u can't have socialism and diversity. High taxes and a big welfare state only occur where the population is homogenous, - all the same race, because there are no ethnic divisions and the rich have "something in common" with the poor (race) so can empathise with them.That's why Scandinavia has good welfare provision and Brazil has none. Billy Bragg knows that race matters, that's why he lives in Burton bradstock, the whitest part of Englad one can find.
The Selecter have given this song a real update. Called it "Big in Body, Small in Mind" and it is on their new album "Made in England" I know it is an advert but they have done a cracking job on the new album and this song has always been a favourite of mine.
'If you can't acquaint a fascist with the error in his logic, you should acquaint his forehead with the pavement'.....Victor Serge?....Whoever....It works for me.... Keep it simple...ALL YOU FASCISTS ARE BOUND TO LOSE
Facism has no place in The United Kingdom. It does however have a big place in Billy Bragg's mind ,he is a socialist after all (of Italian Parentage), and a significant ingredient of fascism is socialism. Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Bragg, they are all cut from the same deluded cloth and are the indistinguishable to a typical British person like me.
@bossendenwoodconvict I hope you're trolling, but if not here's an explanation of socialism. (I presume no-one needs an explanation of fascism). Socialism is a political system in which the means of production are commonly or publicly owned. This can range from state control (which could lead to totalitarianism) to control in the hands of those who produce the most (i.e. the working class) this is edging towards communism, which is theoretically perfect, but human greed often forces collapse.
@RaunienTheFirst If problems in, (or the failure of) communism/socialism can be attributed to human nature, to be fair couldn't we defend capitalism by saying problems in capitalist societies are caused by human nature too, and not by the system itself? I think we could. People don't have to award themselves large bonuses. They don't have to buy things which they don't need.
@bossendenwoodconvict We could, but I wouldn't. Capitalism has much more room for the greedier parts of human nature to go unpunished. They are practically rewarded for taking from those with little and giving to those with much. While there is nothing wrong with those who have achieved more having a better lifestyle, such a lifestyle should not be granted to those who haven't earned it, or those who take it from others.
@RaunienTheFirst I agree with most of this, especially the part about people achieving more and having a better lifestyle. As long as it does not harm others, I don't begrudge them it.
What punishments would you suggest for the "greedier parts of human nature." (?)
FASCISTS WILLALWAYS LOSE MY GRANDFATHER FOUGHT WITH THE INTERNTIOMAL BRIGADEIN SPAINN WITH THE BRISTOL BATTALION FROM THEBREAD WORKERS UNION IM SO PROUD WHAT HE DONE AND THANKFULL THAT HE TAUGGHT MY DAD WHAT WASRIGHT
This contemptible creep lives in the whitest part of England it is possible to find, and sends his own children to an all white school. Yet he attacks white working people for supporting the BNP and hating "diversity". What a stinking, contemptible, odious hypocrite!!!!!!!!!
@legendofyourmom What a loathsome, disgusting, worthless turd floating in the toilet of the world you are. I look forward to any other replies to your message. I am sure that other Billy Bragg fans (I am sure he is pleased to have fans like you) will back you up (sarcasm). I have saved your disgusting message and will post it wherever I can you loathsome shit. You should be hung every day, brought back to life, then hung over again, every day, forever
It's ironic that the doctrine of multicult will eventually lead to a Europe that is majority Muslim which will lead to Sharia law which will mean a system that is essentially Fascist.
The BNP have done poorly in recent elections, however, serious academic analysis of voting preferences shows that left wing parties throughout Europe are in long term decline, owing to the fact that they are losing the loyalty of white working class voters, and gaining the far more fickle and fewer in number votes of the educated mfddle class. This is mainly due to the left's support for mass immigration, which harms communities and lowers wages of low skilled workers.
@ray25620 erm unless you live in sotland as we have never failed since devolution to have a left wing majority. in fact most of the partis in scotland are left wing.
@sgbigsby1989 They are left wing because they want lots of tax money from England to pay people to do nothing and they in turn will re-elect them.Simple isn"t it?
Billy is a very rich hypocritical wanker who preaches communism and mass immigration but moved away from multi culti hell in London to live in all white Dorset. His excuse, "I had to think about the kids". If you are going to sing shit songs about communism, please make sure your actions reflect the shite you talk. Lefties are mostly hypocritical middle class twats
@watchmywords Billy might be a little facist himself. Universal sufferage, eight hour work day, a minimum wage and a strong progressive tax policy are all ideas in facist doctrine. Any chance Billy is supportive of those ideas?
@yrj77 first of all, it's suffrage*. not sufferage. And just because the idea is in the Italian Fascist* doctrine, doesn't make it a fascist idea. Universal suffrage began long before WW1 (when fascism was created). Fascism is anti-democratic. Anti-egalitarian. Anti-liberal. Billy braggs is just about the most liberal person on the planet. Finally, when the italian fascist party finally did attempt to extend voting rights to italian women, those rights were incredibly limited.
@yrj77 actually, while all of those ideas were mentioned in the italian fascist doctrine, none of them are core fascist ideals. and all of those ideas were created long before fascism came into existence.
@SheriffTanner Neither fascism nor any ideas associated with it were 'created'. In fact no ideas are ever 'created'. And fascism did not come into existence at a specific date.
@Omnilegence you're arguing semantics now. okay, ideas aren't "created". but you can trace the evolution and conception of ideologies through history via the text and writings of philosophers. so, rather than "created" what i meant was "conceived in the minds of the masses." i'm sorry you're such a simpleton that you either couldn't comprehend that, or your flimsy argument was so ill-conceived that you had no choice but to resort to poking at semantics.
@SheriffTanner You should probably note that I have made one comment to you and it was a mere correction. You have not had a significant enough exposure to my arguments or my intellect to be in any valid position to pass judgement on me. You precipitous attempt to do so evinces how illogical you become when you think someone is challenging you. I recommend reading through the argument next time, but you come across as one of people who would rather listen to yourself say semantics over and over.
Waste your youth listening to this marxist drivel? Cheer yourself up with what you SHOULD have been listening to. i.e. the following: 1) Atmosphere- Russ Abbot. 2) Do The Conga- Black Lace 3) You spin me round-Dead or Alive 4) Love Games-Belle and The Devotions 5) Fantasy Island- Tight Fit 6) GTO-Sinitta 7) Handful of Promises- Big Fun 8) The Birdie Song- The Tweets 9) You Think You're a Man- Divine 10) Piece of The Action-Bucks Fizz.
@hernhillrebel Did you just tell me listen to Bucks Fizz? Would you like me to punch you? And for the record, just because i like Bragg, it does'nt make me a marxist, comunist, left wing or anything of the like nor does it leave me in the need of cheering up. The only time irl ever listen to the Birdie song is at 5 year olds Birthday disco, and even then irl have my headphones in, with Billy Bragg blaring at full volume.
For the sake of humanity, i pray your comment's a joke.
Fascists, like the Nazis and their Western financial backers, are and were opposed to organized labor unions, economic equality, liberal democracy (because it's essentially socialism, e.g. Medicare, HUD or British national healthcare), and humanism. Fascists support exploitation of workers for the benefit of the capitalist elite and favor a strong government to enforce rigid laws benefiting big business rather than social needs. These problems are still relevant so this song is still sung.
NAZI is an abbreviation o fthe german "National sozialismus" or national socialism. The party actually contained elements from the whole political spectrum but Otto Strasser and Joseph Goebbels particularly hated capitalism.
You need to stop watching "Zeitguiest" movies and actually do some research and thinking for yourself.
@MaxSafeheaD the Nazis were brought to power by the industrialists of the age. They talked about socialism but killed all the real socialists when they came to power. You need to stop believing they had anything to do with socialism just because they talked about it. They also said they were Christians.
@TheGravitationist There's nothing to do with being racist or against a religion in Fascism. Many people interpret it that way on both sides, but Fascism is just like any other type of government: A way to organize power.
Nazism, on the other hand, is more of a quasi-Pagan religion which preaches hate as a core tenet. The Nazi government style was Fascist, the Nazi Social Policy was their own.
Mussolini was pro-Jewish until he got on his knees for Hitler.
hernhillrebel, I feel like a free man knowing you have my history and life wrapped up. Thanks. I'm glad someone has. I'm free! I'm free! I'm free! Are there flag coloured sweeties at the door? Is there somebody who has spoken to a facsist who can give me a tip? Eee! Is there a world out there?
I ask you what British person has ever met a fascist or a nazi? Except if you just happen to be a World War Two Veteran who was involved in the liberation of Italy or Germany, and then you probably couldn't converse with them. Cowboys and Indians come from America, Fascists and Nazis come from Europe.THIS IS BRITAIN. Bragg should go and live in his ancestral homeland (Italy) if he is so obsessed with fascism.He's probably got property there already.
By your definition, there are thousands of facists (neo-nazis) across the UK today. By actual definition, there are even more around today, they are more commonly known as 'Tories'.
By your definition, there are thousands of facists (neo-nazis) across the UK today. By actual definition, there are even more around today, they are more commonly known as 'Tories'.
Sorry if i wasn't clear, I meant that comment in the context of 'hernhillrebels' definition. I meant to say that Fascism wasn't linked to Nazism but there are thousands of self-confessed followers of both ideology in modern Britain, making this song just as relevant today as when it was written. I'm with you.
@jpgillett ooh right i see. ive re-read what you wrote and it makes alot more sense now anyways, i was probly just tired or something, and partially pissed off at his constant bragg hating comments. He's done it on loads of his videos :l and ther worst thing is.. he wont even reply to my comments lol
bragg doesn't have the faintest what a fascist is, he also hates tories yet abandoned his working class barking which is now a multicultural shithole which will in 10-20 years have fuck all english people left, to go and live in posh, all-white, tory-voting dorset in a mansion by the sea...
And he has the cheek to tell working class englishman the BNP are wrong and he's a socialist, socialist my arse, typical champagne socialist hypocrite, hope he rots in hell...
i remember when britain was wrecked by the tories, a sad day for us all............. and look we are there again economic crisis and us working class are skint again, paid off and nobody gives a sh*t. so yeah call me red, call me a commie but always remember i had a days as a bovver boy and dr martin is offering free dentistry for the real dogs of humanity, right wing scumbags who would sooner turn their back on their own people if it had money in it.
at least billy has stuck to his roots and not fucked off to the coast living in a massive house where the only non white people he sees are on eastenders hipocritical champagne socialist cunt
Whatever the view, whatever the thought, however the sickness.... the music belongs to the people, belongs to the heart... the fascists never have a tune. Never a song, never a melody, never anything but brutality and fear... nothing music recognises, nothing recognised by music.... by joy and hope..... there are no facsist songs of hope and joy... just a collective fury and fear....
....and that's the way of the boot, the way of the crushed person. So... here's to the great diaspora, here's to us all... here's to hope instead of fear, here's to joy instead of darkness, here's to curiosity instead of terror, here's to life, here's to us all!
@shinobi38 To be conservative is to be afraid of freedom, and to be in full support of the rich.. Here is how it works since you don't know... The republicans support the rich (the upper 5% of the wealth... AKA the upper class) the Democrats support the middle class, but only as far as the corporations let them, and the lower class gets screwed, the only thing that will help the lower class is a DEMOCRATIC-SOCIALIST COUNTRY! I hope the US goes there soon, and FYI, Obama isn't socialist..lol.
@shinobi38 Do you not see the flaw in your argument? You just insulted for someone being a 'liberal'. What's the alternative of liberalism; being liberal? *Points to the video above*.
@FALLASLEEPworld go and vote for for someone, oh you can't can you coz theres only an election every 4-5 years. Liberalism is dictatorship, a more advanced type of dictatorship than fascism, whoever is gonna be in power serves their own interests above everyone else wether they be liberal, fascist or socialist- it's called class.
Ray WTF are you on about Billy Bragg is the greatest champion of the working class people who ( as an ex pat observer driven out of my own country by the fashist ruling classes) seem to have lost all pride and sanity and dissolved into warring racist factions scrambling over each other in dog eat dog fashion and blind to the clone like leaders of the tory party who dragged you into this mess in the first place. and no I am not the biggest Bragg fan but there is truth in his songs
Only white people care about saving whales, or the plight of tribes in the Amazon. Only whites care about the environment, or human rights, or animal rights, in far flung places. Once whites have been reduced to a powerless minority in their historic homelands (not long now judging by the Wembley immigration video on youtube) then white people's stuff will go to Hell. Then the world will enter a new age of misery and exploitation. This is what Billy Bragg and his followers want.
If Bragg has his way, England's future is to resemble Brazil or India, with an ultrarich caste (containing Mr Bragg) controlling the fate of millions of the slumdwelling ultrapoor, with no middle class. Social services and welfare will be non-existent.
England will no longer be the economical and technological power that it was and of course no-one will care about women's rights in Afghanistan, or child labour in Nepal, or whales, or the environment.
@ray25620 I'm afraid Bragg has a distorted view of everything. Take the drivel he is singing above. What fascists? Have you ever met any? Where is their number in the Yellow pages? What trauma makes him sing such rubbish while living in our green and pleasanrt land? Perhaps we have to take into account Bragg's Italian origins. Apparently Italy was "fascist." Bragg's it seems is just another European with an extreme political creed. equally as bad as the one he claims to oppose.
@britishfirstandlast They may not be marching up and down your high street, but there are more subtle tones of fascism. I'm English, always will be, and I see forms of fascism every single day of my life. Shut your eyes if you want, mate.
@neiltay2002 He's probably singing about ordinary British people, who dare to fly the Union Jack. Not real uniformed Fascists from HIS ancestral homeland. If by Fascism YOU mean politcal correctness, bias against vicitms of crime, destruction of the family, dumbing down of children, the Blarite crusade against the muslim world, The E.U. etc. I agree. The war ensures some fo our best people are killed and domestic policies create a weak dependent population who don't question things.
@britishfirstandlast You may not be able to find them in the Yellow Pages, but you can find racist, fascist political groups and even organized parties on the internet. Also, this is a Woody Guthrie song, from an era where fascist states where a frightening reality. And extremity does not necessarily mean evil... those American extremists who thought that just maybe black people should count for more than 3/5 of a person were real nutjobs, huh?
@elquizzle Yes, but why sing about them? He is promoting fascism in a country where it has very little support. If people listen to this nonsense they will start to think "What fascists?" "What is it they are bound to lose?" and suppose that there is some really important battle they should be involved in.
@britishfirstandlast That is pure silliness. In any case, look around you. There are fascist tendencies everywhere in politics today. If this song upsets your sensibilities so much then don't listen to it.
@shucky Fascist is just a label he uses for people who don't agree with him. He is the one whose family came from a fascist country and he is just projecting his own form of fascist nonsense onto a peaceful people.
@britishfirstandlast Um, no fascism is clear, it represents the RIGHT, on the political spectrum, or on a 3d spectrum which I think is MUCH MORE ACCURATE, it falls south, as well as right, Democratic-Socialism is about eliminating the Plutonomy that we have here in the states and in the UK. It has noting in common with communism, and if you knew your history, you'de know that they highjacked the term "socialism", socialism is a good thing, as long as it includes democracy and a constitution !
@britishfirstandlast Um, no fascism is clear, it represents the RIGHT, on the political spectrum, or on a 3d spectrum which I think is MUCH MORE ACCURATE, it falls south, as well as right, Democratic-Socialism is about eliminating the Plutonomy that we have here in the states and in the UK. It has noting in common with communism, and if you knew your history, you'de know that MARKS highjacked the term "socialism", socialism is a good thing, as long as it includes democracy and a constitution !
That Billy Bragg, who wants to destroy Western civilisation by mass immigration from the Third World, has a following shows that the West is finished, even if it has not yet become aware of it. An extraordinarily inventive civilization, surely the only one capable of meeting the challenges of the third millennium, the West has no soul left. At every level—nations, race, cultures as well as individuals—it is always the soul that wins the decisive battles.”
This cover sucks. It's not a fucking love song or ballad, dumbass. Where the fuck is the anger? Stop trying. Woody Guthrie must be spinning in his grave.
Friends.. we are in a heated battle against yankee imperialism, fasxism and yankee terrorism in every corner of the world until victory is ours..VENGENCE...from occupied Iraq..El Toro.
i totally agree with Billy, but he is a truly dreadful singer and performer, but he probably knows that. knows he has a limited range, no melody whatsoever, but delivers an important message.
@frogslips Yes he certainly has an important message on behalf of all the internationalist capitalists, Bilderbergers and establishment politician who are destroying the identities of European nations through mass immigration and are criminalising any opposition. His reward - a nice gaff in Dorset and celebrity BBC appearances.
@Prydwen3 If you really think Woody Guthrie has a "retarded intellect," you severely misunderstand the purpose of thought and the power of popular music. (Are you impressed that I responded to your comment without calling you a fascist?)
@complitdave We have lived with the degenerate ‘purpose of thought and the power of popular music’ for long enough. It is time to grow up now and understand what is really going on.
Can’t sing, useless guitar player, lyrics that could be written by a chimp The only reason that he is not a complete loser is because of his political view guarantee him a hearing on the likes of the BBC.
@lawyerboysk8er You don’t mean the twentieth century's greatest living philosopher THE Woodie Duffrie do you? Wow. I didn’t think he could write as well as a chimp.
Oh lol my comment was deleted .. Hating this song, this man and all it stands for doesn't actually make me a fascist or a racist. But I do understand that is how the loony left operate .... "disagree with us and we will call you names" .. And who are the fascists exactly?? Hmmmm .. The right is becoming the socialists and the left becoming the establishment. It will all be corrected soon we hope :)
Wow billy, get a fuckin life. writing songs about this is stupid and i just wasted 20 seconds of my life. I dont even know why I watched this. Besides, sometimes Fascism IS needed to get order within one's country.
Google "Criminal Victimization in the United States, 2007
Statistical Tables". Then go to table 42. There you are given the percentages of interracial crimes together with the totals for each crime. It is possible to work out that in 2007 there were over 14,000 rapes and sex assaults on white women by blacks, but fewer than 10 on black women by white men.
As one conservative wrote sardonically, when it comes to the spouses they choose, the schools their kids attend, the neighborhoods they live in, white liberals and lefties pretty much replicate the social patterns of the Ku Klux Klan
Woody Guthrie was right when he wrote this song. The fascists lost WWII. They will always lose because human nature is not that evil. What is your problem?
u can't have socialism and diversity. High taxes and a big welfare state only occur where the population is homogenous, - all the same race, because there are no ethnic divisions and the rich have "something in common" with the poor (race) so can empathise with them.That's why Scandinavia has good welfare provision and Brazil has none. Billy Bragg knows that race matters, that's why he lives in Burton bradstock, the whitest part of Englad one can find.
dignifiedwhite 1 month ago
@karezza1 Life is stupid for a right winger that thinks the 1% is going to do anything for him.
gt40f 2 months ago
I do not like this cover. Keep it woody.
BroBearPig 4 months ago
The Selecter have given this song a real update. Called it "Big in Body, Small in Mind" and it is on their new album "Made in England" I know it is an advert but they have done a cracking job on the new album and this song has always been a favourite of mine.
Guy0n 5 months ago
thats a hell of politics for that music show hope they can handle it right
Gool349 5 months ago
'If you can't acquaint a fascist with the error in his logic, you should acquaint his forehead with the pavement'.....Victor Serge?....Whoever....It works for me.... Keep it simple...ALL YOU FASCISTS ARE BOUND TO LOSE
1doctoma 5 months ago
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bristolcityifcation 6 months ago 11
@bristolcityifcation Good on you my brother, good on your gramps.
kingdaniel69 3 months ago
@bristolcityifcation I'm with you, Brother. Lots of us are.
-Bill in Canada
baghend 2 months ago
A Woody Guthrie favourite....
shepshepshep 7 months ago
Facism has no place in The United Kingdom. It does however have a big place in Billy Bragg's mind ,he is a socialist after all (of Italian Parentage), and a significant ingredient of fascism is socialism. Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Bragg, they are all cut from the same deluded cloth and are the indistinguishable to a typical British person like me.
bossendenwoodconvict 7 months ago
@bossendenwoodconvict I hope you're trolling, but if not here's an explanation of socialism. (I presume no-one needs an explanation of fascism). Socialism is a political system in which the means of production are commonly or publicly owned. This can range from state control (which could lead to totalitarianism) to control in the hands of those who produce the most (i.e. the working class) this is edging towards communism, which is theoretically perfect, but human greed often forces collapse.
RaunienTheFirst 7 months ago
@RaunienTheFirst If problems in, (or the failure of) communism/socialism can be attributed to human nature, to be fair couldn't we defend capitalism by saying problems in capitalist societies are caused by human nature too, and not by the system itself? I think we could. People don't have to award themselves large bonuses. They don't have to buy things which they don't need.
bossendenwoodconvict 7 months ago
@bossendenwoodconvict We could, but I wouldn't. Capitalism has much more room for the greedier parts of human nature to go unpunished. They are practically rewarded for taking from those with little and giving to those with much. While there is nothing wrong with those who have achieved more having a better lifestyle, such a lifestyle should not be granted to those who haven't earned it, or those who take it from others.
RaunienTheFirst 7 months ago
@RaunienTheFirst I agree with most of this, especially the part about people achieving more and having a better lifestyle. As long as it does not harm others, I don't begrudge them it.
What punishments would you suggest for the "greedier parts of human nature." (?)
bossendenwoodconvict 7 months ago
What a shame Lord Bragg of Dorset never dedicates this song to all the muslim groups trying to take over the UK!
regvarney 8 months ago
FASCISTS WILLALWAYS LOSE MY GRANDFATHER FOUGHT WITH THE INTERNTIOMAL BRIGADEIN SPAINN WITH THE BRISTOL BATTALION FROM THEBREAD WORKERS UNION IM SO PROUD WHAT HE DONE AND THANKFULL THAT HE TAUGGHT MY DAD WHAT WASRIGHT
bristolcityifcation 8 months ago 2
@bristolcityifcation What a shame your English teacher never taught you anything!
regvarney 8 months ago
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In case the maggot deletes it, here is the message from "legendof yourmom" that I am responding to in my message.
"@ray25620 your are such a retard, that i hope your infant children die in a car fire"
ray25620 8 months ago
This contemptible creep lives in the whitest part of England it is possible to find, and sends his own children to an all white school. Yet he attacks white working people for supporting the BNP and hating "diversity". What a stinking, contemptible, odious hypocrite!!!!!!!!!
ray25620 9 months ago
@ray25620 you're full of shite mate
KantorekBaumerB14 9 months ago
@ray25620 your are such a retard, that i hope your infant children die in a car fire
legendofyourmom 8 months ago
@legendofyourmom What a loathsome, disgusting, worthless turd floating in the toilet of the world you are. I look forward to any other replies to your message. I am sure that other Billy Bragg fans (I am sure he is pleased to have fans like you) will back you up (sarcasm). I have saved your disgusting message and will post it wherever I can you loathsome shit. You should be hung every day, brought back to life, then hung over again, every day, forever
ray25620 8 months ago
It's ironic that the doctrine of multicult will eventually lead to a Europe that is majority Muslim which will lead to Sharia law which will mean a system that is essentially Fascist.
gastonave 9 months ago
The BNP have done poorly in recent elections, however, serious academic analysis of voting preferences shows that left wing parties throughout Europe are in long term decline, owing to the fact that they are losing the loyalty of white working class voters, and gaining the far more fickle and fewer in number votes of the educated mfddle class. This is mainly due to the left's support for mass immigration, which harms communities and lowers wages of low skilled workers.
ray25620 9 months ago
@ray25620 erm unless you live in sotland as we have never failed since devolution to have a left wing majority. in fact most of the partis in scotland are left wing.
sgbigsby1989 9 months ago
@sgbigsby1989 They are left wing because they want lots of tax money from England to pay people to do nothing and they in turn will re-elect them.Simple isn"t it?
regvarney 8 months ago
This Man doesnt need a Band but just his guitar & voice
Gool349 10 months ago
big up woody G ,, peace
rudetoddboy 10 months ago
republicans, libertarians, nazis, fascists... same difference
AMagicalUsername 10 months ago
38 and counting fascist are bound to lose
porkinwitz 10 months ago 3
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Billy is a very rich hypocritical wanker who preaches communism and mass immigration but moved away from multi culti hell in London to live in all white Dorset. His excuse, "I had to think about the kids". If you are going to sing shit songs about communism, please make sure your actions reflect the shite you talk. Lefties are mostly hypocritical middle class twats
HRHPrincePhilip1 11 months ago
@HRHPrincePhilip1
no your a hypocritical upper class twat
Mulgerath 10 months ago
Doubtful that he actually knows what a facist is. And this is really a dumb song.
yrj77 11 months ago
@yrj77 im doubtful that you know what a facist is. Dumb person.
watchmywords 11 months ago
@watchmywords Billy might be a little facist himself. Universal sufferage, eight hour work day, a minimum wage and a strong progressive tax policy are all ideas in facist doctrine. Any chance Billy is supportive of those ideas?
yrj77 11 months ago
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SheriffTanner 10 months ago
@yrj77 first of all, it's suffrage*. not sufferage. And just because the idea is in the Italian Fascist* doctrine, doesn't make it a fascist idea. Universal suffrage began long before WW1 (when fascism was created). Fascism is anti-democratic. Anti-egalitarian. Anti-liberal. Billy braggs is just about the most liberal person on the planet. Finally, when the italian fascist party finally did attempt to extend voting rights to italian women, those rights were incredibly limited.
SheriffTanner 10 months ago
@yrj77 actually, while all of those ideas were mentioned in the italian fascist doctrine, none of them are core fascist ideals. and all of those ideas were created long before fascism came into existence.
SheriffTanner 10 months ago
@SheriffTanner Neither fascism nor any ideas associated with it were 'created'. In fact no ideas are ever 'created'. And fascism did not come into existence at a specific date.
Omnilegence 10 months ago
@Omnilegence you're arguing semantics now. okay, ideas aren't "created". but you can trace the evolution and conception of ideologies through history via the text and writings of philosophers. so, rather than "created" what i meant was "conceived in the minds of the masses." i'm sorry you're such a simpleton that you either couldn't comprehend that, or your flimsy argument was so ill-conceived that you had no choice but to resort to poking at semantics.
SheriffTanner 7 months ago
@SheriffTanner You should probably note that I have made one comment to you and it was a mere correction. You have not had a significant enough exposure to my arguments or my intellect to be in any valid position to pass judgement on me. You precipitous attempt to do so evinces how illogical you become when you think someone is challenging you. I recommend reading through the argument next time, but you come across as one of people who would rather listen to yourself say semantics over and over.
Omnilegence 7 months ago
@yrj77 why are you listening to it then?
yecalsemaj 10 months ago
@yrj77 why are you listening to it then?
yecalsemaj 10 months ago
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billy bragg........what a lefty wanker!
jelluzzfan 11 months ago
hernhillrebel 1 year ago
@hernhillrebel Did you just tell me listen to Bucks Fizz? Would you like me to punch you? And for the record, just because i like Bragg, it does'nt make me a marxist, comunist, left wing or anything of the like nor does it leave me in the need of cheering up. The only time irl ever listen to the Birdie song is at 5 year olds Birthday disco, and even then irl have my headphones in, with Billy Bragg blaring at full volume.
For the sake of humanity, i pray your comment's a joke.
watchmywords 1 year ago 3
@watchmywords well said
CodPeace1 1 year ago
sounds bad, i like woody guthries interpretation mutch more
unv3zu2 1 year ago
optimistic i'm afarid, but none the less all we have
adew8 1 year ago
Beautiful!
easternshock 1 year ago 2
we're all fucking fascists
fvethsndwattswtr 1 year ago
Billy bragg is a jew
AlmightyHeaven 1 year ago
@AlmightyHeaven Why do you say jew as a pejorative, du dummer Arschloch?
FullersDuck 1 year ago
@FullersDuck es heißt dummes arschloch
unv3zu2 1 year ago
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FullersDuck 1 year ago
Fascists, like the Nazis and their Western financial backers, are and were opposed to organized labor unions, economic equality, liberal democracy (because it's essentially socialism, e.g. Medicare, HUD or British national healthcare), and humanism. Fascists support exploitation of workers for the benefit of the capitalist elite and favor a strong government to enforce rigid laws benefiting big business rather than social needs. These problems are still relevant so this song is still sung.
jenesaispas82 1 year ago 8
@jenesaispas82
NAZI is an abbreviation o fthe german "National sozialismus" or national socialism. The party actually contained elements from the whole political spectrum but Otto Strasser and Joseph Goebbels particularly hated capitalism.
You need to stop watching "Zeitguiest" movies and actually do some research and thinking for yourself.
MaxSafeheaD 3 months ago
@MaxSafeheaD the Nazis were brought to power by the industrialists of the age. They talked about socialism but killed all the real socialists when they came to power. You need to stop believing they had anything to do with socialism just because they talked about it. They also said they were Christians.
gt40f 2 months ago
@gt40f good point
MaxSafeheaD 2 months ago
I hope John Boehner, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, John McCain, and the rest are listening!
ExUSSailor 1 year ago 2
In WW2 the fascists were defeated by those who picked up a gun and went off to fight, not those those who picked up a guitar and sang.
gastonave 1 year ago
Blech. Bad song. And a tad bit ignorant of what Fascism is.
KAPTAINmORGANnWo4eva 1 year ago
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TheGravitationist 1 year ago
The song was written by Woody Guthrie in 1942 about the Nazis, so if Nazism wasn't fascist then what hell is?
TheGravitationist 1 year ago 3
@TheGravitationist There's nothing to do with being racist or against a religion in Fascism. Many people interpret it that way on both sides, but Fascism is just like any other type of government: A way to organize power.
Nazism, on the other hand, is more of a quasi-Pagan religion which preaches hate as a core tenet. The Nazi government style was Fascist, the Nazi Social Policy was their own.
Mussolini was pro-Jewish until he got on his knees for Hitler.
KAPTAINmORGANnWo4eva 1 year ago
hernhillrebel, I feel like a free man knowing you have my history and life wrapped up. Thanks. I'm glad someone has. I'm free! I'm free! I'm free! Are there flag coloured sweeties at the door? Is there somebody who has spoken to a facsist who can give me a tip? Eee! Is there a world out there?
blueastronaut1 1 year ago
hernhillrebel... you're a great man.
blueastronaut1 1 year ago
What an idiot Bragg is. Fascists indeed!
I ask you what British person has ever met a fascist or a nazi? Except if you just happen to be a World War Two Veteran who was involved in the liberation of Italy or Germany, and then you probably couldn't converse with them. Cowboys and Indians come from America, Fascists and Nazis come from Europe.THIS IS BRITAIN. Bragg should go and live in his ancestral homeland (Italy) if he is so obsessed with fascism.He's probably got property there already.
hernhillrebel 1 year ago
@hernhillrebel
By your definition, there are thousands of facists (neo-nazis) across the UK today. By actual definition, there are even more around today, they are more commonly known as 'Tories'.
jpgillett 1 year ago
@hernhillrebel
By your definition, there are thousands of facists (neo-nazis) across the UK today. By actual definition, there are even more around today, they are more commonly known as 'Tories'.
jpgillett 1 year ago 2
@jpgillett hahaha love the tory part, but not all facists are Neo-Nazis, thats just one sad, deluded group of them
watchmywords 1 year ago
@watchmywords
Sorry if i wasn't clear, I meant that comment in the context of 'hernhillrebels' definition. I meant to say that Fascism wasn't linked to Nazism but there are thousands of self-confessed followers of both ideology in modern Britain, making this song just as relevant today as when it was written. I'm with you.
jpgillett 11 months ago
@jpgillett ooh right i see. ive re-read what you wrote and it makes alot more sense now anyways, i was probly just tired or something, and partially pissed off at his constant bragg hating comments. He's done it on loads of his videos :l and ther worst thing is.. he wont even reply to my comments lol
watchmywords 11 months ago
bragg doesn't have the faintest what a fascist is, he also hates tories yet abandoned his working class barking which is now a multicultural shithole which will in 10-20 years have fuck all english people left, to go and live in posh, all-white, tory-voting dorset in a mansion by the sea...
And he has the cheek to tell working class englishman the BNP are wrong and he's a socialist, socialist my arse, typical champagne socialist hypocrite, hope he rots in hell...
whiteboynutter 1 year ago
nice mansion comrade.
hssp900 1 year ago
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Wow! This Billy Bragg seems to be a bit of a pacifist pussy...
If it wasn't for America kicking Nazi ass, this cheeky bastard would be singing in the German tongue a Deutschland fight song !
Pussy crap music...
y2ktube 1 year ago
ANTIFA VA!
Trotskyistrevolution 1 year ago
i remember when britain was wrecked by the tories, a sad day for us all............. and look we are there again economic crisis and us working class are skint again, paid off and nobody gives a sh*t. so yeah call me red, call me a commie but always remember i had a days as a bovver boy and dr martin is offering free dentistry for the real dogs of humanity, right wing scumbags who would sooner turn their back on their own people if it had money in it.
80smetalgod1989 1 year ago
All You Jews Are Bound to Lose.
Counterrevolutionite 1 year ago
@Counterrevolutionite
You just prooved your self as the Fascist one!
Racist scum
amirper2000 1 year ago
33 fascists dislike this video.
50chevydan 1 year ago
at least billy has stuck to his roots and not fucked off to the coast living in a massive house where the only non white people he sees are on eastenders hipocritical champagne socialist cunt
sanders333jon 1 year ago
You can always tell when a fascist is in the room; they self identify.
jimmmmy41 1 year ago 34
Whatever the view, whatever the thought, however the sickness.... the music belongs to the people, belongs to the heart... the fascists never have a tune. Never a song, never a melody, never anything but brutality and fear... nothing music recognises, nothing recognised by music.... by joy and hope..... there are no facsist songs of hope and joy... just a collective fury and fear....
blueastronaut1 1 year ago
....and that's the way of the boot, the way of the crushed person. So... here's to the great diaspora, here's to us all... here's to hope instead of fear, here's to joy instead of darkness, here's to curiosity instead of terror, here's to life, here's to us all!
blueastronaut1 1 year ago
Stop arguing and enjoy the music!
b4con94 1 year ago 14
@b4con94
Well, arguing comes natural due to the context of the lyrics.
ZLUGGO 1 year ago
@b4con94 But the music is an argument.
nevikmoore 1 year ago
I remember watching this live and being confused. Im glad i'm now in love with his music.
NewEnglishRevolution 1 year ago
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Billy Bragg is a liberal twat.
shinobi38 1 year ago
@shinobi38 To be conservative is to be afraid of freedom, and to be in full support of the rich.. Here is how it works since you don't know... The republicans support the rich (the upper 5% of the wealth... AKA the upper class) the Democrats support the middle class, but only as far as the corporations let them, and the lower class gets screwed, the only thing that will help the lower class is a DEMOCRATIC-SOCIALIST COUNTRY! I hope the US goes there soon, and FYI, Obama isn't socialist..lol.
nickothompson 1 year ago 4
@nickothompson You patronising twat, I know exactly how it works and liberals like you are part of the problem, thanks for proving my point though.
shinobi38 1 year ago
@shinobi38 Do you not see the flaw in your argument? You just insulted for someone being a 'liberal'. What's the alternative of liberalism; being liberal? *Points to the video above*.
FALLASLEEPworld 1 year ago
@FALLASLEEPworld go and vote for for someone, oh you can't can you coz theres only an election every 4-5 years. Liberalism is dictatorship, a more advanced type of dictatorship than fascism, whoever is gonna be in power serves their own interests above everyone else wether they be liberal, fascist or socialist- it's called class.
shinobi38 1 year ago
@shinobi38 Well what do you suggest instead? A vote every 5 minutes? Communism?
Liberalism isn't a dictatorship, capitalism is.
And perhaps I wasn't using 'liberalism' in it's commonly used form. I merely meant 'to be liberal', i.e., 'to not be fascist'.
FALLASLEEPworld 1 year ago
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@FALLASLEEPworld Just keep it shut, you are boring me.
shinobi38 1 year ago
@shinobi38
Is a goose-stepper waiting for bolder persons than him to bring back the Third Reich.
Good luck, bigoted coward!
~
thenthelightningwill 1 year ago
@thenthelightningwill I'm a bigot? Grow a fucking brain!
shinobi38 1 year ago
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No, no fascists here, eh 'Britishfirstandlast'. (BTW its the Union Flag that's being hijacked by nazi thugs, NOT the Union Jack)
Long live the EDL, & don't forget to put your ski mask on when you show your 'ban the burkha' poster.
Sieg Heil
AHlivesagain 1 year ago
@AHlivesagain and don't forget to beat each other up lol
shinobi38 1 year ago
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kwacka222 1 year ago
@dylanfilkohazi um actually it is a cover the lyrics are woody's
courtneycoupland 1 year ago 2
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paddybowman 1 year ago
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Ray WTF are you on about Billy Bragg is the greatest champion of the working class people who ( as an ex pat observer driven out of my own country by the fashist ruling classes) seem to have lost all pride and sanity and dissolved into warring racist factions scrambling over each other in dog eat dog fashion and blind to the clone like leaders of the tory party who dragged you into this mess in the first place. and no I am not the biggest Bragg fan but there is truth in his songs
Tatty711 1 year ago
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Tatty711 1 year ago
@dylanfilkohazi You obviously don't know that this song is by Woody Guthrie.
Darksunshinerain87 1 year ago
awhh man what a special man !
thelukefaller 1 year ago
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Only white people care about saving whales, or the plight of tribes in the Amazon. Only whites care about the environment, or human rights, or animal rights, in far flung places. Once whites have been reduced to a powerless minority in their historic homelands (not long now judging by the Wembley immigration video on youtube) then white people's stuff will go to Hell. Then the world will enter a new age of misery and exploitation. This is what Billy Bragg and his followers want.
ray25620 1 year ago
If Bragg has his way, England's future is to resemble Brazil or India, with an ultrarich caste (containing Mr Bragg) controlling the fate of millions of the slumdwelling ultrapoor, with no middle class. Social services and welfare will be non-existent.
England will no longer be the economical and technological power that it was and of course no-one will care about women's rights in Afghanistan, or child labour in Nepal, or whales, or the environment.
Bragg's fans must want this too.
ray25620 1 year ago
@ray25620 I'm afraid Bragg has a distorted view of everything. Take the drivel he is singing above. What fascists? Have you ever met any? Where is their number in the Yellow pages? What trauma makes him sing such rubbish while living in our green and pleasanrt land? Perhaps we have to take into account Bragg's Italian origins. Apparently Italy was "fascist." Bragg's it seems is just another European with an extreme political creed. equally as bad as the one he claims to oppose.
britishfirstandlast 1 year ago
@britishfirstandlast They may not be marching up and down your high street, but there are more subtle tones of fascism. I'm English, always will be, and I see forms of fascism every single day of my life. Shut your eyes if you want, mate.
neiltay2002 1 year ago
@neiltay2002 He's probably singing about ordinary British people, who dare to fly the Union Jack. Not real uniformed Fascists from HIS ancestral homeland. If by Fascism YOU mean politcal correctness, bias against vicitms of crime, destruction of the family, dumbing down of children, the Blarite crusade against the muslim world, The E.U. etc. I agree. The war ensures some fo our best people are killed and domestic policies create a weak dependent population who don't question things.
britishfirstandlast 1 year ago
@britishfirstandlast You may not be able to find them in the Yellow Pages, but you can find racist, fascist political groups and even organized parties on the internet. Also, this is a Woody Guthrie song, from an era where fascist states where a frightening reality. And extremity does not necessarily mean evil... those American extremists who thought that just maybe black people should count for more than 3/5 of a person were real nutjobs, huh?
elquizzle 1 year ago
@elquizzle Yes, but why sing about them? He is promoting fascism in a country where it has very little support. If people listen to this nonsense they will start to think "What fascists?" "What is it they are bound to lose?" and suppose that there is some really important battle they should be involved in.
britishfirstandlast 1 year ago
@britishfirstandlast & @elquizzle The lyrics of this tune are from Woody Guthrie so he's not really singing about anything from "nowadays"
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shucky 1 year ago
@britishfirstandlast That is pure silliness. In any case, look around you. There are fascist tendencies everywhere in politics today. If this song upsets your sensibilities so much then don't listen to it.
shucky 1 year ago
@shucky Fascist is just a label he uses for people who don't agree with him. He is the one whose family came from a fascist country and he is just projecting his own form of fascist nonsense onto a peaceful people.
britishfirstandlast 1 year ago
@britishfirstandlast You are a rather confused person.
shucky 1 year ago
@britishfirstandlast lmao. Wow.
geilman 1 year ago
@britishfirstandlast Um, no fascism is clear, it represents the RIGHT, on the political spectrum, or on a 3d spectrum which I think is MUCH MORE ACCURATE, it falls south, as well as right, Democratic-Socialism is about eliminating the Plutonomy that we have here in the states and in the UK. It has noting in common with communism, and if you knew your history, you'de know that they highjacked the term "socialism", socialism is a good thing, as long as it includes democracy and a constitution !
nickothompson 1 year ago
@britishfirstandlast Um, no fascism is clear, it represents the RIGHT, on the political spectrum, or on a 3d spectrum which I think is MUCH MORE ACCURATE, it falls south, as well as right, Democratic-Socialism is about eliminating the Plutonomy that we have here in the states and in the UK. It has noting in common with communism, and if you knew your history, you'de know that MARKS highjacked the term "socialism", socialism is a good thing, as long as it includes democracy and a constitution !
nickothompson 1 year ago
@britishfirstandlast
The only fascist state that has ever existed was Mussolini's Italy. Fascism and national socialism is NOT the same thing.
ZLUGGO 1 year ago
@ZLUGGO thats (half) true, Mussolini's Italy was'nt 100% pure Fascist either apparently but still very similar types of government.
shinobi38 1 year ago
@ZLUGGO
Umm, ever heard of the Franco regime?
bootytoot 1 year ago
@bootytoot
They were not fascists. They were falangists.
ZLUGGO 1 year ago
That Billy Bragg, who wants to destroy Western civilisation by mass immigration from the Third World, has a following shows that the West is finished, even if it has not yet become aware of it. An extraordinarily inventive civilization, surely the only one capable of meeting the challenges of the third millennium, the West has no soul left. At every level—nations, race, cultures as well as individuals—it is always the soul that wins the decisive battles.”
ray25620 1 year ago
The term Fascists has started to lose any insulting qualities it once held.
Guess it's society having changed to much.
Robin303 1 year ago
This cover sucks. It's not a fucking love song or ballad, dumbass. Where the fuck is the anger? Stop trying. Woody Guthrie must be spinning in his grave.
Darksunshinerain87 1 year ago
Friends.. we are in a heated battle against yankee imperialism, fasxism and yankee terrorism in every corner of the world until victory is ours..VENGENCE...from occupied Iraq..El Toro.
bull9stud 1 year ago
i totally agree with Billy, but he is a truly dreadful singer and performer, but he probably knows that. knows he has a limited range, no melody whatsoever, but delivers an important message.
frogslips 1 year ago
@frogslips ha shut up
TheNoProblemos 1 year ago
@frogslips Yes he certainly has an important message on behalf of all the internationalist capitalists, Bilderbergers and establishment politician who are destroying the identities of European nations through mass immigration and are criminalising any opposition. His reward - a nice gaff in Dorset and celebrity BBC appearances.
Prydwen3 1 year ago
Billy Brag IS the british Woody Guthrie
PAULFC93 1 year ago
@PAULFC93 Right on Paul! They have both got the same retarded intellect.
Prydwen3 1 year ago
@Prydwen3 If you really think Woody Guthrie has a "retarded intellect," you severely misunderstand the purpose of thought and the power of popular music. (Are you impressed that I responded to your comment without calling you a fascist?)
complitdave 1 year ago
@complitdave We have lived with the degenerate ‘purpose of thought and the power of popular music’ for long enough. It is time to grow up now and understand what is really going on.
Prydwen3 1 year ago
@ray25620 your'e not trully fascist you are truly trolly
utarefsonmetushelac 1 year ago
RTFM: All You Fascists Are Bound To Lose!!
janerikkvalheim 1 year ago
@janerikkvalheim Right On! Rockefeller’s lickspittle.
Prydwen3 1 year ago
Can’t sing, useless guitar player, lyrics that could be written by a chimp The only reason that he is not a complete loser is because of his political view guarantee him a hearing on the likes of the BBC.
Prydwen3 1 year ago
@Prydwen3 Uhhh, these lyrics were written by Woodie Guthrie. Was he a chimp? You have some things to learn about music and American history.
lawyerboysk8er 1 year ago
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Prydwen3 1 year ago
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@lawyerboysk8er You don’t mean the twentieth century's greatest living philosopher THE Woodie Duffrie do you? Wow. I didn’t think he could write as well as a chimp.
Prydwen3 1 year ago
@Prydwen3 don't fucking troll woodie uncle fucker
utarefsonmetushelac 1 year ago
@utarefsonmetushelac Hi! No Brain, its good to see your command of the English language is as good as Duffer Guther’s.
Prydwen3 1 year ago
Oh lol my comment was deleted .. Hating this song, this man and all it stands for doesn't actually make me a fascist or a racist. But I do understand that is how the loony left operate .... "disagree with us and we will call you names" .. And who are the fascists exactly?? Hmmmm .. The right is becoming the socialists and the left becoming the establishment. It will all be corrected soon we hope :)
fmdoll71 1 year ago
@fmdoll71 dumbass
abbeItheIman 1 year ago
@abbeItheIman Yup ... Name calling .. Really articulate .. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz
fmdoll71 1 year ago
@fmdoll71 more articulate than pissing in a bottle....
makesenseofthis 1 year ago
@fmdoll71 that's why you said 'I love the BNP' on that shitty little barnard castle video then...
makesenseofthis 1 year ago
@makesenseofthis If you knew who that man was in that video you may understand that comment. But of course, you don't
fmdoll71 1 year ago
lame
Sk8orgie 1 year ago
Jakie - it's a Woody Guthrie song, you fool.
nicholaskellyuk 1 year ago
Great video!!! I've Billy live several times, it's nice to see he's aging well.
annfyban 1 year ago
Wow billy, get a fuckin life. writing songs about this is stupid and i just wasted 20 seconds of my life. I dont even know why I watched this. Besides, sometimes Fascism IS needed to get order within one's country.
JakeGold14 1 year ago
Google "Criminal Victimization in the United States, 2007
Statistical Tables". Then go to table 42. There you are given the percentages of interracial crimes together with the totals for each crime. It is possible to work out that in 2007 there were over 14,000 rapes and sex assaults on white women by blacks, but fewer than 10 on black women by white men.
ray25620 1 year ago
Well done to all the good people of Barking.
May 2010
mostlybytrain 1 year ago
As one conservative wrote sardonically, when it comes to the spouses they choose, the schools their kids attend, the neighborhoods they live in, white liberals and lefties pretty much replicate the social patterns of the Ku Klux Klan
ray25620 1 year ago
@ray25620 How so?
krsju 1 year ago
There's plenty of "point and splutter" from libtards here but no substance It takes 2 minutes to google 'violent crime by race' and educate yourself.
ray25620 1 year ago
Ray ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ah aha ah ha you joke ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Ray you are a loser
wola69 1 year ago
Woody Guthrie was right when he wrote this song. The fascists lost WWII. They will always lose because human nature is not that evil. What is your problem?
groengoen 1 year ago 2
oh my gosh!!!!!!! i am a white german person and i am really proud to say:
"ray25620 you are a FUCKING STUPID ASSHOLE....go lick mommys pussy!"
1lilalena 1 year ago
@1lilalena O wow! The point and splutter argument yet again! What shall I do!
ray25620 1 year ago
@1lilalena lol
utarefsonmetushelac 1 year ago
billy you are the facist
raychandler123 1 year ago