Scriabin - Mysterium Part I : Universe

[mlfaerj]

im afraid..... this scares the hell out of me i dont know how to describe it.....

[soundzgreg]

en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Mystic_chord

[Nunyerdam]

Look at a pic of Nemtin-I swear, put a mustache on that face and it is Scriabin...

[peppy6078]

was this based off of synesthaesia?

[ColtonBrook]

Nemtin's - Mysterium

[titusbeertsen]

I wish I was alive around 1915 to invent antibiotics, so Scriabin could have finished his masterpiece.

[lecheparavaka]

@titusbeertsen 100 years later.. i wouldnt know how to invent antibiotics! XD

[BigRed4231]

@lecheparavaka You just eat cockroaches brains, cause they got anti bacterial stuff in them, That's how they are able to survive in toilets.

[yangerron]

Any idea where I can get a disc of this? Amazon wants upwards of seventy bucks.

[sshuck]

Ugh. I just want to see the score fragments. The filler material that's just lifted from the Eighth sonata etc. is just killing me.

[777cc777]

Scriabin planned to use 'sonata' material for the later works... look into the deeper meaning of the eighth and its relation to universe/nature

[sshuck]

"Scriabin planned to use 'sonata' material for the later works"....Got a source for that?

Yeah, the Eighth is described programmatically as of nature, geometry, the earth, the universe, etc. That's far from allowing its quotation in another piece with the same programmatic elements. Quoting is an extremely UN-Scriabinesque thing to do.

[sshuck]

That's the "let's see you try" argument. A lot of man-hours went into Limp Bizkit, and I don't like that either.

He's not "sacrificing his own art". This is pure Nemtin, marketed otherwise. Using recycled material ESTABLISHES that it's not a bona fide "realisation". Not to mention his total deafness to Scriabin's formal style.

If Anthony Payne had done this with Elgar's 3rd, it would have been dismissed as pastiche. But because of Scriabin's exotic sound world, it's harder to tell here.

[anferlo]

@sshuck Don't agree. Listen his fifth sonata and then listen to Poeme de l'extase, and then listen to this. Well, before listening the fifth, you may enjoy the fourth. This is when scriabin began quotation

This is not Scriabin at all, just listen his last preludes, etudes, poemes or pieces and you'll see that, comparing to this, this is very tonal... But anyway there are a lot of quotations (Female themes, male themes, universe sound-a-like i.e) or similar ideas among scriabin's last music.

[sshuck]

@anferlo

I know Scriabin's output pretty well, and as far as I can recall, there's no quotation anywhere in either the 4th Sonata or any other composition. He doesn't do it.

I agree this isn't Scriabin at all, but neither is this "very tonal". This is roughly the same harmonic sound world as his last period. In fact, my point is that's all this is, just chords and atmosphere. It's like putting jazzy chords under "Take Me Out to the Ball Game" and calling it "jazz composition".

[anferlo]

@sshuck Quotation doesn't mean copy and paste and even more when we're talking about scriabin.

The jazz chords you are referring came to jazz music about 30 or 40 years later. Scriabin began sketching the mysterium around 1904, when he had just finished his op. 42. Around this period he began developing his "Mystic Chord" "system". You cant hear complete phrases, but ideas. That is also quotation. He only had sketches on mysterium, maybe Ideas you can find in ALL his later symphonic works.

[twilightWo1f]

This sounds like an awesome soundtrack to some sort of abstract masterpiece.

[4candles]

@twilightWo1f Or some Kubrick film.

[MrRaindrops1]

i thought misterium was never finished?

[floolagin]

Apparently he left sketches and some guy organized into a performable version.

[skryabyn]

woah i never thought i'd find this

[nineteensixty9]

was he a synesthete or a pseudo synesthete?

[agreatguy6]

pseudo, since his colors exactly followed the circle of fifths.

[mobytoss]

Just amazing

[TheBlackPage1]

jeepers Batman, my synesthesiac senses are tingling !

[777cc777]

Thank the InfiniteUniverse for Scriabin, & for this

(bows to Nemtin)