Electric Mini

[AlexCampagna]

Great. Another awesome invention from Quebec profiting some foreign private company. Yay!

[NearAbbeyRoad]

@AlexCampagna

Canadians did not invent the motor in wheel.

[1939PlymouthRatRod]

Yes but not available in costs to the every day Joe Blo.

[GaySingleMulatto]

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[197022007]

use some quality coil wire, carbon fiber chassis and body, remove the gas motor and replace with a couple more batteries, hey, you got a masterpiece...

[LoserSVK]

Also wanted to say that ecology is just a big business. Nothing more.

[LoserSVK]

I dont like this concept really. If they put there high efficiency HUB motors+batterys why they killed it with stupid petrol generator with low efficienty?

[GRAHAMAUS]

@LoserSVK Because the battery technology doesn't exist that has the same energy density as petrol. This still makes sense - run a generator at a single optimal rpm as needed to extend range and use motors as the drive. In theory this should be capable of >100 mpg, which is way better than burning the fuel directly. The all-electric car isn't just around the corner, so we need intermediate steps like this.

[sylfries1978]

created by Pierre Couture in the 80´s and aborted in the 90 ´s... hope this time the revolutionary project won´t be sabotaged !!!

[sylfries1978]

created by Pierre Couture in the 80´s and aborted in the 90 ´s... hope this time the revolutionary project won´t be sabotaged !!!

[Kote12TK]

Perfect design. All wheel electric. Or all wheel drive at a very reduce weight, No tranny, no clutch, differential housing, no drive or propeller shaft, no axles. But sad news, "some" MORONS" with a high level of POLITICAL POWER or AUTHORITIES will kill THIS. Remember what happen to ELECTRIC VEHICLE? What's important for this "MORONS" are their POCKET MONEY which will be "fill" by the OPEC.

[noneuno53]

its a about time, i thought of this win the 1st highbrid cars came out.

what i thought up was like a tran has a dez motor and electric drive tran.

if i would have hand the money i would have bot a 5000watt generator and ev.

i dont think that my would go 900miles tho. but agin good for them.

[Afrocanuk]

...Or, they can take the petrol engine out and design a flexible solar panel into the roof.

[redsquirrelftw]

I don't get it, we hear about these companies coming up with electric cars, but we never ever ever see them on the market. Does the oil industry just buy them out? That needs to be stopped.

[OneBillyTurner]

I cant believe my previous comment attracted so many thumbs down?

All I'm saying is, cars now, since I can remember run on petrol and remote controls run on batteries...??? F**kin' hell?...

[OneBillyTurner]

My Mini runs perfectly on petrol...like every f***ing car i've previously owned

Batteries are for remote controls

[kyleisreallycool]

@OneBillyTurner

you do know the world will run out of petrol one day

[AliAbraham51]

finally, something new.

[stonegs]

Cool. But this was posted more than 2 years ago. Where's the production car or was this just hype?

[fassenkugel]

its a fake video, looks like a real news but...

[MetaView7]

the unsprung weight will be difficult to manage

[miniborgs12]

the in wheel motor is a great idea but how will this work on dump trucks or any huge automobile

[Archimedes555453525]

Should work too, shouldn't it? The electric motors are potent enough.

[3089280288]

Larger vehicles will probably use a hydrostatic drivetrain.

[cag66]

@miniborgs12 who cares if it doesn't? No one solution will solve all problems, large vehicles can run on vegetable oil.

[miniborgs12]

they should also lighten these cars take, off excess weight but still keep it cheap and safe and to fully make it a green car they should put recycled parts on it and in the future these car should be more areodynamic

[miniborgs12]

they should put solar cells on top of this car to charge the battery during the day or use the solar cells to run its radio and ac like the pruis

[Archimedes555453525]

Excellent, I want one of those

[poopymcassholenuts]

They made an Electric Mini cooper for the remake of the movie '"The Italian Job." The scene where they are driving through the water wash, they had to convert the cars to electric in order to save the crew from excessive carbon monoxide inhalation while filming the scenes. Seems like they have decided to market on it, and twice fold.

[btbking]

I want one.

[WC9456]

holy tits, thats incredible 150mph 900 miles OMG

[itsacorporatething]

that has to be a mistake, 4000 calculations a second is very slow for a computer. I think they meant that 4000 times a second the wheel gets synchronized and checked for skidding and stuff.

[11supaman11]

how did they get past the synchronization problem??

[comanchehotspot]

I WILL NEVER OWN ONE. FUCK YOU ALL!

[reazrj]

haha  ,,,,says it all

[DYNO323]

it has a bikes esgine o the back...

so it still uses gas...so in conclusion its still a hybrid!!!

not a full ev...am i right?

[Dunkopf]

yes but it has itty bitty moter that i beleave that it will be fazed out

[somesillysap]

amazing..........

even a woman could drive this :)

[ericssson]

i was in the detroit and montreal show how about you...

i know they don't make or build anything in wombat country

but you don't need to piss on somebody else carpet..

you may suffer from a little Bipolar disorder..

[ericssson]

get your info together man !!

TM4 and Groupe Dassault

already have a car out there it was at the Detroit car show

get out of Wikipedia you douche

[tsport100]

You're living in a time warp mate.

The Dassault deal was announced in 2007 and there wasn't a single story from Detroit 2009 about either of those companies. The latest news on TM4 is a partnership with Tata to sell inverted rotor PM motors for EVs in Norway but they AREN'T WORKING WITH ANYONE on wheel motors. Prove me wrong dickhead!

BTW all the SPAM you left on my videos has been deleted mate.

[ericssson]

it's working

[nifftynick]

youve gotta be kidding.just imagine how many ways the customer will be ripped off in servicing that thing.computer on every wheel --only 3 buttons--make sure they are ctrl/alt and del

[mindstormsabrewin]

How about if each wheel spins a geared, high speed, magnetic flywheel/coil assembly that feeds back into the battery along with the braking power generator. I'm not really into engineering or electronics professionally but how about it? Any engineer types out there think it may be an idea worth looking into? How about wind ducts along the side of a car that channels wind into turbines that replenish the battery? Polymer solar cells all over the car? All combined, it could be a very efficient car

[razorx71]

Wind turbines are generally 50% efficient so you would lose twice the energy that is collected by drag. Generators create drag. If you had generators in the wheels that ran all the time it would act as a constant brake.

[mindstormsabrewin]

I hadn't considered those very good points. Thank you for clarifying. Peace.

[tsport100]

The vehicles entire mass acts as a 'flywheel' as the energy applied to accelerate mass becomes inertia.

During constant speed driving the only forces that disipate inertia are aero and rolling restsistance.

When you use the motors to brake you are collecting energy from inertia and converting it back into electricity to recharge the batteries.

Mini turbines collect the same energy, the MiEV sport had mini wind turbine in the front bumper, only used when braking, so that's doubling up.

[razorx71]

You are better off being more aerodynamic, unless you have some kind of flap which moves, the mini wind turbine would be creating drag the entire time. If it was only used by breaking.. it wouldn't really be doubling up it would be taking away from the more efficient action of the regenerative breaking. The turbine brake sounds more like a proof of concept model than a practical application. Tesla's regenerative breaking is 67% - 10% better than the maximum a drag based turbine can achieve.

[tsport100]

Why would anyone use a drag turbine? I agree mini turbines are a gimick and more trouble that it's worth when you have regen.

I'd be interested to know where you got a figure of 67% for the Tesla?? I've read a figure of 50% for the tzero, whcih is what teh Tesal is based on. The Tesla is only RWD which limits how much regen can be applied. 70% of braking is done on the front wheels so regen efficiency could be massively improved by either having FWD and/or AWD for regen.

[ericssson]

it was develope by Hydro Quebec

[tsport100]

Why do Canadians have so much pride in a failed project? Hydro canned the project years ago and haven't even made a public demo of their motors.

Mitsubishi and Siemens also have similar systems. Michelin say they're going to have a production car with wheel motors by 2010. Even GM have wheel motors.

Porsche actually built the 1st of 300 EVs with wheel motors in 1897.

BTW the company in this video has been in administration since Nov 2008

[razorx71]

Tesla turbine is still using adhesion and how do you get air into the turbine? drag. The regenerative breaking system is far more efficient than any air based drag system in recovering energy. The rest of the time you are just lowering overall efficiencies by having turbines which are counter productive to aerodynamics. Any turbine you would make would only rob the more efficient direct system.

[tsport100]

There are 2 types of aero blade used in turbines 'lift' & 'drag'. If there's no LOAD applied to the generator connected to the turbine blades than it's not causing any extra aero resitance. The Tesla has a mechanical transmission for a start that losses 20% between tires and motor shaft. Google the MiEV Sport and you'll see the blades are small and in the front bumper. It's only a gimmick.

[razorx71]

There is aero resistance.. how do you think it gets spinning? You will only be extracting a portion of the centrifugal force of the turbine (which is creating constant drag) and robbing a more efficient system. If you have a tesla style turbine you will need a scoop for air which will provide constant drag, or energy robbing mechanisms. It makes much more sense to have a highly aerodynamic shape and use only regenerative breaking.

[tsport100]

What are you talking about a Tesla turbine... get a life

[razorx71]

Get a life? how about you get some sense.

[tsport100]

Go argue with yourself pal, you might win.

Tesla turbines are loons only subject LOL. I was talking about the Tesla Roadster LOL

Your an idiot mate!

[razorx71]

I was talking about both. Go mount a bunch of propellers on your car and see what people call you there bud.

[galactophore]

retarded, in wheel motors make the unsprung weight waaaaay too great reducing handleing and there is a big problem when trying to make a motor for high amperes at low and high rpms with little weight. When I heard 900 mile range I nearly sh!t my pants but it's only a hybrid. Check out eestor for a battery(actually an ultra-capacitor) that does 300 miles, weighs 300 lbs and has no life cycles.

[adamslurch71]

the unsprung weight of a vehicle with an in wheel motor is actually less then a traditional vehicle, I know it sounds odd but I have built a few electric cars and they are all lighter in every way and actually handle better due to reduced weight. Lets say that eh unsprung weight is more for this car by chance, the car itself is still lighter so would that in turn help performance in every way?

[galactophore]

Over all weight being less, depends on the type of battery and capacity. As far as unsprung weight being less for in wheel motors that is absolutely not true. You still have to have brakes and a large chuck of iron or aluminum to mount the suspension just as a normal car would but electric cars also have a boat load of copper wiring and if it's a bldc and not an ac motor it will have heavy ferrous magnets also.

[galactophore]

Even if the brake's size could be reduced due to the electric motor acting as a regenerative/dynamic brake it still couldn't be feasibly lighter. And don't say eliminate the disc brake altogether because aside from the technical difficulties and horrible inefficiencies that would create US law mandates a secondary mechanical braking system, ala parking brakes. All common sense but If you have proof to the contrary I'd love to see it.

[leysandercar]

It will be obsolete within 12 months. see Ismael Car YTB run and charging using two batt only. One charging other one supply

[toastyovens]

I hope this doesn't take off. WHo's gonna feed the families of internal combustion car manufacturing workers?

Petroleum cars for the win!

[HollowEarthling]

This is the most advanced drive train anyone is ALLOWED to make U mean boyz...

[5thDensity]

This was posted over a year ago... what is its status to date, anyone know?

[patriotedesplaines]

motor-wheel is a technology developped by Hydro-Québec, the national electric company of Québec.

[oreo4president]

My biggest concern is theft....

People pop off the tire and have a motor.

Much quicker than stealing a ICE engine from a car.

[terry1919]

well my friend there are LOCKS that are available for wheels something that has been developed by people[the hip hop crowd] who spend $3000 just on RIMS for a car

[oreo4president]

But would you not agree that in-wheel engines are more "readily available" then an extremely heavy and complex ICE??

You're right about locks though....i forget people spend that much on the aesthetics of wheels.

[TheSaintST1]

I'd prefer to see each motor inboard though, to help reduce the unsprung load at each hub. Energy scavenging should be taken from the movements in the shock absorbers. Store the total charge in a capacitor that then feeds constant charge to a battery..

[gettuff2]

Very good idea!

[TheSaintST1]

IMO, I believe diesel-electric hybrids should be like this.. It operates similar to how diesel-eletric trains work and would be so suited to heavy goods vehicles. Given the ultra efficient engines which are coming through, the range for this type of hybrid will steadily increase over time. Potentially it could seriously cut CO2 emissions.

[gettuff2]

Yes the time for abusing nature is coming to a close. I am trying to live my life by reducing my needs and wants by focusing on my real, spiritual, nature rather than my bodily nature, which is sure to come to an end. Living with less leads to knowing the self more,,I hope!

[GRAHAMAUS]

This car is the business. 10 years ago some friends and I idly discussed how a hybrid *should* be built - then did nothing about it. This is that car, and it works! This knocks the lame-o Prius into touch. Mechanical hybrids are a joke, and completely unnecessary. PML should find a partner to get this car on the market ASAP. Since seeing this car, I suddenly see all IC driven cars as dinosaurs. Like the steam engine, their best days are long behind them.

[myhomeshots]

very expensive easy to damage wheel, and very expensive tire change. Great idea but I think impractical.

[KenMacMillan]

Anyone know if this car is test driving yet?

[terry1919]

this is what I call a TRUE HYBRID...

scale it up...

 it could drive an 18 wheeled tractor trailer....

this could power a hummer

[oreo4president]

actually HYBRID means using two things.

i.e.

Gas and electricity like the Toyota Prius.

This car, from my understanding JUST uses an electric drive train...so really its not "true hybrid" but rather an Electric car.

[terry1919]

now look at the video AGAIN specifically 0:49 0:50 0:51 the Small INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE fulfills the DEFINITION of a HYBRID!!!!

[oreo4president]

Well the ICE isn't actually part of the drive train, correct? It just charges the battery.

Hybrid by definition - anything derived from heterogeneous sources, or composed of elements of different or incongruous kinds: a hybrid of the academic and business worlds.

So you are right in calling it a hybrid. But I still would call it an electric car because the ICE isn't driving or even assisting the drivetrain, it just charges battery. Its refreshing to talk to someone who doesn't just curse.:D

[3461167]

i want this car!! how much?!?!

[jester070993]

50K

[Renegadebay]

Its the design I wondered why no one was working on... a battery powered car with a recharging generator... and 0-60 in 4 sec, 900 miles range makes it even more appealing. Just wish I had the resources to finance it. BRING IT ON GUYS, LETS "DUMP" THE 'stinking fossil fuel' industry and conglomerates for good... PERMANENTLY.

[HydrOxyBoost]

This is the most excelent hybrid design I have seen so fare.

No dubt someone morons will try to kill it.

[alienmoonbase]

Pull the ICE and replace it with more batteries.

SELL THE WHEELS WITH A BATTERY KIT.

BOLT TWO OF THEM ON ANY ICE CAR

START YOUR CAR AND LEAV IT IN IDLE TO RUN POWER STEERING, AC, ETC.

SO YOU DRIVE TO WORK IN IDLE ON ELECTRIC POWER

A GREAT TRANSITION TO FULL ELECTRIC

[HydrOxyBoost]

If you take out the ICE, the range would go to shit.

If the mini has a 10 gallon tank that would be 90 MPG. which is excelent.

If you had to use lithium Ions for a fully elecric car the battery pack itself would cost about $60000 for a 300 mile range.

[world101010]

This is what we need in road... is there any for sale???

[cant7think7clearly]

I loved it until I saw the petrol generator. I wonder what the range would be without it?

[deKubber]

i believe their website says 350 miles using electricity alone

[pnroyal]

What is the website for this company? Please and Thank you... 8)

[demestixas]

search for a video 'who killed the electric car'.

[milofonbil]

... an interesting scam by Chevron buying up the patents for high capacity NiMH batteries. It's also interesting as to how there are over 140 holds on all the copies of the video at my local library and Block Buster's copies have all been bought by people renting them and not bringing them back.

[tsport100]

Not only did Chevron buy the patents but they also sued Toyota/Panasonic and stopped the EV market for NiMH cold (and picked up $30 Mil).

Perhaps more of concern is that Chevron have invested in A123 Systems already~! Can only hope this isn't a sequel!

[HiTekVagabond]

Yes .. Chevron is extremely predatory

[terry1919]

with Obama as President He will force these patents into the Market

[afleececooper]

He has no authority on the specific British Patents here, somewhat more likely is that it is already in these people's interest to licence the technology to other manufacturers, so the issue will take care of itself.

Without Patent protection, people will not invest in the research, however, strongly encouraging 'fair' licensing works for everyone :)

[terry1919]

in 1978 a group of Engineers from GM and GE [2 American corporations] TESTED a similar AUTO at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway it was a Diesel Electric Hybrid with the In-the-wheel motors using the similar design of the Lohner-Porsche design of 1909... therefore it could be considered Public Domain and if GM wants the 30 BILLION for their bail out Obama should FORCE the issue

[afleececooper]

Yep (Terry1919), the basic concept is public domain, but the specific solution will have a patentable aspect.

Nobody invests the research money, unless there is a patent guaranteed reward, and patent law (on which I'm not an expert but know a little) is arcanely complicated, but protects for example, the specific software solutions these people have found.

You can start from scratch, but the control systems for these are very complicated to optimise.

Bail out conditions are a good idea:)

[tsport100]

Smoke and Mirrors!! IT DOESN'T DRIVE!

[Dilekz]

Here in holland there is a bus made like this. In wheel electric engines with a diesel generator. It had twice the range of a normal bus. No smoke and mirrors..

Why the fuck do we have like Electric scooters as a project on school ?? Man Gasoline cars are all smoke and mirrors dude.

[tsport100]

LISTEN KID, this Mini does not drive! Go look at their web site and read for yourself. It's amazing how far they've got based on a static Mini 'concept' car with a couple of fake wheel motors bolted onto it that need wood blocks to chock it's wheels. Check out the videos on my channel before you start swearing KID!

[Dilekz]

Yes but the company who build those wheels here for the bus.. also is a partner for those in wheel motors for the mini... The company called E-traction. And that one DID drive.. e-traction dot NL . Check it out. The specs for the mini wouldn't be 100% true. But it could drive for sure.

[tsport100]

For sure it 'could' work but it doesn't!!! 5 years of development and it still doesn't drive? In this interview they talk about shit like neural networks and artificial intelligence, they're totally off the planet. My main business is wheel motor R&D and it only requires standard inverters to run them and a PID to do stability control. It shouldn't take 5 years to make a demo car drive! Smells like 'Vapourware' to me, just like the 2 companies that have announced cars using these motors.

[Furrowbrow]

Ah.. you've got a rival company.. that'll be why you've been posting derogatory comments on all of the PML Mini videos on youtube, then. The development and technology that has gone into this project extends a long way beyond dropping an electric motor into an Arial Atom. Anyone could do that.

[tsport100]

Close but no cigar!

[Furrowbrow]

Closer than you think. My academic institution (last year) was Portsmouth universtiy, techonlogy faculty.

I am deeply interested in electric automotive technology, so would be very enthused by anything you might be doing that rivals this, despite my natural bias. ;) What sort of projects are you working on?

[tttthephantom]

You should visit EVtransPortal (dot com) if you are interested in new developments in EV's there are over 850 links to EV companies, organizations, suppliers etc....

[milofonbil]

So are you still making vaporware?

[tsport100]

My project is a work in progress but it actually works so it's not exactly vaporware. Still in stealth mode so I'm hardly going to make announcements in the comments forum on YouTube.

That would be Howell industries as in "Thurston Howell III"?? Yeah right!

[milofonbil]

You got it. I have a fake persona. Isn't it obvious?

I don't need to get stalked by some right-wing nut that believes that there is no such thing as Peak oil because God gives them oil under Iraq.

[tsport100]

Why would you get stalked, you haven't put any videos on-line??

[milofonbil]

I changed ID's.

Neocon extreme right wingers are very adamant about supporting the propaganda they have been fed. Analysis of their "facts" leads to ad hominem attacks and then stalking. They don't readily admit to obvious flaws in their belief systems.

[milofonbil]

Popular Mechanics & Hybrid's(OTCBB:HYBT)Electric Mini Cooper ... Watch that Electric Mini Cooper drive in New York.

[tsport100]

Seen it! It's not exactly running wheel motors is it!

[tttthephantom]

The New York Mini is a hybrid conversion by Hybrid Technologies, not the same vehicle as the Mini QED by PML You can find both companies on EVtransPortal, Hybrid

Technologies is listed in the conversion category of links, PML is in the EV equipment suppliers, and drive system engineering company links on EVtransPortal

[milofonbil]

I had gathered that. Thanks.

[panostsak]

This is simply amazing...imagine owning one of those. I hope companies will actually use this technology and apply it on mass production cars. Thnx for the video mate!