I'm not sure these "experts" have actually READ the real fairytales Disney is based off of...the real ones are MUCH much worse. Ariel gives up a LOT more than her voice for the prince. She gives up her family, her tongue, her comfort (the spell makes her feel like she's walking on broken glass and her feet bleed), and her life....I don't think 3 days of a lost voice is so bad by comparison :P
You must have discernment because frankly today , there Is not one single documentary exposing the "truth" that Isn't also knowingly or unknowingly promoting something false. If any such rock solid productions come to light , they are snuffed out Immediately but the chances of them making It that far Is slim to nothing.
I enjoyed watching Disney films as a child, but for some of you guys to completely blow this off is asinine of course Disney sends subliminal messages to children through their movies. One of the ways is the taming of the beast thing girls do this all the time and end up in horrible relationships because they feel they can change a bad boy. Now Disney isn't only responsible for this but it does a play some role.
@joshd9124 Everything in life sends subliminal messages to children, deal with it. I'd much rather have my children influenced by wholesome family values than whatever else some people are trying to replace it with. Disney makes movies about taming the beast because that's what kids want to see.
So according to this woman, you're not a real feminist or a true confident woman if you marry a man, rather than be independent? Even though a lot women probably didn't have jobs when these movies took place?
These people do know that women work at Disney too, right? That it's not some boy's club? More to the point, sexual representation was around for millenia before Disney was around, are you saying Disney can't mimic society? And women drawn sexy? The shock! I look like crap next to Aladdin! And I love how they believe that using sex to get what you want is a new idea courtesy of Disney. Open a history book and you may be in for a shock, ladies.
one thing i find funny is they claim how disney is bringing all these subliminal messages when these stories are based on fairy tales who already depicted how the characters where. i grew up on these films, friend s and family all grew up on these films, and we all agree our own kids will grow up on these films. people are looking too deep into things, only seeing the bad.
Ummm..people I think you're missing the point. No one is saying that Disney is the devil, and we should care about cartooons that do this stuff. Not saying we should put an automatic v-chip in everyone's tvs but it's just good to be aware of stuff like this. I had no idea that all this stuff was going on until I actually saw this and thought about it. It's fascinating!!
I cant believe I have to write an essay on this for college. I think these people need to wake up and realize that Disney is not the Devil. My sis and I both grew up watching Disney and we turned out normal.......who freakin cares about a cartoon? Its a parents job to influence kids, geez
@dazed8802 I have six sisters and numerous of female cousins and we all watched Disney Cartoons and we all are very successful women with children that also watch cartoons from Disney among others.
Let's move onto something like Sponsoring deployed TROOPs during the holiday season as they serve and protect us or how about getting ready to vote have you registered yet? If you don't vote shut up about what is going on because your voice doesn't count now either.
@dazed8802 "Its a parents job to influence kids, geez"
What about those parents who don't want to deal with their children and put a Disney movie on the T.V.? Please don't wave this away with the tired old, "gee-whiz guys, I turned out OK!" Disney's had an active agenda for years now, it's well documented and researched. And if you think it's all sunshine and rainbows, try to remember this old adage about the information age, "He who controls the information, controls the world".
@dazed8802 No one is claiming that Disney is "the devil." The media has arguably the biggest influence on our society. The only way to avoid this influence would be to keep your eyes and ears shut 24/7. While parenting in no doubt holds a crucial role in how children grow up, denying the impact of the media on our lives is nothing short of absurd. And sadly, the whole "it's the parents' fault" argument is far too common. If we choose to remain silent of these issues, nothing will ever change.
This is pretty enlightening how similar Disney movies are, but I seriously think this movie was made by bitter lesbians that never had a childhood or ever got laid in college.
@Rissako Not to mention that it teaches girl that bad men (or 'bad boys') are really good people who need a womanly touch to get their good sides out. This has been proven to lead to women going and staying in abusive relationships as adults.
I was once a fan of the Mickey Mouse Club. Now, I want nothing less than its complete dissolution. In this age of infinite wisdom and information this illusion has no place left. It hinders imagination. To dissolve this profit oriented market agenda, I shall devote my utmost time and sincerity. Change is necessary for humanity to evolve.
DO NOT WATCH THIS DOCUMENTARY. IF YOU DO, YOU WILL GET ANNOYED WITH YOURSELF. YOU'LL START TO NOTICE STEREOTYPES OF GENDERS AND SHAMELESS ADVERTISING EVERYWHERE AND WILL THINK THAT IT IS DISNEY THAT HAS INFLUENCED YOUR WHOLE PERSONALITY AND BEHAVIOUR.
DISNEY IS A GOOD COMPANY. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE THEIR BAD BITS. I'M JUST ADVISING PEOPLE HERE.
oh come on! what 6 year old is gonn a be think like that? Oh Ariel gave up her voice (thus or rights as a woman) and has to get Prince Eric with her body (defiling herself). If a girl gets into a type of relationship like that or a boy, whatever i doubt the first thing people are going to say is. Did you what the disney film The Little Mermaid as a child? Because if you did, THATS where it must have started -__- blame bad parenting skills and the envirnoment the kid grew up in
I DON'T SEE WHAT THE WOMAN AT 8:20 IS COMPLAINING ABOUT. IF MY GIRLFRIEND LOST HER VOICE FOR LIFE AND ONLY USED HER BODY TO COMMUNICATE WITH ME THEN I WOULD DIE A HAPPY MAN.
Look the point is WE as people and parents have the right to LEAVE THE TV OFF! We, as parents, are responsible for how our children grow up. Everyone wants to play the VICTIM and not take responsibility for their downfall.
It's just a story plot... To think that Disney has some preconceived agenda of portraying girls to be subordinate to boys is rediculous. What about how Disney portrays the 'male hero' in their films... Their all masculine big body built; as a man am I offended if I don't look like that? Absolutely not! It's just a way of portraying the ideal traits of men and women. Men being masculine, women being feminine. Disney has done a great job in making society's children happy!!!
They say girls watch disney movies and it affects there body image. I say everything you see in advertisements and magazines and such is even worse than the "disney image".
Are they not also going to reference how woman grown from depending on men but in the Case of chars like Meg from hercules are strong and independant. Or that chars like Gaston are male pigs and are cast as the villan.
Gosh, all this makes Disney look super-evil. And as for all the "concerned intellectuals" who keep stating the obvious makes them sound dumb rather than smart.
Do people not realize that kids will imitate stuff that they see. I don`t think there was any harm from little girls imitating the Vannessa Williams video. Plus, yeah you see women getting rescued by men in these movies but did they forget that some of these female characters rescued the guys: Ariel saved Eric from drowning, Belle broke the spell on the Beast and Esmerada saved Quasimodo and Phebus from being hanged. I`m a girl, but if I was in a bad situation, I really don`t care who saves me.
@theatergirl88 it's not that what they're seeing is necessarily bad or good. Whether it's bad or good, doesn't entirely matter in this case. What does, however, is that these images make up most of what kids--in the past and the present--are seeing. If there was WAY more diversity in the media and more options regarding child entertainment then these themes of gender roles wouldn't matter as much.
Notice that Snow White sining and whistling while she cleans the house if offensive to women because , this is terrible work for women but sining in a mine is not seen as oppresion of men. Underground mining is one of the most dangerous proffestions and is one of the worst working environments. Of course this was not what was focused on.
Positive or not, these movies are geared to market everything associated with each production, and as quickly as possible, before the next production is set to be released and the "older" production is passe. A good example of useless stuff, produced at the expense of the externalized cost of health of the earth's environment, which means that the quality of all life suffers. I recommend everyone read the book ,"The Story of Stuff", by Annie Leonard.
Belle? A strong, powerful woman? I thought the opening song was about how the villagers saw Belle as a "beautiful girl" but that was "strange" and "odd".
I don't know, what I remember being little is that I thought Disney romance was icky! You know, I believed in cooties, and didn't like luvy-duvy stuff. Now I look at them as something cute and creative. I thought the female rabbit in Bambi was hilarious! I think kids know that animals don't act or talk like humans. At least, I knew they were not real.
3:50 I hated that little trio of girls that were after Gaston. I saw them as idiots, not because they were blond, but because they only cared about how strong and handsome sir asshole Gaston is. I was what, 6 yo, and then I didn't see anything else except that you should like people based on their personality, not looks.
Disney isn't TRYING to tell kids that girls are weak and need to be rescued all the time. it's just IN THE STORY. these are mostly fairy tales. And its just nice and romantic that the man is strong enough to care for his woman! Women make up in different ways.
plus, just because a woman is strong and indepenedent, but then FALLS IN LOVE doesn't mean that she's not independent and strong anymore!!! PPL FALL IN LOVE!!!
@ClevverTv24 I'll bet they'd say the same about Princess and the frog, with Eudora, Tiana's mother constantly bugging about marriage and children and then twords the end of the movie Tiana falls in love with Prince Naveen, they'd say "Oh well she just HAD to have a husband. Couldn't be running the resturant on her own." >.<' This Documentary is full of whiney people.
HOLY FRICK, these people haven't even WATCHED the movies! Using Esmeralda as an example of sexualization makes me cry, because the entire point of her character is that her sexualization gets her into trouble. Snow White is the only example of happy housewivery while the other princesses who do cleaning are slaves. Megara, Ariel, Pocahontas, and FLORA all saved the respective hero of the film at least once. I'm not trying to excuse all of Disney's screwups, but this is incredibly misinformed.
That is not a dig at houswewives but a dig at the illusion of universally happy-making and effortless housewifery. Everyone who is a housewife or knows a housewife can probably tell you how exhausting it can become (not to mention the enormous economic disadvantages you will have after your husband gets the idea to leave you after 10+ years) and Disney just glosses over this, effectively seling to young girls the idea that staying at home has no downsides.
@blackfoxlady "Staying at home has no downsides," like Cinderella had the awesome perk of having her clothes torn off by a pair of gold-diggers, Snow White was rewarded for her work with an assassination plot, and Aurora's housewivery paid off by her living in exile?
@JaceyDemy Well, you must prove that these negative actions are a direct result of the female character doing housework and not fabricate a connection out of thin air because it suits you. Cinderella was targeted because her stepmother and stepsisters wanted to have the power in the family- the housework she had to do was a direct way of punishing her. Snow White was targeted by the Queen because the queen was jealous of her beauty, not because of housework.
@JaceyDemy And Aurora, the sleeping beauty, was the victim of the evil fairy, again NO connection to housework. (Well, I can't remember exactly why she cursed Aurora, in the original fairytale that I was told as a kid, the evil fairy was furious that the sleeping beauty's parents hadn't invited her.)
@JaceyDemy Okay, serial posting. I was also not saying that Disney is portraying housework as effortless ALL THE TIME, I was trying to explain Prof. Dines' point of view as not being anti-housewife.
@Delvus85 I don't think that your getting the point. Disney rules the world, jersey shore does not. Jersey shore does not reach the younger audience (0-5) when the child is most susceptible to "outside molding". At least here you recognize Jersey Shore as a threat, where cartoons are not immediately recognized. Particularly, I am more afraid of the person who is hiding the knife, and not the one who has it exposed.
@Delvus85 There are LOTS of things to worry about, not just jersey shore or disney movies. Don't ignore the little problems either, they hold strong affects than one may think. Why you think lots of girls like twilight? It has that "He's a beast, but stay with him you can teach him love" influence.
@GENEFGMK actually that influence is in no way present in the twilight series. yes Edward Cullen is a vampire but he needs NO teaching about love from anyone. He is presented as chivalrous and courteous to Bella and actually never mistreats her at all. She is the one with the human flaws ie. being caught between Jacob and Edward, irrationality, mistrust, pressuring him into pre-marital sex when he doesn't want to. Edward is very near-perfect as a loving partner. nothing wrong with that
OMG do these people not realize that Snow White was made in 1937!!! yes in that time many woman WERE housewives!!!! the women's movement didnt start till after the fiftys!! and what's so wrong with staying home and cleaning??? many women love to stay home with their children and tend to their home. i love how these people praise areil when she talks back to her dad, saying it shows that she is a powerful woman. WTF? these people have seen these movies way too much
the feminist crap is all bullshit. Im living proof that it doesnt affect female sexuality at all. i am as tomboy as it gets and i was (still is) a huge disney princess fan. The characters are based on what society is. Why dont we talk about the man steryotypes too "Oh poor boys think they have to be a tough hero and take care of girls, suhc a burden on these young men." It goes both ways.
@blue&yellow - Its awesome that you have your personal shit together, but the stats for things like eating disorders in this country dont lie. Girls as a group are shaped by these messages, even if you personally have been able to shrug them off. Honestly, YOU should be out there telling women how its done. Youre a model of success if youve avoided falling into this stuff. Kids DONT notice shit, and thats the problem. They need to be told they can be anything. Disney doesnt do that for them.
Its not only disney though, thats pointing fingers. In fact its mostly stupid magazines and tv thats bringing people down. Cartoons have always been stereotypical.
@blue&yellow - Its definitely not only Disney, and ALL those who do it should be held to a higher standard. But Mickey's the biggest; he collects the most profits by far. That alone should make DisneyCorp most accountable. I agree TV and mags that limit people should also be held accountable ... but then again Disney has a huge presence on TV and in publishing.
I love animation, too, but that doesnt mean it cant be made better. See Shrek for starters. Theres a smash hit with an anti-princess.
Messages in media is a bi-product of the culture that was already set in place by other things like, oh, human nature. You think it was disney that created the image of a seductive female or a mean antagonist?
This is considerably flawed; valid arguments come beneath a couple layers of overanalysis, and I am known to praise media analysts. They could've given the other side a chance to speak, but they unfortunately didn't. The main problems with Disney are easily their shit labor conditions overseas, the declining quality of their work these days, their ability to shape the public's opinion in that of their own, and their inability to be as adventurous as they once were.
These women are impossible to please. They keep saying how Disney portrays women as weak yet when Jasmin tries to be heroic and tricks Jafar they claim that she's seducing him.
In movies like Pocahontas, the little mermaid and Mulan the female characters are far from being weak and helpless and are the main protagonists.
Even if women are portrayed as feminine there is nothing wrong with that. I mean its not like every female character should be a tomboy.
@ronimacarroni - You're making exactly the point the show is making. When women have "strength," it is predicated on traditional stereotypes of women. A woman influences men through her power to deceive and/or her physical beauty, not her intellect, physical strength, or show of honor & integrity. You can see the same thing in 40s film noir, just as you can see the same in with Eve in Milton's "Paradise Lost."
And no one has said "every female character should be a tomboy." That's a strawman
Full well written rich female characters that don't fit a stereotype or a trope. If it does have a stereotype or trope there has to be a real reason behind it to help the story progress. Also girls don't have to always end up falling in love either.
The thing that people need to realize is that Disney isn't trying to harm the minds of children or whatever they think they're doing. These are fairytales! Fairytales! They're meant to entertain and inspire. I mean, would they rather have "happily ever after" or "ariel dies and turns into sea foam; mulan never wins the war; and all the other unhappy endings that were originally intended for these stories?
@brisadiva9 - Why not have the original endings? Just as "Disney isn't trying to harm the minds of children," neither were the Brothers Grimm. All were trying to inculcate a cultural paradigm. The question then becomes: How do we want our children shaped? Into what do we want them shaped?
Is teaching a child that some stories have unhappy endings "harming her mind"? Is repeatedly showing her the same models of feminity and childhood good for her mind? IMO those questions are worth asking.
@Sully64ify I guess, but I'd rather wait until I'm older to learn of the original , more greusome endings, that way I'll have some hope in my mind that happily ever after can exist, also while learning gradually that you don't always get what you wish for.
@brisadiva9 - I understand the idea of waiting, but I think that's where good parenting comes in. Let the PARENTS decide to what degree they want to expose their children to "gruesome" or more realistic endings. The problem as I see it is that Disney offers no choice in the matter. Women are always portrayed in the same way, offering the same vision. It wouldn't harm DisneyCorp to diversify what it offers the public. Look at Shrek. The movie made a fortune and Fiona was NOT a Disney stereotype
Hey I own a version of bambi that has a documentary about the film and they used live animals for their representation. I've noticed rabbits in my back yard, the female does look smaller and fluffier. It's a duster not a broom in beauty and the beast and Belle isn't coquetish, she's the odd person and she rescues the beast in the end. Alot of the films they are talking about are fairy tales, not even close to their orgional counter part and their origional purpose was to scare children.
I don't know why the person who put this video up thinks the commentary on Snow white is a dig at housewifery. That scene from Snow white is frankly ridiculous. It suggests that women are natural home makers and they just love to cook and clean. Even housewives don't enjoy cleaning. It's a chore, not a passion. That's all the woman commenting on the scene was trying to say.
OMG. these are cartoons. Disney has been around for 50 plus years and woman have only grown stronger, better educated, more secure and have smashed through the glass ceiling at just about every level. these people need to get a life.
@patricmykel All these things are true, but no thanks to Disney. That came from questioning institutions like Disney that only show narrow images of women.
co-sign with Beauty and the Beast. If that was real life Beast is a very abusive boyfriend, people always ask abused women why they stay. Well they feel that they can change him, think about it.
co-sign with Jasmine being all sexual and stuff creeped me out when I was a child. LOL
Mulan not so bad in my opinion, the grandmother is old and you know it was back in her day. She saves the day and gets the guy not so bad
Kids pick up on these thing from a early age, these things are learned
@MizzDiamonds Disney mind fucks us all. I work in welfare now and they always relate back to watching disney when they where younger. I have helped children that have said they got there sexuality from Disney movies, hatred 4 there stepmothers, hatred for race and preference 4 men. One of my girls once said to me that she stayed with her abusive boyfriend because she knew deep down inside he was just misunderstood & could be charming sound familiar...
I would like to explain further what Gail Dines is saying around 7:00. She is not saying that women should now hate being housewives or that cooking and cleaning are bad. She is merely saying that the image portrayed is that women should be isolated and only caring for the house because that is the role they need to fill. We see these images as young girls and accept that fact that we should be happy to clean and cook and be happy talking to no one at home.
i am not a feminist i am a humanist. everyone is equal so immediately i have a problem with some of these arguments. these are stories based on fables and legends hundreds even thousands of years old. but the point is it is fantasy! the human mind is a flame to be kindled not a vessel to be filled and i do not believe that this is causing any damage in the long run once children see the difference between a movie and real life.
7:00 really bothered me. So, they're saying they want little girls to grow up and be all pouty and grumpy when they clean? I don't see a HUGE problem in her being happy with cleaning.
there are women in some countries who are getting treated worse than garbage and thier only rights are to basically to get raped and sold into sex slavery, and this needs to stop, yet the feminists are too busy crying about cartoon characters who have long hair and big boobs to do anything about these unfortunate women. makes me sick.
"Snow white enjoys cooking, and cleaning and friends with the animals and its so unrealistic.," ITS A FICTION MOVIE!!!!!!!! MY GOSH! Do these people think theres really mermaids swimming around and fairy god mothers and all that?
this makes some good points.. but when it comes to "Beauty and The Beast" doesnt Belle find this creature whos a monster inside and out, and teach him that through love he can remember his past inner beauty?
This has been an ongoing debate for many years. Disney is not the only guilty corporation who perpetuates the 50's male/female gender roles, nor are they personally responsible for their existence in the first place. Solving the problem means attacking the problem at the root, which will involve a national and maybe even global shift in thinking about women (if that is possible given the diverse nature of the world). Remember, these images start @ home. Parents can diffuse the stereotypes.
@somewhereoutthere007 continued DISNEY is trying to protect it's name..because the MEDIA! seems to like to warp things...and take away the REAL messages. AND try to replace them with what the MEDIAS image is.
@somewhereoutthere007 continued again.......And theen you get all these subliminal messages put in DISNEYS work. And conspiracies. it has nothing to do with the artists. it has everything to do with social media. We all need something to blame...why not DISNEY. NO! WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR SOCIETY AND MEDIA CULTURE. IT EVOLVED. THINGS CHANGE
@somewhereoutthere007 continued again...(keep followin)AND it's not always gonna be good...but as long as we truly know whats good for us, and whats best for our children. then isn't that what we should be focused on enough of this us us us...what about the kids!!! They are gonna grow up and learn all about this.
And they are gonna formulate their opinions...and point their own fingers. PEOPLE...i believe that it is not ALLL DISNEY. YES they have a crucial part. BUT i think with ever cooperation/ multimedia they can turn it around. WE HAVE TO CARE. ALL THIS APATHY IS RIDICULOUS! GET INVOLVED!
Okay, my last comment. Ever saw The Secret of N.I.M.H.? In the book, the film is based on, the males do "the rescue" in the end. The movie turns that around, so that the female is the heroine and does most of the work. And the film was directed by an ex-Disney animator!
So, don't let Disney tell children what to believe in, [insert group here] must tell that to children!
You see, whoever is educating children, (at least partially) shapes their belief system. If you are a parent, what makes you think you are being subjective? Huh? HUH???
Feminism is about a bright new world, where women would be indistinguishable from men, have no breast/waist, be hairy(everywhere) and overall looking like caveMEN.
Feminism is about a happier future where women will be absolutely undistinguishable from men, have no breasts or waist, be hairy (everywhere) and in overall look like a caveMAN.
No no no no no, we should just watch less television. What? "Let's shape the media the way we want it and let it control us"? No wai!!~!! What we should do is to have more competition in the TV industry, with many companies producing different things, telling different stories (so we could choose what to watch). Or just shut the bloody box off.
Yes they can but they can have an individuality and strength. It makes us think that only the beautiful women can be the heroes or that they have to be the oh so damsel in distress
I don't think the remark about housewifery is "totally unfair," I think it was poorly worded. I understand that cooking, cleaning, and raising children can be very fulfilling if that's what you like to do (man or woman). However, in our current society most women either want to have careers or are forced to work out of necessity, so for them enjoying cooking and cleaning is probably difficult since they have so much else to do, yet they're expected to do it anyway (while men aren't - as much).
Yep I see this.... I have many friends that are dads that are stay home while their wife is the bread winner. Hell I would love to stay home. Disney is a drug its hard to wean yourself away from its glamor.
Have any of you here watching this most interesting "documentary" on the evils of Disney, while some of them are somewhat true, the section on women and how Disney portrays them. Has anyone noticed how unqualified these woman protesting with their "logical" reasoning, how unfeminine any of the 3+ women are?????! Take another look if you don't see a pattern with the commentators on the subject.
Excuse me, what? Ok, some of this I understand. But that little crack at housewives they made around 7:00... "It makes no sense today" that some women actually enjoy cooking and cleaning?!? WTF?!? I LOVE to cook, knit, crochet... traditional "female" activities... but I also enjoy video games, playing basketball, and having a few drinks with my guy friends. Just because you enjoy traditionally female activities DOES NOT mean you are not a strong female!!!
OMG THIS IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS BUNCH OF BULLCRAP I HAVE EVER HEARD!!! I really jsut want to punch these "experts". Disney didn't make these movies to teach girls to be weak and dumb and men to be the heroes... they made beautiful stories that FIT THE TIME IN WHICH THEY WERE SET!! (Might I also point out how almost all these "experts" are women!? Like someone else above pointed out, the beast yells at Belle bcause he is just that.. A BEAST! Thats a main point of the movie..these ppl r so stupid
I see some of the things she is saying but a lot of it just sounds like she is looking for any reason to tear it down. She says the little mermaid must seduce him with juer her body, but she doesn't mention that the only thing he needed was her voice. And she talks about the end of Mulan as if falling in love is anti-feminist...
You're actually proving how sexist you are by saying "Might I also point out how almost all these "experts" are women!? "
What, exactly, makes a woman's opinion/statements invalid? If men were saying these things would you take it more seriously? Why?
And, also, people with a PhD are considered "experts," that's the term used. Just because you disagree with them that doesn't mean aren't edcuated on their subject.
lumiere goes after a duster... not a broom!! and how else are they supposed differentiate between males and females if they do not put lashes and other "overly" feminine features on animals and other non-human objects??
the beast yells at belle because he's a beast! they wouldn't have made his character a beast on the outside if he wasn't rude and selfish...it really says nothing about gender roles, that's just what the character is meant to be...and note how all the "experts" are female (except henry giroux, but he didn't comment on the male-female relationships)
The issue with body language is missing an important point. These are cartoons and as such they depend on caricature. Beauty and the Beast for instance has a variety of characters Maurice is short and fat with a thick mustache, while Gauston is ruggedly handsome with a steroid build to match his lack of consideration. The flighty blondes are overly sexualized, but Belle is idolized in a to the point of becoming a charicature in itself.
WELL DUUH! Of course it makes no sense because you're delibrately using a modern concept (feminism) on a cartoon set in the 30s. Talk about knocking down straw men!
also what they dont say is even though the beast is yelling, belle still stands up to him. they also don't say how all these female heroines. Even in 59' with Princess Aurora she does not want to be what society has planned for her.
what i hate is the part that it says, "One of the themes seen repeatedly in Disneys movies that however strong or powerful a female character may be she still needs to be rescued by a male. In the world of Disney females not only get in trouble easily they also lack the abilitiy to save their own lives. This is true in films of even the 80s and 90s".... what they are leaving out is... in the original stories all the female characters need saving.
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These people are acting like these gender stereotypes are new and created by Disney. Honestly, Disney really is just trying to entertain and make money, not create some evil world of their design because they want children to be misogynistic. They ARE reflecting society, because they are deliberately showing people what they want to see, so that they can make money. If you don't like your kids to watch Disney, then don't let them. Although they will be missing out, it's a lot of fun to watch.
I agree totally. Feminists all banging on about womans representation. It's only the ugly as fuck ones that complain about woman's portrayal, all the attractive woman couldn't care less and enjoy being desirable. Who wants to watch a fantasy movie portraying characters as they are in real life? I want hot women, strong men and violence!!!
Have you ever seen Gloria Steinem? She's old now, but she's been a leading feminist for a very long time and she was, indeed, pretty hot.
And by the way, why does a woman's attractiveness contribute to her intellectual respectability? It takes a LONG time to get a PhD, and by the time you're old enough to have gotten that and enough experience to be in a documentary, I'd bet you'd be pretty old and ugly too.
There are positive aspects to Disney movies too. Jasmine was using Jafar's misogyny to manipulate him, and he is held up as an example of a bad person, someone you do not want to be with, because he responds positively to a woman who is acting powerless. It sends a message to young boys that "bad guys" want a subserviant woman. Aladdin, the hero, fell in love with Jasmine when she was disguised as a peasant, and covering most of her body for the sake of independence & anonymity , not modesty.
fromkhadija, I think you might have got it wrong. It seems to me that the point of 7:01 is to make a parallel between how Disney gives in - a little but not too much - to appear rebellious and empowering, IMHO.
Parents are often too busy to spend much time with their children, teaching ethics, morals etc through normal interaction and play - as was the case a couple of generations ago.
Children sit down in front of TV and films, where they get most of their 'programming', watching Disney movies often hundreds of times over.
Should we not be interested in the life messages we are giving our children with this form of education?
I was a child 40 years ago &can tell you that is not accurate.
Women did not work whilst their children were young &were at home all day. They walked their children to school &back. Like most children I went home for lunch until I was 11 yrs old.
Children did not attend school till 5 yrs old.
Mothers met their children from school @ 3.15pm. There were very few after-school activities.
Mothers had far more time than they do today. Fathers worked less hours.
@explorer2101 Are you implying that women should stay at home and raise their children? This is a horrible stereotype and treating women as baby factories is wrong. Women have the right to have a career, do what they want with their life and they should not be feel bad for not having children, just because society is trying to force it on them. Invent a time machine and go back to the 50s if you don't like it!!!
People should have a free choice to do as they wish, as we are indeed not identical
However, for many these days it is not so much a choice as to whether both parents work - it is a necessity. Society has been deliberately engineered so that both partners are often kept working far too many hours & too hard to have much left to offer to their children in terms of quality attention
This suits the ruling oligarchs, not the majority of people
@explorer2101 yes, and all you mentioned in your previous comment is mothers, who are staying at home and fathers that weren't working "as much". Still is sexist, no matter what you say. Yes, the corporate machine is cruel, however, everyone is given a choice. You don't need to be a part of it. And don't give me that bullshit about parents having to earn money for their children, because that is something they should think about before having children.
@annybg I'm far from religious and never ever will I take on the responsibility as a "know-it-all." Checked out your profile and if that is really you...your cute... but your comments appear to make you seem ugly.
Also, there were no videos. Children's TV was only on for a few hours a day. So the pattern of sitting children down in front of the TV or video as a distraction at any time of day just did not occur.
Fathers were usually home by 5.30pm each evening.
Most young people I know today have to both work to make ends meet. Their children go to childminders from babies -and to play-schools from 2yrs old.
Working hrs, whilst officially shorter, have in reality got much longer.
the person who made this documentery clearly doesn't know the difference between cartoons and reality. there's a difference for a reason, it's to entertain the masses. cartoons are suppose to be different from reality.
I'm not sure these "experts" have actually READ the real fairytales Disney is based off of...the real ones are MUCH much worse. Ariel gives up a LOT more than her voice for the prince. She gives up her family, her tongue, her comfort (the spell makes her feel like she's walking on broken glass and her feet bleed), and her life....I don't think 3 days of a lost voice is so bad by comparison :P
edwardcullenismybf 2 weeks ago
Exactly what has to happen to a woman for her to turn so bitter that she has to resort to attacking a CARTOON???????? Is anything more ridiculous?
Furthark2000 1 month ago
What 5 year old wonders what it's like to be a woman?
Gordis510 1 month ago
@Gordis510 Seriously? Do you see all the little girls now a days that wear make-up and shit when they're only five?
UCHIHAxPRIDE 1 month ago
i always hated the female bunny from bambi. i thought she was a whore. i'm a female. i wanted thumper for myself.
andersonkoala 1 month ago
You must have discernment because frankly today , there Is not one single documentary exposing the "truth" that Isn't also knowingly or unknowingly promoting something false. If any such rock solid productions come to light , they are snuffed out Immediately but the chances of them making It that far Is slim to nothing.
reprovo 1 month ago in playlist Mickey Mouse Monopoly
I enjoyed watching Disney films as a child, but for some of you guys to completely blow this off is asinine of course Disney sends subliminal messages to children through their movies. One of the ways is the taming of the beast thing girls do this all the time and end up in horrible relationships because they feel they can change a bad boy. Now Disney isn't only responsible for this but it does a play some role.
joshd9124 2 months ago
@joshd9124 Everything in life sends subliminal messages to children, deal with it. I'd much rather have my children influenced by wholesome family values than whatever else some people are trying to replace it with. Disney makes movies about taming the beast because that's what kids want to see.
RealmEternal 1 month ago
So according to this woman, you're not a real feminist or a true confident woman if you marry a man, rather than be independent? Even though a lot women probably didn't have jobs when these movies took place?
Okay...
NoPizzaProductions 2 months ago
@Delvus55 don't you also think that people who watch jersey shore should be old enough to realize what's good for them anyway?
TheDonttalktome 2 months ago
7:18 I CAN'T STAND IT ANYMORE im going to watch snow white right now
sebway23 3 months ago in playlist More videos from fromkhadija
are they trying to say there is something wrong with the girls at 1:11? they are only kidding around.
qwertyuioplkjhgfd864 3 months ago
These people do know that women work at Disney too, right? That it's not some boy's club? More to the point, sexual representation was around for millenia before Disney was around, are you saying Disney can't mimic society? And women drawn sexy? The shock! I look like crap next to Aladdin! And I love how they believe that using sex to get what you want is a new idea courtesy of Disney. Open a history book and you may be in for a shock, ladies.
3brerfox 3 months ago
watching this just makes me want to rewatch all those awesome movies i grew up on <3
redlola92 3 months ago 2
one thing i find funny is they claim how disney is bringing all these subliminal messages when these stories are based on fairy tales who already depicted how the characters where. i grew up on these films, friend s and family all grew up on these films, and we all agree our own kids will grow up on these films. people are looking too deep into things, only seeing the bad.
redlola92 3 months ago
Ummm..people I think you're missing the point. No one is saying that Disney is the devil, and we should care about cartooons that do this stuff. Not saying we should put an automatic v-chip in everyone's tvs but it's just good to be aware of stuff like this. I had no idea that all this stuff was going on until I actually saw this and thought about it. It's fascinating!!
foodlol19 3 months ago
I cant believe I have to write an essay on this for college. I think these people need to wake up and realize that Disney is not the Devil. My sis and I both grew up watching Disney and we turned out normal.......who freakin cares about a cartoon? Its a parents job to influence kids, geez
dazed8802 4 months ago 7
@dazed8802 I have six sisters and numerous of female cousins and we all watched Disney Cartoons and we all are very successful women with children that also watch cartoons from Disney among others.
Let's move onto something like Sponsoring deployed TROOPs during the holiday season as they serve and protect us or how about getting ready to vote have you registered yet? If you don't vote shut up about what is going on because your voice doesn't count now either.
WorldsMostChosenEnt 3 months ago
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@dazed8802 "Its a parents job to influence kids, geez"
What about those parents who don't want to deal with their children and put a Disney movie on the T.V.? Please don't wave this away with the tired old, "gee-whiz guys, I turned out OK!" Disney's had an active agenda for years now, it's well documented and researched. And if you think it's all sunshine and rainbows, try to remember this old adage about the information age, "He who controls the information, controls the world".
LovelesOne 2 months ago
@dazed8802 No one is claiming that Disney is "the devil." The media has arguably the biggest influence on our society. The only way to avoid this influence would be to keep your eyes and ears shut 24/7. While parenting in no doubt holds a crucial role in how children grow up, denying the impact of the media on our lives is nothing short of absurd. And sadly, the whole "it's the parents' fault" argument is far too common. If we choose to remain silent of these issues, nothing will ever change.
tookthenight 12 hours ago
This is pretty enlightening how similar Disney movies are, but I seriously think this movie was made by bitter lesbians that never had a childhood or ever got laid in college.
YesWeCantaloupe 4 months ago in playlist Mickey Mouse Monopoly: A little documentary on Disney
@jbuugi
nah the illustator was just a texas lonhorn fan. lol Hook 'Em! \m/
claiternaiter446 5 months ago
Imma let you finish, but BABETTE WAS A FEATHER-DUSTER. Not a broom.
TheJAMFactor 6 months ago
beauty and the beast = stockholm syndrome
Rissako 6 months ago
@Rissako Not to mention that it teaches girl that bad men (or 'bad boys') are really good people who need a womanly touch to get their good sides out. This has been proven to lead to women going and staying in abusive relationships as adults.
Hotshotter3000 4 months ago
its ironic cause the one strong female character (princess btw) kida , is near forgotten and know one likes it *eyeroll*
narutolove12 6 months ago
dat ass
2583060 7 months ago
I was once a fan of the Mickey Mouse Club. Now, I want nothing less than its complete dissolution. In this age of infinite wisdom and information this illusion has no place left. It hinders imagination. To dissolve this profit oriented market agenda, I shall devote my utmost time and sincerity. Change is necessary for humanity to evolve.
shashankgogoi 8 months ago
Man... People here... Really like disney... a lot...
hiverhythm 8 months ago
DO NOT WATCH THIS DOCUMENTARY. IF YOU DO, YOU WILL GET ANNOYED WITH YOURSELF. YOU'LL START TO NOTICE STEREOTYPES OF GENDERS AND SHAMELESS ADVERTISING EVERYWHERE AND WILL THINK THAT IT IS DISNEY THAT HAS INFLUENCED YOUR WHOLE PERSONALITY AND BEHAVIOUR.
DISNEY IS A GOOD COMPANY. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE THEIR BAD BITS. I'M JUST ADVISING PEOPLE HERE.
FloppyAndBoppy 9 months ago
but the story lines aren't even made by Disney
fivekrunner28 9 months ago
So stop buying your daughters barbies. :)
TheDoorIsJammed 9 months ago
oh come on! what 6 year old is gonn a be think like that? Oh Ariel gave up her voice (thus or rights as a woman) and has to get Prince Eric with her body (defiling herself). If a girl gets into a type of relationship like that or a boy, whatever i doubt the first thing people are going to say is. Did you what the disney film The Little Mermaid as a child? Because if you did, THATS where it must have started -__- blame bad parenting skills and the envirnoment the kid grew up in
xffokcufxXx 9 months ago
I DON'T SEE WHAT THE WOMAN AT 8:20 IS COMPLAINING ABOUT. IF MY GIRLFRIEND LOST HER VOICE FOR LIFE AND ONLY USED HER BODY TO COMMUNICATE WITH ME THEN I WOULD DIE A HAPPY MAN.
TurdFurggison 10 months ago
Look the point is WE as people and parents have the right to LEAVE THE TV OFF! We, as parents, are responsible for how our children grow up. Everyone wants to play the VICTIM and not take responsibility for their downfall.
dimitra831 10 months ago
It's just a story plot... To think that Disney has some preconceived agenda of portraying girls to be subordinate to boys is rediculous. What about how Disney portrays the 'male hero' in their films... Their all masculine big body built; as a man am I offended if I don't look like that? Absolutely not! It's just a way of portraying the ideal traits of men and women. Men being masculine, women being feminine. Disney has done a great job in making society's children happy!!!
VIPSTATUS100 11 months ago
These people seem to have completely forgotten what it's like to watch those movies when you're young. No child sees what they are talking about.
Elie303 11 months ago
They say girls watch disney movies and it affects there body image. I say everything you see in advertisements and magazines and such is even worse than the "disney image".
Elie303 11 months ago
Are they not also going to reference how woman grown from depending on men but in the Case of chars like Meg from hercules are strong and independant. Or that chars like Gaston are male pigs and are cast as the villan.
jonathan6683 11 months ago
um aren't there any males to interview...
Antisyncretism 11 months ago
Eh, fuck people who want a fucking sterile world.
McScreenName 11 months ago
I hate feminists.
johncerasi 11 months ago
Gosh, all this makes Disney look super-evil. And as for all the "concerned intellectuals" who keep stating the obvious makes them sound dumb rather than smart.
UndeadTurk 1 year ago
Gail Dines is in this documentary!?!?!?! Yessssssss. She's contributed so much to the feminist community. Glad to see her here.
cukistcrispeque 1 year ago
Do people not realize that kids will imitate stuff that they see. I don`t think there was any harm from little girls imitating the Vannessa Williams video. Plus, yeah you see women getting rescued by men in these movies but did they forget that some of these female characters rescued the guys: Ariel saved Eric from drowning, Belle broke the spell on the Beast and Esmerada saved Quasimodo and Phebus from being hanged. I`m a girl, but if I was in a bad situation, I really don`t care who saves me.
theatergirl88 1 year ago
@theatergirl88 it's not that what they're seeing is necessarily bad or good. Whether it's bad or good, doesn't entirely matter in this case. What does, however, is that these images make up most of what kids--in the past and the present--are seeing. If there was WAY more diversity in the media and more options regarding child entertainment then these themes of gender roles wouldn't matter as much.
TaurusType 11 months ago
I think the Beauty and The Beast thing at the end is more hilarious than horrific XD
ChadLikesGuitars 1 year ago
Notice that Snow White sining and whistling while she cleans the house if offensive to women because , this is terrible work for women but sining in a mine is not seen as oppresion of men. Underground mining is one of the most dangerous proffestions and is one of the worst working environments. Of course this was not what was focused on.
Knoss 1 year ago
@Knoss Everyone knows that a dwarf's natural environment is in a mine.
wonderboyjohnny 11 months ago
"I have a daughter and I'm keeping her away from Gail" Penn Jillette on Gail Dines
Knoss 1 year ago
Positive or not, these movies are geared to market everything associated with each production, and as quickly as possible, before the next production is set to be released and the "older" production is passe. A good example of useless stuff, produced at the expense of the externalized cost of health of the earth's environment, which means that the quality of all life suffers. I recommend everyone read the book ,"The Story of Stuff", by Annie Leonard.
cloverhwoods 1 year ago
@cloverhwoods check out The Story of Stuff: The Critique
Knoss 1 year ago
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@Amocee just like a typical religious man, you think you can boss every woman around. Piss off : )
annybg 1 year ago
Belle? A strong, powerful woman? I thought the opening song was about how the villagers saw Belle as a "beautiful girl" but that was "strange" and "odd".
TheTovestar 1 year ago
I don't know, what I remember being little is that I thought Disney romance was icky! You know, I believed in cooties, and didn't like luvy-duvy stuff. Now I look at them as something cute and creative. I thought the female rabbit in Bambi was hilarious! I think kids know that animals don't act or talk like humans. At least, I knew they were not real.
TheTovestar 1 year ago
beauty and the beast promotes beastiality.
MaetelUsagi 1 year ago
3:50 I hated that little trio of girls that were after Gaston. I saw them as idiots, not because they were blond, but because they only cared about how strong and handsome sir asshole Gaston is. I was what, 6 yo, and then I didn't see anything else except that you should like people based on their personality, not looks.
krazykitty529 1 year ago
Disney isn't TRYING to tell kids that girls are weak and need to be rescued all the time. it's just IN THE STORY. these are mostly fairy tales. And its just nice and romantic that the man is strong enough to care for his woman! Women make up in different ways.
plus, just because a woman is strong and indepenedent, but then FALLS IN LOVE doesn't mean that she's not independent and strong anymore!!! PPL FALL IN LOVE!!!
ClevverTv24 1 year ago
@ClevverTv24 I'll bet they'd say the same about Princess and the frog, with Eudora, Tiana's mother constantly bugging about marriage and children and then twords the end of the movie Tiana falls in love with Prince Naveen, they'd say "Oh well she just HAD to have a husband. Couldn't be running the resturant on her own." >.<' This Documentary is full of whiney people.
DimitrisduchessXD 1 year ago
@DimitrisduchessXD IKR
ClevverTv24 1 year ago
@ClevverTv24 Huh? Whats that acronym?
DimitrisduchessXD 1 year ago
@DimitrisduchessXD "i know right" :P lol i agree w/ u 100% :)
ClevverTv24 1 year ago
HOLY FRICK, these people haven't even WATCHED the movies! Using Esmeralda as an example of sexualization makes me cry, because the entire point of her character is that her sexualization gets her into trouble. Snow White is the only example of happy housewivery while the other princesses who do cleaning are slaves. Megara, Ariel, Pocahontas, and FLORA all saved the respective hero of the film at least once. I'm not trying to excuse all of Disney's screwups, but this is incredibly misinformed.
JaceyDemy 1 year ago
That is not a dig at houswewives but a dig at the illusion of universally happy-making and effortless housewifery. Everyone who is a housewife or knows a housewife can probably tell you how exhausting it can become (not to mention the enormous economic disadvantages you will have after your husband gets the idea to leave you after 10+ years) and Disney just glosses over this, effectively seling to young girls the idea that staying at home has no downsides.
blackfoxlady 1 year ago
@blackfoxlady "Staying at home has no downsides," like Cinderella had the awesome perk of having her clothes torn off by a pair of gold-diggers, Snow White was rewarded for her work with an assassination plot, and Aurora's housewivery paid off by her living in exile?
JaceyDemy 1 year ago
@JaceyDemy Well, you must prove that these negative actions are a direct result of the female character doing housework and not fabricate a connection out of thin air because it suits you. Cinderella was targeted because her stepmother and stepsisters wanted to have the power in the family- the housework she had to do was a direct way of punishing her. Snow White was targeted by the Queen because the queen was jealous of her beauty, not because of housework.
blackfoxlady 1 year ago
@JaceyDemy And Aurora, the sleeping beauty, was the victim of the evil fairy, again NO connection to housework. (Well, I can't remember exactly why she cursed Aurora, in the original fairytale that I was told as a kid, the evil fairy was furious that the sleeping beauty's parents hadn't invited her.)
blackfoxlady 1 year ago
@JaceyDemy Okay, serial posting. I was also not saying that Disney is portraying housework as effortless ALL THE TIME, I was trying to explain Prof. Dines' point of view as not being anti-housewife.
blackfoxlady 1 year ago
go ahead and STAAAARRR
soothingecho17 1 year ago
3:54, masonic devil horns hand symbol. Disney goes way deeper than the surface image it upholds...
jbuugi 1 year ago
With crap like the jersey shore on mtv...I think we have more to worry about than CARTOON movies.....
Delvus85 1 year ago 26
@Delvus85
Hahaha. Good one.
ThisOneRocks 10 months ago
@Delvus85 I don't think that your getting the point. Disney rules the world, jersey shore does not. Jersey shore does not reach the younger audience (0-5) when the child is most susceptible to "outside molding". At least here you recognize Jersey Shore as a threat, where cartoons are not immediately recognized. Particularly, I am more afraid of the person who is hiding the knife, and not the one who has it exposed.
rhcp27la 10 months ago
@Delvus85
Best to educate your kids young. And older person watching jersey shore can call it crap and know it's dumb to those sort of things. Kid's can't yet.
vampiricange 6 months ago
@Delvus85 There are LOTS of things to worry about, not just jersey shore or disney movies. Don't ignore the little problems either, they hold strong affects than one may think. Why you think lots of girls like twilight? It has that "He's a beast, but stay with him you can teach him love" influence.
GENEFGMK 5 months ago 12
@GENEFGMK and those fags wear makeup
megakirbymon 2 months ago
@GENEFGMK actually that influence is in no way present in the twilight series. yes Edward Cullen is a vampire but he needs NO teaching about love from anyone. He is presented as chivalrous and courteous to Bella and actually never mistreats her at all. She is the one with the human flaws ie. being caught between Jacob and Edward, irrationality, mistrust, pressuring him into pre-marital sex when he doesn't want to. Edward is very near-perfect as a loving partner. nothing wrong with that
VeronaSuicide 4 weeks ago
@VeronaSuicide he does kind of abuse her...and please don't be mislead by my username. It's an old account. *not a Twilight fan anymore*
edwardcullenismybf 2 weeks ago
OMG do these people not realize that Snow White was made in 1937!!! yes in that time many woman WERE housewives!!!! the women's movement didnt start till after the fiftys!! and what's so wrong with staying home and cleaning??? many women love to stay home with their children and tend to their home. i love how these people praise areil when she talks back to her dad, saying it shows that she is a powerful woman. WTF? these people have seen these movies way too much
PinkIce102 1 year ago
the feminist crap is all bullshit. Im living proof that it doesnt affect female sexuality at all. i am as tomboy as it gets and i was (still is) a huge disney princess fan. The characters are based on what society is. Why dont we talk about the man steryotypes too "Oh poor boys think they have to be a tough hero and take care of girls, suhc a burden on these young men." It goes both ways.
People need to calm down. kids dont notice shit.
blueandyellowguitar 1 year ago
@blue&yellow - Its awesome that you have your personal shit together, but the stats for things like eating disorders in this country dont lie. Girls as a group are shaped by these messages, even if you personally have been able to shrug them off. Honestly, YOU should be out there telling women how its done. Youre a model of success if youve avoided falling into this stuff. Kids DONT notice shit, and thats the problem. They need to be told they can be anything. Disney doesnt do that for them.
Sully64ify 1 year ago
@Sully64ify
Its not only disney though, thats pointing fingers. In fact its mostly stupid magazines and tv thats bringing people down. Cartoons have always been stereotypical.
either way. i dont care. i love animation.
blueandyellowguitar 1 year ago
@blue&yellow - Its definitely not only Disney, and ALL those who do it should be held to a higher standard. But Mickey's the biggest; he collects the most profits by far. That alone should make DisneyCorp most accountable. I agree TV and mags that limit people should also be held accountable ... but then again Disney has a huge presence on TV and in publishing.
I love animation, too, but that doesnt mean it cant be made better. See Shrek for starters. Theres a smash hit with an anti-princess.
Sully64ify 1 year ago
Messages in media is a bi-product of the culture that was already set in place by other things like, oh, human nature. You think it was disney that created the image of a seductive female or a mean antagonist?
SnakesAndWorms 1 year ago
This is considerably flawed; valid arguments come beneath a couple layers of overanalysis, and I am known to praise media analysts. They could've given the other side a chance to speak, but they unfortunately didn't. The main problems with Disney are easily their shit labor conditions overseas, the declining quality of their work these days, their ability to shape the public's opinion in that of their own, and their inability to be as adventurous as they once were.
oHelmslyo 1 year ago
These women are impossible to please. They keep saying how Disney portrays women as weak yet when Jasmin tries to be heroic and tricks Jafar they claim that she's seducing him.
In movies like Pocahontas, the little mermaid and Mulan the female characters are far from being weak and helpless and are the main protagonists.
Even if women are portrayed as feminine there is nothing wrong with that. I mean its not like every female character should be a tomboy.
I mean what do they want?
ronimacarroni 1 year ago
@ronimacarroni - You're making exactly the point the show is making. When women have "strength," it is predicated on traditional stereotypes of women. A woman influences men through her power to deceive and/or her physical beauty, not her intellect, physical strength, or show of honor & integrity. You can see the same thing in 40s film noir, just as you can see the same in with Eve in Milton's "Paradise Lost."
And no one has said "every female character should be a tomboy." That's a strawman
Sully64ify 1 year ago
@ronimacarroni
Full well written rich female characters that don't fit a stereotype or a trope. If it does have a stereotype or trope there has to be a real reason behind it to help the story progress. Also girls don't have to always end up falling in love either.
vampiricange 6 months ago
ah. reminds me of my ex
SCordeliaB 1 year ago
Fuck the feminists in this documentary.
ak34809723 1 year ago
The thing that people need to realize is that Disney isn't trying to harm the minds of children or whatever they think they're doing. These are fairytales! Fairytales! They're meant to entertain and inspire. I mean, would they rather have "happily ever after" or "ariel dies and turns into sea foam; mulan never wins the war; and all the other unhappy endings that were originally intended for these stories?
brisadiva9 1 year ago
@brisadiva9 - Why not have the original endings? Just as "Disney isn't trying to harm the minds of children," neither were the Brothers Grimm. All were trying to inculcate a cultural paradigm. The question then becomes: How do we want our children shaped? Into what do we want them shaped?
Is teaching a child that some stories have unhappy endings "harming her mind"? Is repeatedly showing her the same models of feminity and childhood good for her mind? IMO those questions are worth asking.
Sully64ify 1 year ago
@Sully64ify I guess, but I'd rather wait until I'm older to learn of the original , more greusome endings, that way I'll have some hope in my mind that happily ever after can exist, also while learning gradually that you don't always get what you wish for.
brisadiva9 1 year ago
@brisadiva9 - I understand the idea of waiting, but I think that's where good parenting comes in. Let the PARENTS decide to what degree they want to expose their children to "gruesome" or more realistic endings. The problem as I see it is that Disney offers no choice in the matter. Women are always portrayed in the same way, offering the same vision. It wouldn't harm DisneyCorp to diversify what it offers the public. Look at Shrek. The movie made a fortune and Fiona was NOT a Disney stereotype
Sully64ify 1 year ago
Hey I own a version of bambi that has a documentary about the film and they used live animals for their representation. I've noticed rabbits in my back yard, the female does look smaller and fluffier. It's a duster not a broom in beauty and the beast and Belle isn't coquetish, she's the odd person and she rescues the beast in the end. Alot of the films they are talking about are fairy tales, not even close to their orgional counter part and their origional purpose was to scare children.
actheaterstudent 1 year ago
If disney takes this down because of copyright or some shit like that, I swear to god...
universallogin1290 1 year ago
I don't know why the person who put this video up thinks the commentary on Snow white is a dig at housewifery. That scene from Snow white is frankly ridiculous. It suggests that women are natural home makers and they just love to cook and clean. Even housewives don't enjoy cleaning. It's a chore, not a passion. That's all the woman commenting on the scene was trying to say.
CanadianQueer 1 year ago 12
@CanadianQueer
lol it's fucking snow white, don't be a hater
bloggerben 10 months ago
@bloggerben So what if it's Snow White? Disney isn't above criticism.
CanadianQueer 10 months ago
OMG. these are cartoons. Disney has been around for 50 plus years and woman have only grown stronger, better educated, more secure and have smashed through the glass ceiling at just about every level. these people need to get a life.
patricmykel 1 year ago
@patricmykel All these things are true, but no thanks to Disney. That came from questioning institutions like Disney that only show narrow images of women.
CanadianQueer 1 year ago 2
co-sign with Beauty and the Beast. If that was real life Beast is a very abusive boyfriend, people always ask abused women why they stay. Well they feel that they can change him, think about it.
co-sign with Jasmine being all sexual and stuff creeped me out when I was a child. LOL
Mulan not so bad in my opinion, the grandmother is old and you know it was back in her day. She saves the day and gets the guy not so bad
Kids pick up on these thing from a early age, these things are learned
MizzDiamonds 1 year ago
@MizzDiamonds Disney mind fucks us all. I work in welfare now and they always relate back to watching disney when they where younger. I have helped children that have said they got there sexuality from Disney movies, hatred 4 there stepmothers, hatred for race and preference 4 men. One of my girls once said to me that she stayed with her abusive boyfriend because she knew deep down inside he was just misunderstood & could be charming sound familiar...
menjiii01 1 year ago
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kieraap 1 year ago
I would like to explain further what Gail Dines is saying around 7:00. She is not saying that women should now hate being housewives or that cooking and cleaning are bad. She is merely saying that the image portrayed is that women should be isolated and only caring for the house because that is the role they need to fill. We see these images as young girls and accept that fact that we should be happy to clean and cook and be happy talking to no one at home.
kieraap 1 year ago 3
there are women who like to be married
spoogerification 1 year ago
i am not a feminist i am a humanist. everyone is equal so immediately i have a problem with some of these arguments. these are stories based on fables and legends hundreds even thousands of years old. but the point is it is fantasy! the human mind is a flame to be kindled not a vessel to be filled and i do not believe that this is causing any damage in the long run once children see the difference between a movie and real life.
elilichtenberg 1 year ago 2
7:00 really bothered me. So, they're saying they want little girls to grow up and be all pouty and grumpy when they clean? I don't see a HUGE problem in her being happy with cleaning.
fivefamly 1 year ago
there are women in some countries who are getting treated worse than garbage and thier only rights are to basically to get raped and sold into sex slavery, and this needs to stop, yet the feminists are too busy crying about cartoon characters who have long hair and big boobs to do anything about these unfortunate women. makes me sick.
vitaminanime 1 year ago 2
Snow white is happy cuz shes got 30 animal friends doing 3 days of work for her in a few minutes and doesnt have to do barley anything.
miyalana 1 year ago
"Snow white enjoys cooking, and cleaning and friends with the animals and its so unrealistic.," ITS A FICTION MOVIE!!!!!!!! MY GOSH! Do these people think theres really mermaids swimming around and fairy god mothers and all that?
fivefamly 1 year ago
this makes some good points.. but when it comes to "Beauty and The Beast" doesnt Belle find this creature whos a monster inside and out, and teach him that through love he can remember his past inner beauty?
hairypolack 1 year ago
This has been an ongoing debate for many years. Disney is not the only guilty corporation who perpetuates the 50's male/female gender roles, nor are they personally responsible for their existence in the first place. Solving the problem means attacking the problem at the root, which will involve a national and maybe even global shift in thinking about women (if that is possible given the diverse nature of the world). Remember, these images start @ home. Parents can diffuse the stereotypes.
Rockbass1984 1 year ago
Some good points, but also with quite a few outright conspiratory claims that sort of take the base off thri arguments.
buua19 1 year ago
i dont even think it is DISNEY. I think the media culture and society that we live in has some what taken control/ influnece over DISNEY.
somewhereoutthere007 1 year ago
@somewhereoutthere007 continued DISNEY is trying to protect it's name..because the MEDIA! seems to like to warp things...and take away the REAL messages. AND try to replace them with what the MEDIAS image is.
somewhereoutthere007 1 year ago
@somewhereoutthere007 continued again.......And theen you get all these subliminal messages put in DISNEYS work. And conspiracies. it has nothing to do with the artists. it has everything to do with social media. We all need something to blame...why not DISNEY. NO! WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR SOCIETY AND MEDIA CULTURE. IT EVOLVED. THINGS CHANGE
somewhereoutthere007 1 year ago
@somewhereoutthere007 continued again...(keep followin)AND it's not always gonna be good...but as long as we truly know whats good for us, and whats best for our children. then isn't that what we should be focused on enough of this us us us...what about the kids!!! They are gonna grow up and learn all about this.
somewhereoutthere007 1 year ago
@somewhereoutthere007 FINALLY
And they are gonna formulate their opinions...and point their own fingers. PEOPLE...i believe that it is not ALLL DISNEY. YES they have a crucial part. BUT i think with ever cooperation/ multimedia they can turn it around. WE HAVE TO CARE. ALL THIS APATHY IS RIDICULOUS! GET INVOLVED!
somewhereoutthere007 1 year ago
10:20 yeeeah that scene always freaked me out as a kid too
Tomass2010ll 1 year ago
Okay, my last comment. Ever saw The Secret of N.I.M.H.? In the book, the film is based on, the males do "the rescue" in the end. The movie turns that around, so that the female is the heroine and does most of the work. And the film was directed by an ex-Disney animator!
NotOrdinaryInGames 1 year ago
So, don't let Disney tell children what to believe in, [insert group here] must tell that to children!
You see, whoever is educating children, (at least partially) shapes their belief system. If you are a parent, what makes you think you are being subjective? Huh? HUH???
NotOrdinaryInGames 1 year ago
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(I am joking)
Feminism is about a bright new world, where women would be indistinguishable from men, have no breast/waist, be hairy(everywhere) and overall looking like caveMEN.
NotOrdinaryInGames 1 year ago
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NotOrdinaryInGames 1 year ago
(I am joking)
Feminism is about a happier future where women will be absolutely undistinguishable from men, have no breasts or waist, be hairy (everywhere) and in overall look like a caveMAN.
NotOrdinaryInGames 1 year ago
No no no no no, we should just watch less television. What? "Let's shape the media the way we want it and let it control us"? No wai!!~!! What we should do is to have more competition in the TV industry, with many companies producing different things, telling different stories (so we could choose what to watch). Or just shut the bloody box off.
NotOrdinaryInGames 1 year ago
So women cant be beautiful in cartoons?
RussianBOIIII 2 years ago
Yes they can but they can have an individuality and strength. It makes us think that only the beautiful women can be the heroes or that they have to be the oh so damsel in distress
MsBeatlesfan1964 1 year ago
I don't think the remark about housewifery is "totally unfair," I think it was poorly worded. I understand that cooking, cleaning, and raising children can be very fulfilling if that's what you like to do (man or woman). However, in our current society most women either want to have careers or are forced to work out of necessity, so for them enjoying cooking and cleaning is probably difficult since they have so much else to do, yet they're expected to do it anyway (while men aren't - as much).
bday121 2 years ago
Yep I see this.... I have many friends that are dads that are stay home while their wife is the bread winner. Hell I would love to stay home. Disney is a drug its hard to wean yourself away from its glamor.
oddsource 2 years ago 2
Have any of you here watching this most interesting "documentary" on the evils of Disney, while some of them are somewhat true, the section on women and how Disney portrays them. Has anyone noticed how unqualified these woman protesting with their "logical" reasoning, how unfeminine any of the 3+ women are?????! Take another look if you don't see a pattern with the commentators on the subject.
MondoVideos 2 years ago
Excuse me, what? Ok, some of this I understand. But that little crack at housewives they made around 7:00... "It makes no sense today" that some women actually enjoy cooking and cleaning?!? WTF?!? I LOVE to cook, knit, crochet... traditional "female" activities... but I also enjoy video games, playing basketball, and having a few drinks with my guy friends. Just because you enjoy traditionally female activities DOES NOT mean you are not a strong female!!!
TheVampiressLisa 2 years ago
08:11
Sounds a heck of a lot like after World War II in the UK!
Is life imitating art or is it the other way around?...
LegalAlien100 2 years ago
OMG THIS IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS BUNCH OF BULLCRAP I HAVE EVER HEARD!!! I really jsut want to punch these "experts". Disney didn't make these movies to teach girls to be weak and dumb and men to be the heroes... they made beautiful stories that FIT THE TIME IN WHICH THEY WERE SET!! (Might I also point out how almost all these "experts" are women!? Like someone else above pointed out, the beast yells at Belle bcause he is just that.. A BEAST! Thats a main point of the movie..these ppl r so stupid
mandalf0688 2 years ago 3
I see some of the things she is saying but a lot of it just sounds like she is looking for any reason to tear it down. She says the little mermaid must seduce him with juer her body, but she doesn't mention that the only thing he needed was her voice. And she talks about the end of Mulan as if falling in love is anti-feminist...
quitejaded 2 years ago
You're actually proving how sexist you are by saying "Might I also point out how almost all these "experts" are women!? "
What, exactly, makes a woman's opinion/statements invalid? If men were saying these things would you take it more seriously? Why?
And, also, people with a PhD are considered "experts," that's the term used. Just because you disagree with them that doesn't mean aren't edcuated on their subject.
bday121 2 years ago
lumiere goes after a duster... not a broom!! and how else are they supposed differentiate between males and females if they do not put lashes and other "overly" feminine features on animals and other non-human objects??
sarasmile131 2 years ago
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Great video. Thank you very much for posting.
Dr Gail Dines is very informed and clear. She is right. As consumers we could be far more discerning and demanding about what we expect.
Rather than being passive sheep that just consume the constructs that are sold to us.
explorer2101 2 years ago
SHIT!!! I just figured it out! Gauston is a mimbo.
Knoss 2 years ago
the beast yells at belle because he's a beast! they wouldn't have made his character a beast on the outside if he wasn't rude and selfish...it really says nothing about gender roles, that's just what the character is meant to be...and note how all the "experts" are female (except henry giroux, but he didn't comment on the male-female relationships)
rberryw16 2 years ago
The issue with body language is missing an important point. These are cartoons and as such they depend on caricature. Beauty and the Beast for instance has a variety of characters Maurice is short and fat with a thick mustache, while Gauston is ruggedly handsome with a steroid build to match his lack of consideration. The flighty blondes are overly sexualized, but Belle is idolized in a to the point of becoming a charicature in itself.
Knoss 2 years ago
7:01 "It's makes no sense today"
WELL DUUH! Of course it makes no sense because you're delibrately using a modern concept (feminism) on a cartoon set in the 30s. Talk about knocking down straw men!
cupofcustard 2 years ago
Zomg it's Daphne from Frasier!
cupofcustard 2 years ago
also what they dont say is even though the beast is yelling, belle still stands up to him. they also don't say how all these female heroines. Even in 59' with Princess Aurora she does not want to be what society has planned for her.
punkfairy53 2 years ago
what i hate is the part that it says, "One of the themes seen repeatedly in Disneys movies that however strong or powerful a female character may be she still needs to be rescued by a male. In the world of Disney females not only get in trouble easily they also lack the abilitiy to save their own lives. This is true in films of even the 80s and 90s".... what they are leaving out is... in the original stories all the female characters need saving.
punkfairy53 2 years ago
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These people are acting like these gender stereotypes are new and created by Disney. Honestly, Disney really is just trying to entertain and make money, not create some evil world of their design because they want children to be misogynistic. They ARE reflecting society, because they are deliberately showing people what they want to see, so that they can make money. If you don't like your kids to watch Disney, then don't let them. Although they will be missing out, it's a lot of fun to watch.
hosposits 2 years ago
I agree totally. Feminists all banging on about womans representation. It's only the ugly as fuck ones that complain about woman's portrayal, all the attractive woman couldn't care less and enjoy being desirable. Who wants to watch a fantasy movie portraying characters as they are in real life? I want hot women, strong men and violence!!!
speckyprick 2 years ago
Have you ever seen Gloria Steinem? She's old now, but she's been a leading feminist for a very long time and she was, indeed, pretty hot.
And by the way, why does a woman's attractiveness contribute to her intellectual respectability? It takes a LONG time to get a PhD, and by the time you're old enough to have gotten that and enough experience to be in a documentary, I'd bet you'd be pretty old and ugly too.
bday121 2 years ago
There are positive aspects to Disney movies too. Jasmine was using Jafar's misogyny to manipulate him, and he is held up as an example of a bad person, someone you do not want to be with, because he responds positively to a woman who is acting powerless. It sends a message to young boys that "bad guys" want a subserviant woman. Aladdin, the hero, fell in love with Jasmine when she was disguised as a peasant, and covering most of her body for the sake of independence & anonymity , not modesty.
kismetprismatism 2 years ago 5
fromkhadija, I think you might have got it wrong. It seems to me that the point of 7:01 is to make a parallel between how Disney gives in - a little but not too much - to appear rebellious and empowering, IMHO.
HistorienneDeLis 2 years ago
Yeah I get the gender roles, if you have a little sister who loves disney you'd know.
megapenguinmafia 2 years ago 2
An excellent series.
Parents are often too busy to spend much time with their children, teaching ethics, morals etc through normal interaction and play - as was the case a couple of generations ago.
Children sit down in front of TV and films, where they get most of their 'programming', watching Disney movies often hundreds of times over.
Should we not be interested in the life messages we are giving our children with this form of education?
explorer2101 2 years ago
Parents spend more time with their children than they did 40 years ago.
Knoss 2 years ago
I was a child 40 years ago &can tell you that is not accurate.
Women did not work whilst their children were young &were at home all day. They walked their children to school &back. Like most children I went home for lunch until I was 11 yrs old.
Children did not attend school till 5 yrs old.
Mothers met their children from school @ 3.15pm. There were very few after-school activities.
Mothers had far more time than they do today. Fathers worked less hours.
So what informs your statement?
explorer2101 2 years ago 4
@explorer2101 Are you implying that women should stay at home and raise their children? This is a horrible stereotype and treating women as baby factories is wrong. Women have the right to have a career, do what they want with their life and they should not be feel bad for not having children, just because society is trying to force it on them. Invent a time machine and go back to the 50s if you don't like it!!!
annybg 1 year ago
@annybg
And why don't you think before you rant?
People should have a free choice to do as they wish, as we are indeed not identical
However, for many these days it is not so much a choice as to whether both parents work - it is a necessity. Society has been deliberately engineered so that both partners are often kept working far too many hours & too hard to have much left to offer to their children in terms of quality attention
This suits the ruling oligarchs, not the majority of people
explorer2101 1 year ago
@explorer2101 yes, and all you mentioned in your previous comment is mothers, who are staying at home and fathers that weren't working "as much". Still is sexist, no matter what you say. Yes, the corporate machine is cruel, however, everyone is given a choice. You don't need to be a part of it. And don't give me that bullshit about parents having to earn money for their children, because that is something they should think about before having children.
annybg 1 year ago
@annybg Just like a typical "modern feminist thinking woman" you missed the point!
Amocee 1 year ago
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annybg 1 year ago
@Amocee as expected from a know-it-all religious man.
annybg 1 year ago
@annybg I'm far from religious and never ever will I take on the responsibility as a "know-it-all." Checked out your profile and if that is really you...your cute... but your comments appear to make you seem ugly.
Amocee 1 year ago
@Knoss
Also, there were no videos. Children's TV was only on for a few hours a day. So the pattern of sitting children down in front of the TV or video as a distraction at any time of day just did not occur.
Fathers were usually home by 5.30pm each evening.
Most young people I know today have to both work to make ends meet. Their children go to childminders from babies -and to play-schools from 2yrs old.
Working hrs, whilst officially shorter, have in reality got much longer.
explorer2101 2 years ago
im glad you pointed out the "dig at housweifery", totally uncalled for.
laydeebug86 2 years ago
the person who made this documentery clearly doesn't know the difference between cartoons and reality. there's a difference for a reason, it's to entertain the masses. cartoons are suppose to be different from reality.
zitalee2 2 years ago