E60: The Two-Handed Bowler

[Brutekiller147]

two handed is the best. it is much easier than one handed since you can control the rotation a lot easier.

[TheKbizz95]

my friend brendan is probably the best two handed bowler in illinois..

[bcvandy1]

two handed bowling is the way to go. I have been doing it since I was young and it is working well

[TheCandysmoker]

they talk about how long you can last throwing two handed and that it torques and contorts your body....I have recently switch to two handed bowling because its actually easier on my wrist with the two handed back swing, I throw around 14-15 mph down only about 1 mph from my one handed style and now less than half of the wrist pain. The only thing it may hurt is your lower back I guess because you are kinda bent over but i have decent back and ab muscles to compensate for that and ave up 11

[aymenae00]

he looks like ray william johnson

[davewriter100]

I have cerbral palsy, and my right hand seems to work better than my left, so I've always been a two-handed bowler. The thing is I swing the ball in front of me and let it roll. I can't really throw the ball like a right-handed person like that, it just seems so awkward to me.

[phongvo9989]

I'm looking 5 foot steps for 2 handed bowler, anyone see it?

[dragonflyr09]

I've started using this style to me it feels more natural and it feels like i have more control. I haven't used this style to pickup spares all the much unless its something like the 1,2,4 but if its a single pin i go back to my 1 handed style.

Like Jason said you can play however you want but you wont find that many coaches for two handed style so you will have to teach yourself. Its always good to try different styles so you have more options.

[rickthequick1]

6:47



[112celtics]

I Bowl Two handed Too. I Started When i Was 4 Years Old. Same As Jason I could Only Pick The Ball Up With Two Hands. I Still Bowl two Handed. I Also Only Use my Two Fingers And Not My Thumb. I Started Bowling Like That before I Knew Jason Belmonte,.

[rickthequick1]

6:47



[rickthequick1]

649

[cabatian]

How is he contorted? It's pretty much the same form as releasing one handed.

[katanamast279]

What kind of bowling ball is jason using? The green mixed with red & blue. I know its a storm just not what model.

[ChesterMolested]

@katanamast279 T-road solid. Hard find nowadays.

[93jacksonk]

@katanamast279 its a storm second dimension

[katanamast279]

Ok I need somebody to help me out with his bowling style because I'm trying to learn it. The right hand provides the power and forward momentum. So what does the left hand do? It looks like it guides it, but does the flip his left hand when he releases the ball.

Thanks

[codeman9010]

@katanamast279 the left hand only guides. at the release point the left hand comes off and the right hand should push through the ball creating a mostly up the back roll.Tthe hardest part about this style is producing enough speed to overcome the hook early on, so there is no need to come around the ball alot. hope this helps.

[gamemeister27]

@codeman9010 Oh god, I just switched and I really need to generate that speed. I had to get really deep into the house shot puddle for the ball to hold its line.

[codeman9010]

@gamemeister27 producing speed in this style is somewhat opposite of what you would expect. the key is timing. your arm swing needs to be gravity controlled, which means you shouldnt be pulling it down from the top of the push away nor should you be pushing it off of the top of the backswing. the only time you should use muscle is when the ball naturally starts its downswing. at that point you should make the ball accelerate past your ankle. hope this helps.

[ifoundjebus]

The guys they used to voice over the Bolivians were the best part of the vid

[nhlgoal2004]

Does anyone know what song is playing in this video???

[TheMyonex]

I tried bowling two handed tonight... I found it to be far more fun than 1 handed. now if i can just dial in the accuracy.

[10Bueller]

I was a 1 handed bowler and averaged a 185. i switched to 2 hands after high school and in about 2 weeks i started averaging 200. i find it a more natural approach for me. i started bowling in college on sports shots and ended up averaging 180. The only problem i have with 2 hands is accuracy.

[kingzmaul]

2 handed bowlers get more respect then no thumb bowlers by far that only use one hand. why is this so? im a 7month bowler using no thumb averaging about 160. and people try and tell me all the time im doing wrong without a thumb but yet i get asked am i in a leauge and stuff all the time by people who are in leauges

[mystrsyko]

@kingzmaul As a bowling coach, the main reason i tell beginners to shy away from throwing two handed is that most wont learn or try to learn to throw the ball straight. For whatever reason they think it's all about hooking the ball. And yeah, you may get more strikes. I've seen beginners throw 240's with this style. But their averages are always so much lower than the single handed bowlers because they never learn to throw straight to pick up their spares.

[mrtvmankiller01]

@mystrsyko then you should be teaching them to practice straighter, instead of changing a style they want to emulate

[mystrsyko]

@mrtvmankiller01 That's the problem, I don't know anything about how to throw two handed. I can't do it, I'm too small and don't have the muscle. There's nothing i can really offer a two handed bowler if I don't know how it's done or how it feels myself.

[mrtvmankiller01]

@mystrsyko as a coach, trial and error is the best way

[kingzmaul]

@mystrsyko hey, that post was months ago man lol im using my thumb and stuff now. and ya your totally right about throwing straight and learning how to play the game the right way. its defently hard for me to pick up 10 pins and 7 pins cause i tend to pull the ball infront of the side of me and miss by a little bit. im currently averaging 170 and high game of 268. and i shoot over my average alot when i make spares or make a 4 bagger. i just dont have as much hand as i want under the ball yet

[wadexyz]

The 2 dislikes were from people who suffered unfortunate baler accidents.

[nickt916]

did he win a giant deodorant bar at 2:58???

[Franco665]

I've just started bowling two handed in the last few weeks. I got ym first reactive ball halfway through last year but I've had my average sitting around 150 since then, didn't feel like I was really getting anywhere so thought I'd give it a go. Bowled 9 games in 3 seperate blocks with an average between 180 and 200 each time so it definitely works! I feel like I have much more control over the ball, I don't drag the ball across the head pin anymore and I can get way more revs.

[MrStuff121]

its how i bowl i average 190 like the bolivian guys :) bowl on two handers

[imgonnabeatu]

same here...190. and im a freshman in high school bowling two handed.

[worldslayer]

you can push the ball with your foot for all I care. as long as all the pins fall down, it doesnt matter how you bowl.

[chrisram0s]

haha i hardly ever bowl but i've always bowled like this because it was the only way i could spin it right... first game i ever bowled like this i threw a 195(i bowl maybe once a year for a special occasion).. pretty cool come to find out its actually a legit way i was bowling :D

[inkkHD]

i 2 hand bowl there is nothing wrong being different do what works for you

[metsfanatic1986]

i am 15 and i used to bowl on leagues when i was 8 but i quit for a few years and i started again this year, i was averaging about 100 or so

i saw this and tried two handed bowling, i have bowled a 234 after 7 games trying it.

i now have a bowling ball of my own and this is my new second sport. thank you jason belmonte

[MrMrSteveC]

Damn, it's about time somebody figured that out, two hands are better than one, pretty simple really. Brilliant!

[Jamesxjk]

/watch?v=Fz3SwF93r6c



[holman098]

i have been bowling two handed for 2 years now and my average has gone from like a 140 to around a 180 and my ball hits way harder than i could ever do one handed. my high games also went from a 190 to a 234

[TheNotDone]

@holman098 How do you average 180 with only a 234 high game....

[holman098]

@TheNotDone because your average is all you games added and divided so aslong as i bowl with in about 10 of 180 it will average to around a 180

[TheChronicChronicles]

bowling sucks.

unless your drunk or stoned.

[sexykatie911]

ESPN m.sn in profile

[kgamer121]

@nso1256 and to say that being able to play the sport for a longer amount of time without gassing equates to the sport being less demanding is a "flimsy assumption" is kind of a contradictary statement. because obviously if I can play your "sport" for hours at a time without breaking a sweat, while in other sports if I play it for thirty minutes and im already starting to get tired, then CLEARLY your sport IS less physically demanding.--------> Kind of a no-brainer

[kgamer121]

@nso1256 Wrong, you actually have to RUN in baseball. I have never seen anyone walk away after an "intense" bowling match winded and breathing heavy. After a bowling match, I feel as though I have used about the same amount of energy as playing golf or going for a casual walk. To say that bowling is a "sport" is like saying golf is a "sport". You know you're "sport" is a joke when it is dominated by senior citizens. I burn more energy beating off than I do bowling.

[walters2013]

I first started bowling this way about a month ago, and my average skyrocketed to about 160. The second game with it I bowled a 234. And it definitely takes a lot more out of you. I'm in decent shape, and I'm beat after 3 or 4 games. Very effective though.

[catsdinner1]

class style!!!

[Apb420]

I have a friend who bowls fivepin 2 handed shes been the national singles champ many times

[laserdisque]

Is the Bolivian national team allowed to use Spongebob bowling balls in international competition? And if your national team used to have people averaging 125 or 140 on it prior to going two-handed, uhhhh... maybe it's better to just stick with soccer.

[imgonnabeatu]

i bowl this exact same way nothing different at all and my average is 160. i am 14 years old. i also have a plastic bowling ball but i get it to curve enough. this guy must use reactive

[xCEREALzKILLERx]

yea but palermaa started before him

[EPHplayer7]

@xCEREALzKILLERx palermaa didn't start before him... belmonte is older than him and if he started younger ( as they said in the video " 18 months " ) than palermaa which he did, then he technically started before him. . .

[xCEREALzKILLERx]

@EPHplayer7 i meant palermaa was first on tour and tv

[SundaysR4Bowling]

@xCEREALzKILLERx True....I remember seeing Osku bowling Walter Ray Williams Jr. in the US open back around 2003 and thinking to myself...what the hell is this ...LOL

[xCEREALzKILLERx]

@SundaysR4Bowling yea he is the fucking best, i just love watching him bowl cause its so fun to watch

[EGarrett01]

Reminds me of the Fosbury Flop.

[TheCandysmoker]

@EGarrett01 and now the Fosbury Flop is the standard, can wait for more two handers :)

[humey10141]

from 3:26 to 4:00 the ball he's holding changes from 't-road' to 'second dimension' then back to 't-road'

[brodNS93]

@humey10141 Who cares?

[dksaechao]

his style is how i learned to cradle bowl.

[SonWayward]

Find it funny that Osku is credited with copying Belmo... they are virtually the same age and have been bowling 2 handed basically the same amount of time...

[thatsmybucket]

i don't understand why they call it 2 hand, he's really only using the second hand to guide it, he still throws with one hand.

I've been trying this style and i'm not great at it yet, but it is really tiring. as they said in the video i think the physical exhaustion is what's keeping the other pros from using it. most of the pros are old(er) than belmonte

[JmB3atS14]

i bowl the same way..im way better now...learning this has got me to love the sport even more :]

[roggie2499]

I'm someone who just picked up the two handed approach last summer. I'm averaging around 210 one handed and I'm up to about 190 two handed (on a house shot). However, bowling for college on PBA patterns, I carried around a 190 two handed and a 185 one handed. My local house shot doesn't have enough oil to bowl two handed full time. But on the heavy oil PBA patterns, it worked wonders.

[seto1994]

gah i gotta ask, what song that is at the beginning and the end, i just can't remember and it bugs me

[jcbtrackbowler]

I don't see why Belmo gets more attention than Osku.

He made a major telecast waay before Belmo did

[totnuckers]

@jcbtrackbowler cause Osku cant do spare

[AwesomeBMX]

didnt mean to say three thumb holes i meant to say i use the thumb hole though

[AwesomeBMX]

i bowl two handed but i use all three thumb holes

[honkindonkey]

@AwesomeBMX three thumb holes??

[AwesomeBMX]

@honkindonkey didnt mean to say three thumb holes i meant to say i use the thumb hole though

[kboss2011]

@AwesomeBMX you have three thumbs?

[STOhelp]

next there is No handed bowling!

[theateam2006]

@STOhelp There was a guy at the bowling alley a few weeks back that had both arms amputated at the elbow and he was bowling. So, no handed bowling is already here.

[dpearson9er]

haha at 7 min "You better be in great shape just to bowl"

[nazobowler]

@dpearson9er let me see you bowl 46 games with a 15 ball with their accuracy!!

[spazmatron1]

@dpearson9er dude no lie it takes it out of you bowling extended tournaments. you feel like you could just lay down and die lol.

[xemmas]

2 hands workd for me shyt

[striker300southpaw]

I can't see why this is an improper form of bowling. The only difference from the traditional style is that your substituting the use of your thumb (stability) by putting your other hand over the ball.

[the1andonlybigh]

Might as well use your second hand, cause it just dangles there anyway. Its good to have people doing different things on sports. Like the golf swing of Jim Furyk. Nothing has to be text book perfect, but if it get the job done and its legal why not do it.

[NMjuggalo505]

@the1andonlybigh

It doesn't just dangle there, it helps you with balance. I can bowling bot one(Red Death) & two(Black Widow Pearl) handed

[moose513]

opening tune = 2nd movement beethoven symphony no.7 = badass

[rspvprange2h]

i just think 2 handed is ezyer andits fake bowling

[DavidNyquist]

To be honest, I have bowled one handed, and two handed, they are both difficult. 2 handed is not as easy as you think.

[havingfun1912]

Its like happy gilmore bowling!

[craziboi216rs]

well, im in long island and very few bowl 2 handed. I learned to bowl with 2 hands at the age of 4 and kept doing it until the age of 10. my high game at age 6 was a 216. Then I wanted to become better and enrolled in sanctioned leagues and all the coaches FROWNED upon me bowling 2 handed. I learned to bowl 1 handed from then until now im 16. I average 195-200 one handed. Today i threw my regular equipment because my thumb was really swollen from bowling too much and i threw 258 and a 236

[Moneyindabankrecords]

ALOT of people two-handed bowling is bad....well i shut them up....making my high school bowling with a 200 something average.....ive bowled 2 perfect games with a 2 handed style....And several other 200+ games.

[mrbowlingcrazy]

2 Handed bowling is dangerous!!! it gave me a hernia after 2 years of it!!!!!

[ThexPope]

I bowled 1 handed for a year, my first year bowling ever and averaged a 150, after my first year of bowling I switched to two handed because my ball didn't have enough rev's and I would play the 5 board =/. Now I shoot 180+ a game, with a monster (cheap ball). Two handed is the way to go, I could hit brooklyn and have enough power for it to carry.

[kgamer121]

7:00 are fucking kidding me did he just say that you have to be in great shape to bowl?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!...... AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

[XHorus8649X]

Obviously you know nothing about bowling. Yes, you don't have to be in shape to go out with the friends or family, but to really take bowling seriously you need to be in good shape. Putting up 40 games a week can take a really big toll on your body in the long run easily.

[vidsofdispute]

agree i play like 7 games and im tierd lol i bowl around a 190 -215

[justinharker]

@kgamer121 its like golf you can do it when you are out of shape but you will usualy do better if you are in better shape. Try bowling 30 games in a week.

[kgamer121]

@justinharker 30 games? Who the hell bowels 30 games a week? No-one... with that idealology try playing any other sports game 30 times a week.... imagine playing 30 football games..... you wouldn't be able to stand/ walk..... Doing anything 30 times a week will exhaust you.. playing Galaga at the acrade 30 games a week could exhaust you.... Does that mean you have to be in great shape to be a great Galaga player? Then you could argue being in shape can help you be a better Galaga player lmfao...

[kgamer121]

@justinharker If you can play your "sport" 30 times a week and still walk.... then you've just proven my point of how un-demanding your "sport" is...

[kgamer121]

wtf... a two handed bowler... who cares...are you serious why is this ESPN worthy???......

[XHorus8649X]

If you don't care then simply don't watch it. Not hurting ESPN productions by you posting a meaningless comment. Leave the video to the people that take interest.

[vidsofdispute]

because you cant do it

[gurowiczw]

Why is the PBA acting and campaigning Belmonte as a pioneer of the two handed technique?

They made no where near this much of a ruckus when Osku made the US open, and imho, Osku hits 10x harder than Belmo.

[Sneezlebob]

Belmonte isn't European

[crfranchises1]

I found by weight training I can get just as much torgue on the ball as any two-handed bowler and I look good with arms bigger than the ball. lol 210avg. 267 high game. Oh and I only play about 2 times a year.... drunk!

[yague123]

This is sad, people really need to know what it is really like to bowl on the PBA tour, and the lane conditions they face every tournament.

...and if you really dont know... the 2009 Cheetah Championship show would like to have a word with you.

Please actually honor the sport by not spouting ignorance.

[omahabee]

Thanks for the how-to part, i've been trying this and its a lot of fun!

[kungfurabbits]

I actually did the 2 handed thing when I was a lot younger. The only thing it really did was put extra torque on the front third my middle and ring finger.

[darrin686]

check my videos, 2 handed bowler , been bowling like that for 7 years

[Brizzle3923]

@ScubzMcTalBowling you are an idiot. saying that this is cheating is like telling someone in golf with a different putting grip they are cheating or somethin. so are you calling Ty Cobb and that basketball gyu a cheater to? because they didn't do things the conventional way either

[MrBowlermatt]

There is nothing wrong with this, it is a more powerful shot obviously just by looking at it. The reason why more people don't do what he does is because of the number of moving parts that are on his body increases his chance of making a mistake. But watching him bowl, he has been able to eradicate most mistakes that may arise. If a random 1 handed bowler just started this for what ever reason, he would have problems controlling it.

[aof480]

@TranswarpXL

Youre just a little bitch who can't accept that Jason Belmos a good bowler, you make excuses. You probably got beat by a two handed bowler and now youre crying about it.

[tajetheelephant]

Does he use an un-drilled ball

[bigd2699]

no he has the middle and ring finger drilled but he doesnt use the thumb

[sum1atdacomputer]

My name is alex rumoro. I average almost 200 and i can bowl 2 handed like belmonte and i avg 193 two handed.

[Kaheemikaze]

I promise I've been bowling like this since I was 12. I'm 21 now. Got the idea from my dad. Never heard of this dude. It's amazing. I always wanted to be a pro bowler. If this engineering thing doesn't work out, I just might go pro. All i need is practice. Last time I went out for a league, my average was 187, high score of 221. No perfect games yet though :-(

[coasterb]

He is NOT breaking any rules. My concern is the toll on his body. I used to bowl no thumb and was accurate to the point where I could hit a dime out on the lane at the arrows. Along came resin and there was no need for the no thumb release. It was very demanding on my body. I have tested the two handed release and could feel the same type stresses. It is the knee that takes the biggest beating with this style. It will be here for a while but most likely go away just like the no thumb delivery.

[ScubzMcTalBowling]

no offense to anyone but bowling two handed is only for people that cant bowl one handed. if you cant do something the right way dont cheat to make yourself better.

[mjhbkfan]

your an idiot..

If you could bowl better 2 handed you would too.

[ScubzMcTalBowling]

@mjhbkfan

your an idiot...

next time i make a video ill show you my 2 handed bowling. im just as good 2 handed as i am 1 handed. but yet i chose to bowl 1 handed because i dont like to cheat.

[john197414]

Only cheating if the PBA says it is.

[skylinebgrd]

please explain to me how bowling two handed is cheating?

[ScubzMcTalBowling]

@skylinebgrd

power and revolutions gets you better carry.... a lot of the pros can still get a lot of revs on the ball with one hand. they had to work on their armswing, release and overall form to get the revs and power. a two handed bowler all you need to do is take out your thumb and you automatically get a lot of revs no matter how your form is. so instead of taking the time to improve your game you can just cheat and take out your thumb.

[TranswarpXL]

My friend Shawn is a two handed bowler who uses his thumb and has had the highest average in Houston for 5 years, oh and he's 23, so what is your take on him, he uses his thumb which is your bitch against two handed bowlers?

[ScubzMcTalBowling]

@TranswarpXL

does he have is have his thumb all the way in or just to the first knuckle? cuz if he has his thumb all the way in then thats just a retarded way of bowling.

[TranswarpXL]

First knuckle. I don't understand why you continue to complain about 2 handed bowlers.

[ScubzMcTalBowling]

@TranswarpXL

well if you'd learn how to read i left other comments explaining why.

[Kaidanshi0731]

Lemme ask you this: Where the hell does the PBA official rules say that only one handed bowling is allowed? THERE IS NOTHING THE THE EFFING RULEBOOK SAYS THAT TWO-HANDED BOWLING IS NOT ALLOWED! It's jerks like you that really piss me off. If you can't accept the new times of bowling, you can just eat dirt and die with it.

And if you ever gonna be replying me back of me being aware of what I'm saying, ask yourself this: WERE YOU AWARE OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING???

[ScubzMcTalBowling]

its jerks like you that really piss me off. why are you getting so worked up over youtube? i left a comment that was my OPINION. i wasnt preaching anything to you so why did you take it as a direct attack towards you?

everyone on youtube just needs to calm down. there's gonna be those few people that have the opposite beliefs you do. not everyone has the same opinions.

[Sneezlebob]

lol u mad

[S4BIO]

So ScubzMCMoron... by your, uh, "logic" the two-handed tennis grip is also cheating and only for players who can't hit the ball the "right" way, correct? If you disagree, please attempt to justify your inconsistency.

[ScubzMcTalBowling]

@S4BIO

actually a lot of tennis players use two hands for some of their shots. its a common grip that im sure has been around since the creation of tennis. bowling has always and forever will be, a one handed sport.

[S4BIO]

ScubzMcClueless...

"Actually" the majority of professional tennis players today use a 2-handed grip, however this was not always the case. Prior to the 90's, very few players used it. The bottom line is that there are no right or wrong methods of gripping a tennis racket, just as there are no right or wrong methods of holding/throwing a bowling ball. And if the 2-handed method proves to be superior for bowling, it will be the future of the game whether idiots like you approve of it or not.

[ScubzMcTalBowling]

@S4BIO

you're cool.

[Sneezlebob]

this video just nullified your comment

[Brutekiller147]

I totally SUCK at the tow handed delivery. I did a one hand game and shot 178, then i shot a 2 handed game and SHOT A 35! So I can't do it, but that's just me.

[odogg1112]

i started bowling and taking it a little seriously and when i tried to bowl with one hand, i couldnt. i tried with two and my game was 10x better than before.

[waddleman]

His style is basically just a way of making the two-finger style into a legitimate shot. The problem with two-finger was never that it didn't have the power, but that it was so hard to control that only a tiny number of bowlers even have a chance at being competitive with it. This style basically eliminates the problem with the two-finger shot, which makes it very dangerous. I doubt it will eclipse one handed, I know I personally get more hook than I like one handed already, but it's getting big

[DaMannnn20]

Totally right. I was fooling around with this today for my first time, and that's all it really is. It's the supercurve (2finger shot)...but with a guide hand, that gives you a little more accuracy and power at the same time.

PS: I'm 190+ bowler

[Auzie090]

Any way i want to huh? How about over arm? Maybe like a soccer throw-in? Sounds legit to me

[i3enthebowlerkid]

this is a great video i have been bowling for a little more then a year and i just switched to a two handed style and am doing very well with it! i had a very hard time getting a consistent rev rate or much power on the shot so i switched to this and i have shot many 200 - 240 games since i started 4 days ago!!! ill have videos up soon j belmonte is the man!!

[SayrevilleBombers18]

its a great thing. u generate more revs and that increases carry, which increases score, its just a matter of control. i have a video of me joking around throwing two-handed and i'd like to think im decent at it.

[ninjateenproject]

i already get too much hook. lol. but that is pretty tight.

[kingbee10]

39 PERFECT GAMES!!!

[hawa11anbowling]

i bowl 2 handed too screw the hook i like the power u get

[mjhbkfan]

you get most of the power from the hook guy.

[thesaber23]

i bowl two handed to it gives you massive hook

[jaguarsrcool]

i bowl two handed

[JohnnyZXj]

i like how it says at 7:02 it says it takes a physical toll and the big black guys in the background haha.

[1hoosierboi]

Belmo is my hero!!! Went from a 125 average with one hand, to a 205 average with two hands in less then a year!!!

[Kaidanshi0731]

Though I have no one else but to ask ESPN this:

WHEN IN THE HECK ARE YOU GUYS GONNA PUT THE PBA TOUR IN HIGH-DEF??? I WANNA SEE BOWLING IN HD! THE EUROPEANS AND THE JAPANESE ARE WAY AHEAD!!!

[eal1011]

Is a new concept I am gonna try bc I am having trouble with my shoulder, I hope this method helps. rules not broken I can see that he use same principle as traditional bowling.

[fadzli27]

i'm learning this kind of release and i like it...

[vashtheowner]

2 handed bowling not catching on, ya right.

[oakleysrocks]

I think it is! Our whole league bowls 2 handed and i do to!

[deesyphrr]

Jason's not breaking any USBC rules. As long as his throwing palm or wrist covers the thumb hole, that's a legal shot.

[vanni9283]

Can you give an example of what kind of shot/release would be illegal?

[mrtvmankiller01]

ummm, ESPN...he has a name douche

[chiller4everrr]

great video :)