haiku r1 alpha1

[judgen]

Is the 7950 card still accelerated inhaiku or have they trashed that code for recent images?

[Buzzerifier]

You what makes this video worthless ? You did not even bother to cut off the sound. But what you are doing now I was doing it with BeOS. So nothing new.

[skypeia80]

yes with beos but not with windows nor linux....beos was good but it is dead, haiku is the reborn of beos

[aMoreno16]

hey does flash or gnash work on haiku?

[skypeia80]

gnash only

[vbobkovsky]

That is what I've waiting for, Haiku demo on ION hardware! Thank you sir, thank you SIR! Nice!!!

[cusbrar1]

without 3d acelleration it is no different than any other Atom 330

[TheKaneB]

Ho provato a fare un test con il mio computer portatile Samsung Q210:

Fluidissimo con 3 video, al quarto perdeva qualche frame. La Cpu era occupata mediamente all'80-85%, quindi credo che il collo di bottiglia sia l'HD poco prestante.

4 video in FullHD 1920x1080 MPEG-4 a 24fps, audio AC3 5.1

OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium 32Bit (Aero attivato)

CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo P7350 2,0GHz

RAM: DDR2 3 GB

VGA: nVidia GeForce 9200M GS 256MB (driver ver. 176.24)

HDD: Samsung 4200 rpm 160GB

[amdnovello]

bellissimo!!! ma è completamente indipendente da unix o bsd?

cmq metti le specifiche hw nella descrizione così è meglio

[skypeia80]

si è basato su newos un microkernel opensource scritto da uno degli ingegneri Be

effettivamente non incorpora codice nè di linux nè bsd nè beos e non è basato sulla classica architettura unix

[amdnovello]

figo

[skypeia80]

ed è molto cresciuto nell'ultimo anno

pensa che l'anno scorso sembrava quasi che ci sarebbero voluti altri 20 anni per cominciare a vedere qualcosa di funzionante

speriamo che la alpha1 diano ad haiku un pò di pubblicità e attirino programmatori, così si velocizza lo sviluppo e magari in un annetto o due si avrà la prima release

[amdnovello]

sperem. magari avrà + supporto di linux

[ParanoidOfSteel]

mortacci!!!!

[shaurz]

In conclusion, Linux and X11 is a bunch of crap and the Haiku programmers are Gods Among Men.

[skypeia80]

no linux suffers because of x11 obsolete architecture

haiku is based on an OS ( beos ) designed to be realtime, responsive, massively multithreaded

we will see serious improvements in linux in the next 1-2 years, because of kms, gallium and other technologies that are designed to modernize the linux stack

p.s. I'm a linux programmer and user ;)

[hal970fx]

@shaurz

Actually Linux and X.org are just fine, idiot developers need to stop using XLib and use XCB instead.

[proges]

appena sarà completato lo stack wi-fi fra un paio di mesi lo piazzo fisso sul portatilino ^^

[xenonbyte]

wtf are you eating??

[Arkngthunchsturdumz]

Veramente molto interessante, Haiku è un progetto da tenere sott'occhio. Grazie per il video!

[skypeia80]

speriamo che questo video serva ad attrarre sviluppatori ;)

[wafuf14]

/r/ can you dual boot it with windows?

also your computer specs please

[skypeia80]

yes, you can use grub as a boot manager to dual boot with windows

the computer specs are: Zotac Ion with Atom 330 dual core, 2 GB of ram, 250 GB WD Scorpio black hard disk

[spaceball2k]

Great video! Haiku is amazing!

[skypeia80]

thanks, I wanted to play more videos ( there was a 20% cpu time free ), but the 1280x1024 is not so big :D

it is sad that haiku doesn't have all the attentions linux have

[mlanovoy]

Haiku will die just like Be OS which is haiku's "father" died. Its not about OS, it's about application that available. Thats why Windows dominate so much and Haiku won't be able to compete with Linux, at least because there is tons of hardware with closed drivers and hardware devs won't give a flying jack about OS such as Haiku.

It's a "reality".

[skypeia80]

the same has been said for the last 8 years, but now we have the alpha 1

oh and there are a lot of people that say that linux will die too, but in my everyday work I use linux, so I think it will not die soon :D

[mlanovoy]

Since when Atom 330 has 4 cores?

[skypeia80]

2 cores + hyperthreading = 4 logical cores

linux says 4, haiku says 4, windows says 4, you are the only one to say 2

[mlanovoy]

ok, so what exactly it shows? Playing 7 videos at once? You gonna be watching 7 videos at once? Get real. Show REAL tasks. Show 1080p HD movie, ect.

[skypeia80]

if you send me a 1080p movie I will try :D

this test demonstrates that haiku has a lot of horsepower under the hood

if haiku is able to play 7 sd videos at once it will be able to play a single hd video without problems

and all this on processor only, because haiku doesn't have gpu acceleration

[mlanovoy]

That's a false logic. Playing 7 low definition/low compression movies is not same as playing one full hd with high compression.

Also mind showing at least one youtube video playing on Haiku? ;)

[skypeia80]

it depends from the computational resources required by the 1080p video

and remember that with modern graphics cards, all the decoding mambo jumbo is made by the graphic card itself

haiku works on cpu only, and it works damn well on low power cpus like atom

are you able to play the same 7 videos with windows?

[mlanovoy]

No, by far not all. Otherwise it wouldn't load CPU at all, which is not a case.

Haiku works damn slow if you compare UI responsiveness to, say, XP. I can literaly see how Haiku redraws menus and window parts when resizing on my netbook with Atom processor and Intel integrated card.

[skypeia80]

What do you mean by load cpu??? Every software loads the cpu and haiku ( in this test ) loads the cpu at 80% because it has to do all drawing and decoding stuff in the cpu.

I you add to it a good nvidia driver, the cpu load will decrease dramatically.

As regards your hardware, are you sure it hasn't problems? I'm using haiku on a zotac ion and I don't see the redraws, nor I have problems resizing or moving windows. It is all smooth and blazingly fast.

[mlanovoy]

Reading comprehension skills?

It was answer to your "and remember that with modern graphics cards, all the decoding mambo jumbo is made by the graphic card itself". Videocards (usual, like gaming cards of nVidia and AMD) doesn't provide full hardware decoding of H.264 Besides, Windows has much more excellent DirectX which is used to accelerate UI and text (DirectWrite) drawing performance in Windows 7.

I have no problems with hardware as Windows XP works perfectly fine on this netbook.

[skypeia80]

you're wrong

a lot of codecs use the gpu to decode h.264, also software like mpc make heavy use of the cpu

I don't know if vlc do this, but I'm certain that under linux it uses vdpau to accelerate video decoding

also, with a proper driver, it is the gpu that has reponsability over desktop drawing and other graphics stuff

haiku doesn't have all this, it uses the framebuffer and it must do all the graphics things in the cpu, so it has a disadvantage in respect to others OSes

[paleblondegoddez]

And yet despite Haiku's handicaps on the hardware front the OS puts all desktop OS's to shame.

With further development Haiku will own the media desktop just like BeOS did in it's day. At least this time the development can't be killed like BeOS was. Would advise all who can to contribute in what ever way they can, money, code other support.

[skypeia80]

you're right, the actual Haiku has very poor performance compared to what it can be

no gpu acceleration and no optimizations, yet it surpasses all the 3 mainstream OSes

[mlanovoy]

uh, whats special about playing 7 videos at once? Any present day OS on present day hardware can do that, even 720p for top PCs isn't an issue.

Another dead-born OS... Would be better if they concentrated efforts on improving Linux graphical subsystem. Seriously...

[skypeia80]

yes but haiku make this on an atom 330 with the vesa drivers, not on a core i7 920 overclocked at 4 ghz

I tried the same test with linux and nvidia drivers and linux is able to play at maximum 4 videos without problems

I have not tried windows, because this os is simply garbage, bloated and malformed