"[...] Thus has historical dialectics, the rock on which the whole teaching of Marxian socialism rests, brought it about that today anarchism, with which the idea of the mass strike is indissolubly associated, has itself come to be opposed to the mass strike which was combated as the opposite of the political activity of the proletariat, appears today as the most powerful weapon of the struggle for political rights."
Luxemburg was a Marxist, she'd prefer Lenin any day over Bakunin or Kropotkin.
"The revolutionary struggle in Russia, in which mass strikes are the most important weapon, is, by the working people, and above all by the proletariat, conducted for those political rights and conditions whose necessity and importance in the struggle for the emancipation of the working-class Marx and Engels first pointed out, and in opposition to anarchism fought for with all their might in the International. [...]"
@LeftPolitiko stop slandering history , actually read the book this excerpt is taken from read her works before and after the revolution and you will see her views are the same . I sent you a PM with 2 well known examples of her works .
@Menace3434 Read Chapter 8 of the book you quote in this video. She supported the Bolsheviks. She joined the German section of the Communist International which was an attempt to build a world Leninist party with national sections.
Luxemburg never approved the repression of Lenin and Trotsky. She heavenly criticized them for that. She opposed the dictatorship of the Bolsheviks and supported freedom and democracy. She was even against the Spartacist Revolt, but supported her party anyway after they decided they were going to do it without her approval. Luxemburg never became a Leninist in her life.
And yes, Lenin hated her. He hated anyone that disagreed with him.
They also seem to miss that the Bolshevik revolution was the only of it's kind at the time. This lead almost anyone with "socialist" in their ideology to support and identify with what appeared to be at the time as a genuine proletarian revolution. This was the case with Debs, with Goldman (initially), just as it was with Luxemburg. She definitely wasn't an anarchist/libertarian-socialist, that much is obvious, just as she wasn't a Leninist.
@TheVengefulTortoise Luxemburg joined the German section of the Communist International which was an attempt to build a world Leninist party with national sections. If she was anti-Leninist, she wouldn't have founded and led the KPD which modeled itself on the Bolsheviks.
@binhthanhvo - Alright, but wasn't she opposed to certain Leninist principles, such as centralized democracy and a literal (i.e., one person) dictatorship, as opposed to each member of a given commune having equal say as members of the proletarian class?
@TheVengefulTortoise She was not opposed to centralism. The German Communist Party (KPD) that she helped found was a democratic centralist organization. She chewed out Karl Liebknicht for breaking party discipline by signing onto the Spartakus uprising even though the party program said that taking power was only acceptable if the majority of the workers wanted it (at that time, they didn't). I'm not sure what you're saying about Lenin, Luxemburg, and pay though.
She is totally right. It will be intresting to see if the current crisis will actually get bad enough for people to return to these ideas and embrace a real vision of socialism, like the one our Rosa is talking of here.
if you must use an annoying mechanical computerized voice to read the words of a woman could you at least use a feminine voice to do it???
RottingintheMidwest 3 months ago
kike whitch
TribalSocialism 5 months ago
"[...] Thus has historical dialectics, the rock on which the whole teaching of Marxian socialism rests, brought it about that today anarchism, with which the idea of the mass strike is indissolubly associated, has itself come to be opposed to the mass strike which was combated as the opposite of the political activity of the proletariat, appears today as the most powerful weapon of the struggle for political rights."
Luxemburg was a Marxist, she'd prefer Lenin any day over Bakunin or Kropotkin.
MazdakTV 1 year ago
"The revolutionary struggle in Russia, in which mass strikes are the most important weapon, is, by the working people, and above all by the proletariat, conducted for those political rights and conditions whose necessity and importance in the struggle for the emancipation of the working-class Marx and Engels first pointed out, and in opposition to anarchism fought for with all their might in the International. [...]"
MazdakTV 1 year ago
@LeftPolitiko stop slandering history , actually read the book this excerpt is taken from read her works before and after the revolution and you will see her views are the same . I sent you a PM with 2 well known examples of her works .
Menace3434 1 year ago 6
@Menace3434 Read Chapter 8 of the book you quote in this video. She supported the Bolsheviks. She joined the German section of the Communist International which was an attempt to build a world Leninist party with national sections.
binhthanhvo 1 year ago
@Menace3434
Luxemburg never approved the repression of Lenin and Trotsky. She heavenly criticized them for that. She opposed the dictatorship of the Bolsheviks and supported freedom and democracy. She was even against the Spartacist Revolt, but supported her party anyway after they decided they were going to do it without her approval. Luxemburg never became a Leninist in her life.
And yes, Lenin hated her. He hated anyone that disagreed with him.
a199215 1 year ago 4
@a199215 I understand, i keep saying that to these Leninist apologetics and the they don't want to understand .
Menace3434 1 year ago 2
@Menace3434
They also seem to miss that the Bolshevik revolution was the only of it's kind at the time. This lead almost anyone with "socialist" in their ideology to support and identify with what appeared to be at the time as a genuine proletarian revolution. This was the case with Debs, with Goldman (initially), just as it was with Luxemburg. She definitely wasn't an anarchist/libertarian-socialist, that much is obvious, just as she wasn't a Leninist.
PigCapitalist 8 months ago
@PigCapitalist thank you thoughts
1awareness 3 months ago
@a199215 Pfff Lenin never hated her.
miikasalo 6 months ago
@Menace3434 can you please send the two examples to me, thanks
MrLovethelife 1 month ago
IMHO, Luxemburg is probably the only "pure" Marxist theorist of the old guard, so to speak.
Great video! =)
TheVengefulTortoise 2 years ago 2
@TheVengefulTortoise Luxemburg joined the German section of the Communist International which was an attempt to build a world Leninist party with national sections. If she was anti-Leninist, she wouldn't have founded and led the KPD which modeled itself on the Bolsheviks.
binhthanhvo 1 year ago
@binhthanhvo - Alright, but wasn't she opposed to certain Leninist principles, such as centralized democracy and a literal (i.e., one person) dictatorship, as opposed to each member of a given commune having equal say as members of the proletarian class?
TheVengefulTortoise 1 year ago
@TheVengefulTortoise She was not opposed to centralism. The German Communist Party (KPD) that she helped found was a democratic centralist organization. She chewed out Karl Liebknicht for breaking party discipline by signing onto the Spartakus uprising even though the party program said that taking power was only acceptable if the majority of the workers wanted it (at that time, they didn't). I'm not sure what you're saying about Lenin, Luxemburg, and pay though.
binhthanhvo 1 year ago
She is totally right. It will be intresting to see if the current crisis will actually get bad enough for people to return to these ideas and embrace a real vision of socialism, like the one our Rosa is talking of here.
spurtfather 2 years ago 2
interesting but its very difficult to listen to with that robot speaking and makes the speech annoying...
please read it yourself and if you must, change your voice with a audio program like audicity
6thmonkey 2 years ago 5
sorry i don't currently have a mic but in the near future i will and i will record them thanks for peeping my vids
Menace3434 2 years ago
One of very few decent Luxemburg videos on Youtube. Well done indeed :)
RedAthena1919 2 years ago 3
god just read it
ChurchofMe88 2 years ago 4