Sen. Kyl: Saturday Vote on Senate Health Care Bill is 'The Beginning of The End'

[whatyathinknow]

What kind of an idiot would vote for a bill they couldn't read first?

[GretchenDawntreader]

Republicans: So against reforming health care and reigning in the abusive health insurance industry, they don't even want to talk about it.

Which is screwy in a way since for the last 4 months they won't shut up about it, and for the previous 8 years they did nothing about it.

I think Kyle's been reading a poll of insurance executives, most americans want reform in EVERY POLL EVER RUN.

[g4paladin]

The title is very misleading.

[qloey]

No, it's not. It is precise.

This is a 47 second clip that demonatrates the speaker's opinion that the passage of the healthcare bill will be a bad thing, and is unwanted.

Stop doing your cliched spin.

[joe035]

Anyone who pays taxes has health insurance and is for this bill is either extremely Liberal & RICH or extremely STUPID! The USA is broke and this will just usher in the collapse of the dollar and encourage more taxes from the already over burdened. France 120%debt to GDP and this is Obama's preffered model? Wake up you idiots, you are going to turn your children into wage slaves, Freedom is a good thing!

[WKaliberr]

what a jewish face

[Visfen]

The Republicans should try to come with some actual substansive response, they should make their own free market health care bill instead. Being the party of NO gets them NOwhere.

It's like there's only two alternatives, either the party of bad ideas or the part of no ideas.

[joe035]

@Visfen How about opening the state borders for more competition and allowing people to buy insurance as individuals only, "No More govt, or corporate Group Plans that get unfair discounts? Make it a law to where preexisting conditions can't be denied? This maybe to simple, but look at the alternative.

[Visfen]

That's a good suggestion, but it needs more than that, the system really needs to change. They should also remove tax incentives for employers who give care, shift the power back to the individuals, instead of employers chosing plans for their workers.

Pre existing conditions need to be "denied" (cost more) though. If it's a higher risk to pay my medical expenses I should pay a higher premium. Just as somebody that crashes their car all the time should pay more for their insurance.

[baddmanaz]

the beginning of the end of gop more like it.

if this bill passes, it'll be a defeat for the republican party and a victory for usa!

[joe035]

@baddmanaz It is unsustainable, look at the dems preffered model France 120%debt to GDP. $33,000 Euros for everyman women and child. I'm for reform but what they put together will break us.

[pwl1980]

What's whip's job??

There is a leader and a whip, what the hell is his role? Whipping rogue members of the party or what??

[whoo689]

Congress really needs to get a clue and tune into reality. They write bills in such a ridiculous legalistic manner, rather than just saying what they want and making it easier for constitutents to read. They ask for supermajorities where they aren't legally required, risking their own bills. And so much more crap.

[whoo689]

The Republican majority passed so much crap with George Bush as president, and they didn't ask for any stupid supermajorities for huge or important bills. They just passed it with at least 51 votes in the Senate and 218 in the House. Why are Democrats trying to hold themselves to a higher standard like this? Why risk it? It's not worth it if you really want it to pass.

[baddmanaz]

he was referring to a public opinion survey in an alternate universe.

[whoo689]

If the Democrats had any balls, they'd just take the support for this bill and run with it, only asking for the 51-vote minimum to pass, not this stupid-ass 60-vote supermajority. I mean, this is not a treaty or confirmation vote! It's a bill! A simple healthcare bill. You only need 51 votes, Reid. Why are you wasting time trying to get 9 more?? Just go with what you've got. Pick up the pieces later.

[gamoonbat]

You have to have 60 votes to override a fillibuster. Some "Democrats" are threatening to fillibuster this.

[Visfen]

If they do that it will be the same as what happened when the passed "the great society" stuff. Basically making a whole generation of right wingers. They are playing politics.

[joe035]

@whoo689 Perhaps he is hesitant because he realizes Most of the country is against it? Maybe he thinks there is a way to fine tune it to where it will actually be sustainable and not destroy our battered dollar. Reid is done in 2010 regardless of what happens.

[baronmorris]

fuck that guy. (Jon Kyl - lying shill butt-nugget)

[k166a]

It's too bad that the Republicans are just focused on stopping the health care reform bill rather than trying to make it the best bill it can be.

They're throwing a toddler's tantrum instead of cooperating and trying to get what's best for all of us.

Sad sad sad...

[bigc028282]

Looking forward to the first that's thrown in jail for not paying into one on these bills that is PRO INSURANCE CORPORATION.

FOOLS

[KataVideo]

public opinion surveys consistently show that Americans want the Public Option.

[Zakdayak]

True dat again Kata. Strange that this guy is such a Douche Baggins. I can't recall the Republicans opposing anything with such fervor. I mean yes, Reagan opposed Truman's original attempt at healthcare reform by saying it would lead to communism. But this time around they've taken the cake.

[doink1422]

it is so disturbing that the lie about what the public want and we are suppose to believe them. Senator if you continue to block this mid term election won't look good for the republicans again.

[FixedNewsChannel]

"People don't want it"

You fucking Lie.

[koren1124]

Surveys show that people don't want it? wtf is this guy on. The Public Option has low 70s approval.

[balanceseeker]

@koren1124 Remember, he was talking about people who support the current bill, not the public option.

This would clearly include the people who are opposed to the bill because it doesn't go far enough as well as the people who don't support it for going too far. Hence, the opposition would look larger than it actually is to the bill.

[frostwolf1]

Of course they want it, but the version of the Public Option on the floor is so watered down that it hardly does what it was meant to do: provide competition to insurance companies.

Progressives should be up in arms about changing it, but it's kind of too late now...

[bigc028282]

Everyone of the f*ckers that vote for these BS bills needs to be replaced. The majority don't want this crap. The majority don't want the crap in trade bill, with 300 pages added at 3 AM, either. That's why they have postponed that agenda. The Crapenhagen "treaty" will supersede our Constitution, and undermine the sovereignty of those countries that sign onto it. It's full of U.N. CODEX, and AGENDA 21.

The "health care" bill is as full sh!t as the "carbon tax". REPRESENTATION?

[balanceseeker]

@bigc028282 Do you remember the constitution, Article Six?

"This Constitution ... and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land."

So, any treaty adopted by the government doesn't supersede the constitution. It just happens to carry equal weight as the constitution in a court of law. That is why any treaty needs two-thirds of the senate to adopt, otherwise it is just an agreement with no binding power on government.

[bigc028282]

Your the first, congratulations. You missed one fact though.... HINT: North American Trade Union, and the damage done.

Article Six does not explain the rest of your description.

What happens when the "treaty" goes against the articles in the Constitution, Amendments, and Declaration of Independence?

Do you know who gets the money paid for Carbon Credits, who disperses it, and how?

Green Peace made the "treaty" available for a read, in it's present form. No guarantee of no 300 pages added at 3AM

[balanceseeker]

I'm trying to understand the point you are making and it is difficult to do as you wish to be obtuse with your post. However, if you are aware of Article Six, certainly you are aware that the Declaration of Independence is not a legal document. It is a political one declaring independence, but there is nothing in the document that codifies any legal basis for something to stand in conflict with.

As far as treaties being in conflict with the Constitution, that is what the court system is for.

[Smartassawhip]

What a bunch of crap the people do want it especially when all the scare tactics are removed from the equation.

[RobertSeattle]

Republicans were wrong about Social Security, wrong about Medicare, then they pushed through the poorly constructed Medicare Part D plan, but then all of a sudden this plan is the End of the World - Oh Nose!

[greyflcn]

@RobertSeattle

Well the funny thing that gets me is that Medicare Part D was actually about 50% more costly than the entire plan that Dems are pushing for now.

And Medicare Part D was a complete failure.

[Waranle]

Republican=Pussy ass lol.

[NakedWombat666]

Wow Republicans are such dramatic crybaby pussies. First, they chickenhawk their way into WAR with Iraq and Afghanistan with nary a complaint. Then they are flipping out over HEALTHCARE. I can't wait for the exodus as they leave the USA en masse. After all, if the Healthcare bill is as bad as Nazi Germany, as they say, then they should leave the country, right?! Why aren't they leaving now? It's like they're insincere or something.

[bigc028282]

Look around, we are living the Wiemar Republic playbook right now. This is the CHANGE we were promised? '

"and to the Republic in which it stands". This is not a democracy. HURRY and sign a bill that was created in private; FROM BOTH SIDES. 2000 PLUS PAGES. Read the Constitution, it's much easier, and has all the answers for the content of these bills.

The postponed the CRAP in trade bill, because the majority don't want that either and elections are coming.

HOPE in one hand, BUSH in the other.

[plumbine]

10% oppose the bill because it is not LIBERAL enough! Certainly, a majority of Americans are for a Democratic lead healthcare reform.

[videoguy604]

Kyl, please surrender the government healthcare we give to you!

[Taboda]

Which public opinion surveys are they talking about? I have seen plenty and they always show a majority in favor of reform, in favor of the public option... The only one or two that I have seen have been run by someone like newsmax or rep. think tanks that phrase the questions roughly.. are you in favor or death camps? Do you want obama to kill you grandma? Have we scared you and race bated you enough to get our way yet?

[barada01]

Well, assuming that these polls he cites are correct and the majority of Americans do not want healthcare reform, since when do Republicans give a damn about public opinion. After 8 years of Bush with public opinion polls in the gutter about further commitments to Iraq, did they say "lets listen to the American people and pull out" no, they ignored the Americans. And, amazingly, to this day they still fail to understand why they are not in control of the House, Senate or White House.

[DjWhooCares]

very very good point..

cheers to you

[p00lman]

I hope this is the beginning of the end of conservative whining.

[martinaoe2]

Its easy to call people nuts iam opposed to this health care bill. I think alot of the other options have just been blocked out.

Bare in mind I hate both parties and TV for their talking points 2 min seqment entertain the viewers mentality

[mbaguer]

another right wing nut. would rather have us all poor and sick than to give something to the Democrats. He obviously cares more about insurace company profits than the American people. Can the Ariz residents just get rid of him?

[IAMtheNewWorldOrder]

The beginning of the end FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY MAYBE.

And that's why you're worried, isn't it Jon Kyl? That's why all of you are worried. So you mobilize your braindead, brainwashed base by making it into some scary ass thing.

If the dems succeed-you fail. You project your own fears onto your base. Thats all republicans ever do. And how many dumb fucking Americans are so simple they will fall for anything if you say "They are trying to take money/power from you!"

[inmyforties]

we wrote the same thing verbatim... which illustrates functioning neurons.. which if fired up properly and independently can lead to intelligent thought... whereas if misused or not used at all can lead to a similarly synchronized phenomena known as GOP talking points

[inmyforties]

for the republican party

[IAMtheNewWorldOrder]

Don't speak for me Jon Kyl. Don't speak for the rest of the country.

Just speak for the senile, confused old people in Sun City who voted for you.

[theastrusmega]

Oh....So thats what a delusional person sounds like.

[IAMtheNewWorldOrder]

Senator Kyl:

An idiot elected by people who live in Arizona, but hated by people who are FROM Arizona.

[barada01]

Interesting can you explain? Who are those who live in AZ that vote for him if they are not from there? I'm curious.

[IAMtheNewWorldOrder]

Most of AZ's population is in Phoenix.

Most people who live in Phoenix are not originally from AZ, and usually they are from somewhere in the midwest or the east coast. It's one of the fastest growing cities in America.

But I grew up in northern AZ, and people from northern AZ, or from Tucson will tell you that PHX just has a completely different culture, and it does.

Flagstaff & Tucson are pretty much blue cities. Without PHX, AZ would be a blue state.

[IAMtheNewWorldOrder]

and it's not like there are no republicans outside of PHX, in a lot of the small towns there are, but without PHX, the biggest cities are Tucson & Flagstaff, which are college hippy towns, and then Northeastern AZ is the Navajo Reservation, which is rural of course, but has about 150,000 people overall, the vast majority vote for democrats.

[barada01]

Wow, very interesting. Never knew that. Thanks.

[IAMtheNewWorldOrder]

Yeah, that's the problem with labeling whole states as either "red" or "blue". Counties are red or blue, not states.

[blackknight007]

i wonder how much money an insurance provider paid him to say that.

[notscooter952]

Why do I watch this stuff? I'm not american. American news is like a crappy reality show. Oh well. Good luck.

[MexicanMetlAC]

Because you know you love it! Like reality shows...it's just so hard not watch. Haha

[IAMtheNewWorldOrder]

I know man, you're lucky.

But I would probably watch it if I was Canadian too. It's entertaining.

[barada01]

Yeah, well it could be worse, you could be Italian and have to watch your prime minister embarrass the nation with his hair plugs and teenage hookers. Though what am I saying, that is just one man, America has tons of politicians like that. I guess we are all screwed with our Jerry Springer Congress

[notscooter952]

My country's PM is politicizing stimulus projects. And all over the country there's signs that say "Canada's Economic Action Plan". They're everywhere. The catch is, those signs were made in the states. Go figure.

[1234uz]

Well at least we now have a new Industry here in the USA LOL

[PersonalJesus348]

I don't want it. I want Single Payer!

[terpis]

Baby steps, PJ...that is, assuming the Dems don't put themselves out of the majority with this piss-poor compromise of a compromise of a compromise, that doesn't kick in for years.

A measly 4 million "strong" public option, in a country of 300 million.

You ask me, the thing to fix--and this ridiculous health care debacle is the perfect example--is the way we finance elections.

/watch?v=iY3TcrUR-OE

Until that gets fixed, we'll always & everywhere be tilting hard into the wind.

[PersonalJesus348]

This bill has a provision to send me to jail if I don't want to pay for health care.

Its just another tax...

[greyflcn]

@PersonalJesus348

Yeah, that's the standard practice for any tax you refuse to pay.

You get your choice of a either fine, or jail time.

How is that so unusual?

[PersonalJesus348]

NO insurance boy. Insurance. If I don't want to buy expensive health Insurance I go to jail. Despite the affordability of it. Whether I can or not.

At least with mandated car insurance I don't have to own a car. What do I do? Not own a me?

[Visfen]

"Not own a me? "

Haha. Maybe you have to sell yourself to slavery just so you wont have to pay that health insurance. :)

[greyflcn]

@PersonalJesus348

Well, if you truly can't afford it, chances are you'd have access to subsidies to make it very affordable, or even free.

And if that's not the case, there is a third option.

You can instead opt to pay a penalty, which is not allowed to be more than %2.5 of your income.

So frankly, arguing for true financial hardship is bullshit.

[PersonalJesus348]

that's just jargon. I pay taxes. It goes into killing. I rather it go into saving.

Single Payer. Fuck this bill!

[greyflcn]

@PersonalJesus348

But incidentally, here's how it works.

Yes there's a mandate on the consumer.

But there's also a mandate on the insurance providers.

You can't outlaw pre-existing condition exclusions without having an insurance mandate because otherwise people will just wait until they get sick to buy insurance

To use your car insurance example, it'd be like forcing the insurance companies to take on someone who's gotten into 5 car accidents, and charge them no more than any normal customer

[PersonalJesus348]

Yeah I get it... but its not a step in the right direction. Its just side stepping and more money for the insurance companies.

Democrats are not getting it done. I don't know what the fuck the Republicans are doing.

Time for a new team.

[greyflcn]

@PersonalJesus348

Well actually, it's shaping up to be rather similar to the way the Switzerland healthcare system works.

Have you ever researched that?

[datRock]

nope, we actually want it, buddy

[GBTRU]

He is full of shit!