how is ones expression of faith bigotry? your words are offensive and ignorant. almost shocking that youre so compelled to prove me wrong... flattering even. youre pretty much saying the oceans blue cuz youre looking at it from land(people die and you never hear from em again, so your left on earth believing theyr dead)but when you get out on the water and look over board you realize the oceans more dark green than blue. while you were on land you were so sure it was blue. i hope youre smart en
this song is ignorant. learn quatum physics before you make a bold statement lik "the nonexsistance of a utopian dimension. the atheist who wrote this song is preaching the exsistance of God in an alternate universe. "anything that is possible is probable" anything that CAN happen, likely WILL happen....sooner or later, so whos to say it already DIDNT happen in an alternate world. pick up a BOOK before singing ignorance. the bible for one. then realize we all fall under the physical blueprint t
@arunarun704 not at all. and what is atheist? and you cannot possibly comprehend God if your image of him is an "imaginary friend" there are clear evidence of his works through out history... im not speaking of religion, rather a relation. i sorta see God as a scientist that created the cosmos. micro and giant. without him you, the plants, the insects, the birds etc wouldnt be here. the creator of conscious thought so to speak,
Hello, there is sth called natural selection which combined with the anthropic principle, can explain most of the things you mentioned that are in the cosmos. Also, the god hypothesis is no use in explaining anything. God always gets shaved off by the sharp Occam's razor. Assuming god created everything is just begging the question, because then who created god.? And then you have to account for all his properties - this is just exaggerating the problem.
@arunarun704 but what if... us and our cosmos is only a thought in God's mind. like we feel real, and bound by our laws and theories. but what if we, our world, and our laws only exist bcuz God said so. i pondered on the thought; how does God know everything, how many hairs on our heads. etc. the only way would be that we are a creation of his imagination. so when you see the bigger picture, i dont think the question "who created God" matters... more like. who are "we" and why.
@LordAlbert69 how do u explain God and who made God? God's God? and then who made God's God's God?There is no concrete evidence for such a being to exist.And your hypothesis about every thing being some supernatural being's imagination is wild baseless imagination.Also ur quote "dont think the question "who created God matters." then why does who created the universe matter? and if it doesnt no God is required in the first place.You are delusional and reluctant to give up ur bigotry.peace
The Creator of the universe cannot be preceded by non-existence; otherwise, He would need another god to create Him; and that god, if he is preceded by non-existence, would need another god and so on. Thus, we would have an endless chain of gods without reaching a **causeless cause** to be the source of the existence of the universe.
Then we have to deny the existence of the universe. We would also have to deny ourselves because we are a part of the universe.
@1tabligh Thats incoherent babbling.If you agree 2 the idea of universe preceded by a creator who is not preceded by non-existence, then why cant you accept the idea of universe existing as a dot since forever.Why add an unnecessary, imaginary, unproven and out of ones arse step of God existing?When you insert such concepts to important questions like existence you better prop it up with solid evidence, or it means nothing.
whats the the need or evidence to add that unnecessary step?How about i add some glass powder to your tea, i feel its good for you, would you be ok with that? its just one additional ingredient and i have Faith it is good for you.
@sushanalone His Existence is not coming into Being from non-existence.
If in the course of developing the argument of the orderliness of the universe we attempt to prove the existence of a maker similar to the human maker, the divine maker will, in reality, also be a created being on the level of man; proving the existence of such a maker is an entirely different matter from proving the existence of the Maker and Creator of all being.
@unfad1ng you give 2 definitions of disease. 1) something that has no value. This definition can be discredited for being meaningless. you will have to define value and prove that being gay cant fit into the category before i can take this definition as credible. furthermore, no such thing as objective value exists. so you're arbitrarily deciding what has value and what doesnt. its arbitrary.
what you do is your business, just please don't try to tell me your perversion is normal by what animals do. You should be wiser than an animal that don't know the difference between right and wrong, morals. Most animals are put here for one reason to multiply, it is just that some don't do it very well.
You know how but choose to be perverted, in another words do it the wrong way.
Its not because its moral or immoral it is because there is no evolutionary advantage in fucking individuals of the samesex and not fucking them of the opposite sex.
There is no point in being homosexual, it is completly unnessecary.
@timestandingstill i didnt say being gay was normal. YOU asserted that being gay was NOT normal. i asked you to explain this and you failed to provide any kind of answer. Openmindedness and tolerance score: 1 ; hate, bigotry and conservatism score: 0
@unfad1ng listen mate, if you had any idea how much hatred and discrimination there is towards gay people, you would not question whether people are born gay. many gays desperately don't want to be gay because of all the persecution and hatred there is towards them. ask one! he may tell you "i tried to be straight, but it is simply not a choice." it's really sad how we perpetuate bigotry.
and yes there are some scientific sources. it sounds like there is quite a bit of research you could do.
@unfad1ng try to think outside your own position, and consider that some people may just be different - homosexuals arent really "secret bisexuals". just recognize that people are different, and accept everyone. wouldnt that be a better world? homosexuality is as natural as blue eyed people. it exists in nature, so its natural. there is no "reason" for ANYTHING to exist! and certainly no reason for genes: everything exists because of MUTATION - that is the basis of evolution! just accept people.
Its because homosexual ehavior is not benefictial for survival, a homosexual mutation would die out instantly since there would be no offspring.
On the other hadn bisexual bwhavior does have a survival value.
Im NOT hateful against homosexuals im just looking at the phenomenon from a scientific point of view and the behavior seems unatural to me because it lacks survival value
I accept that people wish to live as homosexuals if they want to.
I Accept people with AD/HD just as much as people without it.
I feel the same way about homosexualitym i respect the poeple but the behavior is unatural and therefore a disease but i dont think they can help that they are homosexuals and i think they deserve to be treated the same way as eveyone else im just questioning the belief that its natural.
Just because something isnt natural doesnt mean people who do it are people to look down on.
@unfad1ng i agree very much with your last point: however, how can you say that being gay is unnatural? what exactly do you mean by natural??? it occurs in nature. it is as natural as trees or eagles.
as for calling it a "disease", that's a whole different issue. if you are defining a disease as "everything that is not benificial to carrying on one's genes", then being shorter than average is a disease, having poor eyesight so that you need glasses is a disease, and being unattractive is too.
The thing is its not possible to spread your genes if you are gay since you wount get anyone pregnant, terefor it cant be spread throught the generations because if a gay mutation occurs it will die out directly because of no offspring.
Therefore it has to be something else, it can be simmiliar to bad eyesight if the bad eyesight is not genetical,
like if something goes wrong with your eyes but you do not carry the bad eye gene.
@unfad1ng problems with your analysis/argument: 1) i'm not sure it IS genetic, but whether it is or not doesn't matter. (i have heard before that there is in fact a genetic component - which is nearly always the case with ALL things, part nature, part nurture.)
2) gay people are not impotent. they can fuck someone to get them pregnant.
3) there are other ways of continuing your genes than fucking ie. donating sperm to male or female, artificial insemination, freezing sperm in bank
1: Being gay is a disease in the same way as AD/HD is a disease because it has no value.
2: Gay people wont fuck women. Would you fuck a man?
3: Sperm donation and freezing sperm and insemination is all very new method and homosexuality if genetic has to have evolved way before any of those even existed!
That is why it cant be genetic, because the gene cant be spread.
@unfad1ng 4) this is all based off hypothetical! neither of us know precisely the cause or explanation of being gay. therefore, let neither of us conjecture about what could and couldn't be possible throughout the ages - the fact is, neither of us know. i have demonstrated that IF gayness is FULLY genetic, it COULD be "spread throughout the generations."
i assume you have conceded that being gay is both natural and not a disease, as my post "i agree" addressed both those and you didnt respond.
im defining disease as everything that does not come about by genes or nurture(raising of children).
It cant be changed by simply training it away and it is not genetic thaths what i mean by disease, i dont mean its a virus but rather a dysfunction soemthing that has gone wrong.
@unfad1ng 2) something neither genetic nor nurtured. the obvious problem with this definition is that we dont know if it is genetic, either partially or fully. we can't make definitions or facts off guesses. unless you're a genetic scientist, i would suggest you are not qualified to judge this.
however, even if i accept your premise, there are problems. heterosexuality would fall under "diseaese". so would calm personality.
furthermore, many diseases wouldnt be "diseases" eg.down syndrome.
heterosexually is natural becasue its benefictial for passing on genes.
Calm personality and heterosexuality is based on both nurture and genes.
homosexuality cant be passed on thru genes sicne homosexuals dont get children, isnt that obvious? and also people are born homosexuals so therefore it cant be genetic and it cant be nurture, so what is it? something goes wrong when the human being is formed obviously, therefore i call it a "disease",
no homosexuals can only have children in societies were its normative to be heterosexual, not in a natural state when nothing is normative then they will not reproduce,
this means: Homosexuals only reproduce when society forces them to reproduce.
Therefore their genes cant be passed on whilst a short person can pass its genes on easier since short persons wil seek out mates for mating.
@unfad1ng (something goes wrong when the human being is formed obviously, therefore i call it a "disease",)WRONG!! Homosexuality is not a decease, get your head out of your ass!! Homosexuality comes in two forms, born or by choice. Born: Some homosexual males did not receive enough testosterone hormones from birth thus it's likely the individual is born deficient in this particular hormone but has an excess of estrogen hormone, making them more female by "birth defect" not a disease! Cont:
@unfad1ng Cont: And other choose!! to be homosexuals. It's is part of nature, has it's been proven in many other species, yet they've been procreating for thousands of years before we even evolved.
@unfad1ng But that's the problem of your incomprehensibility, IT IS NATURAL!!!! Not all individuals of the same species are homosexual, but there is within that said species elements of "total homosexuality" with the same characteristics as humans of avoiding contact with female counterparts. Do the research, I just googled it for one second and found a very interesting article on National Geographic News.
@unfad1ng Explain what? Homosexuality? it exists period, and it's natural period! Are you really that dense? Just cause it exist in nature does not mean it's natural? WTF? Because homosexuality exist in nature within other species! It is precisely why it is NATURAL!
You fail to provide any reasonable explanation for your point of view.
Im telling you that it is not natural which means even in the animal kingdom that behaviour is becasue something is wrong maybe in hormonal balance or something, but its not natural because its not how a normal animal behaves simply because its a behaviour which serves no survial purpose.
since you dont understand what i mean i suggest we end this discussion
@unfad1ng I comprehend what your saying. The hormonal imbalance is something that malfunctions naturally, thus you've got homosexuality of one variation or another, your right! it does not serve a survival purpose, however the malfunction of hormonal imbalance is not so widespread as to threaten the species. Even in human species the majority of people are not homosexuals, thus it's not hurting our continuation of our species.
yes thaths right , but if it was genetical it would hurt a species, if it is not genetical it doesnt hurt the species but wount disapear thru evolution either
@unfad1ng True if it was "genetically" passed on, it would most certainly reduce the species, however it has been found out that there's no such thing as a "gay" gene! LOL..Most homosexuals I've met so far, have been through strait parents. I've openly questioned one of my gay friends, and he basically told me, that from a very young age he knew he was different, and discovered his true sexual orientation during his teen years.
@unfad1ng Are you a girl? just asking. I never had the attraction to same sex, but I've had some tripped out experiences, that I've felt very uncomfortable with. A gay friend told me once, "there's nothing homosexual about you!!" that set me at ease I suppose, I do have an open mind, and all but I couldn't take it when my friend brought dudes over, and I had to hear them, in the next room "doing it" I freaking left every time! LOL..
no im a guy and i just remembered the first time i fell in love with someone when you told me about your friend knowing his sexual orientation from a young age.
I dont really know my sexual orientation since ive only been in love with girls but i sometimes feel attracted to both but i think im more attracted to girls well that makes me wonder wheter im hetero or bisexual and it really is confusing
@unfad1ng Just as confusing as heterosexual love is. Here's the thing, I got plastered with my room mate, he's gay, I'm not. He tried, and I couldn't get a rise when he tried giving a bj, something my girl friend always managed, no matter how wasted I was..LOL..Most simple explanation; I wasn't get in to it with a guy it's completely psychological. Why did I even let him try? I suppose I may have been confused as well. But that one experience defined my sexuality preference with out a doubt.
But they did not have kids until it became normative to be heterosexual.
i know genetics only makes it more probable to become gay and is not a guranatee but nevertheless regardless of what you think about homosexuality its not how it was meant to be.
i have nothing against gay people and i tihnk they are every bit as good people as everyone else.
@unfad1ng i never said anything about your downs syndrome comparison. but dont you see how you are being closeminded and unaccepting of differences? kkk say anyone not white should be killed - christians say anyone not christian is going to hell - homophobes say anyone not completely straight (including you) is a disgrace, and unnatural. now you say bisexuality is normal, but COMPLETE homosexuality is an unnatural disease. dont you see what youre doing? why dont we all just accept EVERYONE?
@unfad1ng as for the genetics: understand that genetics are incredibly, incredibly complicated. We've only begun to decode the human genome! (some scientists predict this will be the 'century of the gene' fyi). so there may or may not be genes involved in homosexuality, but either way, it is not completely one thing. We have genes, as well as a recent discovery that we have whats called an "epigenome". this is like an outer layer that activates certain genes. So genes could be dormant for years!
@unfad1ng *Dormant for generations, also. hypothetically, your great great grandpa could have a partially activated gene (i believe there is a gene or are genes that have been found to be at least partly involved in gayness), let's say a "gay" gene, and you could have that centuries later. it might not even be activated! it's even possible that it becomes activated in your lifetime. how ironic it would be if tomorrow morning you feel this "disease" where you cant stop watching guys asses!
I am not being hateful towards gay people so you dont have to ridicule me for calling it a disease. But you have to agree that its unatural and wheter you want it or not there is nothing natural about being gay. Because even if the gene is dormant for generations there is no reason for it to evolve in the first place therefore homosexuality cant be genetical.
And if its not genetical then it is a disease or a damage in the same sense as downs syndrom.
Hebrews 11 1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2For by it the elders obtained a good report. 3Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
It really makes me sick to think that all animals on the farm would have unnatural urges, If that were the case, you wouldn't be able to go to McDonalds and get a hamburger because the cow would seize to exist. "Oh look dear there are 2 bulls making out in the barn, how lovely, a wonder why they do that?" ("call the vet there is something wrong!") I am just joking, I hope you can see the jest of that.
1st I want to say I have never had homo urges. James 1: 15 13Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death"
Sex is good but perverting something is not. To get nothing out of a glass you simply fill it with water or something else.
The bible classifies the unsaved as dogs, have you ever watched a male dog, they will try to hump anything, someones arm, leg, a chair, etc. I wonder how many humans copy these actions and think they are normal??? Sorry but I am not stoning but rather telling the truth.
NOOOOO!!! I was this on a program on TV about Chaplains in Australia about 5 minutes ago, and now the cursed song is stuck in my head! >_< I love seeing animals floating up into the sky for the chorus.
Jesus has already proved himself by his word and giving his life on the cross. to allow people to really see their vanity and their sins. His word is still in front of your face, not some invisible monkey. They hung him there, but he gave his life, they never took it. He will return, and then you will see.
I'm confused, timesstandingstill. Seriously, I can't get a Christian to answer this satisfactorily, if Jesus was sacrificed, then how can it be considered a sacrifice if he got to be resurrected? If it was to come back later, couldn't he just have died ultimately later, as a sacrifice? Also, if resurrection was necessary, is resurrection only reserved for the spawn of God himself or the folk of his choosing to be resurrected?
Oh then prove that jesus' word is trustworthy, i mean how do you know? Because the bible says so? But then what makes the little red riding hood false? I mean i can see the book, and in it, there is a little girl with a red hood. So how do we know she doesn't exist.
Also you don't have to prove something doesn't exist, you have to prove that it does, because if you can't then either way whatever it is, is not relative to the subjective universe.
oh i get it, and walking around carrying a book written by a group of human beings 2000 or so years ago and claiming that it was the written word of a man in the sky, and thinking that everybody who doesn't believe everything you do is going to burn forever... that's not bitterness? that's better then being self sufficient and understanding how your own life and your own world works? yeah, makes perfect sense.
Dear ChewablyD--------, you are joking right? Somethings never change, When God Created something and he called it Good, I believe he knew what he was talking about. His word is Good, not mine.
I can only say what is written and then learn to be humble to it, then he gives the Grace. I hope this helps. "God resists the proud but gives Grace to the humble."
You have to turn from sin or sin will get you.
"Lust brings forth sin and sin when it is finished brings forth death."
that doesn't help anything, that's just you preaching your beliefs to me and trying to once again convert me, but in your words "help" which by the way is not going to happen, ever. Anybody can justify anything using christianity... Adolf Hitler is a perfect example, a christian himself who logically and accurately justified his genocidal actions with the holy bible... humble yourself to that. The "word of god" as you call it was lost in translation thousands of years ago.
. temple in Jerusalem: either of two successive temples in Jerusalem. The First Temple was built by Solomon in 957 bc and destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar II in 586 bc. The Second Temple was destroyed by the Romans in ad 70.
Jesus Christ brought Grace and Truth.
They no longer stone someone who commits adultery, etc. G-R-A-C-E
@SuperMerlin100, I was just thinking of how you could sell your computer, and take the money and do something productive with the money, Instead of sending hate messages abroud. Christians do help alot more than you think. God Still has a great Love for you my Friend, Just because you can't comprehend Him as being a Spirit, and being Good. What do you want? He gave you Freedom to choose what you want out of Life, and through his precepts he will show you a way where there seems to be none.
@timestandingstill You're the christian. You're the one suppose to do this. Unless you just think you're a christian.
A besides that Jesus guy was just a ripoff of the true savior who has just as much proof that they exist, Osiris.
And it isn't hate mail. I'm reminding them of what the bible says.
But once again thanks for the laugh. To think someone who thinks God could send me to hell justly for my not believing in would call what I write hate mail.
@timestandingstill Then why bother trying to convert us. Last time I checked the reason why the bible and christians incess we convert was because you think we're going to hell.
According to the scriptures I think are bullshit I'm wrong such a "good" arguement.
The quran says the same thing about both of us, but can you find a solid reason to reject the quran but not the bible (the bible says so doesn't count)?
@cuythulu, I guess some people never change. When something is good, most generally people like it, of course there are allways those odd balls. As for me, I am convenced, that the good things in life, you sometimes have to explore and when you do with a humble heart, you learn.
I can't tell you what to do, that book can't either, you choose what you want in life, if your ways are evil,then of course you are goning to hate the bible, because it speaks against what you do.
@unfad1ng Those who support the homosexuals are not helping them.
Nobody really has to have sex, period, not to mention something like homosexual actions which are not NORMAL at all. If I were to have a support group it would not involve homosexuals. Sorry about that, it is Just not Normal, no more than a rooster mating with another rooster, it just doesn't make any since to me.
@timestandingstill are you serious? or are you mocking conservatives? to answer, roosters do mate with other roosters... animals are gay too :)... which leads me to wonder what you mean by normal with a capital N. if all you mean by that is that gay people are less common than straight people, you're right (maybe not if we count bisexuals however) but then vegans are minority, as are lefthanders or atheists ot jews or blacks(in North America). and whites are the minority in the world! so what?
@unfad1ng This is what makes the difference between animals and Humans, the animal goes strictly on instinct to multiply and sometimes can't figure out which is male or female sometimes, Man knows better!
I'm not stoning, I am just not giving them any excuses for their perversion.
@unfad1ng I have a hard time believing that. Where are the scientists?
I'm sure they could come up with a drug to cure that unless it deals with lust of a perverted mind.
Why don't you ever hear anyone going to get help for this, if it is a hormonal disease? I don't throw stones at dogs but if one starts trying to hump my leg he would get a quick kick to get him to stop.
Again you don't have to have sex period. I know the urge can be great at times to have sex but there are ways w/o perversion.
Sex is very good for your health and its very beneficial to have sex so you kinda have to have sex if you wanna be healthy.
But i think the reason why they dont get cures is because your not allowed to question the politically correct beleif that its as natural as eveything else, this prevents scientists from devloping a cure
@unfad1ng i'm nearly positive that is untrue (wikipedia "List of animals displaying homosexual behavior"), however, even the fact that animals are bisexual is enough to make my point, that certain tendencies occur in nature. therefore, if by normal, you mean natural, you are still incorrect.
@timestandingstill so now you seem to be implying that gay people have smaller brain size then straight people. and why not? this (obvious lie) is exactly as supported as every other point you have made on this entire page. clearly it is not brain size that makes the difference, it is mutations in the brain processes that result in the differences we observe in mental capacities: fully functioning brains or brains that process at a very minimal level; scientists brains or creationists brains.
@timestandingstill so now you seem to be implying that gay people have smaller brain size then straight people. and why not? this (obvious lie) is exactly as supported as every other point you have made on this entire page. clearly it is not brain size that makes the difference, it is mutations in the brain processes that result in the differences we observe in mental capacities: fully functioning brains or brains that process at a very minimal level; scientists brains or creationists brains.
@timestandingstill the right choice being for a man to fuck women. the wrong choice being for a man to fuck men. is that what you mean? so if it were that simple, why would a man ever choose to fuck men? do YOU want to fuck men, but you know God won't allow it, so you just REFRAIN from fucking men? is that the only thing holding you back? of course not, you don't want to fuck men. so you are obviously different. use a bit of logic here please.
Well they do come from both your mother and your father and 2 X chromosomes means a female and 1 x and one 1y means a male, logically the male sexuality derives from the y chromosome.
Genes produce throu mutations and if the mutations leads to improved survivability then they survive and are copied to the enxt generation, a homosexuality gene cannot survive since if you are not attracted to the opposite sex there are no offspring.
Regarding bisexuality it can survive if it helps the individual to survive which is possilbe when living in groups of many individuals, sex with a same-sexcompanion can be used as a way of getting better social interaction in the group and solves conflicts easier well thaths the most plausible explanation.
@unfad1ng ... what are you talking about - that's not how evolution works. the way there can be gay animals is the same way there are gay people. unless you deny that any person is actually gay. so-called "gay" people actually just chose to worship the devil or some such nonsense
@CheStillFighting It is called free will or choice, you choose your desires,and according to the bible, people will be turned over to their own imaginations.
Just because you can get someone or a group to agree with you on something doesn't mean it is right.
@unfad1ng i'm a big fan of Freud, he was brilliant. however, here, he was wrong. he was wrong about a few things. it is a scientific fact that people are gay or straight from birth. fact. i wont debate this, do some research. the causes of bisexuality is more open for debate.
as for the science behind gayness: it doesn't have to be a gene. there are men born without penises. how the fuck do you explain this!! its not an "evolutionary advantage".
@timestandingstill furthermore, christians are the majority (in US) so that shows you the concept is meaningless. because they are ignorant sheep. so who cares what the majority is. (on that note, christians are the minority in the world.) there are fewer intelligent people in the world. there are fewer gay people. there are fewer left-handed people. there are fewer blue-eyed people. are these groups not normal? or do you mean unnatural? cus animals are gay. so no need for your support group ;)
Idiot below me.
dkthg 1 month ago
how is ones expression of faith bigotry? your words are offensive and ignorant. almost shocking that youre so compelled to prove me wrong... flattering even. youre pretty much saying the oceans blue cuz youre looking at it from land(people die and you never hear from em again, so your left on earth believing theyr dead)but when you get out on the water and look over board you realize the oceans more dark green than blue. while you were on land you were so sure it was blue. i hope youre smart en
LordAlbert69 6 months ago
Bulls eye!
sushanalone 6 months ago
this song is ignorant. learn quatum physics before you make a bold statement lik "the nonexsistance of a utopian dimension. the atheist who wrote this song is preaching the exsistance of God in an alternate universe. "anything that is possible is probable" anything that CAN happen, likely WILL happen....sooner or later, so whos to say it already DIDNT happen in an alternate world. pick up a BOOK before singing ignorance. the bible for one. then realize we all fall under the physical blueprint t
LordAlbert69 7 months ago
@LordAlbert69
are you telling that god actually exists? and you are using quantum physics to defend it?
the only way you can believe in god is based on pure irrational reasonless faith..
Again, atheists are not trying to be hostile. It's just that we don't need an imaginary friend to be happy.
Religion depreciates the value of our precious life here with false promises of afterlife.
Thank God He is not real!
arunarun704 6 months ago
@arunarun704 not at all. and what is atheist? and you cannot possibly comprehend God if your image of him is an "imaginary friend" there are clear evidence of his works through out history... im not speaking of religion, rather a relation. i sorta see God as a scientist that created the cosmos. micro and giant. without him you, the plants, the insects, the birds etc wouldnt be here. the creator of conscious thought so to speak,
LordAlbert69 6 months ago
@LordAlbert69
Hello, there is sth called natural selection which combined with the anthropic principle, can explain most of the things you mentioned that are in the cosmos. Also, the god hypothesis is no use in explaining anything. God always gets shaved off by the sharp Occam's razor. Assuming god created everything is just begging the question, because then who created god.? And then you have to account for all his properties - this is just exaggerating the problem.
arunarun704 6 months ago
@arunarun704 but what if... us and our cosmos is only a thought in God's mind. like we feel real, and bound by our laws and theories. but what if we, our world, and our laws only exist bcuz God said so. i pondered on the thought; how does God know everything, how many hairs on our heads. etc. the only way would be that we are a creation of his imagination. so when you see the bigger picture, i dont think the question "who created God" matters... more like. who are "we" and why.
LordAlbert69 6 months ago
@LordAlbert69 how do u explain God and who made God? God's God? and then who made God's God's God?There is no concrete evidence for such a being to exist.And your hypothesis about every thing being some supernatural being's imagination is wild baseless imagination.Also ur quote "dont think the question "who created God matters." then why does who created the universe matter? and if it doesnt no God is required in the first place.You are delusional and reluctant to give up ur bigotry.peace
sushanalone 6 months ago
@sushanalone
The Creator of the universe cannot be preceded by non-existence; otherwise, He would need another god to create Him; and that god, if he is preceded by non-existence, would need another god and so on. Thus, we would have an endless chain of gods without reaching a **causeless cause** to be the source of the existence of the universe.
Then we have to deny the existence of the universe. We would also have to deny ourselves because we are a part of the universe.
1tabligh 4 weeks ago
@1tabligh Thats incoherent babbling.If you agree 2 the idea of universe preceded by a creator who is not preceded by non-existence, then why cant you accept the idea of universe existing as a dot since forever.Why add an unnecessary, imaginary, unproven and out of ones arse step of God existing?When you insert such concepts to important questions like existence you better prop it up with solid evidence, or it means nothing.
sushanalone 4 weeks ago
@1tabligh Analogy 1. Today;s universe<----Big Bang (always existed)
Analogy 2. Todays universe<----Big Bang<---God (always Existed)
whats the the need or evidence to add that unnecessary step?How about i add some glass powder to your tea, i feel its good for you, would you be ok with that? its just one additional ingredient and i have Faith it is good for you.
sushanalone 4 weeks ago
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@sushanalone His Existence is not coming into Being from non-existence.
If in the course of developing the argument of the orderliness of the universe we attempt to prove the existence of a maker similar to the human maker, the divine maker will, in reality, also be a created being on the level of man; proving the existence of such a maker is an entirely different matter from proving the existence of the Maker and Creator of all being.
1tabligh 4 weeks ago
This song is godlike. Think about it.
554466551 7 months ago
so who wrote this song? A Christian, Agnostic or Atheist?
dallase1 10 months ago
@dallase1 ...A better question would be to ask the Pope if he is muslim.
yuirrr 10 months ago
@yuirrr Smart Ass
dallase1 10 months ago
god doesnt exist ! who s with me give me a positive vote ! :D
MultiRipmj 1 year ago
why?(000) haha lol.
TheLovesoul1 1 year ago
this is genius :)
Qdot543 1 year ago
Anyway it doesnt matter, i respect them for what they are and i think they deserve equal rights as everyone else.
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@unfad1ng you give 2 definitions of disease. 1) something that has no value. This definition can be discredited for being meaningless. you will have to define value and prove that being gay cant fit into the category before i can take this definition as credible. furthermore, no such thing as objective value exists. so you're arbitrarily deciding what has value and what doesnt. its arbitrary.
CheStillFighting 1 year ago
what you do is your business, just please don't try to tell me your perversion is normal by what animals do. You should be wiser than an animal that don't know the difference between right and wrong, morals. Most animals are put here for one reason to multiply, it is just that some don't do it very well.
You know how but choose to be perverted, in another words do it the wrong way.
A woman was made for a man and vise verso.
timestandingstill 1 year ago
@timestandingstill
Its not because its moral or immoral it is because there is no evolutionary advantage in fucking individuals of the samesex and not fucking them of the opposite sex.
There is no point in being homosexual, it is completly unnessecary.
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@timestandingstill i didnt say being gay was normal. YOU asserted that being gay was NOT normal. i asked you to explain this and you failed to provide any kind of answer. Openmindedness and tolerance score: 1 ; hate, bigotry and conservatism score: 0
CheStillFighting 1 year ago
@CheStillFighting
btw do you have any realiable source that says that we are born with either hetero or homosexuality?
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@unfad1ng listen mate, if you had any idea how much hatred and discrimination there is towards gay people, you would not question whether people are born gay. many gays desperately don't want to be gay because of all the persecution and hatred there is towards them. ask one! he may tell you "i tried to be straight, but it is simply not a choice." it's really sad how we perpetuate bigotry.
and yes there are some scientific sources. it sounds like there is quite a bit of research you could do.
CheStillFighting 1 year ago
@CheStillFighting
im not questionning wheter you can help it or not just wheter you are born with it or not, there is a big difeerence.
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@unfad1ng right, well i'll let you do a bit of research on it. hopefully you use scientific sources and not christian pseudo-science webpages.
CheStillFighting 1 year ago
@CheStillFighting
I dont use pseudo-christian sources because im not even chrisitan.
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@unfad1ng try to think outside your own position, and consider that some people may just be different - homosexuals arent really "secret bisexuals". just recognize that people are different, and accept everyone. wouldnt that be a better world? homosexuality is as natural as blue eyed people. it exists in nature, so its natural. there is no "reason" for ANYTHING to exist! and certainly no reason for genes: everything exists because of MUTATION - that is the basis of evolution! just accept people.
CheStillFighting 1 year ago
@CheStillFighting
Its because homosexual ehavior is not benefictial for survival, a homosexual mutation would die out instantly since there would be no offspring.
On the other hadn bisexual bwhavior does have a survival value.
Im NOT hateful against homosexuals im just looking at the phenomenon from a scientific point of view and the behavior seems unatural to me because it lacks survival value
I accept that people wish to live as homosexuals if they want to.
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@CheStillFighting
I Accept people with AD/HD just as much as people without it.
I feel the same way about homosexualitym i respect the poeple but the behavior is unatural and therefore a disease but i dont think they can help that they are homosexuals and i think they deserve to be treated the same way as eveyone else im just questioning the belief that its natural.
Just because something isnt natural doesnt mean people who do it are people to look down on.
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@unfad1ng i agree very much with your last point: however, how can you say that being gay is unnatural? what exactly do you mean by natural??? it occurs in nature. it is as natural as trees or eagles.
as for calling it a "disease", that's a whole different issue. if you are defining a disease as "everything that is not benificial to carrying on one's genes", then being shorter than average is a disease, having poor eyesight so that you need glasses is a disease, and being unattractive is too.
CheStillFighting 1 year ago
@CheStillFighting
The thing is its not possible to spread your genes if you are gay since you wount get anyone pregnant, terefor it cant be spread throught the generations because if a gay mutation occurs it will die out directly because of no offspring.
Therefore it has to be something else, it can be simmiliar to bad eyesight if the bad eyesight is not genetical,
like if something goes wrong with your eyes but you do not carry the bad eye gene.
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@unfad1ng problems with your analysis/argument: 1) i'm not sure it IS genetic, but whether it is or not doesn't matter. (i have heard before that there is in fact a genetic component - which is nearly always the case with ALL things, part nature, part nurture.)
2) gay people are not impotent. they can fuck someone to get them pregnant.
3) there are other ways of continuing your genes than fucking ie. donating sperm to male or female, artificial insemination, freezing sperm in bank
CheStillFighting 1 year ago
@CheStillFighting
1: Being gay is a disease in the same way as AD/HD is a disease because it has no value.
2: Gay people wont fuck women. Would you fuck a man?
3: Sperm donation and freezing sperm and insemination is all very new method and homosexuality if genetic has to have evolved way before any of those even existed!
That is why it cant be genetic, because the gene cant be spread.
That measn its a disease or a dysfunction,
not saying its wtong to be gay just not natural.
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@unfad1ng ps stop saying unnatural unless you give a defintion for it.
CheStillFighting 1 year ago
@unfad1ng 4) this is all based off hypothetical! neither of us know precisely the cause or explanation of being gay. therefore, let neither of us conjecture about what could and couldn't be possible throughout the ages - the fact is, neither of us know. i have demonstrated that IF gayness is FULLY genetic, it COULD be "spread throughout the generations."
i assume you have conceded that being gay is both natural and not a disease, as my post "i agree" addressed both those and you didnt respond.
CheStillFighting 1 year ago
@CheStillFighting
im defining disease as everything that does not come about by genes or nurture(raising of children).
It cant be changed by simply training it away and it is not genetic thaths what i mean by disease, i dont mean its a virus but rather a dysfunction soemthing that has gone wrong.
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@unfad1ng 2) something neither genetic nor nurtured. the obvious problem with this definition is that we dont know if it is genetic, either partially or fully. we can't make definitions or facts off guesses. unless you're a genetic scientist, i would suggest you are not qualified to judge this.
however, even if i accept your premise, there are problems. heterosexuality would fall under "diseaese". so would calm personality.
furthermore, many diseases wouldnt be "diseases" eg.down syndrome.
CheStillFighting 1 year ago
@CheStillFighting
heterosexually is natural becasue its benefictial for passing on genes.
Calm personality and heterosexuality is based on both nurture and genes.
homosexuality cant be passed on thru genes sicne homosexuals dont get children, isnt that obvious? and also people are born homosexuals so therefore it cant be genetic and it cant be nurture, so what is it? something goes wrong when the human being is formed obviously, therefore i call it a "disease",
This is basic logic reasoning
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@unfad1ng "heterosexually is natural becasue its benefictial for passing on genes." so is being tall. does that make shortness unnatural?
i'm sorry, but your logic is not solid.
1) homosexuals can (and DO!) have children.
2) you do not know that it is not genetic.
3) you don't know how homosexuality comes about, so you can't say it results from the human forming in a certain way
4)"wrong" in WHOSE opinion? yours. but you do not define what a disease is. therefore, your claim is useless.
CheStillFighting 1 year ago
@CheStillFighting
no homosexuals can only have children in societies were its normative to be heterosexual, not in a natural state when nothing is normative then they will not reproduce,
this means: Homosexuals only reproduce when society forces them to reproduce.
Therefore their genes cant be passed on whilst a short person can pass its genes on easier since short persons wil seek out mates for mating.
do you now see what i mean?
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@unfad1ng (something goes wrong when the human being is formed obviously, therefore i call it a "disease",)WRONG!! Homosexuality is not a decease, get your head out of your ass!! Homosexuality comes in two forms, born or by choice. Born: Some homosexual males did not receive enough testosterone hormones from birth thus it's likely the individual is born deficient in this particular hormone but has an excess of estrogen hormone, making them more female by "birth defect" not a disease! Cont:
Vegasgodless 1 year ago
@Vegasgodless
Well if its to litlle testostetone it and a birth defect then its exactly what i tihnk it is.
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@unfad1ng Cont: And other choose!! to be homosexuals. It's is part of nature, has it's been proven in many other species, yet they've been procreating for thousands of years before we even evolved.
Vegasgodless 1 year ago
@Vegasgodless
Well disease maybe the wrong word.
Birth deefect might be a better word, my point is its not a natural thing because its serves no value.
Its nothnig wrong its just not natural,
Only humans are homosexuals all animals are either bisexual or heterosexual because without those there can be no children
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@unfad1ng But that's the problem of your incomprehensibility, IT IS NATURAL!!!! Not all individuals of the same species are homosexual, but there is within that said species elements of "total homosexuality" with the same characteristics as humans of avoiding contact with female counterparts. Do the research, I just googled it for one second and found a very interesting article on National Geographic News.
Vegasgodless 1 year ago
@Vegasgodless
But how do you explain it? if its natural how do you explain the value it supoosededly has?
Just because it exists in nature doesnt mean its natural
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@unfad1ng Explain what? Homosexuality? it exists period, and it's natural period! Are you really that dense? Just cause it exist in nature does not mean it's natural? WTF? Because homosexuality exist in nature within other species! It is precisely why it is NATURAL!
Vegasgodless 1 year ago
@Vegasgodless
You dont seem to understand what im saying.
You fail to provide any reasonable explanation for your point of view.
Im telling you that it is not natural which means even in the animal kingdom that behaviour is becasue something is wrong maybe in hormonal balance or something, but its not natural because its not how a normal animal behaves simply because its a behaviour which serves no survial purpose.
since you dont understand what i mean i suggest we end this discussion
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@unfad1ng I comprehend what your saying. The hormonal imbalance is something that malfunctions naturally, thus you've got homosexuality of one variation or another, your right! it does not serve a survival purpose, however the malfunction of hormonal imbalance is not so widespread as to threaten the species. Even in human species the majority of people are not homosexuals, thus it's not hurting our continuation of our species.
Vegasgodless 1 year ago
@Vegasgodless
yes thaths right , but if it was genetical it would hurt a species, if it is not genetical it doesnt hurt the species but wount disapear thru evolution either
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@unfad1ng True if it was "genetically" passed on, it would most certainly reduce the species, however it has been found out that there's no such thing as a "gay" gene! LOL..Most homosexuals I've met so far, have been through strait parents. I've openly questioned one of my gay friends, and he basically told me, that from a very young age he knew he was different, and discovered his true sexual orientation during his teen years.
Vegasgodless 1 year ago
@Vegasgodless
yeh thaths my point.
Well it doesnt really matter wheter is natural ro not( i dont think it is) i believe that if people want to live like that then why not.
Hehe i remember that i fell in love with a gril when i was 7 :)
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@unfad1ng Are you a girl? just asking. I never had the attraction to same sex, but I've had some tripped out experiences, that I've felt very uncomfortable with. A gay friend told me once, "there's nothing homosexual about you!!" that set me at ease I suppose, I do have an open mind, and all but I couldn't take it when my friend brought dudes over, and I had to hear them, in the next room "doing it" I freaking left every time! LOL..
Vegasgodless 1 year ago
@Vegasgodless
no im a guy and i just remembered the first time i fell in love with someone when you told me about your friend knowing his sexual orientation from a young age.
I dont really know my sexual orientation since ive only been in love with girls but i sometimes feel attracted to both but i think im more attracted to girls well that makes me wonder wheter im hetero or bisexual and it really is confusing
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@unfad1ng Just as confusing as heterosexual love is. Here's the thing, I got plastered with my room mate, he's gay, I'm not. He tried, and I couldn't get a rise when he tried giving a bj, something my girl friend always managed, no matter how wasted I was..LOL..Most simple explanation; I wasn't get in to it with a guy it's completely psychological. Why did I even let him try? I suppose I may have been confused as well. But that one experience defined my sexuality preference with out a doubt.
Vegasgodless 1 year ago
@Vegasgodless
Well its always nice to try
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@Vegasgodless
I think im heterosexual to but im a bit confused still
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@unfad1ng Homosexuals have kids.They don't like what they need to do to have them, but they have them.
While genetics aren't a guarantee it increases the chances greatly.
Hershberger, Scott L. 2001
Bailey and Pillard (1991)
P.S. work on your grammar. There are 3 spelling errors & 5 grammatical errors, that I can't explain as typos.
SuperMerlin100 11 months ago
@SuperMerlin100
But they did not have kids until it became normative to be heterosexual.
i know genetics only makes it more probable to become gay and is not a guranatee but nevertheless regardless of what you think about homosexuality its not how it was meant to be.
i have nothing against gay people and i tihnk they are every bit as good people as everyone else.
btw it is typos i type fast
unfad1ng 11 months ago
@CheStillFighting
it seems to me like you discriminate people with downs syndrom? becasue you think its insulting for homosexuals to be compared with them.
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@unfad1ng i never said anything about your downs syndrome comparison. but dont you see how you are being closeminded and unaccepting of differences? kkk say anyone not white should be killed - christians say anyone not christian is going to hell - homophobes say anyone not completely straight (including you) is a disgrace, and unnatural. now you say bisexuality is normal, but COMPLETE homosexuality is an unnatural disease. dont you see what youre doing? why dont we all just accept EVERYONE?
CheStillFighting 1 year ago
@unfad1ng as for the genetics: understand that genetics are incredibly, incredibly complicated. We've only begun to decode the human genome! (some scientists predict this will be the 'century of the gene' fyi). so there may or may not be genes involved in homosexuality, but either way, it is not completely one thing. We have genes, as well as a recent discovery that we have whats called an "epigenome". this is like an outer layer that activates certain genes. So genes could be dormant for years!
CheStillFighting 1 year ago
@unfad1ng *Dormant for generations, also. hypothetically, your great great grandpa could have a partially activated gene (i believe there is a gene or are genes that have been found to be at least partly involved in gayness), let's say a "gay" gene, and you could have that centuries later. it might not even be activated! it's even possible that it becomes activated in your lifetime. how ironic it would be if tomorrow morning you feel this "disease" where you cant stop watching guys asses!
CheStillFighting 1 year ago
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unfad1ng 1 year ago
@CheStillFighting
I am not being hateful towards gay people so you dont have to ridicule me for calling it a disease. But you have to agree that its unatural and wheter you want it or not there is nothing natural about being gay. Because even if the gene is dormant for generations there is no reason for it to evolve in the first place therefore homosexuality cant be genetical.
And if its not genetical then it is a disease or a damage in the same sense as downs syndrom.
unfad1ng 1 year ago
Hebrews 11 1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2For by it the elders obtained a good report. 3Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
timestandingstill 1 year ago
Again in order to get the air from out of a glass you have to fill it with something with substance.
timestandingstill 1 year ago
I think the bull would end up at McDonalds before he corrupted the rest of the herd, if he could.
Not exactly a prize bull to trade at the market.
How would they produce another bull like him, if he only liked other bulls.
Speaking of Bull there is a lot of that being spread, I think I had better roll up my pant legs.
timestandingstill 1 year ago
@timestandingstill ... are you 11? seriously, unbelievable
CheStillFighting 1 year ago
It really makes me sick to think that all animals on the farm would have unnatural urges, If that were the case, you wouldn't be able to go to McDonalds and get a hamburger because the cow would seize to exist. "Oh look dear there are 2 bulls making out in the barn, how lovely, a wonder why they do that?" ("call the vet there is something wrong!") I am just joking, I hope you can see the jest of that.
timestandingstill 1 year ago
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1st I want to say I have never had homo urges. James 1: 15 13Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death"
Sex is good but perverting something is not. To get nothing out of a glass you simply fill it with water or something else.
timestandingstill 1 year ago
By the way Man did not create God, further more God is very patient and just.
timestandingstill 1 year ago
The bible classifies the unsaved as dogs, have you ever watched a male dog, they will try to hump anything, someones arm, leg, a chair, etc. I wonder how many humans copy these actions and think they are normal??? Sorry but I am not stoning but rather telling the truth.
timestandingstill 1 year ago
awesome video man. this song is brilliant. very monty-pythonesque
CheStillFighting 1 year ago
CHURCH & STATE DONT MIX. keep religion out of schools and governments
AxiomSpagMonster 1 year ago
@AxiomSpagMonster I'm with ya mate.
Fivelemental 1 year ago
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Fivelemental 1 year ago
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Fivelemental 1 year ago
NOOOOO!!! I was this on a program on TV about Chaplains in Australia about 5 minutes ago, and now the cursed song is stuck in my head! >_< I love seeing animals floating up into the sky for the chorus.
Fivelemental 1 year ago
@Fivelemental hahahha me tooo
AxiomSpagMonster 1 year ago
I love the chorus!
EclecticSceptic 1 year ago
Now this is a hyme that should be in every Church on Sunday
1BustedMyth 1 year ago
Creationism: Man Created God. - God is a false Dogma.
rbolo29 1 year ago
the son of man not the man
illbesure3 1 year ago
THATS RIGHT! And did you know that if you had followed that hooker you could have made another baby!? You just killed a potential baby. Shame on you!
dragonofthedarknight 2 years ago
Why don't the sperms go to heaven? Aren't they, according to Christians, little people also? Selective thinking!
dragonofthedarknight 2 years ago
This song made my day. :)
amorphousguy 2 years ago
all these religion an god freaks are funny
there is so many religion an so many gods.
it's so obvious that it's all made up..
if there is som1 greater no1 knows anything about him or her.
they been fooling people for a longtime it's all about mind control..
tharealest62qb 2 years ago
Isn't Gods Precepts Grand and Fair.
timestandingstill 2 years ago
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Fuck your god
GoatSkinner666 2 years ago
Man turned from sound doctrine to fulfil the lusts of the Flesh.
Not to mention your pervertions.
timestandingstill 2 years ago
You must be referring to the likes of Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart and Ted Haggard to name but three of thousands of famous 'doctrine followers'.
thepigeonhaslanded 2 years ago
The same goes for you as well, "thepigeonhaslanded" God is No Respector of persons, in another words, you reap what you sow as well!
timestandingstill 2 years ago
"sound doctrine"?
Stoning people for working on the sabbath.
And on the other hand selling all your possessions and giving the money to the poor.
You have probably done neither.
Don't tell people to follow rules you don't.
SuperMerlin100 2 years ago
sorry for the typo, I meant You are still YOUNG, not youg.
timestandingstill 2 years ago
God has showed me things through his Spirit, Before certain things happens.
The bible is full of prophesies, some has passed, some are yet to happen.
timestandingstill 2 years ago
The bible is also full of false prophecies.
"God has showed me things through his Spirit" How do you know it was god? Did it say it was then went on to show you undeniable proof?
IronicAtheist 2 years ago
Only years of experience, of how his word has made my life better. I went from wanting to believe to being convenced.
timestandingstill 2 years ago
Have you heard of something called sarvation?
More importently have you sold all your possessions and given the money to the poor?
SuperMerlin100 2 years ago
Live your Life people. What ever works....Life is short
ALTAF8723 2 years ago
there is a god know him
sharpshootermatthew 2 years ago
Jesus has already proved himself by his word and giving his life on the cross. to allow people to really see their vanity and their sins. His word is still in front of your face, not some invisible monkey. They hung him there, but he gave his life, they never took it. He will return, and then you will see.
timestandingstill 2 years ago
And when will He return? Have you read what the man himself is supposed to have said on the matter?
Misterb0z 2 years ago
I'm confused, timesstandingstill. Seriously, I can't get a Christian to answer this satisfactorily, if Jesus was sacrificed, then how can it be considered a sacrifice if he got to be resurrected? If it was to come back later, couldn't he just have died ultimately later, as a sacrifice? Also, if resurrection was necessary, is resurrection only reserved for the spawn of God himself or the folk of his choosing to be resurrected?
superwolf76 2 years ago
no he wont return. Hes dead.
TheMysteriousAtheist 2 years ago
Oh then prove that jesus' word is trustworthy, i mean how do you know? Because the bible says so? But then what makes the little red riding hood false? I mean i can see the book, and in it, there is a little girl with a red hood. So how do we know she doesn't exist.
Also you don't have to prove something doesn't exist, you have to prove that it does, because if you can't then either way whatever it is, is not relative to the subjective universe.
IronicAtheist 2 years ago
Little red riding hood????
LOL!! now that is funny. There is no comparison to The Bible, it is based the beginning, the present, and the future.
It is the most Controversy book you will ever read. You have to study it and humble yourself to the Truth.
timestandingstill 2 years ago
My point is how do you know? You can't just magically know, and just because you feel you know doesn't mean you know.
Do you have any evidence the bible is the inspired word of god?
IronicAtheist 2 years ago
@timestandingstill Why you haven't. You haven't sold your computer and given the money to the poor.
SuperMerlin100 2 years ago
How about other religions and holy books.
The bible commands that you kill people for working on the sabbath
Not only should a book writen by God be selfevidently true such that you have to cluest not to believe it.
The bible outright contradicts reality and itself.
SuperMerlin100 2 years ago
I mean objective universe
IronicAtheist 2 years ago
To ironicAtheist,
You are still youg, and what you decide with your life now is what you have to live with later. The bible says:
God shall not be mocked, whatsoever a man sows he shall also reap.
I will Pray for you my friend, there is nothing in this world that is worth the bitterness you carry, There is a better way.
timestandingstill 2 years ago
I don't mock god, i am just stating the facts, like there is no direct distinct and observable evidence that manifests in the universe for a god.
And i am not bitter, i mean what makes you think i'm bitter?
IronicAtheist 2 years ago
oh i get it, and walking around carrying a book written by a group of human beings 2000 or so years ago and claiming that it was the written word of a man in the sky, and thinking that everybody who doesn't believe everything you do is going to burn forever... that's not bitterness? that's better then being self sufficient and understanding how your own life and your own world works? yeah, makes perfect sense.
ChewablyDelicious 2 years ago
Dear ChewablyD--------, you are joking right? Somethings never change, When God Created something and he called it Good, I believe he knew what he was talking about. His word is Good, not mine.
I can only say what is written and then learn to be humble to it, then he gives the Grace. I hope this helps. "God resists the proud but gives Grace to the humble."
You have to turn from sin or sin will get you.
"Lust brings forth sin and sin when it is finished brings forth death."
timestandingstill 2 years ago
that doesn't help anything, that's just you preaching your beliefs to me and trying to once again convert me, but in your words "help" which by the way is not going to happen, ever. Anybody can justify anything using christianity... Adolf Hitler is a perfect example, a christian himself who logically and accurately justified his genocidal actions with the holy bible... humble yourself to that. The "word of god" as you call it was lost in translation thousands of years ago.
ChewablyDelicious 2 years ago
To chewablyD--------,
. temple in Jerusalem: either of two successive temples in Jerusalem. The First Temple was built by Solomon in 957 bc and destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar II in 586 bc. The Second Temple was destroyed by the Romans in ad 70.
Jesus Christ brought Grace and Truth.
They no longer stone someone who commits adultery, etc. G-R-A-C-E
timestandingstill 2 years ago
@timestandingstill unless you were born a Budhist or Sikh or Hindu or Seventh Day Adventest, etc., etc.
Arrogance, they name is human.
awatson945 2 years ago
@timestandingstill Do you have any proof that that horribly,violate poorly writen book was writen by God?
Also have you broken any of these rules?
LUKE 12:33, LUKE 14:12-14 LUKE 14:33, LUKE 18:22, MATT 5:11-12, MATT 5:17-18, MATT 5:22, MATT 5:39-40, MATT 19:17-21
SuperMerlin100 2 years ago
@timestandingstill HAHAHA It is so that the guy that ignores half the rules in his own religion is telling us to follow it.
Oh and it is kinda funny how the guy that think 90+% of the world is going to burn forever is calling us bitter for no reason.
SuperMerlin100 2 years ago
@SuperMerlin100, I was just thinking of how you could sell your computer, and take the money and do something productive with the money, Instead of sending hate messages abroud. Christians do help alot more than you think. God Still has a great Love for you my Friend, Just because you can't comprehend Him as being a Spirit, and being Good. What do you want? He gave you Freedom to choose what you want out of Life, and through his precepts he will show you a way where there seems to be none.
timestandingstill 2 years ago
@timestandingstill You're the christian. You're the one suppose to do this. Unless you just think you're a christian.
A besides that Jesus guy was just a ripoff of the true savior who has just as much proof that they exist, Osiris.
And it isn't hate mail. I'm reminding them of what the bible says.
But once again thanks for the laugh. To think someone who thinks God could send me to hell justly for my not believing in would call what I write hate mail.
SuperMerlin100 2 years ago
Did I ever tell you that U were going to Hell??
I don't remember.
You keep saying I said this and that, I don't have a clue what U are talking about.
I can't judge you, only by the fruit you bear.
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit, I can only judge you by what you say or do.
If You lie, then I assume you are a lier.
If you steal, then you are a theif, I am not the lawgiver, I can't judge you.
timestandingstill 2 years ago
@timestandingstill Then why bother trying to convert us. Last time I checked the reason why the bible and christians incess we convert was because you think we're going to hell.
SuperMerlin100 2 years ago
As far as I am concerned you are already in hell. Without Gods precepts to lead you into a better life, You are lost.
It is written that people turn from sound doctrine to fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
Lust brings forth sin, and sin when it is finished brings forth death.
According to scripture, it is you who are living in denial.
timestandingstill 2 years ago
A better life? If you mean heaven you're stoned.
Sound doctrine you don't follow.
According to the scriptures I think are bullshit I'm wrong such a "good" arguement.
The quran says the same thing about both of us, but can you find a solid reason to reject the quran but not the bible (the bible says so doesn't count)?
SuperMerlin100 2 years ago
So the bible says that if you don´t believe in the bible then you are wrong and going to hell? wel that changes everything.
Cuythulu 2 years ago
@cuythulu, I guess some people never change. When something is good, most generally people like it, of course there are allways those odd balls. As for me, I am convenced, that the good things in life, you sometimes have to explore and when you do with a humble heart, you learn.
I can't tell you what to do, that book can't either, you choose what you want in life, if your ways are evil,then of course you are goning to hate the bible, because it speaks against what you do.
timestandingstill 2 years ago
Yes we don't do as the bible says. We're not hypocrites.
We don't stone/burn people for any reason, let alone forever.
We respect the rights of women, blacks and gays.
We don't worship idols.
We don't worship something that isn't even a coherent idea.
BTW why does god have to be good?
SuperMerlin100 2 years ago
@timestandingstill
so everyone who doesnt stone homosexuals are evil?
I dont think they can help their state so i dont think its fair to kill them does that make me evil?
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@unfad1ng Those who support the homosexuals are not helping them.
Nobody really has to have sex, period, not to mention something like homosexual actions which are not NORMAL at all. If I were to have a support group it would not involve homosexuals. Sorry about that, it is Just not Normal, no more than a rooster mating with another rooster, it just doesn't make any since to me.
timestandingstill 1 year ago
@timestandingstill are you serious? or are you mocking conservatives? to answer, roosters do mate with other roosters... animals are gay too :)... which leads me to wonder what you mean by normal with a capital N. if all you mean by that is that gay people are less common than straight people, you're right (maybe not if we count bisexuals however) but then vegans are minority, as are lefthanders or atheists ot jews or blacks(in North America). and whites are the minority in the world! so what?
CheStillFighting 1 year ago
@CheStillFighting
Which came first the Rooster or the egg? LOL!
timestandingstill 1 year ago
@CheStillFighting
actually there are no gay animals. all animals are either bi or straight.
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@unfad1ng This is what makes the difference between animals and Humans, the animal goes strictly on instinct to multiply and sometimes can't figure out which is male or female sometimes, Man knows better!
I'm not stoning, I am just not giving them any excuses for their perversion.
timestandingstill 1 year ago
@timestandingstill
I dont think they can help it. They suffer from some sort of hormonal disease and its not their fault
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@unfad1ng I have a hard time believing that. Where are the scientists?
I'm sure they could come up with a drug to cure that unless it deals with lust of a perverted mind.
Why don't you ever hear anyone going to get help for this, if it is a hormonal disease? I don't throw stones at dogs but if one starts trying to hump my leg he would get a quick kick to get him to stop.
Again you don't have to have sex period. I know the urge can be great at times to have sex but there are ways w/o perversion.
timestandingstill 1 year ago
@timestandingstill
Sex is very good for your health and its very beneficial to have sex so you kinda have to have sex if you wanna be healthy.
But i think the reason why they dont get cures is because your not allowed to question the politically correct beleif that its as natural as eveything else, this prevents scientists from devloping a cure
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@unfad1ng i'm nearly positive that is untrue (wikipedia "List of animals displaying homosexual behavior"), however, even the fact that animals are bisexual is enough to make my point, that certain tendencies occur in nature. therefore, if by normal, you mean natural, you are still incorrect.
CheStillFighting 1 year ago
@CheStillFighting I think when you have a brain the size of a bird, you could mistake a male for a female bird. LOL! You animal you!
timestandingstill 1 year ago
@timestandingstill so now you seem to be implying that gay people have smaller brain size then straight people. and why not? this (obvious lie) is exactly as supported as every other point you have made on this entire page. clearly it is not brain size that makes the difference, it is mutations in the brain processes that result in the differences we observe in mental capacities: fully functioning brains or brains that process at a very minimal level; scientists brains or creationists brains.
CheStillFighting 1 year ago
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@timestandingstill so now you seem to be implying that gay people have smaller brain size then straight people. and why not? this (obvious lie) is exactly as supported as every other point you have made on this entire page. clearly it is not brain size that makes the difference, it is mutations in the brain processes that result in the differences we observe in mental capacities: fully functioning brains or brains that process at a very minimal level; scientists brains or creationists brains.
CheStillFighting 1 year ago
@CheStillFighting It is not about the size of a mans brain, it is about his choice, to either make the right choice or the wrong one.
Before you is good and evil, life and death, choose life my friend.
timestandingstill 1 year ago
@timestandingstill the right choice being for a man to fuck women. the wrong choice being for a man to fuck men. is that what you mean? so if it were that simple, why would a man ever choose to fuck men? do YOU want to fuck men, but you know God won't allow it, so you just REFRAIN from fucking men? is that the only thing holding you back? of course not, you don't want to fuck men. so you are obviously different. use a bit of logic here please.
CheStillFighting 1 year ago
@CheStillFighting
i dont agree, since a gene for homosexuality could not possibly survive, thaths completly illogical, on the other hand bisexuality genes can survive.
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@unfad1ng I'm not trying to be offensive but how do these genes produce?
Is it based upon desires, I just don't understand. I always thought that genes came from both mother and father. Just interested in your answer.
timestandingstill 1 year ago
@timestandingstill
Well they do come from both your mother and your father and 2 X chromosomes means a female and 1 x and one 1y means a male, logically the male sexuality derives from the y chromosome.
Genes produce throu mutations and if the mutations leads to improved survivability then they survive and are copied to the enxt generation, a homosexuality gene cannot survive since if you are not attracted to the opposite sex there are no offspring.
So to me homosexuality seem illogical
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@timestandingstill
((continued))
Regarding bisexuality it can survive if it helps the individual to survive which is possilbe when living in groups of many individuals, sex with a same-sexcompanion can be used as a way of getting better social interaction in the group and solves conflicts easier well thaths the most plausible explanation.
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@unfad1ng ... what are you talking about - that's not how evolution works. the way there can be gay animals is the same way there are gay people. unless you deny that any person is actually gay. so-called "gay" people actually just chose to worship the devil or some such nonsense
CheStillFighting 1 year ago
@CheStillFighting It is called free will or choice, you choose your desires,and according to the bible, people will be turned over to their own imaginations.
Just because you can get someone or a group to agree with you on something doesn't mean it is right.
timestandingstill 1 year ago
@CheStillFighting
I think all gay people are really bisexual but they for some reason push away their hetero-side due to traumatic memories with women or something.
I think there are only heterosexuals and bisexuals.
Can you explain how there are gay people and gay animals? how is that gene passed on? how?
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@CheStillFighting
((continued))
btw according to Sigmund Freud everyone is born bisexual and one of the sides are pushed away when growing up.
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@unfad1ng i'm a big fan of Freud, he was brilliant. however, here, he was wrong. he was wrong about a few things. it is a scientific fact that people are gay or straight from birth. fact. i wont debate this, do some research. the causes of bisexuality is more open for debate.
as for the science behind gayness: it doesn't have to be a gene. there are men born without penises. how the fuck do you explain this!! its not an "evolutionary advantage".
so WHO is to say what is and isnt pointless?
CheStillFighting 1 year ago
@CheStillFighting
In that case it is a disease.
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@timestandingstill furthermore, christians are the majority (in US) so that shows you the concept is meaningless. because they are ignorant sheep. so who cares what the majority is. (on that note, christians are the minority in the world.) there are fewer intelligent people in the world. there are fewer gay people. there are fewer left-handed people. there are fewer blue-eyed people. are these groups not normal? or do you mean unnatural? cus animals are gay. so no need for your support group ;)
CheStillFighting 1 year ago
@timestandingstill
Who cares if its normal or not it still doesnt give you the right to stone them
unfad1ng 1 year ago
timestandingstill 4 of the 10 commandments are about worshiping God. This is a list of rules that inclueds don't kill people.
God is a giant ego.
SuperMerlin100 2 years ago