ago
@randylikesdrums I respectfully disagree. Buddy set a standard that no one can reach, and shouldn't try. Today's drummers, while many of thme are excellent, cannot hold a candle to Buddy.
sssmre 6 months ago
@randylikesdrums "all time best at that time, yeah. There are many better now. But i'm sure many have learned from him."
Unlike Rock guitar, that has progressed immeasurably from the 60's and 70's, the evolution of Jazz drumming (or drumming PERIOD) seems to have stopped after Buddy Rich - definitely from a hand speed standpoint. I've conducted many searches on YouTube for current and past Jazz and Rock drummers, and they all seem boring and slow compared to BR...
TheTranslator100 4 months ago
@TheTranslator100 I understand how you feel. Everybody has their own preference and opinion.
randylikesdrums 4 months ago
@randylikesdrums
I forgot to add; they all seem boring and slow compared to BR - unless it's Ed Shaughnessy or a Jazz drummer at that level, which there aren't too many of even today...
TheTranslator100 4 months ago
WOW, two great drummers! :D
LZProjects 8 months ago
Buddy wins every battle. Ed is amazing as well. INFRECKINCREDIBLE.
snarlingrabiddog5150 8 months ago
Ed is great, simply one of best of all time. To be one-tenth as great as Ed would make anyone - one of the best drummers in the world today.
Ask Ed who was the greatest of all time, Ed would just smile and say... "Buddy is... Buddy". Ed loved to hear Buddy play and no-one cheered harder for Buddy than Ed, when Buddy was on the the Tonight Show. There was "a lot of love and respect between those two men". When either of them played, it was music lovers that were the "winners". - RDBruns
aaaazaxac 8 months ago
Buddy wins but shaughnessy holds his ground well
Zachdudeio2 8 months ago
Buddy wins!
JonteArkPro 8 months ago
i respect him but just because he influenced travis....
barkerISgod21343 8 months ago
yes Buddy Richs GOAT title was not at risk, but still two masters on drums, a great video thank you for sharing this!
drumaddikt 9 months ago
Ed Shaughnessy=Copy Cat
KReMiFaSoLaTeDo 9 months ago
@KReMiFaSoLaTeDo KReMiFaSoLaTeDo= fails at life
arcainjust 9 months ago
Even Ed Shaughnessy sounds sloppy next to Buddy Rich,I mean come on he's the master of the single stroke.It's like a friggin kung fu master!
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these guys are ok but travis barker is the shit
vic100192 10 months ago 24
@vic100192 u mean is shit
puff1366613 10 months ago
@vic100192 In your opinion. From a technical sense, these guys are factually in another league.
XxStrongDrums1996xX 8 months ago
@vic100192 Please do not post when you're on something.
Xenophanes18 4 months ago 4
@vic100192 go home he has nothing on these guys lol
These4Chords 2 months ago
poor ed, he had no chance
soulstice99 1 year ago
The two people that thumbed down this video attempted to beat Buddy Rich
giggitygoo42 1 year ago
@giggitygoo42 No, those two people didn't like the video.
XxStrongDrums1996xX 8 months ago
@XxStrongDrums1996xX because they lost to Buddy Rich
giggitygoo42 8 months ago
best crossover
woodtubeuser 1 year ago
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh no puede seeeer posiblee pero impossible is nathing!
axeliaki 1 year ago
Epic!
ThatGuyFromTurkey 1 year ago
Amen, no need to write another comment.
aramosvizcarra 1 year ago
ed still holds his own... hardly
byronthe4th1 1 year ago
Buddy Rich is my new hero
81tomz 1 year ago
1:09 - Could that be ez rolla, one of many dnb/jungle breaks?
gusczs 1 year ago
back in the day when i WAS a drummer,i played Buddy's albums day and night..and had a set up in a rehearsal space where i could play along ( up until the solos anyway..LOL)... years later i had the GREAT fortune of seeing him several times, and even got a drumstick from him( it's what drummers did back then..lol).I shook his hand when thanking him and it felt like my hand was put into a vice grip..LOL. Buddy... was the ONLY one who could make a set of drums BREATH.The legendary BEST EVER.
asurrealenigma 1 year ago
Buddy rich is like the Chuck Norris of drums.
KurdtKobain09 1 year ago
Over under cross over.
bronco3250 1 year ago
my god!
& why on earth would you cut it out right when peaks??
Flasdingleray 1 year ago
A tip of the hat to Shaugnessy here for going up against Buddy. That has to be so hard.
ZacksPlace2010 1 year ago
HOLY FUCK
fenderjb2112 1 year ago
New drummer enqiring:The Rev,Joey Jordison,Mike Portnoy
SitocawithSorento 1 year ago
@SitocawithSorento The Rev? Are you talking about the guy from Avenged Sevenfold?
MattHatter 9 months ago
@MattHatter yeah
SitocawithSorento 9 months ago
Shhiiiiiittt... I dont think I've ever seen Buddy make a mistake. It's like he was put on earth to drum!
braino2000 3 years ago 4
@braino2000 Watch "Buddy Rich on why he doesn't use match grip" He fucks up and screams "Shit!" In the middle of playing. It's actually pretty funny to watch.
Skankmaster90 1 year ago
Scorpion it is actually amazing to me that you can call the best drummer to ever sit down behind a drumset(Buddy Rich) a retard and say that he has sloppy singles.... Ive never heard anything that stupid in my entire life...
LDrums1983 3 years ago
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both retards sound like shit, where is the fucking groove???assholes
scopions84 3 years ago
LOL. Anyone can play a simple and steady groove, kid. Even you could. Hell, even Travis Barker and Joey Jordison! When you encounter a newbie kid in a music store the chances are that hes trying to lay down a groove. This is operating on another level. This is some superhuman rudimental fast-thinking brilliant playing thought and performed on the spot. A completely different level.
cadaverr 3 years ago 2
it is hardeer to play a simple groove with soul then it is to play these fast sloppy singles, there is a major difference between a simple rock beat played by the kid at guitar center you mentioned and somebody like steve gadd, it is musch easier to disguise talent when you play fast and sloppy like this
scopions84 3 years ago
Yes, of course it is. Especially those "sloppy -cough cough- singles". I'd love to see you playing that "sloppyness" like that - since it is so much simplier and basic when related to a simple, single mundane groove. Don't you wanna prove your point by posting a video of yourself doing it? Imagine how many doubtful mouths and minds you would shut (mine included...). That would be awesome (and historic).
cadaverr 3 years ago
The only thing sloppy is your dumb ass
manliter 3 years ago
@manliter EXACTLY
tomesvids4u 1 year ago
@tomesvids4u EXACTLY!!
byronthe4th1 1 year ago
I'll be paciently waiting for this simple video of you playing those "sloppy" single strokes like THAT to finally be able to prove your (no doubt) "controversial" point! :)
cadaverr 3 years ago
rofl sloppy.. i guarentee you it is a lot easier to play a simple groove than it is to play 20 beats a second. it takes just as much creativity to play the drums like these guys do as it does to play something soulful. besides, i think you are the only one out of 37244 viewers that thinks this is sloppy. youre just jealous. not everybody has the kind of talent to play the drums like these guys do.
waterbear2 2 years ago
I challenge you to perform that very short Buddy Rich armcrossings alone without sounding utterly sloppy and troubled! Maybe you'll get it. Some day in time...maybe, there will be some hope...maybe...perhaps...who knows the future after all? :o)
cadaverr 3 years ago
the only reason it may seem sloppy is because they arent being repetitive, thus you arent expecting what they are going to do next because they are completely improvising what theyre doing. its a drum battle. its just like any other battle. i guess you never heard of battling though. they arent necessarily playing songs, just competing their skill against each other.
waterbear2 2 years ago
awesome. Two old guys having a drum battle. Just kidding. Respect. I wish I could play that well. Maybe when Im 70 like those guys. HAHA. Nah. Awesome solo
Dustin4494 4 years ago
People should've pissed Buddy off more often so then he could show us what he could REALLY do more often. Some of the stuff he does here is simply breathtaking and hard to believe. :)
cadaverr 4 years ago
this is insane...Which one's rich?
thadonhimself 4 years ago
i believe he is the one with the silver drums
MegBows92 4 years ago
you DONT tug on supermans cape you dont spit in TO the wind you DONT pull the mask off the old lone ranger AND YOU DONT GET INTO DRUM BATTLES WITH BUDDY RICH EVER!
chuckkenn 4 years ago 4
@chuckkenn if only his name was jim
lovinthecountry1 1 year ago
Joey Jordison?? Dude- what the hell are you talking about?? This is jazz music not rock. Jazz is way harder than rock music--ask any drummer who plays. Hell, ask Joey and he'll pronbably tell you that Ed and Buddy would blow him away
mavrick7288 4 years ago
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joey jordison would kill both these greaseball hacks if they r not dead already
scopions84 4 years ago
ok...umm....not even a competition.joey jordison is a messy drum basher...not even comparable to buddy rich...maybe you should learn about drumming before you make ridiculous accusasions like that...any jazz drummer could blow all most ALL rock drummers...only carl palmer and maybe jeff pocaro or teri bozzio would be close to competition
MegBows92 4 years ago
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MattHatter 3 years ago
*EVERYONE in this WORLD... hunf :/
cadaverr 4 years ago
Probably EVERYONE in this would have their head chopped off their body with Buddy being so ridiculously and mercylessly competitive like at that night.
cadaverr 4 years ago
Buddy's last in-take grinded the greatly talented Mr. Shaughnessy. Cutting him in two pieces. That was a GOOD battle. Nonetheless. ;)
cadaverr 4 years ago
Well said MattHatter!
RossB999 4 years ago
now buddy rich is a drummer!
3264fdhgd 4 years ago
That was blindingly awesome. Anybody comparing rock drummers to pros like this are nuts. These guys could repeat these solos a hundred times exactly the same way. They were paid for more than just improvising.
discomatador 4 years ago
Ed Shaughnessy has class. From what I can see, he was matching Buddy round for round...pulled away, the crowd cheered and Buddy went into over drive and took to his left hand...my eyes just watered watching these great drummers!
Standardfrank 4 years ago
enough of the pissing match, listen to JoJo Mayer. enjoy!
toolle 4 years ago
Jojo would throw his sticks away, shocked with Buddy's awesomely clean, hyper fast and greatly interesting rudimental combinations. Jojo is awesome, be he doesn't shock me like Buddy for minutes in a row, non-stop. He has his moments (a couple of pretty cool things which are no longer than a couple seconds).
cadaverr 4 years ago
I agree with everything you said, cadaverr. Jojo can't compete -- especially in sheer musicality.
richcapo 4 years ago
Thanks man! I'm back from some days off and I thank you for the kind words. Throw anyone there in that situation and they'd get grinded to death. Tony Royster, Colaiuta, Virgil Donati (yes, even Donati!!!), Steve Smith, Morello, Jojo Mayer, Rabb, anyone. Buddy was a rudimental beast. A creative overkill, always ready to eat anyone alive any day, any time. The accents alone presented here are just mind blowing.
cadaverr 4 years ago
Glad to have you back, cadaverr -- now you can get to answering my questions on your note counts!
richcapo 4 years ago
I love practising my rudiments but my head just explodes desesperately trying to figure out his unique drum brilliance. What makes everything this man played sooo damn good. A marvel.
cadaverr 4 years ago
Could you imagine where that drum battle would stop with two more in takes in advance? I mean, Buddy's 3rd one was, easily one of the most impressive things I've ever seen and heard in my WHOLE life. It doesn't look human at all! Imagine how could that drum battle end like with it being a little longer? Would that drum kit have resisted such insanity? I can't imagine what Buddy would have performed right after. I just can't imagine that.
cadaverr 4 years ago 2
Me, neither. Buddy was on fire that night. And he only seemed to get faster, and more insanely complex and musical (speed can be musical, after all) as the battle raged on.
richcapo 4 years ago
By the way, cadaverr, I counted one of Flo Mournier's solos -- his max seemed to be seven notes per hand per second, and he rarely hit even that. He cruised at 6.6 in that solo, as far as I could tell. I also counted the "Roddy, Part 1" solo that's available on Drummerworld. His max was 9 notes per hand per second. Not bad, but not Buddy.
richcapo 4 years ago
At half speed here, at parts Buddy is as fast or faster than Flo at full speed in that solo.
richcapo 4 years ago
Isn't Joey Jordison the guy from Slipknot? I can't remember but if he is...no...please don't mention his name alongside Buddy Rich, Gene Krupa, Keith Moon, John Bonham, Ginger Baker, or any of the others. I've seen the drummer from Slipknot and I've seen it all before. Nothing new. Fast double bass, etc. There's a difference between having a gift that separates you from everybody else and just being really good at technicality.
MattHatter 4 years ago
i wouldnt put keith or ginger in there...maybe not even bonham...but they're all better than any modern drummer
MegBows92 4 years ago
Buudy Rich is the BEST!
alpinladen 4 years ago
I didn't know Ed S. was that good. It was cool that he could hold his own. Buddy Rich's speed was inhuman. " And still World Champion Buddy Rich." Two great drummers.
leo2nd74 4 years ago
itd be cool if buddy rich, ed shaughnessy, neil peart, joey jordison, and chris adler all had a big drum off thing:)
pizzapie555 4 years ago
Joey Jordison would need to be stripped down to a basic kit...he would easily be the first to give up I guarantee you...he's nowhere near being the best rock or jazz drummer...Peart has proven he can hold his own on a basic kit...to everyone except rich or shaughnessy. Chris Adler...sorry, no way. The three others besides Buddy and Ed would not even make it halfway through.
jetfreak4 4 years ago
no no no no. They would all have their own unique sets, as giving them all the same one (like one of those basic pieces of shit) would make it unfair (not to mention much less entertaining). And of course joeys nowhere near the best rock or jazz drummer, because he ISN'T a rock or jazz drummer! hes a metal drummer! (and is one of the best of the sort if not THE best)
pizzapie555 4 years ago
replace joey jordison with john bonham and then it would be even cooler because joey SUCKS! well he doesnt suck but he sure as hell isnt up there with buddy rich or neil peart.
ihateutube92 4 years ago
why does that even matter? hes one of todays best drummers, so why take him out? altho adding in john would make it better. id also add in the drummer from dragonforce aswell.
pizzapie555 4 years ago
Why the fuck is the maggot drummer even mention here?He's a shit drummer for fucks sake and anybody who even compares him next to someone like buddy clearly has the IQ of a fucking goldfish.
Irapenuns 4 years ago
Sorry I used profanity but I get pissed at maggots constantly comparing him to truly talented drummers.
Irapenuns 4 years ago
holy crap
that's all have to say
ianvogan 4 years ago
Ed Shaughnessy may not be as good as Buddy but he's a hell of a lot better than everybody else living today. My god these two guys in this video are FUCKING PHENOMENAL HATS OFF TO BOTH OF THEM.
jetfreak4 4 years ago 2
Buddy forever!!!
lera79 5 years ago
Yeah. Buddy definitely was ALWAYS holding back against friends (especially against Krupa). This is a well-known fact actually.
If Buddy started his ultra fast single stroke rolls through the kit, Ed would be KILLED "on demand". At least here he can have some space to breath (and develop a (or "some") nice drum solo). Hehe.
cadaverr 5 years ago
there is a solo where krupa does his thing...ehh...and then buddy starts with this blinding hand-to-hand cresendo and just put krupa to shame within about 10 secs...so he didn't always hold back....he couldn't
madchops82 4 years ago
far out!!! HAHAHAHA it's too bad we won't be seeing drum battles between guys at this level in the future...these are two of the great greats of drummers. I agree that Buddy is holding back here though. Ed can match Buddy to a point.
jetfreak4 5 years ago
Yeah. Buddy definitely was ALWAYS holding back against friends (especially against Krupa). This is a well-known fact actually.
If Buddy started his ultra fast single stroke rolls through the kit, Ed would be KILLED "on demand". At least here he can have some space to breath (and develop a (or "some") nice drum solo). Hehe.
cadaverr 5 years ago
Eds good but he's not as clean as Buddy. You can see that from the for couple of bars of his first solo where his sticks touch. Big no no is jazz.
xms32 5 years ago
Ed is good, but Buddy is da man.
rdangelo 5 years ago
There are so many great drummers out there who once were and now are. But NO ONE and I repeat NO ONE has been able to clear the bar that Buddy set. Buddy had it all...speed, tone, you name it the man had it! This was the gift he had. Some of the things Keith Moon could do blow my mind but I rethought everything once I saw film footage of Buddy. One of those people who can move you to friggin tears with their intense talent!
MattHatter 5 years ago
who cares about speed as long as the groove is in time complex and interesting, art verdi or whatever his name is, is more into racing drums than playing them Im nit a big buddy fan but at least he had more artism wiht his speed!
cheemooo 5 years ago
Oh my. Today is the first time I've ever heard of Buddy Rich and I've now watched 4 solos of his. I'm gobsmacked, he's truly incredible.
Also I agree with pablo1911
sumofphi 5 years ago
INCREDIBLE
chavvyreal 5 years ago
Buddy Rich = Greatest drummer ever!
Pocketsizepete 5 years ago
The day that Virgil Donati has the same hand and arms habilities of Buddy Rich, I'll certainly drop dead (that's still to happen... - an I've seen more than 10 different virgil donati videos right here, on youtube).
Buddy could play whatever he wanted, and totally effortless. Those arm crossing speeds are sick just for themselves.
cadaverr 5 years ago
Cadaverr, my good man ... looks like you'll be living forever.
richcapo 5 years ago
Yeah I agree some dude mentioned virgil and I wasnt impressed at all.Even niel pert is better.
Irapenuns 4 years ago
Buddy was far cleaner and he was even playing around by passing his left hand over and under his right arm. Just having fun... Whereas Shaughnessy was all business and was trying real hard just to keep up. A great performance and effort by both, but Buddy makes it seem effortless....
pablo1911 5 years ago
buddy riches drums sound like cofee cans man that guy could not make one grovving beat!
cheemooo 5 years ago
There are some videos claiming that Art Verdi is the fastest drummer in the world. That MIGHT be true, but he lacks the versatility that Buddy Rich has.
Rawk4Life 5 years ago
Verdi is nowhere near as fast as Buddy. And he has none of Buddy's complexity.
richcapo 5 years ago
Very true!
Rawk4Life 5 years ago
Gene Krupa of course.
AmrithEl 5 years ago
I heard Buddy Rich is the 2nd world best drummer... Can anyone tell me who's nº1?
Victor6556 5 years ago
True boomer, but these two could both do amazing solos and keep rhythm with a band. These two are some of the greatest with Buddy Rich being the greatest of all time by far. The greatest living drummer is Neal Peart.
DJPsYkik 5 years ago
uuuummmm.... what? best? everyone knows buddy was the master!!! neil is good but he's no buddy by a long shot... sorry pal
AGOPIMOU1 4 years ago
Read my comment more carefully senor. I said Neil Peart is the greatest LIVING drummer. Buddy is the greatest of all time.
DJPsYkik 4 years ago
excuse me my mistake...
AGOPIMOU1 4 years ago
gee, i guess vinnie colaiuta, terry bozzio, bill bruford, chester thompson, steve gadd, and about a couple of hundred other drummers far, far better and more interesting than peart can hang up their sticks now. you poltroon.
CredulousDolt 4 years ago
carl palmer...not neil peart
MegBows92 4 years ago
I agree with Scandian,these are two amazing drummers!
DrummingBubba 5 years ago
funny story i read in an Ed S. interview... ed asked buddy to promise not to do the over under thing buddy made ed promise to not do the indian takita thing... buddy got in the moment and forgot but ed kept his promise... o well... funny to think buddy actually felt intimidated by someone elses thing eh?...
littlephoenix1115 5 years ago
was buddy rich mean or something?
Duffman1231 5 years ago
evry big band jazz group leader was a bit dick... they had the attitude
littlephoenix1115 5 years ago
Incredible stuff! Saw them both live, Ed was much cleaner and I believe faster. Buddy was Buddy--- a showman (cross-overs)and loud! Great video!
owenray 5 years ago
Ed actually falls out of rhythm a number of times here. He gets a bit sloppy on the mounted toms and the floor rolls. He's struggling. And he's nowhere near as fast as Buddy is here, imo.
richcapo 5 years ago
Struggling? you're kidding right? Two great drummers!
Know that Dennis Chambers has 'em both licked if you're stuck on Buddy's talent.
owenray 5 years ago
Yes, he falls out of rhythm several times. He is an amazing drummer, but he does not keep up with Buddy here. I disagree about Chambers -- he doesn't have Buddy's ability to spontaneously create such extreme phrasing; neither does he have Buddy's stamina, imo.
richcapo 5 years ago
ok... just stop!! dont sound dumb ...please
AGOPIMOU1 4 years ago
god damnit that's great....cheak out the side burns :P
AVAmarc182 5 years ago
Buddy Rich is one of the greatest drummer that have ever lived....
He is a legend!!
MaidenTORE 5 years ago
l2p2song
wellzor 5 years ago
both amazing drummers
Scandian 5 years ago
i agree with justin 2353 ed's goood but next to buddy (even though buddy's a dickhead) he doesn't compare
FrankPorland 5 years ago
Buddy wins that one, but saying that, ti wasnt often that buddy was beaten in a drum beattle.
dazthedrummer 5 years ago
buddy is too good
jonwill1 5 years ago
damn!!!!!! i give up!! i`m not gonna play drums no more after i saw this video..
sheep13 5 years ago
Shaughnessy almost keeps up... the first 2 sets anyways... i love the Shaugnessy ride....
218drum 5 years ago
I've never seen something like this, they're totally crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wenceslas 5 years ago
Ed almost keeps up! But you can tell Buddy's holding back, and Ed looks like he's gonna pass out. But still to even sit next to Buddy and look that good is amazing!
justin2535 5 years ago
That's fucking amazing!
sanoban 5 years ago
BUDDYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!
superjules 5 years ago