Don Young Thermal Image Analysis2

[rober1236jua]

Yes it clearly is a fox or wolf

[calcmandan]

Wonderful video. It looked almost convincingly like a bear on the original. but after your outlines, not sure if it is a deer instead. the ears give it a bear's appearance, but the neck is deerish. not sure what could've spooked the animal, but if the breeze picked up and the animal caught the human scent, it bailed. anyway, everyone assumes this was done at night. there's no way to know with a thermal camera what time of day it was. if it was a dude, then easily a bfro nerd was the culprit.

[m1aws]

That hominid creature could see in the dark where the cameraman could not.

Every answer offers more questions.

[Jermonelatifa]

its a bigfoot

[younwhosarmy]

I've seen lot's of bears in the woods in PA.. It looks like a bear to me... It stood up as it turned to the right. Plus you can't see the whole body at any one time...

[burton7505]

when it runs off its neck isnt a bigger than a human, definitley wouldnt classify this as a sasquatch... at 0:27 - 0:29 it definitley seems to have ears like a deer, maybe a bear... and at 0:44 when the camera seemed to move, the shape changes behind the brush, it goes from bending over eating to lifting its head up from behind where the body should be... fake imo.

[Boenairgeez]

it looked like a man when it exited

[BigFootprints]

I agree that it "looks" like a man when it exits, but it also looks "off" and I can't quite put my finger on it. The quality of the video doesn't help either. However, there is something about the motion...

What do you think about the movement of the creature earlier in the video, before it exits?

[cochranexyz]

So, how did "bigfoot" know to hide behind the rock or stump or whatever and not step into full view? Is the creature clever enough to know what the hell was going on? I guess this kind of hoaxing is safer because it's at night and your partner in crime doesn't have to put on a phoney suit and risk being shot by someone with a gun not in on the joke. The deer analysis makes sense, too. Sorry, but I'm not buying this. You could put a note in the forest and the BFRO folks attribute it to BF.

[BigFootprints]

I think there has to be importance placed on a scientific approach. There are those at the BFRO that would believe anything and I guess on the other side, there are those that will never believe anything. So, it's important to keep an open mind and not blindly believe in something just because you want it to be. The video needs to be treated as evidence and analyzed as such. I see a lot of people looking, but not a lot of people analyzing or taking measurements or anything like that.

[cochranexyz]

Oh I agree, but how many years are we going to have to wait for this thing? Good heveans. What's been found of worth? All the so called evidence is like this film here: to the skeptics, nothing; to the believers, proof. Bigfoot is more a social phenomenon now, or has gone into the realms of the paranormal (which can be so off the wall and ridiculous). The BFRO seems to me to give things the sniff test--a quick assumption and acceptance or denial. They believe what they want to believe.

[4tun8one2]

If you think that was a head and neck of a deer or something you are sadly mistaken. It's just that the rest of the body is obscured by the bush that gives an elongated appearance.

Why go out with thermal and not back it up with a NV device once the heat sig of something is detected? Where is the sound too? They could have done a lot better with this possible opportunity with the right equipment and preparation.

[FinalBellyache]

Yeah, I clearly saw the knees going up like a humanoid bent over while walking fast.

[nealcole]

The creature is either human or humanoid. Its form becomes quite clear when it departs. Its movements are totally unlike any deer I've ever seen. Deer will stand stark still and cock their ears toward any unrecognizable sound. If they become alarmed they will either trot away or bolt. It is interesting that the creature tries so hard to remain concealed in the darkness; but if it can see in the dark, what must it think of humans?

[BigFootprints]

..."Deer will stand stark still and cock their ears toward any unrecognizable sound."

Yes, this is in fact what appears to be happening in the earlier part of the video.

What do you mean by "tries so hard to remain concealed"? how do you know and what evidence is there that it's "trying hard"?

When I first saw the video, I was amazed. After review, I am still amazed, but realize that the earlier movements of the animal are more familiar to that of a forrest animal and not a human.

[nealcole]

Deer just don't move like that, especially not their ears. They're rarely moving constantly unless they're in flight (escaping, not flying), or they're following each other single file in open country as mule deer sometimes do. What I see is a creature obviously trying to hide. Why it feels it must hide in the dark, I don't know. When it gets up to leave, it's hunched over, trying to stay low, and on two legs, not four. If it's not a sasquatch it must be a man, but it's no deer.

[BigFootprints]

When you say "deer just don't move like that" I have to disagree. Excluding the peculiar exit, it looks quite natural & familiar.

The other point that I kindly ask you to look at is the one point in the clip where the creature turns and you can see the it's back end through the bushes.

(It shows up as a light spot from the equipment and you have to look to hte right of where the head is as it turns). I find it hard to believe a humanoid is anywhere near that wide!

[BigFootprints]

I know I have said deer in previous posts, but all along I really mean forrest animal. I can't say with any certainly what kind of animal this is. But humanoids don't need to stick their heads up to see or hear any better unless they are blocked by something. The creatures head is visible and doesn't appear to be obstructed.

[neversummer330]

your argument for using outlines to justify it is a deer suggests that the thermal output is not being blocked, yet your argument for why it looks bipedal at the end is based on bushes covering the image.... great consistency!

[BigFootprints]

The outline alone is only for demonstration purposes and to help illustrate that it is indeed an animal. The animal is clearly blocked by foliage below it's head and slightly to the right of the head. However, the outline shows a point in the footage where the main portion of the head an upper neck are exposed and not blocked.

The analysis is also based on movement throughout the footage and in fact, the movement is what what makes this creature completely non-hominid, IMHO

[neversummer330]

but the movement at the end looks completely bipedal; you cannot rule out a bi-pedal animal IMHO. this video is at the least inconclusive

[BigFootprints]

In the earlier part of the video, watch as animal turns. You can see that parts of the body show through the leaves. The body is distincly long (not tall). Another indication of a 4 legged animal.

The "exit" by the animal is likely due to it rearing up on it's hind legs or something similar. Then, partial blockage of the body by foliage gives an illusion of a biped.

Except for the questionable exit, the rest of the evidence points to a 4 legged animal, but who can be 100% sure??

[eljamiro]

Bigfootprints is right,its no bigfoot,its just deer surounded by bushes covering part of it.

[t2bone3]

I think your analysis of a deer or bear head is by far a stretch. You cannot make any type of figure out until it gets up and walks away. (which is a humanoid figure)

[BigFootprints]

t2bone3 - In fact, if you zoom in on the video and do an analysis, you can in fact make an outline of the head which is clearly not a typical round humanoid head. It is more like an inverted triangle with the tip pointing down.

Everyone is so focused on the end of the video and are so thoroughly convinced that they are forgetting to consider almost 99% of the video prior to the last second.

[billy240z]

I'll be honest i saw 2 maybe a 3 other so no telling but you will never proof it to be a bigfoot if you film at night time try day time if you need help just ask im sure there some good folks in the bfro

[billy240z]

lmao it's a dude from your research clowns taking a poo

[sicuro75]

It seems as if it was squating and observing through the brush weather to venture out or not. Then you could make it out a little better as it turned stood up and taking off back into the woods that the outline of the silohette wich looks more like a person or bipedal figure not a deer.

[Dano78229]

yeah i was holding on to the cicle thingy that was playing in the bar and i was moving it back and forth while holding it and it seemed to be eating somthing then he probly caught your scent then left the aream if you look closely it has somthing in its mouth when it turns and leaves

[GermanAmerican22]

i dont feel the person who recorded is being dishonest, its just too hard to tell. great catch though. good luck to all of u out there who r investigating. and be careful

[GermanAmerican22]

Im oretty sure its not a deer or bear! ive seen plenty of deer, that is no deer.Ive also seen many bear fro afar and very near and bears dont move like that! look at the last piece of movement. im not saying its a squatch, it cud be, but it cud be a person.

[godzilla323]

Moneyfaker knows this is a man taking a shit in the woods!

[Christianpilot777]

you cannot ignore the form of the figure as it gets up and walks away on two feet. The text in the video says "The entire footage needs to be considered and not just one part"; that includes the obvious evidence. Besides, there was an obstruction (dark area) along the right side of the "neck" of the supposed "deer". This obstruction helps form the shape of the deer head in those few frames.

[BigFootprints]

I am not ignoring the movement of the subject at the end of the video. In fact, I find that the movement at the end is more of an animal rearing up on its hind legs. It doesn't look like it is consistent movement for a biped to me. (I mentioned this on the BFRO forum).

The blockage of the leaves does not obstruct the the head where I measured it. You can also check frame by frame for obstructions.

The chance that it is a forest animal is very likely. That's just my opinion.

[ForensicAnimations]

Well, at the moment the camera moved to the right, Mr. Young said that he accidentaly kicked his bag/camera and that's what cause the slow pan.

I think it's more of a forest animal, but it seems we can agree that it is not a Sasquatch.

[screamdr]

The film suspiciously starts at the subjects location, despite no heat signatures to indicate that the cameraman had a reason to focus on that location. The head flexibility looks human, not a neckless BGFT. When real BGFT leave, they vaporize into thin air. Finally, the cameraman appears to know exactly the direction for subjects exit since he centers the camera to the right of the heat signature, and KEEPS it there until the subject moves into the center of the screen. Verdict: Naked human.

[VicAzcro]

Bigfoot and/or sasquatch have necks.

What they do when people are seen, they will lower their heads by tucking their necks in, then they will lower their face so that they are looking at you from below their heavy brow ridge. This makes them look more like a tree stump.

They apparently know that their eye's give them away. They also know that hiding in plain sight is a very good tactic. Just like most other animals.

And they even will gather together to form a tree outline.