Aren't Grammar Schools on the same principal us Russian Socialists used in the cold war? Lifting bright children out of ordinary schools and putting them in special schools for the brighter pupils.
@ampersandtay Between the early 1960s and the late 1990s, the Labour Party was taken over by adherents to the Frankfurt school of cultural Marxism (if you do not know much about this school of philosophy, I highly recommend reading about it, as it is explains every thing from high taxation to sex-education). Comprehensive education was seen as a method of indoctrination to replace the academic rigour of traditional education based on an accepted canon of facts.
If you want to know what grammer shcools do or general education does .. Just Visit Thailand ( They cant add 2+2 or speak English and as for abilty to manage a company its ZERO ) then support this party
Of course it makes sense to give bright children from poorer backgrounds the best chance but we also need to provide high quality education for other sectors of the workforce. We do still have a manufacturing base and we also need skilled people for construction, hospitality, driving, agriculture etc. I firmly believe that everybody is good at something and I believe UKIP policy is to provide technical and specialist schools to address this.
@kcirdrab As a UKIPer and someone who enjoys Germany, I would agree with you. They teach economics and money management in German schools, and many European countries teach a second language from a very early age. Both of these things are aspects of education most of our schools have neglected. I think learning French/German/Spanish from an early age and learning how an economy runs would make our kids less insular, and would be beneficial in the long term.
I love UKIP, it represents everything that I believe in, we can make Britain strong again, vote Nigel and it may take a while, but we'll see the good times come again
@optionsupdate The grammar system was seen by liberal left wingers as elitist. All children deserve the same education no matter what their background or ability. Of course that's utter tripe. As I progressed from primary to secondary school (1975), the difference was explained to me, even at that age I knew I was being ripped off
UKIP should have a good long analytical look at the German education system which is way ahead of ours & a modern system focussed on children's talents rather than hidebound class attitudes from a bygone age, regressing to the 1950's in education with a re-imposition of the terror & wastage of the 11+ is a hugely regressive step & a big voter turn off
Farage's old public school-boy anyway & has no personal experience in this area
UKIP has to guard against becoming old world Tory throwbacks
@Cockwallet Yes, & unfortnately the 11+ sustem consigned those who don't excel academically to a patronising 3rd rate scrap heap, being taught labour skills that no longer have any relevance to England's economy now its manufacturing base has gone.
A system designed for 20% leaving the other 80% to rot is not what England needs in the 21st Century
@Cockwallet how will u select without an 11+ (or version of it), & what's to be done with the 80% that fails it?
Regressing back to a system that essentiially ditches the 80% is highly regressive & a vote killer
The principle behind grammars is that a small minority r provided with v. good resources whilst the majority r ditched in sub-standard non-academic institutions, this had some relevance to England's economy in the 1950s, now it would societally a highly damaging throwback
Last night (05-01) BBC4 started a series about Grammar schools, it confirmed what I'd long thought and I wish I'd had the opportunity. As it was I was caught in the cross over from grammar to comprehensive and moved across country, what a mess that made of my education in 1973. By going comprehensive I believe a whole sector of society and particularly boys, became disenfranchised.
This was further exacerbated by lumping all trade skills, metalwork, woodwork, arts and crafts under an umbrella subject, the same applies to history, R.E and geography under 'humanities'.
Aren't Grammar Schools on the same principal us Russian Socialists used in the cold war? Lifting bright children out of ordinary schools and putting them in special schools for the brighter pupils.
Why is Labour so against this?
ampersandtay 1 month ago
@ampersandtay Between the early 1960s and the late 1990s, the Labour Party was taken over by adherents to the Frankfurt school of cultural Marxism (if you do not know much about this school of philosophy, I highly recommend reading about it, as it is explains every thing from high taxation to sex-education). Comprehensive education was seen as a method of indoctrination to replace the academic rigour of traditional education based on an accepted canon of facts.
SkullOfYorick 1 month ago
@SkullOfYorick Thanks, I'll see what I can find on the subject
ampersandtay 1 month ago
If you want to know what grammer shcools do or general education does .. Just Visit Thailand ( They cant add 2+2 or speak English and as for abilty to manage a company its ZERO ) then support this party
adswu2008 2 months ago
Of course it makes sense to give bright children from poorer backgrounds the best chance but we also need to provide high quality education for other sectors of the workforce. We do still have a manufacturing base and we also need skilled people for construction, hospitality, driving, agriculture etc. I firmly believe that everybody is good at something and I believe UKIP policy is to provide technical and specialist schools to address this.
TheStephmcw 2 months ago
@kcirdrab As a UKIPer and someone who enjoys Germany, I would agree with you. They teach economics and money management in German schools, and many European countries teach a second language from a very early age. Both of these things are aspects of education most of our schools have neglected. I think learning French/German/Spanish from an early age and learning how an economy runs would make our kids less insular, and would be beneficial in the long term.
Mrlaissezfaire90 2 months ago 3
@Mrlaissezfaire90 agreed
kcirdrab 2 months ago
I love UKIP, it represents everything that I believe in, we can make Britain strong again, vote Nigel and it may take a while, but we'll see the good times come again
FredrickDeSherlock 2 months ago 6
what is really behind closing down grammar schools?
optionsupdate 2 months ago
@optionsupdate The grammar system was seen by liberal left wingers as elitist. All children deserve the same education no matter what their background or ability. Of course that's utter tripe. As I progressed from primary to secondary school (1975), the difference was explained to me, even at that age I knew I was being ripped off
750triton 2 months ago
@750triton yep someone is trying to harm the children of the UK, did u send me a video in your reply?
optionsupdate 2 months ago
@optionsupdate No I didn't send a video
750triton 2 months ago
UKIP should have a good long analytical look at the German education system which is way ahead of ours & a modern system focussed on children's talents rather than hidebound class attitudes from a bygone age, regressing to the 1950's in education with a re-imposition of the terror & wastage of the 11+ is a hugely regressive step & a big voter turn off
Farage's old public school-boy anyway & has no personal experience in this area
UKIP has to guard against becoming old world Tory throwbacks
kcirdrab 2 months ago
@kcirdrab
Grammar schools are based on "children's talents" as you put it, by giving the ones who excel academically a tougher, better education
Cockwallet 2 months ago
@Cockwallet Yes, & unfortnately the 11+ sustem consigned those who don't excel academically to a patronising 3rd rate scrap heap, being taught labour skills that no longer have any relevance to England's economy now its manufacturing base has gone.
A system designed for 20% leaving the other 80% to rot is not what England needs in the 21st Century
kcirdrab 2 months ago
@kcirdrab
i dont see anyone specifically campaigning to bring back 11+ or teach industrial manufacturing jobs to kids who dont get into grammar schools
it's the principle of academic selection
Cockwallet 2 months ago
@Cockwallet how will u select without an 11+ (or version of it), & what's to be done with the 80% that fails it?
Regressing back to a system that essentiially ditches the 80% is highly regressive & a vote killer
The principle behind grammars is that a small minority r provided with v. good resources whilst the majority r ditched in sub-standard non-academic institutions, this had some relevance to England's economy in the 1950s, now it would societally a highly damaging throwback
kcirdrab 2 months ago
Last night (05-01) BBC4 started a series about Grammar schools, it confirmed what I'd long thought and I wish I'd had the opportunity. As it was I was caught in the cross over from grammar to comprehensive and moved across country, what a mess that made of my education in 1973. By going comprehensive I believe a whole sector of society and particularly boys, became disenfranchised.
750triton 2 months ago
@750triton continued after character limit;
This was further exacerbated by lumping all trade skills, metalwork, woodwork, arts and crafts under an umbrella subject, the same applies to history, R.E and geography under 'humanities'.
750triton 2 months ago