If there are beautiful and theologically rich songs that you cannot put your heart into, then, instead of throwing it out as a child of modern consumerism, maybe you should reorient your own mind and understanding. If you can't sing "Immortal, Invisible, God Only Wise" because you can't get into it, then you need to change yourself, not the song.
She is being polite, she is not going to say she doesn't want to sing the songs because they are faithless although she is clearly implying this. Instead she is diplomatic and says she cannot get into them. I think part of the problem is that Christians are generally more accustomed to judgmental than to Diplomatic language
this is so true! speaking from personal experience, God blesses me and shows me His love so much when i've thrown my troubles aside and just worshiped Him
It's good to sing songs that you aren't full into yet - just like with anyone who is in the congregation - sometimes you sing to let the music minister TO you....and once you've done that, you'd be surprised at how many songs you could worship to that you didn't think you could before.
i really like this...we have such a strong tendency to be self centered in our thoughts...worship is not and cannot be about self...it is about Jesus, the author of peace, righteousness, and truth <3
so true! I dont want to sing about myself I want to sing about how awesome god is, to god! thats why its worship! and when you do that the sorrow and sadness you feel goes away and becomes replaced with joyfulness =)
@DarkStageFilms The fact that you sing music to a melody doesn't change the fact that singing is speaking. I personally don't go around saying things I don't believe in.
These are not rules, their "principles" and their principles for worship leading, not worshiping. Worship leading is a MINISTRY and you must realize that there will be principles within ministry.
well for petes sake! lol aww man i love her lol Totally agree with her. Its all about God and not wallowing in your sorrows. Once you start praising all your cares fall by the way side
I HAVE ABSOLUTE TRUST AND RESPECT FOR KIM WALKER AND ANYTHING SHE SAYS IN MIND I ACCEPT WHOLE HEARTEDLY! SHE IS AN AMAZING GODLY PERSON AND WORSHIP LEADER OF THE HIGHEST QUALITY!
I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT OF COURSE ALL SONGS SHOULD BE EXALTING THE LORD ABOVE ALL ELSE, INCLUDING OUR OWN TEMPORARY TRIALS, I AGREE WITH THAT. BUT THERE ARE SONGS THAT EXALT THE LORD THAT ARE NOT RIGHT FOR THE CHURCH DUE TO HOW ITS PLAYED, THE TEMPO, THE MELODY, HOW ITS SUNG..ETC. AND THAT IS WERE SELF, (WHERE MUSICIANS AND SINGERS ARE CONCERNED) HAS TO BE PUT ASIDE FOR THE GOOD OF THE BODY.
I EVEN HAVE TO SAY THAT THE WAY A SONG IS SUNG HAS AN IMPACT. FOR EXAMPLE IF THEIR IS TOO MUCH AD LIBBING OR LETS JUST CALL IT "FANCY STUFF" IT TOTALLY KILLS THE MOMENT BECAUSE ITS MORE DISTRACTING THAN ANYTHING. ITS IMPORTANT TO FIT THE SONG AND THE SINGING TO THE CHURCH. ITS IMPORATANT THAT THEY CONNECT WITH GOD. OVER SINGING AND THE WRONG SONG IS NO GOOD FOR THE WORSHIPPERS.
CANT AGREE WITH THIS. CHOOSING SONGS SHOULD BE ABOUT THE PEOPLE BEING SERVED NOT THE SINGER OR THE MUSICIAN. YOU KNOW YOU HAVE MADE A RIGHT CHOICE WHEN YOU LOOK OUT AND THE CHURCH IS SINGING IT WITH ALL THEIR HEARTS, YOU KNOW IT IS RIGHT WHEN THEY ACTIVELY PARTICIPATE. MY HUSBAND LEADS WORSHIP IN OUR CHURCH, HIS DAD IS THE PASTOR HE GREW UP IN THE CHURCH, HE CAN HEAR A SONG AND KNOW ITS A CHURCH SONG, A SONG FOR OUR CHURCH ANYWAY. ITS NOT ABOUT WHAT HE LIKES...ITS ABOUT WHAT FITS THE CHURCH.
I remember last year on a mission trip my youth group went on to Kansas City, Missouri, we went to the International House of Worship one night and we ended up leaving really early because several of the songs they sang were just like what Kim was talking about. They were songs that we didn't agree with and that had some weird lyrics in them and my youth pastor just didn't like it. We wanted to stay and just pray because God's presence definitely was there, but we also had to honor our pastor.
SuperJeremiah, may I suggest you watch her in worship? Watch the power of her songs. My opinion is this woman is absolutely following God's plan for her life and bringing people to Christ. She's not an elder in the church or the lead pastor! As far as being too young, please study David.
Finally, and I'm not wishing to be rude, personal, or critical, but am I the only one whose cringe gland starts to operate when modern young females employ a rising inflection at the end of every phrase, whether it's an interrogative or not? I'm sorry but I think it makes a nonsense of the English language and we should all make an effort to train ourselves not to do it and resist the encroachment of this vocal affectation before it becomes universal. Or is it just me being a grump?
Second, the whole problem is that she is too young and the wrong gender to be teaching and preaching to a mixed audience, it's out of God's divine order and spiritually dangerous. And third, the concept of 'worship leader' is unscriptural even if you are old enough and of the right gender! Lead worshipper maybe, lead singer certainly, chief musician if you have one...nor are we on a 'stage' (though some behave as if they were) it's a 'platform' - there is a difference, words matter.
@SuperJeremiah333 you complain about how she is called a 'worship leader'. but you have to realize that music in ancient israel is completely different from modern western music. we can't expect our worship services to have the same order, because American music style is just a different thought process than ancient middle-eastern. to put it short, it's really important musically to have a central leading figure in our modern points of view on music, when it wasn't as important in those times.
@MrGameboynate Thanks for that, but the post of chief musician (lead worshipper) is very Biblical and was standard practice in ancient Israel. I haven't said we don't need someone to lead worship, but Scripture, particularly the New Testament, prohibits women from taking leadership responsibilities in mixed congregations. The only instance in the Bible of a woman leading worship was when Miriam led the women in worship, but the chief musician always was, and must always be, a man. God bless.
@SuperJeremiah333 You are very biased and sexist against women. No where in the Bible does it say that women can't lead worship, and if women do have that calling to lead worship like Kim does then they should be leading worship and being the chief musician. In my own youth group the chief musician is a woman and she is very talented and every time the Presence of God is amazing!
First there's a difference between honesty, which is imperative, and negative confession, which may be what she's talking about, but she doesn't make that distinction. You only have to read Psalm 13 to see it. People don't seem to want to lament and repent anymore, but to be swept away by a tide of rejoicing at all costs, but as a man of God once said, 'lamentation is only praise in a minor key' and it needs restoring to the modern church.
Hmm...well I love and respect this lady too, but I'd go further and say I disagree with the video and everyhing about it. In fact there's so much wrong with it Idon't know where to start commenting - the teaching itself is wrong and not supported by Scripture, and even the fact that she's giving it is wrong and not only ill-advised, but specifically prohibited in Scripture. I can't do a full Bible study, but I think I will use a couple of posts just to encourage like minds to get into the Word.
Hmm...well I love and respect this lady too, but I'd go further and say I disagree with the video and everyhing about it. In fact there's so much wrong with it Idon't know where to start commenting - the teaching itself is wrong and not supported by Scripture, and even the fact that she's giving it is wrong and not only ill-advised, but specifically prohibited in Scripture. I can't do a full Bible study, but I think I will use a couple of posts just to encourage like minds to get into the Word!
Hmm...well I love and respect this lady too, but I'd go further and say I disagree with the video and everyhing about it. In fact there's so much wrong with it Idon't know where to start commenting - the teaching itself is wrong and not supported by Scripture, and even the fact that she's giving it is wrong and not only ill-advised, but specifically prohibited in Scripture. I can't do a full Bible study, but I think I will use a couple of posts just to encourage like minds to get into the Word!
Hmm...well I love and respect this lady too, but I'd go further and say I disagree with the video and everyhing about it. In fact there's so much wrong with it Idon't know where to start commenting - the teaching itself is wrong and not supported by Scripture, and even the fact that she's giving it is wrong and not only ill-advised, but specifically prohibited in Scripture. I can't do a full Bible study, but I think I will use a couple of posts just to encourage like minds to get into the Word!
@SuperJeremiah333 so you are saying that scripture doesnt tell us to sing to the Lord songs we put our heart into? You're saying scripture doesn't tell us that worship is all about Him?You're saying worship should not keep us forcused on Him? that it's not about giving Him what He deserves? that it's not about Him? I'm sorry but I don't see your point here.
@Hisgraceisanocean If you read all my comments I'm saying she offers no scriptural backup for any of her opinions, shes' missed and dismissed the point about David and Psalms entirely, she's too young to understand that lament is simply praise in a minor key, or to realise it's not a good trend in the modern church that penitence and repentance are swept away by a tide of rejoicing, and that it's unscriptural for women to teach congregations, for reasons I think she's just amply demonstrated!
@SuperJeremiah333 I have one thing to say to you about that: "Rejoice in the Lord always, again I say rejoice." Philippians 4:4 and i'm pretty sure this is a worship conference sort of thing so i wouldnt call that unscriptural.. and she may have not referred to scripture, but nothing she said was "unscriptural."
@Hisgraceisanocean Well I'm not going to argue because anyone who doesn't know the differnce between honesty and negative confesssion, or realise that Psalm 13 is a true hymn of praise, is simply showing their inexperience, which means they don't yet have the depth to give a meaningful teaching anyway.
Moreover, regardless of what she's saying, what she's DOING is in itself unscriptural - the only mandate women have to teach is in Titus 2: 4-5 and aside from that it's specifically forbidden!
Also 1 Thess 5:18 "In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you."
You cannot whine and give thanks at the same time.
"let not your heart be troubled" John 14:1 "Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God." Phil 4:6
@Aphoresis Er...I don't remember trying to justify whining! What I'm saying is that being honest, even in valley experiences (if you haven't had one, you WILL) is important to God (Psalm 13) and that lament was simply praise in a minor key. If I said "in this world you WILL have trouble" I'd probably be accused of 'negative confession' these days, so I'm glad it was Jesus!
And John 14:1 means when you find yourself getting anxious don't leave it there - admit it and give it to God.
Paul was honest. All that is necessary for honesty is to covey objective facts. "i was beaten", "i was shipwrecked", "I have gone hungry, thirsty and naked and without certain dwelling place". But when it came to his attitude, he was bold and joyful. He did not choose to focus on that stuff. He practiced Phil 4:8
Ofcourse you will have trouble in the world, the point is, trouble is not supposed to dictate your attitude or focus, God is.
@Aphoresis Exactly - very well put - and that's all I'm asking for - permission to honestly state the facts, even when they are unsavoury, and not to be in denial. But then go on to declare the truth that can change those facts.
We need to recognise and admit there's a mountain before we can tell it to cast itself into the sea, and if we need healing, help, or deliverence, then an expectation that 'Christians shouldn't feel like that' is not redemptive.
I haven't been around for a while, let my finally respond. First of all, yes i said FACTS. a song can acknowledge a negative EXTERNAL FACT. There is a difference between an external negative fact and singing about a negative state of mind (she gives the example of singing "i am dry"). You are the dictator of how you feel. What is the difference between saying and singing? singing is a form of meditation, it instills ideas into us.
David was NOT born again he had a dead spirit. In addition, much of his words of suffering are in the Bible because they are Prophetic of Christ. Christ suffered without the comfort of God that we have. It was his destiny (to be temporarily separated from the father).
Paul is a born again man of the New Covenant . Consider the way he confronted trials: BODLY.
"But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear to myself, so that I might finish my course WITH JOY" Acts 20:24
@Aphoresis Well I believe that Christ was only separted from His Father for 3 hours of darkness.
I also believe that David was "a man after God'sown heart," that the Holy Spirit was 'on' him, if not 'in' him, and that he will be in the kingdom along with other selected individuals from the Old Testament.
But what's certain is the Bible says no man wrote ANY phrophecy of Scripture but the Holy Spirit, and that ALL scripture is God-breathed - so it came 'through' David, but not 'from' David.
Yes but your own point is dependent on the idea that David was describing the way that HE felt. So in that sense it was FROM him. The key to divine authorship here is that the words were used and orchestrated by The Holy Spirit to express the suffering of the Son of David.
David actually reprimands HIMSELF in the middle of a Psalm
"Why are you cast down, O my soul? and why are you disquieted within me? hope in God: for I shall yet praise him..." Psalm 43:5
You have to remember that you are reading the Old testament. Ofcourse it is the word of God, but it is the word of God from a different dispensation. There are plenty of things from the Psalms that are not applicable to us today because we have been redeemed by the Blood of Christ. David's approach to and discussion of sin for example was not informed by the truth of redemption.
@Aphoresis I can't think of any example to show that David was unaware of 'the truth of redemption' - on the contrary - nor anything in Psalms that is inapplicable to 'us today'..?
I disagree with much of this video, but I understand where she comes from. I think we should be honest with God, which she talks about in other videos, honor. But how can we be honest if we throw away and put our 'not so joyful parts' "over there" and just focus on him. Bring your baggage to God, he can handle it. Sing your baggage to God, he can handle it.
We, as worship leaders need to sing songs that our PASTORS can put their whole hearts into. SO many times I get asked to do a song/songs that I can't STAND, but God shows up and flows anyway...I second tiptonmusic. Now...if I was in an event that was MY concert... I would do the songs that I can put my whole heart into.
Kim, you have wonderful things to say. We have a mother who stands to worship, but doesn't sing; Her 2 year old drowned. She isn't JUST having a bad day. Have you ever experienced anything this tragic? Your heart may not be dry, but maybe someone in your church family's heart might be. We've been doing "Your Love Never Fails" for a few months now, and I remind them that 'all things work together for our good' can sound like a pat answer...but in our hearts, we have to believe that this is true.
I agree. I used to play some sad songs as a musician. Now when I sing and play I can't do it. I used to listen to a lot of worldly music also but when i really started seeking the Lord & getting to know Him better boy I put in my favorite Peter Gabriel CD & just couldn't listen to it so I tried listening to MJ but Nope just couldn't. Now I have no desire for those songs anymore. But I love being in the presence of God now and He inhabits the praise of His people.
I'm no worship leader, but I just believe that even in the midst of pain, my God is there. So I sing about some sad stuff and most of the time, it comes to a crashing point of a tortured soul DESPERATE for his father, CRAVING his father, and joyful and fully knowledgeable that he's there and taking care of me. It's kind of like a cry out to my God that I've got pain, and I know who to take it to. That's what David Crowder tries portray, that's what King David portrayed in some of his psalms.
@bananaliver I am a worship leader and...I think you sentence should end at ..."in the mist of pain, my God is there." That's when you begin to really worship because he didn't leave you, he's faithful, kind, and gentle. So there is no need to cry out, but rest in the peace of the father. Be encouraged :))
@sangnboy My cries are those of Job, my brother. Check out some of my music. I think that you'll get an idea of what I'm talking about. Sometimes in life, the pain is unbearable. Sometimes you're faced with things that don't necessarily go away quickly with a quick song. I believe God not only lets us know of His faithfulness, but allows our humanity to be received by a God who hears. If we do not voice our pain, How is God to deal with it?
@sangnboy Some food for thought, should we be worshipping Papa because of the things He gives us? Or do we worship Him because we love Him? Do we ever just simply love Him, not waiting for the moments when we'll "feel" Him the most? I think that is my major point. In the midst of pain, I know I can take it all to Papa.
@sangnboy I hope this all makes sense. Thankyou for your encouragement, brother, may God richly Bless you for your heart. :] This is mostly why I am not a worship leader. God has made me to walk through the valley of the shadow of death. Through the ugly, through the hurtful, through the destructive. And He tells me to talk about that. To speak of the doubt, of the unsettling, of the weary traveling. And He shines through the darkness of it all. Which is more than I could ask for.
I agree with Kim, i want to put my whole heart when I worship. I have a hard time if I can't believe what I am singing. Thank you for this video, i would like to see more from Kim on worship leading.
I find it interesting how quickly she dismissed the Psalms, the prayer book of Jews and Christians for centuries of history.
"and yes, I know, the psalms, I know David had all his mournful psalms and everything else..."
Almost seems like a pretty low view of scripture, of those prayers.
Also, most of David's lament psalms aren't simply self-focused. Not every "mournful song of despair" is a song focused on us. And while most of the laments turn to praise, they at least acknowledge the sadness.
@flyingdutchman2012 I find it interesting how quickly you dismissed the Psalms"turning into praise" as you yourself said. a song that starts off with a problem and then allows God to dissolve it is o.k.. That is still a 'faith" song whose focus is God.
Actually David admits in places that he should not feel the way that he does (Psalms 43:5). But David was not born again, and had a fallen heart and spirit.
Personally i believe many of the Psalms are prophetic of Christ's suffering.
It is akin to walking past a restaurant and depending on the aroma of the food to take care of your hunger. It reminds of you of how wonderful food taste but it doesn't provide anything other than a memory. We tend to sing many songs because we had a wonderful experience with them at one time. Every time we sing a song the song should be fresh within our hearts. Worship enables us to make the transition from relationship to fellowship.
Very true we need to focus fully on God!! However i think we do need to have songs that reveal God's compassion and empathy .... We in worship often need to show God's empathy towards our trials and suffering. You can mention the pain and suffering people are feeling, then how awesome and faithful God is to bring us through these trials! For instance a good example would be "Praise You In The Storm" by casting crowns. Worship gives God glory...Those songs are still giving God the Glory!
I think she has maybe had a sheltered little life apart from real suffering (I may be wrong) and that maybe she'd like those (I'm broken and in pain and need you GOd bad I AM DRY) songs if she lived where some have been.
Just my thoughts cuz I feel jesus real close when I listen to that kinda stuff, broken etc
Johhny cash cover of hurt is a good example)
maybe since Kims never had a heroin addiction or been beaten she just cant empathise, maybe her bad day is (ahhhh I burnt the toast)!!
WOW!!! I've been waiting to hear sermons frm Kim Walker...she is a prophet for the NOW Generation...Behold God is bringing a new thing! Worship Leaders we need to listen to the still small voice that is giving us NEW THINGS during our praise & worship...We are a NEW GENERATION. THANK YOU JESUS, for the person who post these teachings, bless this person!
WOW!!! I've been waiting to hear sermons frm Kim Walker...she is a prophet for the NOW Generation...Behold God is bringing a new thing! Worship Leaders we need to listen to the still small voice that is giving us NEW THINGS during our praise & worship...We are a NEW GENERATION. THANK YOU JESUS, for the person who post these teachings, bless this person!
A good number of p&w songs today are self centered. All the praise does need to be lifted up towards God. Completely blessed by her words. Thanks for the post =)
Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound, That saved a wretch like me. I once was lost but now am found, Was blind, but now I see. T'was Grace that taught my heart to fear. And Grace, my fears relieved. How precious did that Grace appear The hour I first believed. Through many dangers, toils and snares I have already come; 'Tis Grace that brought me safe thus far and Grace will lead me home.
David wrote many of the Psalms and they were not all worship songs as she would describe worship but the main focus was GOD. Job was about his suffering but the focus was GOD. Paul wrote most of the New testament and told his testimony many times which GOD used and is still using to bring people to himself. I think Kim Walker is awesome but I would have to disagree with her on this one. This video is short so there could be more that she explains so I could be jumping to conclusions. If so sorry
David wasn't born again. Look at Paul's attitude, he was a bulldog, and one that wrote "Be careful For nothing" (translated elsewhere as "don't be anxious about anything").
I think that if you never had what I call (tesimony worship) songs then the unsaved could never relate. If I'm unsaved why would I worship until I know who GOD is, what he is capable of, and what he has done for others. That's like walking before you crawl. I understand what she means when it comes to the saved but the unsaved is the commision. One of the big problems in the church is focusing on the people in the church and not the people just visiting.
for sure, also I wonder if Kim has suffered (other then burning the toast or breaking a nail)?? maybe if she was beaten, raped or had a heroin addiction she would be talking different?? anyways shes cool :P
If Kim Walker (I dont know) has trully seen imense suicidal, painful, suffering in her life, perhaps her perception in worshiping God might be different. IE if she'd experienced deep loss maybe from an addiction or some kind of life jarring pain maybe she would not be saying such things like forget your pain its all about God. I dont know her history but it seemed what she said was distasteful. Look at the psalms and Jesus !
@planes3333 haha Jesus Died for you, Don't feel bad. he died, be happy. That is the main reason why he died. Your promoting mourning and crying. In other words, your automatically denying the power of the cross. he died so that you may have life, not to cry because he died, or to ponder on your past dark days. Isaiah 53 Worship is all about Jesus, not about our problems and sufferings. Jesus said, " you experience sorrow in this world, but take heart i have overcome the world." Bless you :)
ever read psalms or lamentations, I hear what you are saying I just think little Kim there is a sheltered girl who has never had a knife to her throat, a gun to her head, raped, beaten, lost, overdosed, locked up etc !
People can be easly objective about pain and suffering and "ohhh we praise God in the tough ttimes," however I dont know if she has been through any, most people respect those lamenting songs who have. Bless you 2
@planes3333 But even if Kim hasnt experienced all that stuff, what she's saying is not wrong. Its very biblical, in fact. I think the Bible knows what its talking about when there are psalms when the writer is encouraging others (nations, creation) to worship.
But yes, there are sad songs, especially (but not all the time) when we come to God in our brokenness, our personal worship time.
In a corporate worship, its BETTER to encourage each other of God awesomeness.
I know what it feels like to have pain in your heart when you worship God, even to the point halfway through a song, you're just like slumping down, like, oh! but my heart is still hurting! And songs that talks about God's faithfulness, what he has done - those are the songs that sets me free and gives me relief.
Hmm. that means maybe what she said about 'feeling' the song - it really a choice we have to make to 'feel' it.
I like being real before God and not putting on "rose coloured glasses. I am that way and I think God wants me to be real with him, and others instead of putting on a mask of cheerfulness as oposed to showing God my ugliness and sin. Peace out and be well my brother or sister in christ. ; )
@planes3333 What you said is true. But. I think ur a bit overjudgmental over Kim, thats not good. Yea, i think the body of Christ is very diverse, some churches embodied a certain 'personality'. Probably Bethel is more 'go get em!', like Hillsongs have a different vibe, but its all good, their latest stuff is really good, a huge portion of it talks about our brokenness, always putting it against God's goodness, its called a Beautiful exchange (brokeness for wholeness) You should check it out.
@planes3333 This is out of my heart, if you really mean peace, you should know that there should be unity in the body of Christ - that means recognizing the difference in every believer, minister, pastors, churches, denominations even, and being able to see the goodness in the way they glorify God. Thats why we have to be careful not to be shooting arrows (however harmless it seems) at ourselves.
Hmmm yeahhh......noooooooo LOL sorry being a Christian does not give you any priviledge in being excempt from scrutiny. Ever heard Martin Luthor? Well we are to test the spirits and also to be wise as serpants, gentle as doves.
@planes3333 Are you talking bout yourself? Ridiculing Kim (with the burnt toast and broken nail) is not scrutiny. Its mockery. Martin Luther did not scrutinize behind a computer screen. And he certainly wasn't contemptuous. What you've been saying is neither wise nor innocent.
By the way, you're quoting Scripture wrongly. that's for a missional context. And the Jeremiad lamentations are not about himself, its being broken for the injustice of a nation, an intercessor's brokenness.
*sigh* Kim Walker is a sister in Christ, (as are you) and my opinion is just that! I am not saying she is better or less, worse or whatever. She is commenting on how people should worship God and I think she should be quiet. People come to God as they are (thief on the cross etc) so who is she to say "smile and make it all about God" some people are broken beyond that and dont have that ability, mainly those broken. Kim should praise God for her little sheltered world and you too!
Hey I dont know if this is an attempt at an exscuse, but I can be a boisterous guy (Gods got his hands full with me) so take what I say with a grain of salt ok ; )
@planes3333 Ok. Its just that you sound offended by the FACT that God is bigger than ALL the problems in the world. And I mean bigger than 6 billion lives plus those who are now dead. There's absolutely nothing wrong with what she said.
All I'm saying is - be careful of what you say so it doesnt go against your character and a reflection of who you follow.
Fair enough, Kim can have more discretion of words but unfortunately in this case she is more on point. Peace - the real kind.
@planes3333 Yeah that's why they called the Blue's "The Devil's Music" lol. Listen i can give you the name of people who have suffered and who believe that rejoicing THROUGH and POUT of it is the key, but it's not like it's going to change your outlook. This isn't about what Kim has gone through, it's about the fact that you wish to meditate on suffering when you are suffering, and hey, it's your life, your free to do that.
i think it;'s important for people to hear another way.
Abba Father, knows our heart, He knows our hurts and what we need to be healed of. What Kim is saying(I believe), is to keep your focus on Him, and worship Him, and praise Him, take the focus off ourselves when we gather to worship Him, and by doing this His Spirit will move and minister to those hurts/problems.
I'm not saying there isn't a time to bring these things to the Lord, but during worship we should focus on Him, not us.
If God told to sing lay down my burdens and he told me his glory was gonna fall and not to worry like he said he will be with us il do no matter what my flesh feels the bible says the heart is deceitful above all im not trying to trash kim i promise Gods just weighing my heart to say this god Bless
Wow dont get me wrong i love jesus culture but hearing this worship leading is a job and if i dont like the song im not gonna sing it i just read all the comments and my heart hurts because its true its all about God but ifthe so called downer songs werent sung than how are people going to be set free God can only use broken things so what are you going to say God i dont feel the song so ill do my own thing kim you say its about God than it wont about what you feel but what Godwants
i believe that Kim has the ability to hear from God and kinda based on her song "where you go i go " if God wanted a song to be sang that she is so connected with him that, that would be on her heart and she would become passionate about the song because it is the will of God....and worship is worship like she said it is all about God, so maybe some one would appreciate a downer song but worship is the time to focus on GOD! and who are we to nit pick everything, right?
Sometimes you have to tune in to that brokenness to get past it. Music is an amazing catalyst for that. Also as a worship leader or musician, I dont think your heart CAN always be totally in every song...at least not in my experience. When you sing, out of obedience, god will show up regardless.
@tiptonmusic Singing out of obedience.... where's the intimacy in that? It's all about intimacy with God, it's all about a relationship with Him. This is not a religion. Christianity is not a religion. It should not be viewed as a religion. It should be viewed as a love for the lover of our soul, or in other words: INTIMACY. It's so selfish to think that God will show up when we praise out of obedience. It's like you expect Him to be obedient to US because we're obedient to Him.
I think it can work both ways. What Kim said is obviously ideal, but at the same time I believe stepping up when you are the only option to lead a song is an act of worship in itself, and that is inspiring. Jesus culture are obviously not short of options though :)
I can understand and agree with Kim while I also see the value of the "broken" songs... I think there is truth to both perspectives. Time of worship is coming before our Lord with all that we are right where we are. Some people to have a brokenness that they desire to bring to him and receive His Victory over it... it is the variety of us that also honors our Creator. He knows where you are and wants conversation with you. Daily act of worship (lifestyle) is coming before Him with Christ.
hmmmm....kim said worship is for God, but she will not sing a song that she can't be passionate about. i just thought that maybe saying that is, in itself, self serving. what if, the Holy Spirit, wanted for a worship leader to sing a song that that worship leader is not passionate about? what if there's a song that will minister to the people but the worship team won't sing it because they are not passionate about it? is it our passion that we follow or the Lord's bidding? just my thoughts.
Well If you sing a song that you cant be passionate about or its not comimg from your heart then how is that worship? Worship is a matter of the heart becasue if the words that are coming out of your mouth are not true and arnt coming from every fiber of your being then you are JUST singing words its just music its just instruments ect.
Its not coming from you. so how could God except your worship if its not straight from your heart? and someone in that kind of position in leadership has to be intune with the Holy Spirit. I hoped that helped you to understand better.
My counter to your comment would be that, if the Holy Spirit wanted for the worship leader to put a specific song into the set, and the worship leader is truly in tune with God's plan and desires, the worship leader will become passionate about that song and the Lord will get His way. That song will be put on the leader's heart. Put another way, an in-tune leader will be passionate about the songs that the Lord is passionate about; the interests will align.
@emmanuelibus God has a way of making things our desire, should we follow his plans. I'm sure if God gave them a song to sing, the passion would be amazing when the time comes.
@emmanuelibus Uhh were you listening? she said that the reason she is not passionate about the songs is because their "me" centered instead of God centered.
Wow...I SO needed to hear this! As a co worship leader, i am presented songs to learn and sometimes its so difficult for me cause I hear the song and while the song is great, it doesn't resonate within me and sometimes people get upset with me because I won't learn the song. Kim has totally validated my feelings and has not made me feel silly. I'm sending this video to others on my worship team.
@afarrcry YOU WON"T LEARN THE SONG? WORSHIP IS NOT ABOUT YOU ITS ABOUT THE CHURCH. I CAN SEE HOW A SONG WOULD BE MORE DIFFICULT TO LEARN IF ITS NOT UR FAVORITE BIT YOU "WONT" LEARN THE SONG? THATS SELFISH AND IMMATURE.
I just came across this right now. I love this! I am in a Worship Team and am a worship leader, and this is helping me a lot! I am going to re-post this to my friends and pass it along.
omg-ness thank you soo much this needs to be re-posted on all the worship leaders fb,myspace,twitter, youtubes , xanga, wahtever amen Kim!!! Its all about Father son & Holy Spirit not us
I agree with her! :-) I often change song lyrics when I'm singing, if I don't agree with the song. lol
1Rebel4Love 2 months ago
If there are beautiful and theologically rich songs that you cannot put your heart into, then, instead of throwing it out as a child of modern consumerism, maybe you should reorient your own mind and understanding. If you can't sing "Immortal, Invisible, God Only Wise" because you can't get into it, then you need to change yourself, not the song.
wolfepack081 4 months ago 4
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She is being polite, she is not going to say she doesn't want to sing the songs because they are faithless although she is clearly implying this. Instead she is diplomatic and says she cannot get into them. I think part of the problem is that Christians are generally more accustomed to judgmental than to Diplomatic language
Aphoresis 3 months ago
Amen
snsdfan24 4 months ago
Amen :))
MsDzukaite 4 months ago
Amen Kim Amen!!! =)
shannonluzchris 4 months ago
this is so true! speaking from personal experience, God blesses me and shows me His love so much when i've thrown my troubles aside and just worshiped Him
bjvs95 4 months ago
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mr2turbo2 4 months ago
this is so brilliant!!!
MaddieEP101 5 months ago
It's good to sing songs that you aren't full into yet - just like with anyone who is in the congregation - sometimes you sing to let the music minister TO you....and once you've done that, you'd be surprised at how many songs you could worship to that you didn't think you could before.
wilkersonstudios 6 months ago
This is incredibly young and immature. She lacks the life experience and solid theology to speak as an expert on this. This is off.
travisdoucettemusic 6 months ago
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it could be argued that her comments are more mature than your own.
periechontology 3 months ago
Amen my heart is NOT dry! Love her, she loves God.
telelouange 6 months ago 2
i really like this...we have such a strong tendency to be self centered in our thoughts...worship is not and cannot be about self...it is about Jesus, the author of peace, righteousness, and truth <3
boomerbabyblue 7 months ago
AMEN KIM!!!!!
hungerdunger1 7 months ago
This to me sounds like sermons or testimonies. Correct me if I'm wrong. :)
TheUjay 7 months ago
wow thats really nice to know :)
icessoup 8 months ago
so true! I dont want to sing about myself I want to sing about how awesome god is, to god! thats why its worship! and when you do that the sorrow and sadness you feel goes away and becomes replaced with joyfulness =)
Nikkers980 8 months ago
Sing the song and live it, Love the lyrics and Live it !
breakmyjaw 8 months ago
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DarkStageFilms 8 months ago
@DarkStageFilms The fact that you sing music to a melody doesn't change the fact that singing is speaking. I personally don't go around saying things I don't believe in.
Califacience 7 months ago
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These are not rules, their "principles" and their principles for worship leading, not worshiping. Worship leading is a MINISTRY and you must realize that there will be principles within ministry.
Califacience 7 months ago
Thank You for posting these videos. God Bless You!!! I"m blessed by them.
playitloud27 8 months ago
so maaannny rules...
DarkStageFilms 8 months ago
well for petes sake! lol aww man i love her lol Totally agree with her. Its all about God and not wallowing in your sorrows. Once you start praising all your cares fall by the way side
Starvenus4900 8 months ago
I HAVE ABSOLUTE TRUST AND RESPECT FOR KIM WALKER AND ANYTHING SHE SAYS IN MIND I ACCEPT WHOLE HEARTEDLY! SHE IS AN AMAZING GODLY PERSON AND WORSHIP LEADER OF THE HIGHEST QUALITY!
hungerdunger1 10 months ago
I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT OF COURSE ALL SONGS SHOULD BE EXALTING THE LORD ABOVE ALL ELSE, INCLUDING OUR OWN TEMPORARY TRIALS, I AGREE WITH THAT. BUT THERE ARE SONGS THAT EXALT THE LORD THAT ARE NOT RIGHT FOR THE CHURCH DUE TO HOW ITS PLAYED, THE TEMPO, THE MELODY, HOW ITS SUNG..ETC. AND THAT IS WERE SELF, (WHERE MUSICIANS AND SINGERS ARE CONCERNED) HAS TO BE PUT ASIDE FOR THE GOOD OF THE BODY.
JCMySoulsBoast 10 months ago
I EVEN HAVE TO SAY THAT THE WAY A SONG IS SUNG HAS AN IMPACT. FOR EXAMPLE IF THEIR IS TOO MUCH AD LIBBING OR LETS JUST CALL IT "FANCY STUFF" IT TOTALLY KILLS THE MOMENT BECAUSE ITS MORE DISTRACTING THAN ANYTHING. ITS IMPORTANT TO FIT THE SONG AND THE SINGING TO THE CHURCH. ITS IMPORATANT THAT THEY CONNECT WITH GOD. OVER SINGING AND THE WRONG SONG IS NO GOOD FOR THE WORSHIPPERS.
JCMySoulsBoast 10 months ago
CANT AGREE WITH THIS. CHOOSING SONGS SHOULD BE ABOUT THE PEOPLE BEING SERVED NOT THE SINGER OR THE MUSICIAN. YOU KNOW YOU HAVE MADE A RIGHT CHOICE WHEN YOU LOOK OUT AND THE CHURCH IS SINGING IT WITH ALL THEIR HEARTS, YOU KNOW IT IS RIGHT WHEN THEY ACTIVELY PARTICIPATE. MY HUSBAND LEADS WORSHIP IN OUR CHURCH, HIS DAD IS THE PASTOR HE GREW UP IN THE CHURCH, HE CAN HEAR A SONG AND KNOW ITS A CHURCH SONG, A SONG FOR OUR CHURCH ANYWAY. ITS NOT ABOUT WHAT HE LIKES...ITS ABOUT WHAT FITS THE CHURCH.
JCMySoulsBoast 10 months ago
I remember last year on a mission trip my youth group went on to Kansas City, Missouri, we went to the International House of Worship one night and we ended up leaving really early because several of the songs they sang were just like what Kim was talking about. They were songs that we didn't agree with and that had some weird lyrics in them and my youth pastor just didn't like it. We wanted to stay and just pray because God's presence definitely was there, but we also had to honor our pastor.
HipSkool 10 months ago
SuperJeremiah, may I suggest you watch her in worship? Watch the power of her songs. My opinion is this woman is absolutely following God's plan for her life and bringing people to Christ. She's not an elder in the church or the lead pastor! As far as being too young, please study David.
edgedirect 11 months ago 21
Finally, and I'm not wishing to be rude, personal, or critical, but am I the only one whose cringe gland starts to operate when modern young females employ a rising inflection at the end of every phrase, whether it's an interrogative or not? I'm sorry but I think it makes a nonsense of the English language and we should all make an effort to train ourselves not to do it and resist the encroachment of this vocal affectation before it becomes universal. Or is it just me being a grump?
SuperJeremiah333 11 months ago
Second, the whole problem is that she is too young and the wrong gender to be teaching and preaching to a mixed audience, it's out of God's divine order and spiritually dangerous. And third, the concept of 'worship leader' is unscriptural even if you are old enough and of the right gender! Lead worshipper maybe, lead singer certainly, chief musician if you have one...nor are we on a 'stage' (though some behave as if they were) it's a 'platform' - there is a difference, words matter.
SuperJeremiah333 11 months ago
@SuperJeremiah333 you complain about how she is called a 'worship leader'. but you have to realize that music in ancient israel is completely different from modern western music. we can't expect our worship services to have the same order, because American music style is just a different thought process than ancient middle-eastern. to put it short, it's really important musically to have a central leading figure in our modern points of view on music, when it wasn't as important in those times.
MrGameboynate 6 months ago
@MrGameboynate Thanks for that, but the post of chief musician (lead worshipper) is very Biblical and was standard practice in ancient Israel. I haven't said we don't need someone to lead worship, but Scripture, particularly the New Testament, prohibits women from taking leadership responsibilities in mixed congregations. The only instance in the Bible of a woman leading worship was when Miriam led the women in worship, but the chief musician always was, and must always be, a man. God bless.
SuperJeremiah333 6 months ago
@SuperJeremiah333 You are very biased and sexist against women. No where in the Bible does it say that women can't lead worship, and if women do have that calling to lead worship like Kim does then they should be leading worship and being the chief musician. In my own youth group the chief musician is a woman and she is very talented and every time the Presence of God is amazing!
willbell5 2 months ago
First there's a difference between honesty, which is imperative, and negative confession, which may be what she's talking about, but she doesn't make that distinction. You only have to read Psalm 13 to see it. People don't seem to want to lament and repent anymore, but to be swept away by a tide of rejoicing at all costs, but as a man of God once said, 'lamentation is only praise in a minor key' and it needs restoring to the modern church.
SuperJeremiah333 11 months ago
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Hmm...well I love and respect this lady too, but I'd go further and say I disagree with the video and everyhing about it. In fact there's so much wrong with it Idon't know where to start commenting - the teaching itself is wrong and not supported by Scripture, and even the fact that she's giving it is wrong and not only ill-advised, but specifically prohibited in Scripture. I can't do a full Bible study, but I think I will use a couple of posts just to encourage like minds to get into the Word.
SuperJeremiah333 11 months ago
Hmm...well I love and respect this lady too, but I'd go further and say I disagree with the video and everyhing about it. In fact there's so much wrong with it Idon't know where to start commenting - the teaching itself is wrong and not supported by Scripture, and even the fact that she's giving it is wrong and not only ill-advised, but specifically prohibited in Scripture. I can't do a full Bible study, but I think I will use a couple of posts just to encourage like minds to get into the Word!
SuperJeremiah333 11 months ago
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Hmm...well I love and respect this lady too, but I'd go further and say I disagree with the video and everyhing about it. In fact there's so much wrong with it Idon't know where to start commenting - the teaching itself is wrong and not supported by Scripture, and even the fact that she's giving it is wrong and not only ill-advised, but specifically prohibited in Scripture. I can't do a full Bible study, but I think I will use a couple of posts just to encourage like minds to get into the Word!
SuperJeremiah333 11 months ago
Hmm...well I love and respect this lady too, but I'd go further and say I disagree with the video and everyhing about it. In fact there's so much wrong with it Idon't know where to start commenting - the teaching itself is wrong and not supported by Scripture, and even the fact that she's giving it is wrong and not only ill-advised, but specifically prohibited in Scripture. I can't do a full Bible study, but I think I will use a couple of posts just to encourage like minds to get into the Word!
SuperJeremiah333 11 months ago
@SuperJeremiah333 so you are saying that scripture doesnt tell us to sing to the Lord songs we put our heart into? You're saying scripture doesn't tell us that worship is all about Him?You're saying worship should not keep us forcused on Him? that it's not about giving Him what He deserves? that it's not about Him? I'm sorry but I don't see your point here.
Hisgraceisanocean 7 months ago
@Hisgraceisanocean If you read all my comments I'm saying she offers no scriptural backup for any of her opinions, shes' missed and dismissed the point about David and Psalms entirely, she's too young to understand that lament is simply praise in a minor key, or to realise it's not a good trend in the modern church that penitence and repentance are swept away by a tide of rejoicing, and that it's unscriptural for women to teach congregations, for reasons I think she's just amply demonstrated!
SuperJeremiah333 7 months ago
@SuperJeremiah333 I have one thing to say to you about that: "Rejoice in the Lord always, again I say rejoice." Philippians 4:4 and i'm pretty sure this is a worship conference sort of thing so i wouldnt call that unscriptural.. and she may have not referred to scripture, but nothing she said was "unscriptural."
Hisgraceisanocean 7 months ago
@Hisgraceisanocean Well I'm not going to argue because anyone who doesn't know the differnce between honesty and negative confesssion, or realise that Psalm 13 is a true hymn of praise, is simply showing their inexperience, which means they don't yet have the depth to give a meaningful teaching anyway.
Moreover, regardless of what she's saying, what she's DOING is in itself unscriptural - the only mandate women have to teach is in Titus 2: 4-5 and aside from that it's specifically forbidden!
SuperJeremiah333 7 months ago
scriptural back up? O.k. Phil 4:8.
Also 1 Thess 5:18 "In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you."
You cannot whine and give thanks at the same time.
"let not your heart be troubled" John 14:1 "Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God." Phil 4:6
Aphoresis 7 months ago
@Aphoresis Er...I don't remember trying to justify whining! What I'm saying is that being honest, even in valley experiences (if you haven't had one, you WILL) is important to God (Psalm 13) and that lament was simply praise in a minor key. If I said "in this world you WILL have trouble" I'd probably be accused of 'negative confession' these days, so I'm glad it was Jesus!
And John 14:1 means when you find yourself getting anxious don't leave it there - admit it and give it to God.
Blessings.
SuperJeremiah333 7 months ago
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Paul was honest. All that is necessary for honesty is to covey objective facts. "i was beaten", "i was shipwrecked", "I have gone hungry, thirsty and naked and without certain dwelling place". But when it came to his attitude, he was bold and joyful. He did not choose to focus on that stuff. He practiced Phil 4:8
Ofcourse you will have trouble in the world, the point is, trouble is not supposed to dictate your attitude or focus, God is.
Aphoresis 7 months ago
@Aphoresis Exactly - very well put - and that's all I'm asking for - permission to honestly state the facts, even when they are unsavoury, and not to be in denial. But then go on to declare the truth that can change those facts.
We need to recognise and admit there's a mountain before we can tell it to cast itself into the sea, and if we need healing, help, or deliverence, then an expectation that 'Christians shouldn't feel like that' is not redemptive.
God bless.
SuperJeremiah333 7 months ago
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I haven't been around for a while, let my finally respond. First of all, yes i said FACTS. a song can acknowledge a negative EXTERNAL FACT. There is a difference between an external negative fact and singing about a negative state of mind (she gives the example of singing "i am dry"). You are the dictator of how you feel. What is the difference between saying and singing? singing is a form of meditation, it instills ideas into us.
Aphoresis 3 months ago
David was NOT born again he had a dead spirit. In addition, much of his words of suffering are in the Bible because they are Prophetic of Christ. Christ suffered without the comfort of God that we have. It was his destiny (to be temporarily separated from the father).
Paul is a born again man of the New Covenant . Consider the way he confronted trials: BODLY.
"But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear to myself, so that I might finish my course WITH JOY" Acts 20:24
Aphoresis 7 months ago
@Aphoresis Well I believe that Christ was only separted from His Father for 3 hours of darkness.
I also believe that David was "a man after God'sown heart," that the Holy Spirit was 'on' him, if not 'in' him, and that he will be in the kingdom along with other selected individuals from the Old Testament.
But what's certain is the Bible says no man wrote ANY phrophecy of Scripture but the Holy Spirit, and that ALL scripture is God-breathed - so it came 'through' David, but not 'from' David.
SuperJeremiah333 7 months ago
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Yes but your own point is dependent on the idea that David was describing the way that HE felt. So in that sense it was FROM him. The key to divine authorship here is that the words were used and orchestrated by The Holy Spirit to express the suffering of the Son of David.
David actually reprimands HIMSELF in the middle of a Psalm
"Why are you cast down, O my soul? and why are you disquieted within me? hope in God: for I shall yet praise him..." Psalm 43:5
Aphoresis 7 months ago
@Aphoresis Yes - well why can't we sing that?
SuperJeremiah333 7 months ago
You have to remember that you are reading the Old testament. Ofcourse it is the word of God, but it is the word of God from a different dispensation. There are plenty of things from the Psalms that are not applicable to us today because we have been redeemed by the Blood of Christ. David's approach to and discussion of sin for example was not informed by the truth of redemption.
Aphoresis 7 months ago
@Aphoresis I can't think of any example to show that David was unaware of 'the truth of redemption' - on the contrary - nor anything in Psalms that is inapplicable to 'us today'..?
SuperJeremiah333 7 months ago
Certainly David was unaware of the truth of redemption in Christ, how could he not have been? Colossians 1:26
Aphoresis 3 months ago
I disagree with much of this video, but I understand where she comes from. I think we should be honest with God, which she talks about in other videos, honor. But how can we be honest if we throw away and put our 'not so joyful parts' "over there" and just focus on him. Bring your baggage to God, he can handle it. Sing your baggage to God, he can handle it.
xMajorChachix 11 months ago
wow! i was inspired by this video..
aePsalms 11 months ago
We, as worship leaders need to sing songs that our PASTORS can put their whole hearts into. SO many times I get asked to do a song/songs that I can't STAND, but God shows up and flows anyway...I second tiptonmusic. Now...if I was in an event that was MY concert... I would do the songs that I can put my whole heart into.
tredwards190 11 months ago
amen!
jessicamatheis 1 year ago
totally agree... amen
lenasch82 1 year ago
I love how there is no reference to the Bible whatsoever..
SAUCUpublicity 1 year ago
Kim, you have wonderful things to say. We have a mother who stands to worship, but doesn't sing; Her 2 year old drowned. She isn't JUST having a bad day. Have you ever experienced anything this tragic? Your heart may not be dry, but maybe someone in your church family's heart might be. We've been doing "Your Love Never Fails" for a few months now, and I remind them that 'all things work together for our good' can sound like a pat answer...but in our hearts, we have to believe that this is true.
melodioushcc 1 year ago
I agree. I used to play some sad songs as a musician. Now when I sing and play I can't do it. I used to listen to a lot of worldly music also but when i really started seeking the Lord & getting to know Him better boy I put in my favorite Peter Gabriel CD & just couldn't listen to it so I tried listening to MJ but Nope just couldn't. Now I have no desire for those songs anymore. But I love being in the presence of God now and He inhabits the praise of His people.
deliciouspraise 1 year ago
Gosh...I love this!
FaithnLovEnHope 1 year ago
I'm no worship leader, but I just believe that even in the midst of pain, my God is there. So I sing about some sad stuff and most of the time, it comes to a crashing point of a tortured soul DESPERATE for his father, CRAVING his father, and joyful and fully knowledgeable that he's there and taking care of me. It's kind of like a cry out to my God that I've got pain, and I know who to take it to. That's what David Crowder tries portray, that's what King David portrayed in some of his psalms.
bananaliver 1 year ago 6
@bananaliver I am a worship leader and...I think you sentence should end at ..."in the mist of pain, my God is there." That's when you begin to really worship because he didn't leave you, he's faithful, kind, and gentle. So there is no need to cry out, but rest in the peace of the father. Be encouraged :))
sangnboy 3 months ago
@sangnboy My cries are those of Job, my brother. Check out some of my music. I think that you'll get an idea of what I'm talking about. Sometimes in life, the pain is unbearable. Sometimes you're faced with things that don't necessarily go away quickly with a quick song. I believe God not only lets us know of His faithfulness, but allows our humanity to be received by a God who hears. If we do not voice our pain, How is God to deal with it?
bananaliver 3 months ago
@sangnboy Some food for thought, should we be worshipping Papa because of the things He gives us? Or do we worship Him because we love Him? Do we ever just simply love Him, not waiting for the moments when we'll "feel" Him the most? I think that is my major point. In the midst of pain, I know I can take it all to Papa.
bananaliver 3 months ago
@sangnboy I hope this all makes sense. Thankyou for your encouragement, brother, may God richly Bless you for your heart. :] This is mostly why I am not a worship leader. God has made me to walk through the valley of the shadow of death. Through the ugly, through the hurtful, through the destructive. And He tells me to talk about that. To speak of the doubt, of the unsettling, of the weary traveling. And He shines through the darkness of it all. Which is more than I could ask for.
bananaliver 3 months ago
"Amen Kim" lol God bless you Kim
184Panther 1 year ago
I'm having such a hard time. You may not know me but please pray for me
itsnever2soon 1 year ago
I agree with Kim, i want to put my whole heart when I worship. I have a hard time if I can't believe what I am singing. Thank you for this video, i would like to see more from Kim on worship leading.
Singfortheking33 1 year ago
I find it interesting how quickly she dismissed the Psalms, the prayer book of Jews and Christians for centuries of history.
"and yes, I know, the psalms, I know David had all his mournful psalms and everything else..."
Almost seems like a pretty low view of scripture, of those prayers.
Also, most of David's lament psalms aren't simply self-focused. Not every "mournful song of despair" is a song focused on us. And while most of the laments turn to praise, they at least acknowledge the sadness.
flyingdutchman2012 1 year ago
@flyingdutchman2012 I find it interesting how quickly you dismissed the Psalms"turning into praise" as you yourself said. a song that starts off with a problem and then allows God to dissolve it is o.k.. That is still a 'faith" song whose focus is God.
Actually David admits in places that he should not feel the way that he does (Psalms 43:5). But David was not born again, and had a fallen heart and spirit.
Personally i believe many of the Psalms are prophetic of Christ's suffering.
Aphoresis 1 year ago
self-opinionated...
CalinDemian 1 year ago
as a new worship team member this clip helped me !!
Glamgirl245 1 year ago
Good point. Worship is putting aside us and letting God in.
Isaiah53v5 1 year ago 2
This is good stuff
philotze 1 year ago
It is akin to walking past a restaurant and depending on the aroma of the food to take care of your hunger. It reminds of you of how wonderful food taste but it doesn't provide anything other than a memory. We tend to sing many songs because we had a wonderful experience with them at one time. Every time we sing a song the song should be fresh within our hearts. Worship enables us to make the transition from relationship to fellowship.
HOOSIERLOVER 1 year ago
Very true we need to focus fully on God!! However i think we do need to have songs that reveal God's compassion and empathy .... We in worship often need to show God's empathy towards our trials and suffering. You can mention the pain and suffering people are feeling, then how awesome and faithful God is to bring us through these trials! For instance a good example would be "Praise You In The Storm" by casting crowns. Worship gives God glory...Those songs are still giving God the Glory!
tcap8055 1 year ago
Amen! It is all about Jesus! Excellent teaching!
2259269587 1 year ago
awesome. Thanks for uploading
denolaj 1 year ago
I'm so glad you posted it. Where do I get the rest?
ForgivenCarolynn 1 year ago
I think she has maybe had a sheltered little life apart from real suffering (I may be wrong) and that maybe she'd like those (I'm broken and in pain and need you GOd bad I AM DRY) songs if she lived where some have been.
Just my thoughts cuz I feel jesus real close when I listen to that kinda stuff, broken etc
Johhny cash cover of hurt is a good example)
maybe since Kims never had a heroin addiction or been beaten she just cant empathise, maybe her bad day is (ahhhh I burnt the toast)!!
planes3333 1 year ago
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WOW!!! I've been waiting to hear sermons frm Kim Walker...she is a prophet for the NOW Generation...Behold God is bringing a new thing! Worship Leaders we need to listen to the still small voice that is giving us NEW THINGS during our praise & worship...We are a NEW GENERATION. THANK YOU JESUS, for the person who post these teachings, bless this person!
maeprilsky 1 year ago
WOW!!! I've been waiting to hear sermons frm Kim Walker...she is a prophet for the NOW Generation...Behold God is bringing a new thing! Worship Leaders we need to listen to the still small voice that is giving us NEW THINGS during our praise & worship...We are a NEW GENERATION. THANK YOU JESUS, for the person who post these teachings, bless this person!
maeprilsky 1 year ago
A good number of p&w songs today are self centered. All the praise does need to be lifted up towards God. Completely blessed by her words. Thanks for the post =)
bebevoice 1 year ago
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Yes, my point exactly:)
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DMichaelAllenMusic 1 year ago
David wrote many of the Psalms and they were not all worship songs as she would describe worship but the main focus was GOD. Job was about his suffering but the focus was GOD. Paul wrote most of the New testament and told his testimony many times which GOD used and is still using to bring people to himself. I think Kim Walker is awesome but I would have to disagree with her on this one. This video is short so there could be more that she explains so I could be jumping to conclusions. If so sorry
DMichaelAllenMusic 1 year ago
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David wasn't born again. Look at Paul's attitude, he was a bulldog, and one that wrote "Be careful For nothing" (translated elsewhere as "don't be anxious about anything").
Califacience 1 year ago
I think that if you never had what I call (tesimony worship) songs then the unsaved could never relate. If I'm unsaved why would I worship until I know who GOD is, what he is capable of, and what he has done for others. That's like walking before you crawl. I understand what she means when it comes to the saved but the unsaved is the commision. One of the big problems in the church is focusing on the people in the church and not the people just visiting.
DMichaelAllenMusic 1 year ago
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for sure, also I wonder if Kim has suffered (other then burning the toast or breaking a nail)?? maybe if she was beaten, raped or had a heroin addiction she would be talking different?? anyways shes cool :P
planes3333 1 year ago
@planes3333 What?
DMichaelAllenMusic 1 year ago
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If Kim Walker (I dont know) has trully seen imense suicidal, painful, suffering in her life, perhaps her perception in worshiping God might be different. IE if she'd experienced deep loss maybe from an addiction or some kind of life jarring pain maybe she would not be saying such things like forget your pain its all about God. I dont know her history but it seemed what she said was distasteful. Look at the psalms and Jesus !
planes3333 1 year ago
@planes3333 haha Jesus Died for you, Don't feel bad. he died, be happy. That is the main reason why he died. Your promoting mourning and crying. In other words, your automatically denying the power of the cross. he died so that you may have life, not to cry because he died, or to ponder on your past dark days. Isaiah 53 Worship is all about Jesus, not about our problems and sufferings. Jesus said, " you experience sorrow in this world, but take heart i have overcome the world." Bless you :)
iesidne 1 year ago
@iesidne
ever heard of a type of music called "the blues"?
ever read psalms or lamentations, I hear what you are saying I just think little Kim there is a sheltered girl who has never had a knife to her throat, a gun to her head, raped, beaten, lost, overdosed, locked up etc !
People can be easly objective about pain and suffering and "ohhh we praise God in the tough ttimes," however I dont know if she has been through any, most people respect those lamenting songs who have. Bless you 2
planes3333 1 year ago
@planes3333 But even if Kim hasnt experienced all that stuff, what she's saying is not wrong. Its very biblical, in fact. I think the Bible knows what its talking about when there are psalms when the writer is encouraging others (nations, creation) to worship.
But yes, there are sad songs, especially (but not all the time) when we come to God in our brokenness, our personal worship time.
In a corporate worship, its BETTER to encourage each other of God awesomeness.
blularkspur 1 year ago
@planes3333
I know what it feels like to have pain in your heart when you worship God, even to the point halfway through a song, you're just like slumping down, like, oh! but my heart is still hurting! And songs that talks about God's faithfulness, what he has done - those are the songs that sets me free and gives me relief.
Hmm. that means maybe what she said about 'feeling' the song - it really a choice we have to make to 'feel' it.
blularkspur 1 year ago
@blularkspur
I like being real before God and not putting on "rose coloured glasses. I am that way and I think God wants me to be real with him, and others instead of putting on a mask of cheerfulness as oposed to showing God my ugliness and sin. Peace out and be well my brother or sister in christ. ; )
planes3333 1 year ago
@planes3333 What you said is true. But. I think ur a bit overjudgmental over Kim, thats not good. Yea, i think the body of Christ is very diverse, some churches embodied a certain 'personality'. Probably Bethel is more 'go get em!', like Hillsongs have a different vibe, but its all good, their latest stuff is really good, a huge portion of it talks about our brokenness, always putting it against God's goodness, its called a Beautiful exchange (brokeness for wholeness) You should check it out.
blularkspur 1 year ago
@planes3333 This is out of my heart, if you really mean peace, you should know that there should be unity in the body of Christ - that means recognizing the difference in every believer, minister, pastors, churches, denominations even, and being able to see the goodness in the way they glorify God. Thats why we have to be careful not to be shooting arrows (however harmless it seems) at ourselves.
blularkspur 1 year ago
@blularkspur
Hmmm yeahhh......noooooooo LOL sorry being a Christian does not give you any priviledge in being excempt from scrutiny. Ever heard Martin Luthor? Well we are to test the spirits and also to be wise as serpants, gentle as doves.
planes3333 1 year ago
@planes3333 Are you talking bout yourself? Ridiculing Kim (with the burnt toast and broken nail) is not scrutiny. Its mockery. Martin Luther did not scrutinize behind a computer screen. And he certainly wasn't contemptuous. What you've been saying is neither wise nor innocent.
By the way, you're quoting Scripture wrongly. that's for a missional context. And the Jeremiad lamentations are not about himself, its being broken for the injustice of a nation, an intercessor's brokenness.
blularkspur 1 year ago
@blularkspur
*sigh* Kim Walker is a sister in Christ, (as are you) and my opinion is just that! I am not saying she is better or less, worse or whatever. She is commenting on how people should worship God and I think she should be quiet. People come to God as they are (thief on the cross etc) so who is she to say "smile and make it all about God" some people are broken beyond that and dont have that ability, mainly those broken. Kim should praise God for her little sheltered world and you too!
planes3333 1 year ago
@blularkspur
Yeah maybe the "burnt toast "comment was rough, I am still a work being moulded in his hands.
With that said some people are so broken they almost cant look at their own life let alone Gods, some people are that selfish, broken etc
planes3333 1 year ago
@blularkspur
Hey I dont know if this is an attempt at an exscuse, but I can be a boisterous guy (Gods got his hands full with me) so take what I say with a grain of salt ok ; )
planes3333 1 year ago
@planes3333 Ok. Its just that you sound offended by the FACT that God is bigger than ALL the problems in the world. And I mean bigger than 6 billion lives plus those who are now dead. There's absolutely nothing wrong with what she said.
All I'm saying is - be careful of what you say so it doesnt go against your character and a reflection of who you follow.
Fair enough, Kim can have more discretion of words but unfortunately in this case she is more on point. Peace - the real kind.
blularkspur 1 year ago
@planes3333 Yeah that's why they called the Blue's "The Devil's Music" lol. Listen i can give you the name of people who have suffered and who believe that rejoicing THROUGH and POUT of it is the key, but it's not like it's going to change your outlook. This isn't about what Kim has gone through, it's about the fact that you wish to meditate on suffering when you are suffering, and hey, it's your life, your free to do that.
i think it;'s important for people to hear another way.
Califacience 1 year ago
Abba Father, knows our heart, He knows our hurts and what we need to be healed of. What Kim is saying(I believe), is to keep your focus on Him, and worship Him, and praise Him, take the focus off ourselves when we gather to worship Him, and by doing this His Spirit will move and minister to those hurts/problems.
I'm not saying there isn't a time to bring these things to the Lord, but during worship we should focus on Him, not us.
iluvfsh1 1 year ago
absolutely agree with Kim on avoiding songs we can't resonate with, hearing her sets me free and confirm what I have always believe in. Keep sharing!
jaszz7 1 year ago
If God told to sing lay down my burdens and he told me his glory was gonna fall and not to worry like he said he will be with us il do no matter what my flesh feels the bible says the heart is deceitful above all im not trying to trash kim i promise Gods just weighing my heart to say this god Bless
Gab4Christ 1 year ago
Wow dont get me wrong i love jesus culture but hearing this worship leading is a job and if i dont like the song im not gonna sing it i just read all the comments and my heart hurts because its true its all about God but ifthe so called downer songs werent sung than how are people going to be set free God can only use broken things so what are you going to say God i dont feel the song so ill do my own thing kim you say its about God than it wont about what you feel but what Godwants
Gab4Christ 1 year ago
amen
waitin4winter 1 year ago
I always keep saying that... worship is total focus on him.. not some cry cry Lord help me songs...
debby2ube 1 year ago
I sooooooo agree with her!!!
richkief 1 year ago
not every one who says Lord Lord
MediumShag 1 year ago
too many people sing about pink skies who doesen't exist these days
HummingJoakim 1 year ago
too many people sings about pink skies who doesn't exixt these days. .
HummingJoakim 1 year ago
i didn't know giving god praise was a job... i thought it was a privalege.. i'd want to welcome him not make him feel unwanted.
louky2 1 year ago
Amen sister!...=0)
rubi411 1 year ago
amen! haha worship[ and praise even through tough times!
gah shes awesome!
peerBREAKDOWNS 1 year ago
thanks, peppermint patty!
mrynkd 1 year ago
Amen, Kim)))
MaxOsadchenko 1 year ago
Amen Kim!
branlynnlewis 1 year ago
i believe that Kim has the ability to hear from God and kinda based on her song "where you go i go " if God wanted a song to be sang that she is so connected with him that, that would be on her heart and she would become passionate about the song because it is the will of God....and worship is worship like she said it is all about God, so maybe some one would appreciate a downer song but worship is the time to focus on GOD! and who are we to nit pick everything, right?
cdmarsenault 2 years ago
Sometimes you have to tune in to that brokenness to get past it. Music is an amazing catalyst for that. Also as a worship leader or musician, I dont think your heart CAN always be totally in every song...at least not in my experience. When you sing, out of obedience, god will show up regardless.
tiptonmusic 2 years ago 20
@tiptonmusic Singing out of obedience.... where's the intimacy in that? It's all about intimacy with God, it's all about a relationship with Him. This is not a religion. Christianity is not a religion. It should not be viewed as a religion. It should be viewed as a love for the lover of our soul, or in other words: INTIMACY. It's so selfish to think that God will show up when we praise out of obedience. It's like you expect Him to be obedient to US because we're obedient to Him.
whateveryo69 1 year ago
I think it can work both ways. What Kim said is obviously ideal, but at the same time I believe stepping up when you are the only option to lead a song is an act of worship in itself, and that is inspiring. Jesus culture are obviously not short of options though :)
joelomatic2000 11 months ago
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joelomatic2000 11 months ago
Having said that, I can't imagine it leading people as effectively when it doesn't align with your heart.
joelomatic2000 11 months ago 2
I can understand and agree with Kim while I also see the value of the "broken" songs... I think there is truth to both perspectives. Time of worship is coming before our Lord with all that we are right where we are. Some people to have a brokenness that they desire to bring to him and receive His Victory over it... it is the variety of us that also honors our Creator. He knows where you are and wants conversation with you. Daily act of worship (lifestyle) is coming before Him with Christ.
nettestreasures 2 years ago
Amen Kim
^^
pestopollux 2 years ago 2
hmmmm....kim said worship is for God, but she will not sing a song that she can't be passionate about. i just thought that maybe saying that is, in itself, self serving. what if, the Holy Spirit, wanted for a worship leader to sing a song that that worship leader is not passionate about? what if there's a song that will minister to the people but the worship team won't sing it because they are not passionate about it? is it our passion that we follow or the Lord's bidding? just my thoughts.
emmanuelibus 2 years ago 3
If God has a message he wants to get across to His people then He will make it happen.
mrbmess 2 years ago
Well If you sing a song that you cant be passionate about or its not comimg from your heart then how is that worship? Worship is a matter of the heart becasue if the words that are coming out of your mouth are not true and arnt coming from every fiber of your being then you are JUST singing words its just music its just instruments ect.
OnFireForJC19 2 years ago 2
Its not coming from you. so how could God except your worship if its not straight from your heart? and someone in that kind of position in leadership has to be intune with the Holy Spirit. I hoped that helped you to understand better.
OnFireForJC19 2 years ago
My counter to your comment would be that, if the Holy Spirit wanted for the worship leader to put a specific song into the set, and the worship leader is truly in tune with God's plan and desires, the worship leader will become passionate about that song and the Lord will get His way. That song will be put on the leader's heart. Put another way, an in-tune leader will be passionate about the songs that the Lord is passionate about; the interests will align.
TheKeyboardDrummer 2 years ago
Well said! I'm with you on that one
baBristow 2 years ago
@emmanuelibus God has a way of making things our desire, should we follow his plans. I'm sure if God gave them a song to sing, the passion would be amazing when the time comes.
gsvetcos 2 years ago
I'm sure if the HOLY SPIRIT wanted her to do, It would allow her to feel the song "passionately"
melvincoleguitar07 1 year ago
@emmanuelibus Uhh were you listening? she said that the reason she is not passionate about the songs is because their "me" centered instead of God centered.
Aphoresis 1 year ago 2
this is simply amazing.
i really needed to hear those words (even if i did know some things)
anitag92 2 years ago
Wow...I SO needed to hear this! As a co worship leader, i am presented songs to learn and sometimes its so difficult for me cause I hear the song and while the song is great, it doesn't resonate within me and sometimes people get upset with me because I won't learn the song. Kim has totally validated my feelings and has not made me feel silly. I'm sending this video to others on my worship team.
afarrcry 2 years ago 3
@afarrcry YOU WON"T LEARN THE SONG? WORSHIP IS NOT ABOUT YOU ITS ABOUT THE CHURCH. I CAN SEE HOW A SONG WOULD BE MORE DIFFICULT TO LEARN IF ITS NOT UR FAVORITE BIT YOU "WONT" LEARN THE SONG? THATS SELFISH AND IMMATURE.
JCMySoulsBoast 10 months ago
That right there is why Kim is Kim.
She doesn't take control of her worship she focuses on God and lets him take control.
MaintainColor 2 years ago
Christ's work and Grace is why Kim is Kim I think.
PhoenixDei 2 years ago
"I know the Psalms say...but I feel that...."
hobopotato 2 years ago
AMEN!!!!!!!!
I love this! :)
Saraishollywood 2 years ago
Amen Kim ! heheh :)
God Bless you Kim, very talented !
Lukcv88 2 years ago
So Amazing!
jordandmiller 2 years ago
Thanks for this Kim
matt526 2 years ago
I can learn so much from Kim Walker about worship. she is so passionate
v8greenmachine 2 years ago
:) amazing
sparklepurple17 2 years ago
thats awesome. i love this.
duhustink 2 years ago
YES!!
scottAZNmorrison 2 years ago
I just came across this right now. I love this! I am in a Worship Team and am a worship leader, and this is helping me a lot! I am going to re-post this to my friends and pass it along.
Thank God!!!!!!!!!!!
:]]] I am so much in love with Him!
ohhdangmary 2 years ago 2
Amen Kari
cupcakeheaven777 2 years ago
omg-ness thank you soo much this needs to be re-posted on all the worship leaders fb,myspace,twitter, youtubes , xanga, wahtever amen Kim!!! Its all about Father son & Holy Spirit not us
spiderman1fan 2 years ago
amen.. that's right! preach it!
gomaoong 2 years ago 14