Honestly, both amazing, i would say evenly amazing. Brodeur has better record than roi but he also had a better defensive team to back him up. I'd say that makes it even.
That decision had already been made the last time those two squared off for the Stanley Cup. It was so long ago that I can't even remember the year but Roy takes the gold hands down.
They're both great goalies, but Brodeur was on a team with amazing defence (Niedermayer, Stevens, Rafakski, & Daneyko holy crap!) that trapped the crap out of every game.
Not that the Avs or Habs had bad D (Blake, Foote, Bourque on the Avs; Robinson & Chelios on the Habs) but they weren't on the same page.
No coincidence that after Niedermayer & Stevens left after '04 the Devils never got out of the 2nd round.
Plus, in their head-to-head match-up, Roy won. Gotta give it to Patrick Roy.
i think the sad part is that brodeur is gonna retire either this year or next year, and hockey will lose both the greatest goalies, I would pick Brodeur because of all the accolades he has, he holds more records than Roy, but Roy is still the 2nd best, and extremely close behind Brodeur, and to everyone saying Roy revolutionized the butterfly stance, just so you all know Brodeur revolutionized the HYBRID stance, its a very close call, but devils fans say it the best, MARTY'S BETTER! MB30 FTW
Brodeur easy! Patrick always had a beast of a team to play in front of him. Brodeur did not always have one. New Jersey has only been dominant for the last 15 years ish. Although Roy would still have the wins record if his career didn't get cut short, Marty has done a lot more
both are good, but i have to give the gold to roy. if you think about, it roy made brodeur better. the reason brodeur is so good is that roy brought butterfly to the nhl. so goalies tried doing butterfly but brodeur never uses it, so people were being trained against butterfly goalies, so playing against brodeur was like playing against a new style, so nobody knew how to play it, but if roy hadnt brought butterfly, every goalie would have been playing like brodeur, and he would be just a goalie.
@rfmapleleafs he got 5 more mins because he made 5 mins more worth of good saves. why? because roy is that much better than brodeur..... and he always will be.
@MrTurnupthevolume no... cuz whoever made this is a Roy fan... anyone else notice that Roy, for whatever reason whether on purpose or his style, gave up enormous rebounds and had to keep saving himself? the detroit one is a prime example... 2 big rebounds... He was still one of the best, as is Brodeur....much better? no Brodeur had an amazing arsenal of skills, Roy was just Butterfly king
@silfocus84 then tell me this, whats he king of? why did he lose the stanley cup finals the one time he was against Roy? tell me good answers to these questions then ill think about saying brodeur isnt so much worse than Roy.
tim thomas is the great goalie of the now, right now he can go toe to toe with broduer and ruy, BUT I WANT TO GET THIS ACROSS, he is not a hall of famer as of NOW he is playing better than them
Patrick Roy evolved the Goaler's impact for the Ice Hockey game. Patrick Roy made possible for goalie to worth and earn money like a superstar scorer. Patrick Roy made this with a weak team. Brodeur followed his track with an ultra-defensive team. See who you think the beast goalie is!
It's Brodeur. Roy is definely somewhere on the top 5 but of course Roy is more popular, his team didn't block anyone from the cup :) ($20 says I'm going to get a hurtful reply) :(
any way you look at this there is a argument for both about why they are the best, with all there achievements i don't think anyone can say that one goalie is better. they were both amazing at doing what they do though and that is stopping the puck and winning games
Marty, just look at the numbers. Also he's so much less of a d-bag than Roy was about his team. He had a rough game with the habs and that was it. Marty's had his rough spots with the devils and he's not going anywhere. He's a team player and that's what I respect about him.
Patrick Roy hands down. Martin Broduer is easily the 2nd best of all time but lets look at the facts here. Roy is an 11 time all star, he has 5 Jennings trophies, 3 Vezinas and 3 Conn Smythes and he is the youngest player to win the Conn Smythe as well as the only 3 time winner in history. He is also considered by many to be the father of modern goaltending and the guy who brought the butterfly to the limelight (not the first to use it but the first to use it so well)
Brodeur: 0 Conn Smythe, 4 Vezina, 3 Stanley Cup, 99 playoff wins (I doubt he will ever reach 100).
Speaks for itself, Roy was more valuable when it counted the most, in the playoffs. Brodeur will be remembered as one of the greats, but he can't touch Patrick Roy.
I would pick brodeur over Roy any day, especially since Brodeur doesn't have catastrophic meltdowns that affect his team and he is gonna hvae the most career SO's by the time he retires. But you could win a cup with either guy in your net.
Brodeur's clearly better, I mean his 4 Stanley Cups, his 3 Conn Smythes (which is a record) and the fact that he virtually invented the butterfly and changed the game of hockey altogether. Oh wait... Roy did all that.
Note that I said "virtually". As in he helped promote it and perfect it to what it is today, which is what you see people like Marc-Andre Fleury using. And for all it matters, Roy did invent it. He's the one that started to flare his legs out, not just drop to his knees, which is what Glenn Hall (the actual "inventor") did.
Brodeur is better. Roy has had multiple meltdowns where he's allowed 6 or 7 or even more goals. Brodeur has never had that happen. Brodeur has the most wins in a season, is about to have the most wins ever and either is or does have the most shutouts and has played less seasons than all other goalies whos records he's broken. He's also tied Roy for playoff shutouts and will break that too. Oh, and his all time GAA is better than Roy's too. And that's how you know Brodeur is better.
You're forgetting the fact that Roy played on the mediocre Montreal Canadians for over half his career, while Brodeur plated on the best defensive team in the league. If it's about numbers,Patrick never had a fair chance. Roy was never called the best because of his accomplisments, but because of his drive and ferocity. That was what made him unstoppable in the playoffs.
Sure but he had the likes of Foote, Blake and other good defenseman plus tremendous offensive talent on his team. Brodeur had barely any offensive support. The best defense is a good offense.
Ok, let's talk about Roy's stats. 161 playoff wins. Brodeur needs more than 50 to tie that, and he won't do that. If you try and say that most shutouts means he's the best, think of how much harder it was for Sawchuck to get the 103 he had. Roy will always be better than Brodeur, give it up. 3 Conn Smythes. How many does Brodeur have?
Umm no more SO's doesnt mean hes the best, it's the whole list of records that he's broken that makes him the best. And the only one that Roy has him on is Playoff wins.
You keep telling me to give up as if my point is completely wrong and invalid. I guess a better career GAA and SV% and the fact that he has MORE SO's and wins and LESS losses in LESS seasons means nothing when comparing goalies. Look I'm not trying to down Roy, I'm just saying that when you look at the facts, Brodeur is better. Thus I think YOU should give up. 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezinas (Roy had 3), 4 Jennings speaks for itself. Keep in mind that Brodeur has a good 3-5 years left to win more.
"Best" means in terms of numbers, so Brodeur is the best goalie.
However, if you were tied 0-0 in game 7 of the stanely cup finals in double overtime, which goalie would you rather have in net? One who is known to fall down under pressure or the goalie who thinks the very idea of "pressure" is exciting?
Pressure? Roy let up 7 goals to Detroit in the Western Confrence Finals in 2002. 9 in 1994 or '95 during his last game with the Habs. When Roy gets rattled he's useless. Not to mention his temper and attitude. I'd take Brodeur over Roy every time. Call me thickheaded if you want but Roy was too cocky for his own good and he crumbled from it multiple times.
I guess the fact that Roy is 4-1 in finals and Brodeur is 3-2 would make me comfortable with either one of them but if I had the choice I'd take Marty.
You can't act like Brodeur deserved the Vezina last year, no way. He didn't lead in any categories like GAA, Save Percentage, Wins, Shutouts (Nabokov was better in every category). And yeah, Roy let in 9 in his last game in Montreal, because he didn't want to play at all, but the coach wouldn't let him come out. And without Roy, there wouldn't be goaltending today, there wouldn't be a butterfly. Roy had 10 overtime wins in the playoffs his rookie season. He had no offense, he was the whole team.
"He had no offense, he was the whole team." I can say the same exact thing for Brodeur. And once Stevens left he continued to put up consistently good numbers. Like I said before, more wins, shutouts, and playoff shutouts all in less seasons.
Esposito first used the butterfly, if it wasn't for him, there would be no butterfly style, without Roy, it wouldn't have been popular, Also Roy had 10 overtime victories in 93, not his rookie year.
Good catch, i was drunk when I left that. But it wasn't Esposito, they say it was Glenn Hall. I'm too young to have seen either play, but that's what the book "Without Fear" says. It's a pretty sweet book, written by the staff of The Hockey News. Check it out sometime.
Truthfully, I had just watched a video on Tony Esposito at that time and they were talking about his style and how he was like a father to the butterfly style or something, so yeah, I am subscribed to THN, but I doubt I will get it through that, so maybe i will
@powwerranger not at all. roy has done WAY better than brodeur. roy almost singlehandedly led the habs to 2 stanley cups and led the avs two cups. he has 3 conn smythes which is more than anyone including gretzky (who he has deked before) so roy is just better.
there both great goalies! but any true hockey fan knows that has at least watched hockey for 10 years that roy is better. dont get me wrong broduer is great in his own way but roy is the best goalie of all time.
Honestly, both amazing, i would say evenly amazing. Brodeur has better record than roi but he also had a better defensive team to back him up. I'd say that makes it even.
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That decision had already been made the last time those two squared off for the Stanley Cup. It was so long ago that I can't even remember the year but Roy takes the gold hands down.
ProtectandServe21 2 months ago
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ProtectandServe21 2 months ago
i'm not anti roy but i feel that the amount of time given to brodeur is much less and thats y i disagree with you mr turnupthevolume.
skinnyboyjerk97 3 months ago
They're both great goalies, but Brodeur was on a team with amazing defence (Niedermayer, Stevens, Rafakski, & Daneyko holy crap!) that trapped the crap out of every game.
Not that the Avs or Habs had bad D (Blake, Foote, Bourque on the Avs; Robinson & Chelios on the Habs) but they weren't on the same page.
No coincidence that after Niedermayer & Stevens left after '04 the Devils never got out of the 2nd round.
Plus, in their head-to-head match-up, Roy won. Gotta give it to Patrick Roy.
TheSkookumchuk 3 months ago
martin brodeur
ripjoebg1 4 months ago 2
i think the sad part is that brodeur is gonna retire either this year or next year, and hockey will lose both the greatest goalies, I would pick Brodeur because of all the accolades he has, he holds more records than Roy, but Roy is still the 2nd best, and extremely close behind Brodeur, and to everyone saying Roy revolutionized the butterfly stance, just so you all know Brodeur revolutionized the HYBRID stance, its a very close call, but devils fans say it the best, MARTY'S BETTER! MB30 FTW
G0r3gasm 4 months ago
Man Roi was the best in Montreal...what a dumpass compilation!
pokeysaurus1 6 months ago
Brodeur easy! Patrick always had a beast of a team to play in front of him. Brodeur did not always have one. New Jersey has only been dominant for the last 15 years ish. Although Roy would still have the wins record if his career didn't get cut short, Marty has done a lot more
xXxRawkFistxXx 6 months ago
Roy= Best of all time and will always be! martin broduer=Pussy
MrFlyersFreak 6 months ago
@MrFlyersFreak no broduer is 2nd best .... no doubt roy is best though
TheEmergencyJamUnit 6 months ago
Patrick Roy
nyrangersfan24 6 months ago
bs wrong mrturnupthevolume
rfmapleleafs 6 months ago
Roy definently he had more heart
patrickRoy33kaw 6 months ago
Roy all the way
theryguyx8 6 months ago
JONATHAN QUICK
tre6263 7 months ago
both are good, but i have to give the gold to roy. if you think about, it roy made brodeur better. the reason brodeur is so good is that roy brought butterfly to the nhl. so goalies tried doing butterfly but brodeur never uses it, so people were being trained against butterfly goalies, so playing against brodeur was like playing against a new style, so nobody knew how to play it, but if roy hadnt brought butterfly, every goalie would have been playing like brodeur, and he would be just a goalie.
LTrojanowski1 7 months ago 2
roy got 5 more minutes then brodeur. and brodeurs better
rfmapleleafs 7 months ago
@rfmapleleafs he got 5 more mins because he made 5 mins more worth of good saves. why? because roy is that much better than brodeur..... and he always will be.
MrTurnupthevolume 6 months ago
@MrTurnupthevolume no... cuz whoever made this is a Roy fan... anyone else notice that Roy, for whatever reason whether on purpose or his style, gave up enormous rebounds and had to keep saving himself? the detroit one is a prime example... 2 big rebounds... He was still one of the best, as is Brodeur....much better? no Brodeur had an amazing arsenal of skills, Roy was just Butterfly king
silfocus84 6 months ago
@silfocus84 then tell me this, whats he king of? why did he lose the stanley cup finals the one time he was against Roy? tell me good answers to these questions then ill think about saying brodeur isnt so much worse than Roy.
MrTurnupthevolume 6 months ago
Roy
Suko620 7 months ago
this song defines goaltending
NewCaliGaming 7 months ago
tim thomas is the great goalie of the now, right now he can go toe to toe with broduer and ruy, BUT I WANT TO GET THIS ACROSS, he is not a hall of famer as of NOW he is playing better than them
patsfan4life99 8 months ago
@patsfan4life99 Okay you know what?... FUCK you tim thomas is a fucking dwarf.
backuganhelper 7 months ago
@backuganhelper that maybe so but cough cough * stanley cup and con smyth* cough cough
patsfan4life99 7 months ago
THOMAS IS A BEAST SO YA !!!!!!!!!!!!
SCcrzykangaroo 8 months ago
Patrick Roy evolved the Goaler's impact for the Ice Hockey game. Patrick Roy made possible for goalie to worth and earn money like a superstar scorer. Patrick Roy made this with a weak team. Brodeur followed his track with an ultra-defensive team. See who you think the beast goalie is!
SlaterQC 8 months ago
Ryan Miller, btw the first "save" for brodeur went wide :)
x30xSabresFan 8 months ago
It's Brodeur. Roy is definely somewhere on the top 5 but of course Roy is more popular, his team didn't block anyone from the cup :) ($20 says I'm going to get a hurtful reply) :(
000Redhawk 9 months ago
roy is way better
GOLD3NxHAWKx21 10 months ago
any way you look at this there is a argument for both about why they are the best, with all there achievements i don't think anyone can say that one goalie is better. they were both amazing at doing what they do though and that is stopping the puck and winning games
2011160 11 months ago
Roy: 3 Conn Smythes nuff said
sudo5572 1 year ago
Hasek :D
MistaNomak 1 year ago
Brodeur is speed
marsupoika1 1 year ago
Marty, just look at the numbers. Also he's so much less of a d-bag than Roy was about his team. He had a rough game with the habs and that was it. Marty's had his rough spots with the devils and he's not going anywhere. He's a team player and that's what I respect about him.
laststandman1217 1 year ago
Patrick Roy hands down. Martin Broduer is easily the 2nd best of all time but lets look at the facts here. Roy is an 11 time all star, he has 5 Jennings trophies, 3 Vezinas and 3 Conn Smythes and he is the youngest player to win the Conn Smythe as well as the only 3 time winner in history. He is also considered by many to be the father of modern goaltending and the guy who brought the butterfly to the limelight (not the first to use it but the first to use it so well)
Osiryz 1 year ago
MartIN
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Roy: 3 Conn Smythe, 3 Vezina, 4 Stanley Cup, 151 playoff wins.
Brodeur: 0 Conn Smythe, 4 Vezina, 3 Stanley Cup, 99 playoff wins (I doubt he will ever reach 100).
Speaks for itself, Roy was more valuable when it counted the most, in the playoffs. Brodeur will be remembered as one of the greats, but he can't touch Patrick Roy.
skalberg242 1 year ago
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skalberg242 1 year ago
roy would be better if he still played but now its brodeur
abe1002 1 year ago
Okay, my dad told me once that there was an actual fight between these two....i really wana see it, can somone give me a link?
KadSkirata 1 year ago
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martin brodeur all the way
26gionta30 1 year ago
martin brodeur all the way
26gionta30 1 year ago
Roy
LT21Ward86 2 years ago
patrick roy, martin is a crybaby
kanyehatersrox 2 years ago
@kanyehatersrox your a duish bag martin brodeur is way better.
26gionta30 1 year ago
its Martin not Martain
smatyboy 2 years ago
Brodeur is good, but not as good as Roy.
onething1471 2 years ago
The best: Roy!
domdom111111 2 years ago
wmg sucks balls
Trifectaskate 2 years ago
We can only see when Brodeur is retiered.
I believe he can Win 1 or 2 more Veznias and 2 more Stanley Cups.
The Conn Smythe Trophy is a great Honor,
but seiously...
Brodeur couldnt have has one.
I believe he was over shadowed by great players in the PlayOffs.
As for Patrick Roy of course he will have a few.
No one else was as good as him the the PlayOffs except Joe Sakic and mabe Froseburg....
1hits2besthitback 2 years ago
can't we just end the debate by saying that they're 2 of the greatest goalies to ever play the game?
imo, Roy is the ultimate in focus and reaction speed
Hasek the ultimate in acrobatic saves
Brodeur is a combination of the 2 with a 5% decrease in each of their individual strengths.
modnarmm 3 years ago
lol rettaaard
martAin Brodeur
MARTIN
WTF
freydey 3 years ago
Roy was very good but I think brodeur is the best.
Scott4NJD 3 years ago 2
roy for sure
HabsFan1794 3 years ago
roy > brodeur
18GaG99 3 years ago
I would pick brodeur over Roy any day, especially since Brodeur doesn't have catastrophic meltdowns that affect his team and he is gonna hvae the most career SO's by the time he retires. But you could win a cup with either guy in your net.
machineunit 3 years ago
roy is soo much better
aznturtle100 3 years ago
Brodeur's clearly better, I mean his 4 Stanley Cups, his 3 Conn Smythes (which is a record) and the fact that he virtually invented the butterfly and changed the game of hockey altogether. Oh wait... Roy did all that.
And that's how you know Roy is better.
cbeck3513 3 years ago
Roy didn't invent the butterfly he just popuralized it.
applesauce7777 3 years ago 2
Note that I said "virtually". As in he helped promote it and perfect it to what it is today, which is what you see people like Marc-Andre Fleury using. And for all it matters, Roy did invent it. He's the one that started to flare his legs out, not just drop to his knees, which is what Glenn Hall (the actual "inventor") did.
cbeck3513 3 years ago 2
He perfected it.
Maxie1111 3 years ago 2
Brodeur is better. Roy has had multiple meltdowns where he's allowed 6 or 7 or even more goals. Brodeur has never had that happen. Brodeur has the most wins in a season, is about to have the most wins ever and either is or does have the most shutouts and has played less seasons than all other goalies whos records he's broken. He's also tied Roy for playoff shutouts and will break that too. Oh, and his all time GAA is better than Roy's too. And that's how you know Brodeur is better.
machineunit 3 years ago
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DodgeLMFAO 3 years ago
You're forgetting the fact that Roy played on the mediocre Montreal Canadians for over half his career, while Brodeur plated on the best defensive team in the league. If it's about numbers,Patrick never had a fair chance. Roy was never called the best because of his accomplisments, but because of his drive and ferocity. That was what made him unstoppable in the playoffs.
Regular season=broduer is better
Playoffs=Roy is just full of confidence
DodgeLMFAO 3 years ago
Sure but he had the likes of Foote, Blake and other good defenseman plus tremendous offensive talent on his team. Brodeur had barely any offensive support. The best defense is a good offense.
machineunit 3 years ago
Ok, let's talk about Roy's stats. 161 playoff wins. Brodeur needs more than 50 to tie that, and he won't do that. If you try and say that most shutouts means he's the best, think of how much harder it was for Sawchuck to get the 103 he had. Roy will always be better than Brodeur, give it up. 3 Conn Smythes. How many does Brodeur have?
cbeck3513 3 years ago
Umm no more SO's doesnt mean hes the best, it's the whole list of records that he's broken that makes him the best. And the only one that Roy has him on is Playoff wins.
machineunit 3 years ago
*And Conn Smythes. Give up.
cbeck3513 3 years ago
You keep telling me to give up as if my point is completely wrong and invalid. I guess a better career GAA and SV% and the fact that he has MORE SO's and wins and LESS losses in LESS seasons means nothing when comparing goalies. Look I'm not trying to down Roy, I'm just saying that when you look at the facts, Brodeur is better. Thus I think YOU should give up. 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezinas (Roy had 3), 4 Jennings speaks for itself. Keep in mind that Brodeur has a good 3-5 years left to win more.
machineunit 3 years ago
"Best" means in terms of numbers, so Brodeur is the best goalie.
However, if you were tied 0-0 in game 7 of the stanely cup finals in double overtime, which goalie would you rather have in net? One who is known to fall down under pressure or the goalie who thinks the very idea of "pressure" is exciting?
DodgeLMFAO 3 years ago
Pressure? Roy let up 7 goals to Detroit in the Western Confrence Finals in 2002. 9 in 1994 or '95 during his last game with the Habs. When Roy gets rattled he's useless. Not to mention his temper and attitude. I'd take Brodeur over Roy every time. Call me thickheaded if you want but Roy was too cocky for his own good and he crumbled from it multiple times.
machineunit 3 years ago
I guess the fact that Roy is 4-1 in finals and Brodeur is 3-2 would make me comfortable with either one of them but if I had the choice I'd take Marty.
machineunit 3 years ago
Isn't Brodeur 3-1 in finals?
he has only lost to the Avalanche in 01, the rest he won right?
Amarazing 2 years ago
You can't act like Brodeur deserved the Vezina last year, no way. He didn't lead in any categories like GAA, Save Percentage, Wins, Shutouts (Nabokov was better in every category). And yeah, Roy let in 9 in his last game in Montreal, because he didn't want to play at all, but the coach wouldn't let him come out. And without Roy, there wouldn't be goaltending today, there wouldn't be a butterfly. Roy had 10 overtime wins in the playoffs his rookie season. He had no offense, he was the whole team.
cbeck3513 3 years ago
"He had no offense, he was the whole team." I can say the same exact thing for Brodeur. And once Stevens left he continued to put up consistently good numbers. Like I said before, more wins, shutouts, and playoff shutouts all in less seasons.
machineunit 3 years ago
Esposito first used the butterfly, if it wasn't for him, there would be no butterfly style, without Roy, it wouldn't have been popular, Also Roy had 10 overtime victories in 93, not his rookie year.
Amarazing 2 years ago
Good catch, i was drunk when I left that. But it wasn't Esposito, they say it was Glenn Hall. I'm too young to have seen either play, but that's what the book "Without Fear" says. It's a pretty sweet book, written by the staff of The Hockey News. Check it out sometime.
cbeck3513 2 years ago
Truthfully, I had just watched a video on Tony Esposito at that time and they were talking about his style and how he was like a father to the butterfly style or something, so yeah, I am subscribed to THN, but I doubt I will get it through that, so maybe i will
Amarazing 2 years ago
Both are quebecois so.. i dont care
caca98019 3 years ago 9
@caca98019 Haha 2 years later and I still laugh at that comment.
sammydems 5 months ago
luongo- haha thats funny. roy's my favorite player of all time, but it really doesnt matter which one you have your gonna win anyway.
chowangoalie33 3 years ago 3
brodeur..roy sucks
xR3W1ND 3 years ago
agreed brodeur is best but roy is still good
powwerranger 3 years ago 2
@powwerranger
26gionta30 1 year ago
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MrTurnupthevolume 10 months ago
@powwerranger not at all. roy has done WAY better than brodeur. roy almost singlehandedly led the habs to 2 stanley cups and led the avs two cups. he has 3 conn smythes which is more than anyone including gretzky (who he has deked before) so roy is just better.
MrTurnupthevolume 10 months ago
@MrTurnupthevolume your giving him credit for deking gretzky? what was gretzky donna do? slam into him?
zomgaskill 10 months ago
@zomgaskill its a joke, but, yes.
MrTurnupthevolume 10 months ago
actually the answer wuld be Roberto Luongo ..
harmanrana 3 years ago
he is hurt so i dont think he his the answer
Davefiliatreaultsene 3 years ago
well that a good question because
brodeur-968 games 538 wins 290 losses
but,still playing
roy-1029 games 551 wins 315 losses
but,is retired
supermanthebest100 3 years ago 2
there both great goalies! but any true hockey fan knows that has at least watched hockey for 10 years that roy is better. dont get me wrong broduer is great in his own way but roy is the best goalie of all time.
mostlysunny117 3 years ago 3
Roy is the best goalie of all time and the best fighter ;)
loppar3 3 years ago 28
@loppar3 Best "goalie" yes, without a doubt. Fighter, no. Hextall would take him in a curb stomp
Trocityyy 9 months ago
a 1:26 of brodeur , 5 minutes of Roy...Also second song blows.
laxkidd110 3 years ago
this is good video i like it
TPS96DEVILS 3 years ago 3