with respect, the factual information is the Obama inhertited these deficits, and the true cost of the war was 3 trillion, not 3 billion." Bush inherited a surplus, and left with trillions in debt. Peace, I will not contact you again.
My information is Obama's 3 (three) over TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICITS! If u cant even see factual information, please don't contact me again, because you might as well be deaf and blind. I know, any criticism is racism. Please... grow up. Id vote for Allen West or Herman Cain anytime. But a man who helped destroys the African American community as well as our free-market system gets no love from me. His love affair with Muslim Brotherhood shud wake u up, but u appear dead in yer head!
Jung wrote"The psychological rule is that when an inner situation is not made conscious it happens on the outside,as fate. "
This is so true in our culture where introspection is not valued and most people are totally unaware if their deep split and inner conflicts,and so they get acted out in families and in things like the war in Iraq which killed 100's of thousands and got us into into terrible financial debt.
@Raina430 Sorry to knock you off your "I Heart Barak" soapbox, but the debt in Iraq is CHICKENFEED (less than 3 billion) compared to "Mr. Transparency-I-Really-Like-Mao tseDung's" 14 TRILLION by the time Obama-Fascist-Care takes us all into Tyranny and Slavery.
@obiwan1947 You lack information. The person who put us into financial crisis was GW Bush. Fear rules the republicans, and Obama hatred is blatant racism, since none of the criticism is based by facts. Many republicans are driven by terror, because they are not capable of looking within. All they find there are infantile values, arrested development, and a primitive need to control all change so that we can maintain the illusion of permanence. All this is the opposite of what Jung stood for.
illumanati 1526 started the JESUITS, 1540 Jesuits Oath infiltrate other religions & destroy them, see Jesuit infiltration, NWO has the world drugged thru Cola's Sodium is Hex ACID see films at FluorideAlert, take magnesium, pure water add 1/4 tsp Iodized Sea Salt per gal, ADDICtION to Cola broke in two weeks, Depression cured tired feeling cured
During this intense period, Jung was struck by the synchronicity of finding a dead kingfisher, a bird rarely seen around Zurich, in his garden by the lakeshore. Thereafter, Philemon played an important role in Jungs fantasies.1 To Jung, he represented superior insight and was like a guru to him.
@obiwan1947 One of my favorite passages in Jungian literature is on p.28-29 of Memories, Dreams, Reflections. Jung confuses syllogistic logic (a=b, b=c,a=c) with algebra (a=a). That is a tautology. Obiwan, Jung went through his entire life discarding logic and favoring tautology. He is comfortable with archetypes which he iinvents. He is comfortable with psychological types which he invents. He is comfortable with collective unconscious which is a garbage bag that he can put anything into.
@Darrell861 It's interesting that you term your desire to criticize "a favorite passage." I happen to have that book handy and what Jung is doing is describing his inability AS A CHILD to swallow the rote assumptions of establishment thinking. I find it daring and inspirational. Freud also "made-up" terms such as "ego, super-ego and id." Perhaps you should read Teddy Roosevelt's speech on the "Arena". "It is not the critic who counts..." instead of throwing around your new word: "tautology"
@obiwan1947 "All my life it remained a puzzle to me..."p.28 This confusion on Jung's part was not just a childhood issue. It followed him throughout his life. A=A is a tautology which is not a new word. It means that one has not said anything that translates into practical terms. Once Jung immersed himself in tautology, he could interpret dreams and make any dream mean what he wanted it to mean, even dreams of people he never met. He could invent archetypes at will. So could his followers.
@Darrell861 The "new word" is meant to describe your attachment to this word. It's silly. You have nothing to say to a man who has touched many people beyond the middle-class egotism, and you announce, rather shamelessly, that his interpretations are all value-less, while you offer nothing but the criticism of a bystander. The only practical terms one can come to in psychology is from HS Sullivan, but the work of Jung has great value for those capable of mind-outside-the-box.
@Darrell861 Who cares? Even logic can only get you so far in life. Once you go through all your syllogisms, then what? What the fuck do you end up finding out? Nothing. The mind is absurd and bizarre. There is no syllogism that tells you psychological truths. Humans are contradictory creatures. I blame Plato for all this so-called truth. Life is has no rules. People are delusional in thinking so.
@cneberg No, that's what I am trying to say. There is no grand ultimate truth, aside from what puts food on our table and gets us through each day. The truth is what works in the world. Logic gets us truth to an extent. But truth cannot be summed up. Everything that has been said about truth from Plato until now has been re-hashed and re-thought over and over again, only expressed in numerous ways.
@obiwan1947 “At that time (1907) I analyzed at least at least four thousand dreams a year.” –CW3, par.557, 1957 “I have made it a rule to remind myself that I can never understand somebody else’s dream well enough to interpret it correctly".—Man And His Symbols, p.42,1961 Jung contradictshimself. He claimed to have the ability to interpret dreams. In the practice of psychiatry, that claim is unethical. No one has the ability to interpret dreams. Unless it is is the dreamer himself.
Philemon In Memories, Jung recalled that Philemon first appeared to him in a dream. Jung saw a sea blue sky, covered by brown clods of earth that appeared to be breaking apart. Out of the blue, he saw an old man with kingfisher wings and the horns of a bull flying across the sky, carrying a bunch of keys. After the dream, Jung painted the image, as he did not understand it.
Partial accounts of this period may be found in the notes of his seminar given in 1925 on Analytical Psychology, prepared by Cary Baynes, and also in Aniela Jaffés biography, Memories, Dreams, Reflections, published posthumously in a heavily edited form. In these, Jung narrated some of the decisive experiences and spoke of a few of the fantasy figures that he encountered. One of the most significant was Philemon.
He later called this method active imagination and made its use a part of clinical practice and analytic exploration. In retrospect, he stated that the material that emerged during this period and his attempt to shape and comprehend it formed the basis for the work of the rest of his life.
IN 1913, JUNG ENGAGED IN A LENGTHY PERIOD of self-investigation that he termed the confrontation with the unconscious. As a form of psychological self-experimentation, he decided to provoke fantasies in a waking state, and thereafter to attempt to interpret their significance and integrate their contents into consciousness.
Jung could provoke these fantasies in an awake state....is this to say that he had a special ability to do this or is it possible for everyone? Did he ever mention how he would get into the frame of mind when trying to provoke these fantasies?
@ottersberg2 It is Jung himself who painted this... this man used to appear in Jung’s dreams... he called it a kind of guard... I’m not sure but I think it symbolizes the uncontious itself...
I would kill to talk to this man. Seriously.
juresaiyan 5 months ago
@juresaiyan me too and Freud!!!!!!!! especially after his (JUNG) trip to India.
sensualwisdom570 5 months ago
with respect, the factual information is the Obama inhertited these deficits, and the true cost of the war was 3 trillion, not 3 billion." Bush inherited a surplus, and left with trillions in debt. Peace, I will not contact you again.
Raina430 7 months ago
My information is Obama's 3 (three) over TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICITS! If u cant even see factual information, please don't contact me again, because you might as well be deaf and blind. I know, any criticism is racism. Please... grow up. Id vote for Allen West or Herman Cain anytime. But a man who helped destroys the African American community as well as our free-market system gets no love from me. His love affair with Muslim Brotherhood shud wake u up, but u appear dead in yer head!
obiwan1947 7 months ago
Jung wrote"The psychological rule is that when an inner situation is not made conscious it happens on the outside,as fate. "
This is so true in our culture where introspection is not valued and most people are totally unaware if their deep split and inner conflicts,and so they get acted out in families and in things like the war in Iraq which killed 100's of thousands and got us into into terrible financial debt.
Raina430 7 months ago
@Raina430 Sorry to knock you off your "I Heart Barak" soapbox, but the debt in Iraq is CHICKENFEED (less than 3 billion) compared to "Mr. Transparency-I-Really-Like-Mao tseDung's" 14 TRILLION by the time Obama-Fascist-Care takes us all into Tyranny and Slavery.
You are correct about Jung's quote, however.
obiwan1947 7 months ago
@obiwan1947 You lack information. The person who put us into financial crisis was GW Bush. Fear rules the republicans, and Obama hatred is blatant racism, since none of the criticism is based by facts. Many republicans are driven by terror, because they are not capable of looking within. All they find there are infantile values, arrested development, and a primitive need to control all change so that we can maintain the illusion of permanence. All this is the opposite of what Jung stood for.
Raina430 7 months ago
1 individual is afraid of their own shadow.
willyrobinson 9 months ago
@willyrobinson That is very wily of you, robinson...
obiwan1947 9 months ago
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ThePoltergueist 1 year ago
illumanati 1526 started the JESUITS, 1540 Jesuits Oath infiltrate other religions & destroy them, see Jesuit infiltration, NWO has the world drugged thru Cola's Sodium is Hex ACID see films at FluorideAlert, take magnesium, pure water add 1/4 tsp Iodized Sea Salt per gal, ADDICtION to Cola broke in two weeks, Depression cured tired feeling cured
deadadelta 1 year ago
@deadadelta maybe, its religion you should fear and not the NWO.
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deadadelta 1 year ago
Very inspiring. Thank you for sharing !
Machauer 2 years ago
Part 5
During this intense period, Jung was struck by the synchronicity of finding a dead kingfisher, a bird rarely seen around Zurich, in his garden by the lakeshore. Thereafter, Philemon played an important role in Jungs fantasies.1 To Jung, he represented superior insight and was like a guru to him.
obiwan1947 2 years ago
@obiwan1947 One of my favorite passages in Jungian literature is on p.28-29 of Memories, Dreams, Reflections. Jung confuses syllogistic logic (a=b, b=c,a=c) with algebra (a=a). That is a tautology. Obiwan, Jung went through his entire life discarding logic and favoring tautology. He is comfortable with archetypes which he iinvents. He is comfortable with psychological types which he invents. He is comfortable with collective unconscious which is a garbage bag that he can put anything into.
Darrell861 1 year ago
@Darrell861 It's interesting that you term your desire to criticize "a favorite passage." I happen to have that book handy and what Jung is doing is describing his inability AS A CHILD to swallow the rote assumptions of establishment thinking. I find it daring and inspirational. Freud also "made-up" terms such as "ego, super-ego and id." Perhaps you should read Teddy Roosevelt's speech on the "Arena". "It is not the critic who counts..." instead of throwing around your new word: "tautology"
obiwan1947 1 year ago
@obiwan1947 "All my life it remained a puzzle to me..."p.28 This confusion on Jung's part was not just a childhood issue. It followed him throughout his life. A=A is a tautology which is not a new word. It means that one has not said anything that translates into practical terms. Once Jung immersed himself in tautology, he could interpret dreams and make any dream mean what he wanted it to mean, even dreams of people he never met. He could invent archetypes at will. So could his followers.
Darrell861 1 year ago
@Darrell861 The "new word" is meant to describe your attachment to this word. It's silly. You have nothing to say to a man who has touched many people beyond the middle-class egotism, and you announce, rather shamelessly, that his interpretations are all value-less, while you offer nothing but the criticism of a bystander. The only practical terms one can come to in psychology is from HS Sullivan, but the work of Jung has great value for those capable of mind-outside-the-box.
obiwan1947 1 year ago
@Darrell861 Who cares? Even logic can only get you so far in life. Once you go through all your syllogisms, then what? What the fuck do you end up finding out? Nothing. The mind is absurd and bizarre. There is no syllogism that tells you psychological truths. Humans are contradictory creatures. I blame Plato for all this so-called truth. Life is has no rules. People are delusional in thinking so.
driekone 1 year ago
@driekone So I guess that's THE TRUTH;)
cneberg 1 year ago
@cneberg No, that's what I am trying to say. There is no grand ultimate truth, aside from what puts food on our table and gets us through each day. The truth is what works in the world. Logic gets us truth to an extent. But truth cannot be summed up. Everything that has been said about truth from Plato until now has been re-hashed and re-thought over and over again, only expressed in numerous ways.
driekone 1 year ago
@obiwan1947 “At that time (1907) I analyzed at least at least four thousand dreams a year.” –CW3, par.557, 1957 “I have made it a rule to remind myself that I can never understand somebody else’s dream well enough to interpret it correctly".—Man And His Symbols, p.42,1961 Jung contradictshimself. He claimed to have the ability to interpret dreams. In the practice of psychiatry, that claim is unethical. No one has the ability to interpret dreams. Unless it is is the dreamer himself.
Darrell861 1 year ago
Part 4
Philemon In Memories, Jung recalled that Philemon first appeared to him in a dream. Jung saw a sea blue sky, covered by brown clods of earth that appeared to be breaking apart. Out of the blue, he saw an old man with kingfisher wings and the horns of a bull flying across the sky, carrying a bunch of keys. After the dream, Jung painted the image, as he did not understand it.
obiwan1947 2 years ago
Part 3
Partial accounts of this period may be found in the notes of his seminar given in 1925 on Analytical Psychology, prepared by Cary Baynes, and also in Aniela Jaffés biography, Memories, Dreams, Reflections, published posthumously in a heavily edited form. In these, Jung narrated some of the decisive experiences and spoke of a few of the fantasy figures that he encountered. One of the most significant was Philemon.
obiwan1947 2 years ago
Part 2
He later called this method active imagination and made its use a part of clinical practice and analytic exploration. In retrospect, he stated that the material that emerged during this period and his attempt to shape and comprehend it formed the basis for the work of the rest of his life.
obiwan1947 2 years ago
Part 1
Regarding the Philemon art at 1:44
IN 1913, JUNG ENGAGED IN A LENGTHY PERIOD of self-investigation that he termed the confrontation with the unconscious. As a form of psychological self-experimentation, he decided to provoke fantasies in a waking state, and thereafter to attempt to interpret their significance and integrate their contents into consciousness.
obiwan1947 2 years ago
Jung could provoke these fantasies in an awake state....is this to say that he had a special ability to do this or is it possible for everyone? Did he ever mention how he would get into the frame of mind when trying to provoke these fantasies?
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ottersberg2 2 years ago
@ottersberg2 It is Jung himself who painted this... this man used to appear in Jung’s dreams... he called it a kind of guard... I’m not sure but I think it symbolizes the uncontious itself...
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