Anti-choice activists on anniversary of Roe v. Wade

[FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7]

religion religion religion, all bullshit

[lalarandomness1311]

Haha the guy with Jesus at the end is full on crazy...also, that is the most half assed argument against abortion EVAR.

[kweer58]

"Anti-choice". Take responsibility for the words you use. Acknowledge what the words mean. When one says "I am pro-choice", finish the sentence truthfully. To do so would be to say "I am pro-choice to kill" the unborn baby, because that is what the abortion "choice" does. It is the "choice" to crush (slice or otherwise dismember) an unanethesized human unborn baby to death. It makes the label "anti-choice" sound like a genuine compliment.

[sueezee]

These idiots would be the first one bitching about their taxes going to support BILLIONS of unwanted kids that THEY demand be born.

 They guy at 1:56 thinks its fine fine for all babies be born because SOME will turn out fine! Good god in heaven!

[Spudd1641]

So i think that pro-life people are stupid...

[kristaaaah]

pro life is fucking stupid. half these peopl are men - men who will never experience a pregnancy and all these women will change their mind once they get pregnant by accident.

this is bull shit

[oldblubblub]

Do you really think it's ok to kill an unborn infant?

[kristaaaah]

yeah. not your business. bb

[WAD0005]

@oldblubblub excuse me but having an abortion is not killing an unborn infant i have studied it in health and biology it is not a human until 20 weeks

why don't you study a bit more rather than come up with stupid ignorant statements such as that.

making these decisions is not as simple as your narrow minded views.

[Claudia7778]

I wonder how many programs that help single mothers these simple minded zealots are involved with? Probably none. Sanctimonious sperm-worshippers.

[Imaginefree69]

End the tyranny of christianity.

It's time to ban public displays of religion.

[JosephdeMaistre]

It's time to deport you and everyone like you.

[Imaginefree69]

"It's time to deport you and everyone like you."

Thanks for opening your heart

to show us what's inside.

You may close it now, please.

We've seen more than enough.

[MsMirrorMirror]

What a lovely demonstration of Christ's love!

[McDood5]

"The meaning of life is to love others..."

Which leads to happiness. Happiness remains the end product. You failed to nulify my point.

Besides, I DO love others. That's why I want them have the ability to make complicated moral decisions on their own.

[Atreus21]

Anti-Choice?

That's hilarious.

We'll call you pro-death.

[stjosephmail]

Atreus, in this case, the video is title 'antichoice' to show the stupidity of the title. Tongue in cheek.

[McDood5]

I happen to be a Jesus-centric Christian and believe people are reincarnated. There's overwhelming evidence to suggest this. Perhaps people are lying about their personal experiences, but I doubt it. They'd have no reason to.

Point is, I'd feel certain if I were reborn as a unwanted child, I would WANT to be terminated. I'd much rather be reborn again as a planned child. I think most people would.

[bgroll]

Killing a pregnant woman is two counts of murder, so a fetus is in fact a life in our legal system. That said, shouldn't abortion be murder?

[stjosephmail]

McDood, I think you made a point: abortion is a woman playing God.

[McDood5]

"Playing God" is a term Christians used when medicine was first popularized. They'd say, "you can't stop illness with medicine because that's going against God's plan!". I hate to tell you this, but we ARE God while on this Earth. We have every right to play God, because God doesn't give a GOD DAMN. If he did, he would have stopped us by now.

Argument nullified.

[Minxcomix]

McDood, you said "I hate to tell you this, but we ARE God while on this Earth..." in reply to a statement (not an argument) which said "I think you made a point: abortion is a woman playing God."

You did not nullify anything, you just supported the point that was made.

It is very true: Abortion is humans playing God.

[McDood5]

Everything we do is playing God. Your argument doesn't need to be nullified because it's not something which is bad to begin with.

"Playing God" was a term Christians first used when medicine was invented. "We can't 'play God' by artificially prolonging life" they'd say. Ironically, now Christians have the EXACT OPPOSITE position when it comes to prolonging life. Funny how our values change...

[McDood5]

Nobody is saying abortion isn't murder. They're saying it's a more acceptable TYPE of murder, due to circumstances.

I believe life does have some intrinsic value, but that value doesn't outweigh the importance of happiness. The meaning of life IS happiness (be it of yourself or others). Forcing women to have unwanted children does nothing to increase happiness. And life has no point without it.

[DkEugen]

"I believe life does have some intrinsic value, but that value doesn't outweigh the importance of happiness."

I guess that says it all. Murder doesn't matter to you people; all you care about it YOU being happy. And don't give me shit saying you care about the aborted because if you did, you would not be massacring them!

After all, how are they supposed to be happy if they never get the chance? Why don't they get a choice?

[McDood5]

"all you care about it YOU being happy."

Who said anything about my happiness? I was referring to EVERYONE'S OVERALL happiness.

"After all, how are they supposed to be happy if they never get the chance?"

Unlike you, I have faith the fetus will be happy in heaven, which DOES justify abortion. Not other kinds of murder.

"Why don't they get a choice?"

Because they shouldn't exist to begin with. The CHOICE belongs to the mother.

[sueezee]

DkEugen:Why don't they get a choice? How does one give a fetus a choice? There is no way, hense, their not having one.The mother is the seer of whats best for everyone envolved in an unwanted pregnancy. If you don't trust her choice, how can you possibly trust her as a mother?

[Minxcomix]

McDood, "The meaning of life is happiness"

If this is True, then why are people constantly asking "what is the meaning of life"? Such an answer would be obvious if it were True, would it not?

No the meaning of Life is something entirely different, and Happiness is a product of understanding what that meaning is, not the meaning itself.

[McDood5]

So you admit happiness is the end product. General as it may be, it IS the ultimate goal.

The fact is, happiness is complicated and comes in many different forms and from different sources. Much of it is also personal. Still, the one thing certain is that having unwanted children won't make anyone happy.

[Minxcomix]

McDood, "So you admit happiness is the end product."

I did not say this! I said happiness is A product. i.e.: I chose to live where I live because it is closer to my mother whom I LOVE and she needs help in caring for her home & growing health concerns. I would personally be happier in another location, but I chose here instead, out of LOVE. In this action I have found happiness, but as a byproduct of my action, it is not why I chose to do it.

Happiness is not the meaning of Life.

[McDood5]

Your mother's happiness was being considered in this situation, as was your own. You just reinforced my point that happiness IS the meaning of life.

[Minxcomix]

McDood:"Your mother's happiness was being considered..."

Yes, I did. Yet I would've made the same decision even if she was unhappy w/it, because it was the LOVING thing to do.

Read my post again, see if the real Meaning of Life jumps out at you. (Hint, I mentioned it in this post to)

Happiness is not THE meaning of life, it is a BYPRODUCT of living the Meaning.

Happiness is not the Meaning of Life.

[Minxcomix]

With so many people chasing happiness, they would actually achieve it if it were the "Meaning". But one simply has to look around at all the unhappiness to see that this is not so. Is this because people are not seeking happiness? The fact that anti-depressants are the most common prescribed medication today in the U.S. tells us no.

People are racing after a byproduct, it can't be achieved this way, it's only fleeting at best.

They have their eyes on an incorrect goal.

[McDood5]

"Yet I would've made the same decision even if she was unhappy w/it, because it was the LOVING thing to do."

You're implying it would then be for a greater good. Thusly, you'd simply be achieving a different kind of long-term happiness as your goal. Like I said, happiness is complicated. That's why so many people are confused with how to achieve it. And sometimes, we just don't have the opportunities we'd like.

Happiness, in one form or another, is still the end by-product. You admit that.

[Minxcomix]

McDood! I am glad we finally agree that happiness is a BPRODUCT. This is what I have been stating all along.

It is not the "Meaning of Life", but "a" BYPRODUCT of what is achieved in living out the Meaning of Life. Other good things besides happiness happens, so it is "a" (not "the" as you stated) byproduct.

It is important to distinguish the difference, because happiness, when chased after as if it were the end goal in itself, eludes those who seek it& a selfcentered society results.

[McDood5]

You presume the only happiness I speak of is self-centered. That's a misconception. If people focus exclusively on their own happiness, they certainly would be disappointed. You missed my point entirely.

Happiness isn't simply a by-product of life's meaning, but an END PRODUCT. If something isn't making yourself or anyone around you happy, then why bother?

[Minxcomix]

McDood:"If something isn't making yourself or anyone around you happy, then why bother?"

Survival of the species, my friend, survival of the species.

You mentioned it earlier: the greater good.

Happiness isn't the goal, it's just a reward we get for doing the right thing.

[stjosephmail]

(mcdood -If something isn't making yourself or anyone around you happy, then why bother?)

The fact that you don't know 'why to bother' explains why you don't understand what Minx is saying. The meaning of life is to love others, even if it means our death so that the other may live. abortion cannot figure into this concept

Living life with love as a goal, happiness comes naturally even in the worst situations. Living life with happiness as the goal creates at best only temp satisfaction

[McDood5]

The fact is, life can be very easily created. Therefore, unestablished life with no connections to the outside world only has as much value as the mother places on it. If God cared so much about unborn children, he wouldn't have terminated so many himself throughout history (stillborns, etc.). How do you even explain that?

[DkEugen]

"He wouldn't have terminated so many themselves throughout history (stillborns, etc.)"

Wow, who said God did that? That is life, bad things happen, I could just as easily make a case for murder because people die anyway!

"Unestablished life with no connections"

I fail to see how lack of connections makes you less human; the fetus reacts to its environment, you can see it, you can, hear it, and you can touch it. What more 'connections' do you need?

[McDood5]

"Wow, who said God did that? That is life, bad things happen..."

So you're saying God doesn't control or interact with his creation at all? Or does he only do it when it's convenient for Christian's to explain something?

"What more 'connections' do you need?"

History of interactions with the outside world. Death isn't as sad when someone is only known about by the mother (and she's merely correcting a mistake). Sadly, we have no need for unwanted humans.

[DkEugen]

"God doesn't control or interact with his creation at all?"

Never said that either! I said he isn't responsible for everything that happens in our lives!

"Death isn't as sad"

Okay, since when is it relevant whether something is sad or not? We are talking about right or wrong here, which is the whole argument behind the Pro-Life movement.

[sueezee]

McDood:Sadly, we have no need for unwanted humans. Great point! Keep up the good work!

[MsMirrorMirror]

A fetus can do more than an embryo -- do you object to abortions that occur in the embryonic stage? At the zygote stage? At the gamete stage?

[McDood5]

Frankly, I just don't care what people do with their own unborn children. The ONLY real connection a fetus has is to the mother herself. Therefore, it should be her choice if she wants to end the life. Pro-lifers should use their values to GOVERN THEIR OWN LIVES. Like I said, the world would be a happier place if everyone minded their own GOD DAMN business!

[DkEugen]

"Pro-lifers should use their values to GOVERN THEIR OWN LIVES"

Sounds a lot like the confederate "live an let live" from the movie Gettysburg'

I wonder what the reaction would be if in 1944 the Nazis said "let us govern our own lives! It's not for you to decide what we do with our Jews! Mind your own GOD DAMN business!"

[McDood5]

I didn't know the Jews were inside the Nazi's bodies... sounds like an interesting version of history!

[DkEugen]

I don't know how being inside someone makes you less human any more then being Jewish does.

[McDood5]

It's not a matter of being human. It's a matter of being ESTABLISHED and having connections to the outside world. Giving mothers the option to terminate unwanted pregnacies is obviously far different from cultural genocide, and anyone who's not a complete imbecile can see the difference.

[DkEugen]

"It's not a matter of being human. It's a matter of being ESTABLISHED and having connections to the outside world"

Well I beg to differ; it is ALL about being human! Murder is the killing of a HUMAN BEING!

"Is obviously far different from cultural genocide"

Yes, I know, I was using an ANALOGY. You are using their differences from 'normal' people to justify their murder. As you said yourself, you don't care whether they are human, just whether they are "ESTABLISHED".

[sueezee]

DkEugen: it is ALL about being human! Murder is the killing of a HUMAN BEING Then abortion isn't murder because a fetus isn't a human being. It's of human origin but it has no being until it's born.

[DkEugen]

"As Christians, we should have faith that aborted babies will go to heaven"

McDood5, so according to you murder isn't bad so long as the people we kill are innocent? (And thus go to heaven) That is seriously the most messed up Ideology I have ever heard of!

"Someone give me a reason why they'd be happier as unwanted children"

What I have been trying to tell you is that the ends of going to heaven, is NOT justified by the means of MURDER. Is it a little clearer for you now?

[McDood5]

The failure pro-lifers continously make is equating abortion with every other kind of murder out there. Abortion is the most acceptable kind of murder because the life you're terminating is NOT ESTABLISHED. Nobody could ever force their will on me through abortion, unless I was the one being aborted. In that case, I'd gladly accept my fate.

[DkEugen]

Unwanted children are to be helped, not exterminated.

[McDood5]

The problem is sometimes, there's just not enough help out there. And not the kind they need.

[DkEugen]

So instead you kill them? TRY to help at least; we don't shoot the starving people in because we can't help them!

[McDood5]

As Christians, we should have faith that aborted babies will go to heaven. Why wouldn't they? Seriously, someone give me a reason why they'd be happier as unwanted children.

[DkEugen]

McDood5, the idea of pro-life is not to make people happy okay? Murder is not justifiable because it makes someone happy. I'll give you a choice, live in a foster home or get ripped apart with pliers...Or how about torn up by a vacuum? No, wait! Let's pump salt into the fluid you breathe and let you die a slow and painful death!

I'll go on a limb and say the foster home!

Also, as a Christian, I don't play God; you can't justify any wrong with the promise of heaven, we aren't Muslims.

[McDood5]

In other words, you lack true faith in your own religion.

Btw, I WOULD rather be terminated by a painful death before I could even comprehend it than live a painful, unwanted life. You pretend like there's an infinite number of good foster care parents to take care of every unwanted child. Hate to tell you this, but there isn't!

[DkEugen]

"Btw, I WOULD rather be terminated by a painful death before I could even comprehend it than live a painful, unwanted life."

Are you a fucking psychic McDood5? Can you see these children's future? Who are you to say that their lives are miserable? Not everyone goes suicidal when they have problems you know.

You are basically saying that if I MIGHT lead a miserable life I should be killed NOW? Who are you to decide life or death for someone who has never experienced such a life?

[McDood5]

No guarantees about anyone's life. Just much higher probabilities of future problems. And nobody likes to feel unwanted.

[DkEugen]

"In other words, you lack true faith in your own religion."

When did I say that?

[McDood5]

You lack faith the aborted babies will go to heaven.

[DkEugen]

I never said they don't go to heaven, I just don't believe in KILLING PEOPLE to make them go there, how about someone lives their life like God intended? If abortion was God's plan we would never live in the first place!

[McDood5]

Who's to say what "God's plan" is?! It's inherently arrogant to assume you know!

[DkEugen]

"Who's to say what "God's plan" is?!"

Same goes for you. Using logic, I can easily figure out what isn't his plan(duh). Care to address my main argument?

[teton99]

Each of Us is Willed, Each of Us is Loved, and Each of Us is Necessary.

Pope Benedict XVI

[stjosephmail]

Gosh! What a hate-filled and angry group of people!

(insert eye roll here)

[Minxcomix]

There are literally HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS gathering all over the U.S. these last few years, and the numbers keep growing.

Do not lose hope! Death can only beget death. We WILL win this fight and restore the rights to created beings which were stolen away with deception in 1973.

[Minxcomix]

I like the point made by the guy with Baby Jesus statue. How Jesus made the whole stage of human growth (conception, zygote, embryo, fetus, etc) sacred by incarnating in this manner.

This is so very true. God could have chosen to come to Mary already incarnated as a born baby. He created Adam out of pure dust, if he wanted to create a body for himself that way, he would have.

But instead, his first moments on earth was as a one-celled human life.

Powerful!

[statnerd52]

supporting the value of life is called "anti-choice" by the "killing babies is cool" crowd

[McDood5]

Nobody said killing babies was cool. Life is complex, and sometimes hard decisions have to be made. As long as we educate people, I think they're fully capable of making those desicions FOR THEMSELVES.

[Minxcomix]

"as long as we educate people".

Those that support the $abortion indu$try have always fought long&hard to keep us women in the dark about all abortion entails. PlannedParenthood still does not have all the proven facts of side-effects of abortion on their website. They downright lie about the longterm risks & sideeffects, ignoring study after study which prove facts of medical&emotional consequences of abortion on women, and keep that info from those that come into their clinic$.

Why?$?

[McDood5]

The reason some women have emotional problems after abortions is because "pro life" activists want to convince everyone they're evil if they do get one. If the "pro life" people minded their own GOD DAMN business, the world would be a better place!

[stjosephmail]

1)some?? some??!

Look further into the studies McDood, 80% of post-abortive women suffer PAS.

2)Pro-life activists wanting to convince women who have had abortions are evil?

This makes no sense considering many women who are pro-life activists are post-abortive.

I have yet to meet a pro-life person who hates a post-abortive woman. There is only love and compassion from pro-life people.

It's the pro-choice people who turn a deaf ear to the post-abortive woman's pain and anguish.

[McDood5]

Weak, unsupportable claim. Many pro-choice people are willing to help. And they tend to help in better ways as they don't constantly tell the person they did something wrong.

[stjosephmail]

Untrue.

I can support my claims just by using "Google".

Google Pro-choice. Pull up any and all "pro-choice" websites. I have yet to find one that has any referral for women who are suffering anguish from abortion. They even deny such anguish exists! Not very supportive.

Google Pro-Life. EVERY SINGLE SITE will have links to where post-abortive women can find comfort & support from those who have experienced the same suffering.

Unlike pro-choice, we recognize a woman's right to mourn

[McDood5]

You're TELLING the woman she should be mourning. That's part of the problem. You're saying she SHOULD have guilt. And even if some do naturally, there isn't one pro-choice person I know who wouldn't be willing to help.

[Minxcomix]

McDood, why would a post-abortive woman visit a pro-life website if she was o.k. with her abortion?

The post-abortive women who visit pro-life websites go there for a reason, they are looking for help. If a woman feels perfectly o.k. with her abortion, she would only have revulsion for such sites.

If women were as o.k. with their abortions as the pro-abortion side claim they are, the relief they felt would not succumb to the supposed 'guilt trip'.

[McDood5]

They don't need to visit pro-life websites to hear the messages which are perpetuated throughout our society. It's ridiculous to suggest the websites are the sole voice of disapprovel they hear.

[Minxcomix]

McDood, you believe that the pro-life groups are able to affect peoples opinions&that is what is causes PAS. I see your viewpoint, but I have known too many women who suffer from it, who they were before the abortion, how strong their personalities are, and to insinuate that they are so easily influenced by the 'judgement' of others is ridiculous.

[Minxcomix]

McDood, I believe the opposite is true, that we have been bombarded with so much 'pro-choice' rhetoric, that many of us cannot get beyond it until we have had some personal experience with abortion and realize the Truth.

Only Time will tell who is right.

But until then, we mourn the loss of lives, and the loss of women's health, both emotional and physical, and the damage to relationships abortion causes.

Death only begets death. It cannot go on forever.

Time will prove it.

[Minxcomix]

That is rather like saying Alcoholics Anonymous groups are a problem to society because they are telling people they have an alcohol problem and that they should quit drinking.

And how can a pro-choice group help a woman who has had an abortion when they deny such problems for the woman exist? Why would they help?

[McDood5]

There you go again. Now you're equating getting an abortion with alcoholism. Obviously, they're completely different.

[Minxcomix]

So I use analogies.

You obviously are not seeing the "picture".

[watchingtvisgood]

this makes me have such hope in America

[latinflava05]

cthorste, for making ignorant comments like that just so you know, my mother still is recovering from the scars of abortin she had 2 abortions but it make it 3 if I didn't. My mother was on drugs and alcohol and still regretting on her abortions. Also when it comes to abortion all it is relativism, there is no right or wrong. Think about if one society thinks its okay to kill baby girls and to accept baby boys, is it morally wrong to tell the culture that its okay "thats part of your culture".

[Novjunulo]

"Anti-choice"? Have you ever seen a suicidal fetus?

[Novjunulo]

A person's a person, no matter how small.

[latinflava05]

"Fetal Rights movement" if the Fetus is not human then how can the fetus has a DNA of a human? Is the fetus an alien? Think about all of us started out as a fetus growing in our mothers womb? Think about what if we were aborted? What if we were not born? I survived a saltine late abortion. My mother wanted me aborted 7 months with me. I survived the abortion thankfully. Where was the liberals and "Human Rights" activist while I was almost being aborted? Where were the feminists?

[Novjunulo]

I'm glad you survived. Though I think you mean "saline". Saltine is a kind of cracker. :P

Saline abortions are incredibly painful. I hop[e you have no permanent scars.

Also, are you female? ♀

[cthorste]

where were the feminists and human rights activists? they were minding their own business instead of following your mother around and telling her what to do with her body.

[latinflava05]

cthorste, to say that is very ignorant. LEt me ask you what if your mother decided to abort you. Seriously, think about it? What if your mother decided to abort you. My mother had 2 abortions and she is recovering from the abortions she regretted. There are other options than abortion. My mother is now a counseler at Project RAchael for women who are recovering from abortions. Also seriosuly I wish your mother aborted you when you were born! Just kidding!

[klickenpod]

it's pro-life.. not so much anti-choice.

be the non-judgemental, true liberals that you claim to be and let us have our say with peaceful protest. that march isn't fun, and I personally didn't enjoy being called a fascist and a "fat cunt" by some people on the roads when I did the walk in san francisco.

[bavarianbeast2000]

These are probably the same people who push for anti-safe sex education legislature for school children. Which makes unwanted babies for sexually active teenagers (OH MY GOD, OUR CHILDREN HAVE GENITALIA!!!) which in turn, charges their misguided protests in the first place. Also, they seem to not push the fact of those without options in foster homes are still stuck in their own hell. 100 cells doesn't make a human, but a foster home orphan is off their "protection" list.

[Novjunulo]

Way to stereotype, spammer.

[JohananRaatz]

Well it's good to see that the fetal rights movement is still active.

[RSchandel]

There is no kingdom of God. NO one came down to earth and fornicated with a virgin. Unless of course you read Greek mythology.

Please, all I'm asking is for folks to do the Christian thing...take in foster kids and give them life & liberty; because many of them are living in Hell now.

[RSchandel]

What is wrong with these people?

How many foster kids do these anti-choice folks take in? Those are the kids that don't have choices.

[VictoryRoks]

God bless those brave people who stand for innocent unborn children, and the American values of life & liberty. To the feminist hags at N.O.W. and Planed Parenthood who hate America and hate God, Hell's gates are waiting just for you. Ungodly whores like you are not worthy to enter the Kingdom of God.

[RSchandel]

There is no kingdom of God. NO one came down to earth and fornicated with a virgin. Unless of course you read Greek mythology.

Please, all I'm asking is for folks to do the Christian thing...take in foster kids and give them life & liberty; because many of them are living in Hell now.

[BenAliGtor]

"..To the feminist hags at N.O.W. and Planed Parenthood.."

Stupid ass. Can't even SPELL "Planned Parenthood".