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  • Written by James Hogg, who said "there can be no dispute that it is one of my worst". The tune was given to him by Niel Gow and is called "Gala Water". Source: Scottish pastoral poems, songs etc Mostly written in the dialect of the South, James Hogg, Edinburgh 1801

  • Long live the House of STUART!

  • I'll do it now since I'm bored anyway

    Kenneth MacAlpin>Constantine I of Scotland>Donald II of Scotland>Malcolm I of Scotland>

  • Kenneth II of Scotland>Malcolm II of Scotland>Bethoc (daughter, married Crinan of Dunkeld)>Malcom III of Scotland>David I of Scotland>Henry, Earl of Northumbria>David of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon>Isobel of Huntingdon (daughter, married Robert De Brus, 4th Lord of Annandale) >Robert de Brus, 5th Lord of AnnandaleRoberd de Brus, 6th Lord of Annandale>Robert I of Scotland>Marjorie Bruce (daughter, married William Stewart, 6th High Stewart of Scotland) >

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  • Robert II of Scotland (founded House of Stewart by the by)>Robert III of Scotland>James I of Scotland. I feel like I can stop there, since you know the rest

  • @shunkahaska

    I looked far back, and as they are descended from Robert the Bruce, they are descended from Kenneth MacAlpin. If you want, I can post the linneage chart for you

  • @blindkakashi neither charles or his father were descended from the original rightful royal house of scotland only the clans of the siol alpin are the descendants of kennth macalpine the first king of dalriada shunkahska

  • @blindkakashi neither charles or his father were descended from the original rightful royal house of scotland only the clans of the siol alpin are the descendants of kennth macalpine the first king of dalriada

  • I love my scottish heritage, and hope I'm descended from the small group of Clan MacNabb that were Tory rather than the Whiggamore majority of MacNabb. I think anyone who listened to this song would follow Charlie, the ancestor of the rightful throne of Scotland.

  • A rabble rousing song no doubt but how many appreciate that the sentiment that goes hand in glove with "down with the Whiggamore" (as expressed in the lyrics) is "up with the Tory." Of course there was no place for a Scottish Nationalist Party in those days and it is unlikely that Scotland would have fared any better under BPC and his Tories than it did under the Whiggamores of the day.

    Prince Charles Edward Stewart

  • @UISTMAN59 Well, yes and no. Remember, this song is written from a Highland perspective, and their particular objection to the Whigs was their tendency to involve the state in what the chieftains saw as private clan affairs. Tories were favoured because, traditionally, they had let the clans be. It's not really a reference to the wider political situation of Britain, but about how the Highlanders saw it as it applied to them.

  • @Traitorfish The song was composed by James Hogg (1770-1835), who lived and worked for most of his life in the Scottish Borders. It's doubtful if he really had a Highland perspective on these matters. The chieftains were not always the best arbiters of "private clan affairs" and would involve their people in affairs of state when it suited them regardless of the consequences which is probably why the clans were drawn into the Rebellion in the first place. :-(

  • @UISTMAN59 One thing! Never and seriusely never call Jacobites or the whole events a rebellion! They where no rebbels they where loyal servants to the rightfull monarch. The wigs and those discusting Hannoverian dogs are the rebbels. Rebbels are people who fight against legal things. The Jacobites where fighting for something legal. So thats why its called an uprising or a rising, becouse thats a fight agains something illigal. ;-) hope i helped ye with this now. atleast ye lisen to great music.

  • @Angus333McBride It was a rebellion.

  • @UISTMAN59 Lol whatever ye want yer probably not Scottish or a person with a healthy sense.

  • @Angus333McBride I am a Scot, not a Dutchman pretending to be a Scot. I believe I have a healthy sense.. :-)

  • @Angus333McBride. illegal rebel Whig Hanoverian rightful seriously disgusting were that's ... Sorry, I have this OCD tendency to freak out at spelling...I hope I helped ye with that now. At least ye know about the Jacobites.

  • i grew up in Alness, Scotland and I recall my parents seeing The Corries live.

    God Bless their awesome Scottish reality <3

  • Whae widni follow ye

  • I would actually recommend coming here for an extended period of time to see the reality of politics and how they are linked to these historical events.

  • Well actually Bonnie thats exactly what I want to do. Spend about 4 to 6 months travelling in Scotland. 1 reason obviously to see for myself whence my family does come from. 2 Meet up with Cousins on My Mother's side of the Family. Aunt and Uncle just wnt home last week to Scotland by the way, And you may laugh at this but to spend a Night in a Haunted Scottish Castle. Which I am sure there is enough of which to find. You know find a Wee Ghostie. Which is linked to the Historical

  • Oh by the way. I do understand the difference between the History of Scotland and the idealism of the Romanitism of the History. I do understand that the difference between the picture of say the Highlander resolutely facing adversity as a noble Scottish Warrior. Or do we mix that into the Mix so to speak with reality of the Political intrigue that often took place and the reality of day to day living of that same Highlander or for that matter any Scot

  • But even so having said that. My Blood calls me to go to Scotland. Its like something has not been fulfilled YET. I don't know if I can say it properly without sounding strange. its like my Blood is calling me over the Oceans to come to the HOME of my Family. It is said the BLOOD is STRONG. it appears it is with me and my family Bonnie. But don't ask me to wear the Kilt. I really haven't the knees for it now hahaha. To much Rugby when I was younger. Thats my excuse and sticking to it

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  • Bonnie please explain.

  • Let me explain - the Scottish Nation was completely - excuse my frankness - fucked by the English, who had been taken over by the German house of Hanover and are still "ruled" by the house of Windsor - known as Saxe, Coburg, Goethe, until World War I when they changed their name to Windsor! Because it was unfashionable to be German!! The Scottish will still rise as they realise all nations are still children of one supreme being! Peace Love and Light!

  • I agree! Slainte Bill!

  • @billyconnearly This seems an unreasonably xenophobic comment about the Germans. It's not clear why a king of mixed English Scottish French Italian and Polish ancestry should be more acceptable to you than one of English Scottish Dutch and German background or why you think that we are "ruled" by the royal family. We are not ruled by the queen, but we might well have been ruled by the Stuarts and their descendants since they were very insistent about the divine right of kings to govern.

  • Nice mention below of the United Scotsman, one of Scotlands best kept secrets...great men, we need them today!

  • We do indeed! A shame that so much of Scotland's history has been suppressed.

  • You are certainly correct. Very few people would know about the Radical war of the martyrs of 1820 nevermind the United Scotsmen. Men like these give people nationalist heroes to rally around. This is why the establishment does not teach them in school. Instead we get British 'heroes' like Churchill and Nelson.

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  • You referring to James Wilson of Strathaven John Baird Andrew Hardie of Glasgow hanged and beheaded in 1820. And George Mealmaker of Dundee who was transported to Australia in 1797 for Sedition for example. Mealmaker being of the United Scotsman. And the underlying theme being of social and economic justice workers rights and independant Scots Parliament. Hmmm interesting. You do realise many an irishman and Englishmen suffered the same as Mealmaker Sent to the Penal Colony of NSW

  • Yes I do but I am talking about the United Scotsmen, god help us that we might be allowed to speak about any part of our history without having England tagged on the end of it!

  • God helps us if we ignore that as well. That Englishmen and Irishmen were sent to Australia as Political Convicts. You maybe abled to ignore it but I can't as it forms part of my Country's History. As does my family will always be linked to Scotland due to my Family Name and Heritage and that of My Scottish Mother. Who do you think cleared the Highlands and for what for Bonnie. was it just so Englishmen could wear the Harris Tweed or were Highland Chiefs just as much to blame

  • Do not assume that you know what my politics are. I despise the Clan chiefs for what they did, they are all really just part of the English upper class now. This betryal makes up an important part of Gaelic literature from the time. You may not realise it but we get sick of hearing about England all the time, its rammed down our throats here by the media nad it would be nice ot have a discussion without adding them into it for once.

  • I am not assuming your Politics at all. If I gave that impression it wasn't meant. However given the Chieftans themselves the Clans would not have exsisted without them even though they later thought sheep were more valauble then Clansmen etc. But consider this. If that had not occured then Scots would not have made the voyagers to the New World and opened up new territories like Australia New Zealand Canada etc. These people took their Heritage with them. Such is the courage of the Scots

  • Aye I am a southern Kiwi)New Zealand) and according to me mum we are decendant from Clan Cameron.

    Southern , South Island (Southland & Otago) were settled predominately by the Scots

  • So what do you make of men of England and Ireland who Like George Mealmaker sent to the Penal Colony of NSW for Sedition by the British Crown as Political Convicts being Transported to Penal Servitude? What do you make of the Crofters Revolts and the Clearances of the Highlands. To replace the Crofters with Sheep? You do realise why many a Scot was forced to immigrate to Australia Canada US and New Zealand due to it. Your thoughts please

  • I agree with their cause and see them as part of the same brach of my political family. However, these ideas came from the French revolution and nothing better enhanced the idea of Nations than that event. Therefore, I am only really, deeply, interested in the Scottish aspect of this. I am also very familiar with the things you have mentioned. I dont mean to sound rude but have you ever been to Scotland?

  • Not yet unfortunately one has a family to raise and work for. But the French Revolution that spilled more blood of the Innocent then it did of the Royalty of France oh dear Bonnie Fratinity Equality etc Still blood was spilled and some of it innocent blood according to the records of the French National Razor. I hope you don't think I am rude either Bonnie. I am you might say a Historian and a Geo Politcal one at that. I even question why my family came here from Scotland

  • King of the hieland hearts Bonnie Prince Charlie!

  • If I am not wrong this is the song that he sang in the class room when he was my teacher in art class at Musselburgh Grammar School in 1964 or 5 before he went on to better things

  • one of them was ur art teacher ?

  • il était votre enseignant d'art.

    comment frais est cela!!

    You lucky lucky

  • weren't there more Jacobites in England at the time ?

  • I believe there were plenty, but the English Jacobite nobles wouldn't necessarily profit from an armed rebellion as much as the Scots. The Scottish feudal system may have contributed a lot to the raising of armies against the Hanovarian king north of the border. I'm surprised that you don't hear of a Republican third option during this time... have done with the lot of them and all.

  • Some of the most heroic and dedicated Jacobites were thise of the Manchester Regiment - brutally treated on capture by the government forces. The estimate of troops pressed by the clan system into military service is 5% - and unlike the the English Army (British after 1854) they were not whipped. Most were volunteers and 40% from the lowlands. Republicanism didnt become a force until the 1790s. Burns was a republican member of The United Scotsmen but with a Jacobite anti-unionist background.

  • Thank you so much. I had no idea what kind of support the Jacobites enjoyed from the English.  Excellent!

  • Well, first the name is Murray--not Murrey and it was Lord George Murray, not his brother James, Duke of Atholl.

    Hmmmm Know a lot about history, do you?Or maybe not. ;-)

  • Jeannnie I may not know my a's from my e's from my e or a james from a george but I can tell a wee twister and Charles Edward Stuart was such.

  • Truthfully, I have my problems with Prince Charles Edward Stewart. But he was the prince. And that king quaking in his bed was a usurper. No way around it. Were Stewarts perfect kings? A long way from it. But when you look at a LOT of what the Hanovers did, neither were they.

    And there was royalist support in England. I have always thought it was one thing Murray was wrong about. They should have taken London.

  • @JeannieTomlin I've read Military Historians who have said that had the Prince's forces taken London it would have ended the Hanoverian rule.

  • @Cradh  well put !!!

  • Pitty not else we would have won :(

  • an english jacobite is a royalist as their ideas were the same

  • One story, quite true, that illustrates the number of Jacobites in England was that George I banished fingerbowls from use at court to prevent toasts to "The king over the water." They didn't even come back into use at court until the reign of Edward VIII.

  • I love the corries, it sure stirs the blood. It wonderful that our history has been captured in song in such a touching and meaningful way. Incredable voices.

  • I hate being a Lowlander, One Nation! We will be FREE! AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Why do you hate being a lowlander?

  • Ronnie has the perfect storyteller's voice... I could listen to him talking and Roy singing for ever and ever!

  • 'S rioghal mo dhream

  • Man, another classic.

  • Celts will rise again, Scotland will be an nation once again. Free Scotland

  • by all means right after the Vikings conquer all again

  • Read, history of Britain ;)

  • mind you charlie wasn't wearing a tartan ensemble when he touched down in moidart !! and there were actually more jacobites in england :)

  • true that mey be but...not alot of englishmen waiten around in atholl the english only go place fram wenst they may come back from lol

  • Is it just me or is this song stink a bit of sassanach dribble, "we would not follow ye king of the heathen Celts?" Did I miss something? This has got to be a lowlander song, lol.

  • It's "hieland (Highland) hearts" instead of "heathen Celts", I think :)

  • Really? I'll have to listen closer. O_O

  • By George you're right!!!!! Sure did sound like Heathen Celts to me.

  • That's not what it says. . :-)

    It's "whae wad nae follow ye, King o' the hieland hearts."

    It means "who would not follow ye, King of the highland hearts." No sassanach dribble, just good Jacobite sentiment.

  • Scotlands Pride

  • may the corries live on forever in their songs!

  • I love those Corries!

  • not yet bettered in scotland

  • Not yet bettered anywhere! ^_^

  • Brilliant song

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