Frankfurt and Randi , two guy with white beards , all on the subject of debunking bullshit , these guys need a show and a good theme tune , something like this watch?v=2w7M8QSl3xg
People are more tolerant about bull-shit than lying before they became more egoistic.
Let me explain: Lying is usualy used to manipulate or trick us personaly and therefore we feel threatened if and when lied to. Bull-shitting threatens us less because it is performed in a way that nobody is directly attacked, it just gradually erodes truth - so we don't feel we lost anything - even if we did.
If we were less focused on our limited personal gain we would value truth more and resent bullshit.
People are more tolerant about bull-shit than lying before they became more egoistic.
Let me explain: Lying is usualy used to manipulate or trick us personaly and therefore we feel threatened if and when lied to. Bull-shitting threatens us less because it is performed in a way that nobody is directly attacked, it just gradually erodes truth - so we don't feel we lost anything - even if we did.
If we were less focused on our limited personal gain we would value truth more and resent bullshit.
Thousands of years ago, people were simply told by the power structure what was the truth. Now, we have free will and persuasion is the way of the power structure.
Bullshit enters in at the point of structural or systemic reconstitution--like now when the systemic has broken down and is trying to go back to exactly what was being done before, but with cosmetic changes. It may always be around, but in an unmobilized, unconcentrated way. As George Carlin, some of whose videos are linked to this, would say: "Usually there's some bullshit here and some bullshit there, but when everything breaks down, then there's a whole HELLUVA LOTTA BULLSHIT EVERYWHERE!"
@bahramf You sound like someone who hasn't cast an objective , unbiased eye over the evidence. Many, many questions were either not answered publicly, or they were answered with bullshit illogical and unreasonable answers. E.g. how was building 7 'pulled' so quickly? The thermite at the bases of the twin towers? The Controlled Demos of the towers etc. (45 degree blast cuts on the struts?).
@Nautilus1972 I'll answer all those. Building seven burned for hours and then eventually fell. When the owner said "pull it" - if he said it - he was referring to the firefighters. There was no thermite at the base of the twin towers, and they were not controlled demolitions.
@bahramf Why was no pentagon camera footage released? There must be more CCTV cameras there than any other place on the planet! Where were the engines - they weigh six tonnes each? How was Mohammed Atta's passport found on a pavement by Feds - completely undamaged? Didn't he go up in a fireball? His passport was ejected back out of the building when the plane exploded and floated down harmlessly to Et cetera
@Nautilus1972 [. ]break[.]com/index/911pentagon[.] html
There's some footage from the pentagon on 9/11.
I don't know about Mohammed Atta's passport. I'm not clear why you think it's so amazing that it was found, if indeed it was, but I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation. An unreasonable explanation is... "well, there's a missing piece to the puzzle, therefore, the gov't must have orchestrated the attacks of 9/11"
curse words have very broad definitions, take for example the different meanings of the word bitch or the various uses of the word fuck. the meaning is subjective. so i dont think its helpful when trying to analise something to use the term bullshit, unless you want to create a bit of controversy
Would a fiction or story teller who bend the facts to make a story more interesting.
I think we are looking at different types of Bullshit e.g. a good bullshitter (story teller) can be very entertaining, but PR people are just a pain in the ass.
Bullshit is interesting because a bullshitter can say one thing one day and bullshit with a completely different view the next and not bat an eyelid. The contradiction does not mean a thing to him. In fact, it furthers his cause, and that is to confuse the listener. The extremist is a consumate bullshitter, he says one thing but acts in a contrary way. It is very difficult to argue rationally with a bullshitter but once you get their game you can only walk away and hope they don't follow.
I kinda think that if you apply the university professors saying, "publish or perish" to this book you end up with a sort of fuck you to the general status quo of putting out bullshit books just to make your department look good.
guess those two dislikes must have been from SPEP schools...
markdropdizzle 3 weeks ago
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Debordsbullet 3 months ago
Repeat after me: "Bullshit baffles brains."
franklanguage 3 months ago
Oh, we're talking about truth again...analytic philosophers are almost as annoying as so-called christian philosophers.
Debordsbullet 4 months ago
i didnt know anyone else was into this kind of stuff..
skatechildd 6 months ago
Frankfurt and Randi , two guy with white beards , all on the subject of debunking bullshit , these guys need a show and a good theme tune , something like this watch?v=2w7M8QSl3xg
jmm1233 8 months ago
The majority of commentors below qualify as "bullshitters" under Frankfurt's definition.
Howsonify 9 months ago
George Carlin would have liked this, for sure lol. RIP George
dirosaga 10 months ago
People are more tolerant about bull-shit than lying before they became more egoistic.
Let me explain: Lying is usualy used to manipulate or trick us personaly and therefore we feel threatened if and when lied to. Bull-shitting threatens us less because it is performed in a way that nobody is directly attacked, it just gradually erodes truth - so we don't feel we lost anything - even if we did.
If we were less focused on our limited personal gain we would value truth more and resent bullshit.
bmertelj 1 year ago
People are more tolerant about bull-shit than lying before they became more egoistic.
Let me explain: Lying is usualy used to manipulate or trick us personaly and therefore we feel threatened if and when lied to. Bull-shitting threatens us less because it is performed in a way that nobody is directly attacked, it just gradually erodes truth - so we don't feel we lost anything - even if we did.
If we were less focused on our limited personal gain we would value truth more and resent bullshit.
bmertelj 1 year ago
George Bush is the liar. Dick Cheney is the bullshitter.
pseudocuasithinker 1 year ago
@pseudocuasithinker So?
bahramf 1 year ago
Thousands of years ago, people were simply told by the power structure what was the truth. Now, we have free will and persuasion is the way of the power structure.
JohnnyRock2000 1 year ago
Bullshit enters in at the point of structural or systemic reconstitution--like now when the systemic has broken down and is trying to go back to exactly what was being done before, but with cosmetic changes. It may always be around, but in an unmobilized, unconcentrated way. As George Carlin, some of whose videos are linked to this, would say: "Usually there's some bullshit here and some bullshit there, but when everything breaks down, then there's a whole HELLUVA LOTTA BULLSHIT EVERYWHERE!"
kskshghg 1 year ago
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'josephortizgarcia (3 weeks ago)
Yeah okay, then we all know 911 was and still is THE most greatest fabrication in history in other words: BULLSHIT'
Fuck off and die!
robdale88 2 years ago
Yeah okay, then we all know 911 was and still is THE most greatest fabrication in history in other words: BULLSHIT.
josephortizgarcia 2 years ago
@josephortizgarcia truffers should not think intelligent people are on their side.
bahramf 1 year ago
@bahramf You sound like someone who hasn't cast an objective , unbiased eye over the evidence. Many, many questions were either not answered publicly, or they were answered with bullshit illogical and unreasonable answers. E.g. how was building 7 'pulled' so quickly? The thermite at the bases of the twin towers? The Controlled Demos of the towers etc. (45 degree blast cuts on the struts?).
Nautilus1972 1 year ago
@Nautilus1972 I'll answer all those. Building seven burned for hours and then eventually fell. When the owner said "pull it" - if he said it - he was referring to the firefighters. There was no thermite at the base of the twin towers, and they were not controlled demolitions.
bahramf 1 year ago
@bahramf great example of bull $hit
RevolutionRequired 8 months ago
@RevolutionRequired You're a moron.
bahramf 8 months ago
@bahramf Why was no pentagon camera footage released? There must be more CCTV cameras there than any other place on the planet! Where were the engines - they weigh six tonnes each? How was Mohammed Atta's passport found on a pavement by Feds - completely undamaged? Didn't he go up in a fireball? His passport was ejected back out of the building when the plane exploded and floated down harmlessly to Et cetera
Nautilus1972 1 year ago
@Nautilus1972 [. ]break[.]com/index/911pentagon[.] html
There's some footage from the pentagon on 9/11.
I don't know about Mohammed Atta's passport. I'm not clear why you think it's so amazing that it was found, if indeed it was, but I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation. An unreasonable explanation is... "well, there's a missing piece to the puzzle, therefore, the gov't must have orchestrated the attacks of 9/11"
bahramf 1 year ago
Sounds like every day life
maceyofgrandbend 2 years ago
In America.
tomster62 2 years ago
curse words have very broad definitions, take for example the different meanings of the word bitch or the various uses of the word fuck. the meaning is subjective. so i dont think its helpful when trying to analise something to use the term bullshit, unless you want to create a bit of controversy
seal8le8siomon 2 years ago
@seal8le8siomon So do regular word moron.
bahramf 1 year ago
Would a fiction or story teller who bend the facts to make a story more interesting.
I think we are looking at different types of Bullshit e.g. a good bullshitter (story teller) can be very entertaining, but PR people are just a pain in the ass.
Gtigerclaw 2 years ago
@Gtigerclaw No, you're just talking out of your ass.
bahramf 1 year ago
it is a though Frankfurt is describing religious dogma
RAMSEY1987 2 years ago 2
BULLSHIT
Figpootin 3 years ago
Bullshit is interesting because a bullshitter can say one thing one day and bullshit with a completely different view the next and not bat an eyelid. The contradiction does not mean a thing to him. In fact, it furthers his cause, and that is to confuse the listener. The extremist is a consumate bullshitter, he says one thing but acts in a contrary way. It is very difficult to argue rationally with a bullshitter but once you get their game you can only walk away and hope they don't follow.
podman51 3 years ago 2
Princeton is bullshit!!!
enlightenedtwo 3 years ago
Our country is run on bullshit. Without bullshit, the entire United States of America would be in revolution.
jdbrown371 3 years ago 14
Or evolution...
VasilisBotoulas 3 years ago
@jdbrown371 Agreed.
bamatommy 11 months ago
@jdbrown371 Amen!
bamatommy 4 months ago
I kinda think that if you apply the university professors saying, "publish or perish" to this book you end up with a sort of fuck you to the general status quo of putting out bullshit books just to make your department look good.
I really liked the book.
bobbygnosis 3 years ago
I call bullshit
tashafangs 4 years ago
this is amazing.
composer390 4 years ago 8
that's bullshit--no it isn't
hatc9723 3 years ago