Edgar Mitchell on Neil Armstrong X-Conference 2009

[wahaya2]

The number of people that would have had to keep quiet in order for any fake to actually work would have surely put NASA off from attempting it in the first place. Everyone at NASA, Grumman, North American, all the subcontractors, all the amateur astronomers who independently tracked the spacecraft with radar as the missions were ongoing - that adds up to hundreds of thousands of people and in the real world it is impossible to keep a secret that big.

[tjrxk7]

Dr. Mitchell is an astro-NOT

[Cosmored]

Neither Mitchel not Armstron ever set foot on the moon. All the Apollo missions were faked in a studio. Here's a link to some of the evidence of a hoax.

3W's (dot) spurstalk (dot) com/forums/showthread (dot) php?t=144487

[wahaya2]

@Cosmored Sorry, but the evidence that the Apollo missions landed on the moon far outweighs any supposed 'evidence' (*cough*bullshit*cough*) that they did dod not.

Retroreflectors on the lunar surface, independent radar tracking of the missions by amateur astronomers and other nations, and so much more besides.

As I once read though, the most convincing piece of evidence that the Apollo missions landed on the moon is the fact that the Soviet Union congratulated the US on it! XD

[Cosmored]

@wahaya2

To see an explanation for the tracking, do a YouTube search on "MoonFaker: Russia, Jodrell Bank & Frequencies". Reflectors can be attached to unmanned robot craft. There's some info on the Soviets in the link I posted.

[wahaya2]

@Cosmored Reflectors can indeed be attached to robotic craft, but is there any proof they were?

What I've noticed about conspiracy theories to do with the moon is that whenever any solid piece of evidence is offered up, an ardent conspiracy theorist will say 'oh, X Y or Z must have happened', no matter how implausible it is, and won't even give the slightest thought to the possibility that in actuality, the most plausible explanation is that the apollo missions landed on the moon.

[Cosmored]

@wahaya2

"but is there any proof they were?"

The fact that it's possible means that reflectors on the moon are not proof that there were people on the moon.

s125 (dot) photobucket (dot) com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/?a­ction=view&current=Roverplants­reflector (dot) mp4

[wahaya2]

@Cosmored But the fact that there are six of them, each right next to a lunar module descent stage, which has been imaged from orbit? They would have had to land them separately if the lunar module wasn't manned, and that sort of accuracy in landings was not possible in the 60s.

You talk a lot about possibility. It is theoretically possible that NASA faked everything, but it is ALSO possible that man has walked on the moon. Given the strength of the evidence, the latter seems more plausible.

[wahaya2]

@Cosmored There is a synoptic test known as 'Occam's razor' - in essence, one eliminates successive hypotheses until you arrive at the most likely, or most succint one - the one that requires the least assumptions to be made. It's like the old idea of the earth at the centre of the universe - technically possible, but then the explanations for the apparent motion of the celestial bodies become so complicated that one must inevitably conclude the idea is wrong.The same applies here to some extent

[Cosmored]

@wahaya2

"There is a synoptic test known as 'Occam's razor"

Can you make the evidence in this clip go away with Occam's razor?

/watch?v=ymwE1sNm82Y

[Betamax101]

@Cosmored Yes. my_playlists?p=5B072595E7EC721­0 Occam's razor says it is impossible to move something with air from more than a few inches away. It says flags don't oscillate like that on Earth with air. It says the duration of the movement is way beyond normal motion. It says cameras with triple wheel colour capture and a purpose built CRT are prone to ballooning effects. It also says that you are a spamming imbecile.

debunking-a-moron DOT blogspot DOT com

Enjoy.

[Cosmored]

@Betamax101

Why do you keep deleting this link from the comment section of your videos when I post it?

politicalforum (dot) com/moon-landing/190138-apollo­-moon-missions-were-faked-stud­io (dot) html

Is it because you destroyed your credibility in post #43?

[Betamax101]

@Cosmored The emphasis on the words "keep" and "post it" !

I delete it because it is spam. You are a serial spammer who makes no effort to debate. You just spammed that link here. You are a sick individual.

watch?v=52dNmDFvxew

People should go to that thread and read through it. Especially post 43, demonstrating how much of a jerk you are, avoiding debate at all costs.

[TracyAndersonFoxhunt]

that's dumb for Mitchell to mention a story that he doesn't know is true or not - that India thing. Mitchell is a little off sometimes... Gene Cernan called him "goofy" in his book 'Last Man on the Moon'

[FantasticBob7000]

@TracyAndersonFoxhunt I'm going to have to check out Cernan's book again, I don't remember him talking about Mitchell. But I agree the Neil in India story sounds out of character for Neil and Mitchell shouldn't have told it without knowing if it's true.

Cernan seems like a good judge of character, his take on Buzz, Neil, Frank Borman, and others is pretty spot on.

[TracyAndersonFoxhunt]

@FantasticBob7000 hi. yeah, Gene didn't say much about Ed, but as I recall, he said only a brief mention of Ed Mitchell - something to the effect of... Mitchell was a competent astronaut until "....he started acting goofy." I'm positive Gene called Ed "goofy". I do remember that. Ed is very much into ESP and stuff like that. Ed has a book out called 'The Way of the Explorer' which mostly talks about 'transcendentalism' or something like that

[FantasticBob7000]

@TracyAndersonFoxhunt Yeah I just checked, he said Slayton almost pulled Mitchell off the flight because of his distraction from the mission with his ESP experiments. It bothered Al Shepard too (and Cernan, his backup) too, but they decided Mitchell was too good on the LEM systems and it was too close to launch date to replace him. Joe Engle would have taken his place.

[johndownunder]

Dr Mitchell a man of real character.

[Abdulrahman711]

this is amazing...