this is the best video blog video i have ever seen. thank you so much. why would anyone want live in chaos, some people just believe that there would be less chaos without a police state.
Why anarchism? Morality, not pragmatism. Do you inherently believe that force should be used on innocent people? No? Then you can't believe in the State. The State uses extortion (tax) on the threat of kidnapping (prison) to fund itself, and the funders are not guilty of a crime. Government and social contracts are NOT antithetical to anarchism, simply they must be voluntary, and non-monopolized. Utopia means uniformity of law, standards, etc...anarchy isn't utopian. The State is utopian.
Who decides where to build the roads? I mean, since there are no laws I can be a compleate fucking bully and every time I see someone trying to start a road I will build a fucking house in front of it, LOL:
@gulbirk This has been addressed a million times, look it up online. Obviously toll roads exist, and operate cheaper than paying for said road PLUS the bereaucrats salary/benefits to middleman the money and choose which local contractor handles the construction/maintenance based on the highest bidder as a lobbyist (legalized bribery). This cronie-ism exists DUE TO the State, obviously. And again, it's cheaper on YOU to not pay tax and just pay directly to contractors. Effeciency is better.
@gulbirk Anarchism is not lawless...this is what State schools propagandize you to believe. Lysander Spooner, a 19th Century anarchist with much clout in the community, called himself a Natural Lawyer (as in Natural Law). If you're not familiar with Natural Law Theory, look up the Enlightenment, The Age of Reason, and what standard is used to criticize Statist law all over the world regardless of borders or what State it is. It's the "Do No Harm" principle, essentially.
Also, you seem to think voluntary organization means disorder, spontaneous order means chaos, and anarchism is synonamous with lawlessness overall. It's quite the opposite. Stop listening to State schools and PC dictionaries that are ways to shortcut actually READING anarchists throughout history and learning what they stood for. Start in 5th Century BC China, 4th Century BC Greece (the Stoics and Cynics). You should also watch the videos or read the essays "Chaos Theory", by Dr. Robert Murphy.
@gulbirk Also, you seem to think voluntary organization means disorder, spontaneous order means chaos, and anarchism is synonamous with lawlessness overall. It's quite the opposite. Stop listening to State schools and PC dictionaries that are ways to shortcut actually READING anarchists throughout history and learning what they stood for. Start in 5th Century BC China, 4th Century BC Greece (the Stoics and Cynics). You should also watch the videos or read the essays "Chaos Theory", by...
@gulbirk ...by Dr. Robert Murphy. He's an anarchist, as is Dr. Thomas E. Woods, Doug Casey of Casey Research and international investing fame, etc.,etc.
It's not a simple man's philosophy or code of ewthics as you seem to want to believe.
@LatumWay G'day... Well now. Y're confused betwixt Anarchy - system with No Government, Disestablishmentarianism - changing the Socio-Politico- Economic Paradigm, & Bukharinite Anarchism...! MrBukharin held that a Destructive Act was a Creative Act - due to destruction of Matter liberating Energy.(!) Does that help ? At the moment Londinium be burning, as the Natives be Revolting. Because they Po-Lice overstepped the mark. Be accurate !
@epicfailnewbpwner But we dont really have some say, just the illusion of it. Short of taking to the streets to overturn an edict we have to accept everything. Those at the top certainly dont serve us, we serve them, whatever shade of politics they are.
It's a strange idea that we accept our born subservience, that we're individually too stupid/selfish to create a society of individuals, it's an idea carefully crafted. We were 'royale', but now an X in box is all we have left of it.
I think that even you're misinterpreting what the police dept said. I doubt that they even were thinking of a political philosophy when they said anarchists, moreso just someone who destroys government or business property or disrupts their processes, clearly a misnomer.
@epicfailnewbpwner Well I guess that assumes we voted. Trouble is we get the rule we'd never ask for by not asking for it. The masses are so wedded to the enslaving society that I doubt they could embrace voting for their own liberation, not without a serious awakening.
@epicfailnewbpwner Yes I think that one size fits all politics is by nature totalitarian and once we have our totalitarian government it attracts the deranged & dangerous.
For me it comes back to the fact that we are not born slaves, we are enslaved into criminal systems, socialism, communism, capitalism all seek to enslave & feed off the masses. People are conditioned to accept effective political serfdom. We aquiesce in systems that have never had our authorisation to rule, it is enslavement.
@epicfailnewbpwner I agree that parts of both are useful. Both fail ultimately because of human nature, some people will always craft dictatorship, some are utterly corrupt, some seek office so they can harm others & sadly those that seek power are usually psychopaths.
To me a society must be with consent, it should not be forced, it should not be created because 51% want it. It should be possible to have 100 different systems working side by side, not the totalitarian one state system now used.
@epicfailnewbpwner Communist power to the people , like the kind the dished out in the Soviet Union, 50 million butchered for not conforming, or the 70 million butchered in China. Communism's great for the masses, great at murdering them.
10 time more murders than the Nazis & still the left con the masses into thinking they are for the people.
fuck 5 0 real anarchy is frredom no different from a revolutionary no different from a patriot ALOT US (ANARCHIST) ARE HELPING OUT TO GET RON PAUL DENNIS KUCINICH IN HOUSE this puppet is talking about sheepie YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE . the HEY LOOK AT WHAT THEY ARE DOING LETS COPY THEM TO LOOK COOL no look it up again and study it it feel it then come back PEACE NAMASTE ALLAH BE WITH YOU
@4NIGHT0WOLF9 The very idea of a person being in office is what anarchists are against. Ron Paul is a politician, so we know that when he says he wants smaller government, he is lying. Why would he work to gain power in a government only to shrink his own power? The refusal to vote is a vote for no president. Most people cast this vote, and it's time their silence was heard.
@PluralOfEverything I'm an anarcho-capitalist, but i'll take a libertarian state over any others any day. I think it would be a lot easier to get a libertarian-minded nation to ditch the state than a more authoritarian one.
I think Ron Paul is completely genuine. His incentive is not to gain more power, it's to reduce the size of the upcoming collapse he and all other US citizens will have to put up with.
So now anarchists are being accused the same way people have been accused of being 'racist'. All modern witch hunts, and same tactics, same police state apparatus.
A stupid statement by the met police tbh, if they wanted to say anything they should've just said is "Smashing shit up is a philosophy in which people consider the state and shit to be something smashable, and so promote a smashable society. Any information relating to people smashing shit up or planning to smash shit up should be reported to your local police."
You got to understand that governments are big stupid brutes, and they will naturally act that way until someone up in the "brain" of the beast says -- "oh, no, thats not how we are!"
@LatumWay Anarchism has worked. Vast areas of Spain were anarcho-communist during the Spanish Civil War, heard figures of seven million citizens being part of the commune. Then Franco killed everyone.
One thing i found out is relating to both videos. The Belarusian government pins a fucklode of things on various anarchists for the purpose of locking them away for a long time.
And reporting them to police is like when my lovely country, the US, decided to report all communists to police just because certain "communist" countries weren't our friends. That went well.
Most anarchists that I know - aside from the few "trend anarchists" who are anarchists to be kind of cool, punk, whatever - are pretty awesome, albeit naive people. They believe in very liberal values - free speech, free press, free business... and that without a government controlling the population that people would (after the initial shit-storm) that people would eventually just get along. I personally think this is bullshit, but think they are far from being bad people for thinking it.
Although it is not a view I necessarilly agree with, arnarchism is a legitimate political view that is deserving of all rights and protections as any other. Shame on Belarus for acting like a police state.
Trading labor is fine. Construction is valid income. However, landlordism and absentee property "rights" are a form of usury....profiting by virtue of wealth separate from actual investment of labor. Its how the rich stay rich and the poor get poorer....This trait of capitalism must universally be opposed by all Anarchists. Anarchists can advocate a free market, like in mutualism or even Syndicalist collectivism, but you MUST oppose capitalism to be an Anarchist.
Anarcho-Capitalists are NOT Anarchists. Read the Anarchist FAQ for a list of many good reasons why.....Ancaps are authoritarians of the most brutal and totalitarian variety. They are basically advocating a form of Monarchy derived from anti-democratic property "rights", or a form of business feudalism....In some cases they are not even anti-corporate, but when they are its due to state regulation rather than the hierarchy in the workplace which they fully approve of. Authoritarians.
Right-Wing politics cannot exist without a state because they need police and standing armies to protect the property of the wealthy against the unwashed majority. Without statism and hierarchy in the workplace, forcing the workers to rent from those who own....Right-Libertarianism and Capitalism for that matter simply cannot exist. A truly anti-state anti-hierarchy society is inherently left-wing if not socialist. Every Anarchist is a socialist, but not every socialist is an Anarchist
@LatumWay I identify myself as an anti-statist (or stateless) capitalist, rather than an anarcho-capitalist, market anarchist or what have you. There are different definitions as to exactly what anarchism is, and as such the phrase "anti-statist capitalist" should clear up the confusion.
Anarcho-Capitalists are NOT Anarchists. Read the Anarchist FAQ for a list of many good reasons why.....Ancaps are authoritarians of the most brutal and totalitarian variety. They are basically advocating a form of Monarchy derived from anti-democratic property "rights", or a form of business feudalism....In some cases they are not even anti-corporate, but when they are its due to state regulation rather than the hierarchy in the workplace.
@LatumWay There are a lot of Anarchists that don't consider anarcho-capitalists real anarchists. Now whether or not that idea is valid is up for debate, but there are a significant portion of anarchists that think this way.
@LatumWay "Anarcho-Capitalists" are neither socialists or anarchists. The system they advocate is impossible as capitalism is self destructive and needs the state to prevent it from devouring itself. Argentina 2001 is an example of the state failing to protect capitalism from itself.
Anarchism worked in Spain during the Civil War/Revolution. Between two and three million human beings constructed a highly organised, egalitarian society before they were smashed by fascists and Stalinists.
@LatumWay Most anarchists don't consider them anarchists, anarchism historically is a socialist movement. Though I think AnCaps are crazy, I believe they are a form of anarchism.
@NickDjinn223 Sorry but a left wing state is by nature anti freedom, socialism cannot exist without forced taxation & redistribution of wealth requires a mega state structure.
Socialism still produces an elite class, the state forced taxation socialist system produces those who leech off the masses, a tax paid class of state parasites, how is that anti state. Socialism is the evolution of feudal oppression, it does not liberate the worker from criminal control rather it increases it.
@WillGo7 LOL a yank talking about left wing politics what a joke... there's more to the world than cretinous US media scum ya know. You want to fk off to Cuba if you love socialism so much.. or maybe take a trip to China & join the masses enslaved in factories on subsistence wages while their elite drive around in Mercs. You're the dumbass, you're another champagne socialist, left wing scum are just as bad as right wing scum. All remove freedom , all create oppressive state systems.
@scoocheeful You do understand that you make yourself look stupid, right? No state (or really any social group larger than a family) can exist without some form of taxation (taxation is not necessarily monetary). If you think that any order can come from a society without governance, you are mistaken. Also, you make a critical error in calling both China and Cuba socialist, they are both warped forms of communism if anything. Socialism is more like Denmark, Sweden, and most of the EU.
@WillGo7 So I'M stupid for rejecting forced taxation lol... how brainwashed are you. There's a difference between an effectively unaccountable state taking tax at gun point & people being given the opportunity to contribute to a society they agree with. Forced tax is entirely illegal, it makes the assuption that we are born slaves, you can be if you want ... I'm not.
Socialism / communism.. most of the EU socialists are communists, it's just shades of red, degrees of totalitarianism.
@NickDjinn223 Um socialism is high government control. What you were describing was pure communism. Communism is a stateless society but socialism is like the USSR, North Korea, and Cuba. Nations with high government control of the economy.
@NickDjinn223 yours is the only comment worth a damn on this whole page. Socialist anarchism is the only real anarchism, "anarcho-capitalism" is a fairy tale made up by contemporary stupid Americans who parrot the de-regulatory desires of their corporate masters. When you have capital you also have a power-structure, and you also have a police force, whether private or public, that protects those power relations. No capital means no power structure and no need for the existence of the State.
Also, while they may not simply "round up" everyone suspected of being an Anarchist, you can bet they would get flagged and profiled for their political beliefs in practice....Maybe not rounded up, but if there is any excuse to arrest them it would be more likely to happen with that 'black flag' on your profile than without it.
Thank you for making this video. However, I would like to debate you on the viability of Anarchism. If you would care for an interview or discussion I would love to defend the viability of the Anarchist model using historical examples of its success in practice. Nick_Jinn@yahoo.com
@Xerotaerg You do know Somalia has a government, right? It was instituted by the UN many years ago and is currently robbing and killing the Somalis (as any good government is apt to do) Somalia was doing well, and improving until that event.
I know some "real" anarchist (they know the philosophies and discuss them) and they wan't to burn stuff and smash windows. When I ask them how that is going to get people on their side they responde: "We don't want to convince people, they either get it or thei don't." And so they want to just attack the system and bring the state down so they can build their own community.
Although I tend to have some anarchist view, people like these just seem to egoistic for me.
Community policing has been intelligence-led for years; the only thing that is different about this "issue" is that some fool let a complete retard word the copy.
For all interested in a very quick (in relative terms) but fairly comprehensive look at anti-statism (in particular anarcho capitalism), watch fringeelements' "Anti-statism at light speed" series. Great stuff.
I look at anarchy the way I look at atheism. It's the absence of arguments in favor of the state that have led me to the viewpoint that the state is unnecessary and undesirable. I don't need to obey a god, and I don't need to obey a government.
@PluralOfEverything In an ideal world, where every person's conscience works all the time and our moral code is flawless, I would agree with you. Unfortunately, we don't live in that world. People need the piece of mind that if something goes wrong in society (as it does for natural or social reasons), if someone else's moral code (as agreed in the form of "law") breaks, they can get their bases covered somehow, even if not ideally so.
@cincofone And who will pay how and when for those? How are they to be kept neutral (rather than in favor of the one with the money)? In such a society, what do you do when someone refuses to pay for those services for whatever reason?
Some (if not many or all) courts are already corrupted, even though they're state ones, so privatizing them without control mechanisms is like asking for more corruption.
@boenrobot I suggest you watch this part of an anti-statism at light speed series to get answer to those questions. I can't do it in 500 chars, sorry. You'd be surprised at how many market forces that naturally regulate entities within the market the state (and hence law and courts, and any govt. connected business) is insulated from.
so you wish to go from statism to corporatism, brilliant move. Free market is not a one size fit all solution. Markets and companies don't regulate them selves apart from what there forced to do and in general the consumer either can'or simply does not give enough of a fuck to do so.
Also shit video, every time something doesn't make sense he just go's well some one else would figger that out. Not the mention plenty of loop holes in there
@boenrobot The same people whose consciences don't work properly are the ones in charge of governments. We can police ourselves every bit as well as we can police each other, so I see no reason to give a small group of flawed people a monopoly on the ability to use physical force on me.
Ah suck child like naivety. Are you fucking serious? There not flawed ppl there just ppl, no more or less flawed then any one else. Don't think for a second that you or any other group of people is any less flawed or would do any better. Your just demonizing your enemy so that you can pretend your shit don't stink. As for policing each other, sure next time you get robbed you can do all the policing your self. Because vigilantism always works so well.
@liesandtricks You said that people's moral codes are not flawless. Now you are saying people aren't flawed, but also sorta that they are. Make up your mind. I'm not saying that a different group of people should be in charge of the government. I'm saying nobody should be. I didn't say anything demonizing anybody. You're pretending I said things that I didn't so you can knock down a strawman rather than my actual arguments.
I'm saying the flaws you hate in politicians are present in every one including you. Was that so hard to grasp?
And yes you did when you stated politicians where flawed and that we could do better policing our selves as if we our selves are any less flawed or we'd have any less problems. Not to mention that self policing is a retarded idea.
And i never said you suggested other ppl should be in office, now that is a strawman.
@liesandtricks Not really. All politicians want their will made into law. I don't, and I don't think most other people do either. Wanting to control the lives of others is a special kind of flaw that I think is worse than most others.
I didn't say we could police ourselves better. I said we could do it "every bit as well" as they do. Most policing that people do is self policing. It's not retarded at all.
I don't know what your last sentence is referring to.
You think you don't is because some one else is doing it for you. Then again your doing that exact thing here. Politics and law isn't about control or dominance. Its about fixing certain issues. Since those are being dealt with for you you don't have to thats all.
If there is no improvement its pointless at best. So far ppl policing them selves has lead to lynching mobs etc so yeah retarded.
My last sentence was referring to the false statement in your previous post.
@liesandtricks Do you refrain from killing people simply because it's illegal? If so, then you are a sociopath. Most people aren't sociopaths. They decide what they should and should not do from one moment to the next. That's self policing. It's not retarded, so there. =p
And in any case, it is wrong to steal, but stealing is how the government is funded. Therefore the government should at the very least be rethought.
like you said "most people" meaning that there are still plenty of people left that don't. Also you don't need to be a sociopath to be either a criminal or a murderer. And you've only observed "self policing" bye ppl already being policed. So again retarded.
If your so mentally inept that you can't tell the difference between theft and tax you truly are a moron or did you think al those services you enjoyed should just be free?
@liesandtricks What do you mean when you say that a person is "policed"? Do you mean that they don't kill people because it's against the law? I already addressed that, so I'll go ahead and assume that's not what you mean. How do the police stop people from killing each other?
yes you did and i pointed out the flaws in it. That 1) there are plenty of people that don't obey the law and 2) that your example of all those people playing bye the rules of there own volition is actually another example of ppl being policed. Neither of which you have yet addressed. And the police does it bye attaching the threat of consequences to you actions.
Now are you gonna address the point or keep bitching?
@liesandtricks 1) I agree. That was one of my points to you. 2) *facepalm* So you are saying that you're a sociopath. The threat of consequences by the police has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that most people don't kill anybody. Everyone in the united states who wants to kill somebody does it with no regard for the legal consequences, and a lot of them get away with it.
1) if you realize this then why do you keep insisting these ppl can police them selves 2) No i'm saying you you don't have to be a sociopath to murder some one you stupid cunt how many time do i have to repeat my self for this to sink in? And is Murder the only form of crime there is? No. And you assertion that every one who ever wanted to kill some one did so regardless of the risk of getting caught is completely baseless.
@liesandtricks 1.) I said they can police themselves as well as the law does. I did not say they would not continue to victimize each other. 2.) Why are you getting upset? Take a deep breath. We're just having a conversation here. I was just using murder as an example because we can both agree that it's wrong to do and also against the law. My assertion is not baseless because people actually do murder people despite the fact that it's against the law. Do I need to show you a news...
1) So all those ppl in jail would have some how put them selves in jail if there where no cops? Brilliant 2) because your either purposefully being dishonest or not bothering to read. because you'd rather talk about me being pissed then defend your dumb point. Also why would you think we agree on that?
-facepalm- The fact that ppl do murder despite the law does not mean that the law has never prevents ppl from murdering. it just means its doesn't work perfectly.
@PluralOfEverything Atheism is a lack of belief in the existence of a god. Not even comparable to anarchy, which is a political view regarding the state as an undesirable concentration of power. Learn your facts before you say you believe in a political system.
@WillGo7 Anarchy is the absence of belief in the validity of government. The two are comparable in that way. I didn't say they were the same in all ways. Don't assume that I don't know "the facts" (whatever that means) just because you misunderstood what I said.
@PluralOfEverything seeing how your on youtube, it's pretty safe to assume you're a scraggly white guy. Having said that, you do realize, in an anarchist society, your skull would probably end up as some 300 pound biker's new trophy after tossing your body into a ditch, right?
Government does not exist to tell you what to do, it exists to prevent people from taking advantage of the disadvantaged.
@TheHomelessCripple You can't possibly back up that conjecture. I think you've seen too many movies.
I agree, government doesn't exist to simply tell people what to do. It exists to force people to do what it wants them to do or forbid them from doing what it doesn't want them to do. It fails to prevent people from taking advantage of the disadvantaged. In fact, it engages in a lot of that itself. That is what it exists to do.
@PluralOfEverything Actually yes i can "back up this conjecture". In this world it's survival of the fittest, eat or be eaten. In an anarchist society there is nothing stopping the assholes from being assholes. You compete for a girl, no one is going to stop the other guy from cutting off your head. You have a piece of land someone else want, what's stopping them from stabbing you in your sleep? Government levels the playing filed by protecting the rights of its people. There's no way around it.
@TheHomelessCripple How about people just not actually being as bad as you think they are? If you think people are so horrible, who do you think is in charge of governments? Yeah, people.
@PluralOfEverything The problem is that real physical evidence exists for crises that cannot be solved locally. I take a view of the prisoner's dilemma... by always making the best choice for the individual, a collective will end up making the wrong choices overall. That's what government should be there for: to make the difficult and undesirable choices that will actually end up producing better returns for everyone on average.
@puellanivis I'm not convinced that the prisoner's dilemma reflects society. We are not isolated from each other. We can communicate. You have no idea what the "prisoners" will ultimately choose unless you know each of them personally. Using two hypothetical prisoners with purely logical motivations doesn't reflect reality any more than comparing society to a prison in which two suspects are isolated and unable to communicate with each other.
@PluralOfEverything but the people don't have to be FORCEFULLY separated. As an example, there is a person in Maine with whom I have never talked to. He's perhaps buying a house. I also am buying a house. Our actions will both on a limited scale effect each other, but we don't communicate, we don't plan. We simply do what is in our own individual best interests. The assumption that "we communicate therefore we're not isolated" is false. We communicate with some, but are generally isolated.
@puellanivis Are you talking about the butterfly effect or something like that? You're going to have to come up with a better example than two people buying houses. I didn't assume that people can communicate. They really can, and it really means they're not isolated.
@PluralOfEverything Again, yes, we do communicate with some people, but even if we take everyone I have ever communicated with, we would not compose the number of people that live in my city. YES we communicate, but we don't communicate with EVERYONE. In fact, government IS the form of communication people use to collaborate ideas and effect goals as a group. Same with corporations. It's still just people grouping together to make collective decisions instead of individual decisions.
@puellanivis Government should be a form of communication between the people in a society, but it isn't. If it was, then force would not be necessary. When you use violence, which I suppose could also be said to be a form of communication, you're no longer engaging in productive conversation. Sometimes it's necessary to use violence. I call these times self defense or the defense of others. There is no other acceptable way to use violence.
@PluralOfEverything Government IS a form of communication, because MOST OF THE TIME VIOLENCE ISN'T NECESSARY NOR USED. Most people do the right thing. I assert: all violence is force, but not all force is violence. Now, assume your neighbor just stole your car. What do you do? It's not self defense nor defense of others. Preventing theft is defense of property. Recovering stolen chattel is restitution of property. Which of these two uses of force are permissible? Or would you let him keep it?
Hmmm. This does not seem like mixing categories to you? Theism is a belief in the existence of something, and statism, in this context, is a preference for how something should be organized.
Even if you were a theist, then you could still find it preferable to disobey the authority of that personnel god.
@jeb31415 Of course there is a difference between anarchy and atheism. I didn't say they are the same thing. I said that I see the two in a similar way, and I explained it. I am an anarchist for reasons similar to why I am an atheist, i.e. the absence of a reason to believe in government.
Sorry, I meant "personal" god. A god that is not concerned about human affairs and whether you act "morally" etc..
My point was that you were equivocating two different senses of the word "believe". One is a description and one is a prescription. The analogy seems muddled.
@LatumWay - It's not really "anarchism", it's more free market anti-statism, but if you want to see what "anarcho-capitalists" think, check out a video series by a guy called "fringeelements", entitled "Anti-statism at light-speed" and watch all of the videos under the account "Foranemergentgov". Even if you don't agree with it, it's quite interesting, and it may change your mind on a few things and give you a bit of perspective.
You're awesome. Nice attitude of “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” ...Voltaire never actually said that, but it's a good quote nonetheless.
Actually, I think you'll find that most of the people who are throwing chunks of the sidewalk through the front windows of the GAP are more apt to have read Kropotkin than your average progressive/liberal protestor.
Purist social and political ideologies of this sort are dangerous and naive, the world isn't black and white it's a thousand shades of grey. Report anarchists to the police eh? Sounds a bit Orwellian.
I'm an Anarchist and the terrorist anarchists aren't good examples of them no. My gripe is that they focus far too much on pointing out the flaws of society while the goal should be to take away peoples dependence on it. Should be building non-profit cooperative organizations that would make government and capitalism obsolete, but some think they would never allow that.
Anarchism, or rather Anarcho-syndicalism, is not necessarily a lack of a government. But rather a society with a decentralised 'bottom-up' government, wherein the economy is, in a sense, governed by voluntarily trade unions, and businesses are worker owned.
Regarding the student protests, I have a question for anarchists. Why would you support continuing or aggravating a government deficit (which is spending that is borrowing backed by government force, essentially).
@omgatheism The point is for universal education and to attain this in the current system is through taxes, if the anarchists had it their way from the start money would be abolished along with the state so it would be pointless to have a 'deficit' in this sense.
this is the best video blog video i have ever seen. thank you so much. why would anyone want live in chaos, some people just believe that there would be less chaos without a police state.
Shek1337 1 month ago
When I see you, I just picture rage and it scares me and I kinda wanna choke you out of fear.
lovingsingleton 1 month ago
The irony. Arresting me for being an anarchist would actually prove many of the points I raise against governance.
Either way, I win. You don't arrest me: I win. You arrest me: I win.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 3 months ago
Why anarchism? Morality, not pragmatism. Do you inherently believe that force should be used on innocent people? No? Then you can't believe in the State. The State uses extortion (tax) on the threat of kidnapping (prison) to fund itself, and the funders are not guilty of a crime. Government and social contracts are NOT antithetical to anarchism, simply they must be voluntary, and non-monopolized. Utopia means uniformity of law, standards, etc...anarchy isn't utopian. The State is utopian.
ProIndividual 4 months ago
In a stateless society.
Who decides where to build the roads? I mean, since there are no laws I can be a compleate fucking bully and every time I see someone trying to start a road I will build a fucking house in front of it, LOL:
gulbirk 5 months ago
@gulbirk This has been addressed a million times, look it up online. Obviously toll roads exist, and operate cheaper than paying for said road PLUS the bereaucrats salary/benefits to middleman the money and choose which local contractor handles the construction/maintenance based on the highest bidder as a lobbyist (legalized bribery). This cronie-ism exists DUE TO the State, obviously. And again, it's cheaper on YOU to not pay tax and just pay directly to contractors. Effeciency is better.
ProIndividual 4 months ago
@gulbirk Anarchism is not lawless...this is what State schools propagandize you to believe. Lysander Spooner, a 19th Century anarchist with much clout in the community, called himself a Natural Lawyer (as in Natural Law). If you're not familiar with Natural Law Theory, look up the Enlightenment, The Age of Reason, and what standard is used to criticize Statist law all over the world regardless of borders or what State it is. It's the "Do No Harm" principle, essentially.
ProIndividual 4 months ago
Also, you seem to think voluntary organization means disorder, spontaneous order means chaos, and anarchism is synonamous with lawlessness overall. It's quite the opposite. Stop listening to State schools and PC dictionaries that are ways to shortcut actually READING anarchists throughout history and learning what they stood for. Start in 5th Century BC China, 4th Century BC Greece (the Stoics and Cynics). You should also watch the videos or read the essays "Chaos Theory", by Dr. Robert Murphy.
ProIndividual 4 months ago
@gulbirk Also, you seem to think voluntary organization means disorder, spontaneous order means chaos, and anarchism is synonamous with lawlessness overall. It's quite the opposite. Stop listening to State schools and PC dictionaries that are ways to shortcut actually READING anarchists throughout history and learning what they stood for. Start in 5th Century BC China, 4th Century BC Greece (the Stoics and Cynics). You should also watch the videos or read the essays "Chaos Theory", by...
ProIndividual 4 months ago
@gulbirk ...by Dr. Robert Murphy. He's an anarchist, as is Dr. Thomas E. Woods, Doug Casey of Casey Research and international investing fame, etc.,etc.
It's not a simple man's philosophy or code of ewthics as you seem to want to believe.
ProIndividual 4 months ago
well said
joeequalsche 6 months ago
that statement was really posted by the UK police? damn lol
YourRoadToHell 6 months ago
I will not be unsubscribing from my daily dose of Mises. Good thing I live in the states.
CosmicThinking 6 months ago
IN AMERICA: THE POLICE STATION COMES TO YOU.
unhappy4life9 6 months ago 2
@unhappy4life9 Soviet Russia would be proud of our progress.
startreking2007 6 months ago
Lmao - "Kropotkin? I don't know what that is. Sounds delicious, though."
Awesome.
conejaverde 6 months ago
They must be Keynesian anarchists - fixing the world one broken window at a time.
StatelessLiberty 6 months ago 7
@StatelessLiberty - Well said man, well said. ;-D
StateExempt 6 months ago
@StatelessLiberty do not get
LatumWay 6 months ago
@LatumWay /watch?v=gG3AKoL0vEs
StatelessLiberty 6 months ago
@LatumWay
Someone had a sign that asked if Obama was a Keynesian. Everyone thought it meant that he was from Kenya. LOLS ensue.
67576856666478964567 6 months ago
@LatumWay Look up the Broken Window Fallacy.
ProIndividual 4 months ago
@LatumWay
Grassroots Keyneseans: Increasing aggregate demand one broken window at a time.
-An insurrectionary anarchist.
guatahala 3 months ago
@LatumWay G'day... Well now. Y're confused betwixt Anarchy - system with No Government, Disestablishmentarianism - changing the Socio-Politico- Economic Paradigm, & Bukharinite Anarchism...! MrBukharin held that a Destructive Act was a Creative Act - due to destruction of Matter liberating Energy.(!) Does that help ? At the moment Londinium be burning, as the Natives be Revolting. Because they Po-Lice overstepped the mark. Be accurate !
WarblesOnALot 6 months ago
@epicfailnewbpwner But we dont really have some say, just the illusion of it. Short of taking to the streets to overturn an edict we have to accept everything. Those at the top certainly dont serve us, we serve them, whatever shade of politics they are.
It's a strange idea that we accept our born subservience, that we're individually too stupid/selfish to create a society of individuals, it's an idea carefully crafted. We were 'royale', but now an X in box is all we have left of it.
scoocheeful 6 months ago
I think that even you're misinterpreting what the police dept said. I doubt that they even were thinking of a political philosophy when they said anarchists, moreso just someone who destroys government or business property or disrupts their processes, clearly a misnomer.
metalshoes 6 months ago
@metalshoes Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what I said in my video.
LatumWay 6 months ago
@epicfailnewbpwner Well I guess that assumes we voted. Trouble is we get the rule we'd never ask for by not asking for it. The masses are so wedded to the enslaving society that I doubt they could embrace voting for their own liberation, not without a serious awakening.
scoocheeful 6 months ago
@epicfailnewbpwner Yes I think that one size fits all politics is by nature totalitarian and once we have our totalitarian government it attracts the deranged & dangerous.
For me it comes back to the fact that we are not born slaves, we are enslaved into criminal systems, socialism, communism, capitalism all seek to enslave & feed off the masses. People are conditioned to accept effective political serfdom. We aquiesce in systems that have never had our authorisation to rule, it is enslavement.
scoocheeful 7 months ago
ANARCHY
makemegood5two 7 months ago
@epicfailnewbpwner I agree that parts of both are useful. Both fail ultimately because of human nature, some people will always craft dictatorship, some are utterly corrupt, some seek office so they can harm others & sadly those that seek power are usually psychopaths.
To me a society must be with consent, it should not be forced, it should not be created because 51% want it. It should be possible to have 100 different systems working side by side, not the totalitarian one state system now used.
scoocheeful 7 months ago
@epicfailnewbpwner Communist power to the people , like the kind the dished out in the Soviet Union, 50 million butchered for not conforming, or the 70 million butchered in China. Communism's great for the masses, great at murdering them.
10 time more murders than the Nazis & still the left con the masses into thinking they are for the people.
scoocheeful 7 months ago
Jacob, I don't want to alarm you, but...
(whispers) Yesterday is standing right behind you.
MntlWard 7 months ago
Please watch my state is not great video and respond.
JacobSpinney 7 months ago 7
fuck 5 0 real anarchy is frredom no different from a revolutionary no different from a patriot ALOT US (ANARCHIST) ARE HELPING OUT TO GET RON PAUL DENNIS KUCINICH IN HOUSE this puppet is talking about sheepie YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE . the HEY LOOK AT WHAT THEY ARE DOING LETS COPY THEM TO LOOK COOL no look it up again and study it it feel it then come back PEACE NAMASTE ALLAH BE WITH YOU
4NIGHT0WOLF9 7 months ago
@4NIGHT0WOLF9 The very idea of a person being in office is what anarchists are against. Ron Paul is a politician, so we know that when he says he wants smaller government, he is lying. Why would he work to gain power in a government only to shrink his own power? The refusal to vote is a vote for no president. Most people cast this vote, and it's time their silence was heard.
PluralOfEverything 7 months ago
@PluralOfEverything I'm an anarcho-capitalist, but i'll take a libertarian state over any others any day. I think it would be a lot easier to get a libertarian-minded nation to ditch the state than a more authoritarian one.
I think Ron Paul is completely genuine. His incentive is not to gain more power, it's to reduce the size of the upcoming collapse he and all other US citizens will have to put up with.
cincofone 7 months ago
"your local pleese."
:D
Killerh4mster 7 months ago
Read For a New Liberty by Rothbard. Highly recommended.
sharperguy 7 months ago
So now anarchists are being accused the same way people have been accused of being 'racist'. All modern witch hunts, and same tactics, same police state apparatus.
DeltaNordicAdvance 7 months ago
A stupid statement by the met police tbh, if they wanted to say anything they should've just said is "Smashing shit up is a philosophy in which people consider the state and shit to be something smashable, and so promote a smashable society. Any information relating to people smashing shit up or planning to smash shit up should be reported to your local police."
TheWatcherGrigori 7 months ago
Talk to fringeelements. He'll cure your Statism pretty quickly.
ExileInFire 7 months ago
You got to understand that governments are big stupid brutes, and they will naturally act that way until someone up in the "brain" of the beast says -- "oh, no, thats not how we are!"
mindprism 7 months ago
@LatumWay Anarchism has worked. Vast areas of Spain were anarcho-communist during the Spanish Civil War, heard figures of seven million citizens being part of the commune. Then Franco killed everyone.
ozmonster1989 7 months ago
I liked the joke about Kropotkin :)
SecularNumanist 7 months ago
One thing i found out is relating to both videos. The Belarusian government pins a fucklode of things on various anarchists for the purpose of locking them away for a long time.
Frasssaanarchy 7 months ago
And reporting them to police is like when my lovely country, the US, decided to report all communists to police just because certain "communist" countries weren't our friends. That went well.
cjrpoc 7 months ago
Most anarchists that I know - aside from the few "trend anarchists" who are anarchists to be kind of cool, punk, whatever - are pretty awesome, albeit naive people. They believe in very liberal values - free speech, free press, free business... and that without a government controlling the population that people would (after the initial shit-storm) that people would eventually just get along. I personally think this is bullshit, but think they are far from being bad people for thinking it.
cjrpoc 7 months ago
Although it is not a view I necessarilly agree with, arnarchism is a legitimate political view that is deserving of all rights and protections as any other. Shame on Belarus for acting like a police state.
craigore2011 7 months ago
Trading labor is fine. Construction is valid income. However, landlordism and absentee property "rights" are a form of usury....profiting by virtue of wealth separate from actual investment of labor. Its how the rich stay rich and the poor get poorer....This trait of capitalism must universally be opposed by all Anarchists. Anarchists can advocate a free market, like in mutualism or even Syndicalist collectivism, but you MUST oppose capitalism to be an Anarchist.
NickDjinn223 7 months ago
Anarcho-Capitalists are NOT Anarchists. Read the Anarchist FAQ for a list of many good reasons why.....Ancaps are authoritarians of the most brutal and totalitarian variety. They are basically advocating a form of Monarchy derived from anti-democratic property "rights", or a form of business feudalism....In some cases they are not even anti-corporate, but when they are its due to state regulation rather than the hierarchy in the workplace which they fully approve of. Authoritarians.
NickDjinn223 7 months ago
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Rik (Young Ones) will not like this...
goombaartist 7 months ago
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NeoLockeanLunatic 7 months ago
Right-Wing politics cannot exist without a state because they need police and standing armies to protect the property of the wealthy against the unwashed majority. Without statism and hierarchy in the workplace, forcing the workers to rent from those who own....Right-Libertarianism and Capitalism for that matter simply cannot exist. A truly anti-state anti-hierarchy society is inherently left-wing if not socialist. Every Anarchist is a socialist, but not every socialist is an Anarchist
NickDjinn223 7 months ago
@NickDjinn223 What about anarcho-capitalists?
LatumWay 7 months ago 4
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@LatumWay I identify myself as an anti-statist (or stateless) capitalist, rather than an anarcho-capitalist, market anarchist or what have you. There are different definitions as to exactly what anarchism is, and as such the phrase "anti-statist capitalist" should clear up the confusion.
NeoLockeanLunatic 7 months ago
@LatumWay how will they enforce free trade without a state?
glennfinito 7 months ago
@LatumWay Respond to this video...
Anarcho-Capitalists are NOT Anarchists. Read the Anarchist FAQ for a list of many good reasons why.....Ancaps are authoritarians of the most brutal and totalitarian variety. They are basically advocating a form of Monarchy derived from anti-democratic property "rights", or a form of business feudalism....In some cases they are not even anti-corporate, but when they are its due to state regulation rather than the hierarchy in the workplace.
NickDjinn223 7 months ago
@LatumWay
Anarcho-Capitalism is kind of a contradiction tbh. you can support freemarkets and still be anti capitalist.
Dad, I am confuse.
SecularNumanist 7 months ago
@LatumWay There are a lot of Anarchists that don't consider anarcho-capitalists real anarchists. Now whether or not that idea is valid is up for debate, but there are a significant portion of anarchists that think this way.
bfl3tcher 7 months ago
@LatumWay "Anarcho-Capitalists" are neither socialists or anarchists. The system they advocate is impossible as capitalism is self destructive and needs the state to prevent it from devouring itself. Argentina 2001 is an example of the state failing to protect capitalism from itself.
Anarchism worked in Spain during the Civil War/Revolution. Between two and three million human beings constructed a highly organised, egalitarian society before they were smashed by fascists and Stalinists.
DuffmanIRL 7 months ago
@DuffmanIRL Seven million geezer ! :-)
ozmonster1989 7 months ago
@LatumWay Most anarchists don't consider them anarchists, anarchism historically is a socialist movement. Though I think AnCaps are crazy, I believe they are a form of anarchism.
ViolentMonopoly 7 months ago
@NickDjinn223 Sorry but a left wing state is by nature anti freedom, socialism cannot exist without forced taxation & redistribution of wealth requires a mega state structure.
Socialism still produces an elite class, the state forced taxation socialist system produces those who leech off the masses, a tax paid class of state parasites, how is that anti state. Socialism is the evolution of feudal oppression, it does not liberate the worker from criminal control rather it increases it.
scoocheeful 7 months ago
@scoocheeful are you kidding me? "left wing state"? who did you learn politics from, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh? Learn, then write, dumbass.
WillGo7 7 months ago
@WillGo7 LOL a yank talking about left wing politics what a joke... there's more to the world than cretinous US media scum ya know. You want to fk off to Cuba if you love socialism so much.. or maybe take a trip to China & join the masses enslaved in factories on subsistence wages while their elite drive around in Mercs. You're the dumbass, you're another champagne socialist, left wing scum are just as bad as right wing scum. All remove freedom , all create oppressive state systems.
scoocheeful 7 months ago
@scoocheeful You do understand that you make yourself look stupid, right? No state (or really any social group larger than a family) can exist without some form of taxation (taxation is not necessarily monetary). If you think that any order can come from a society without governance, you are mistaken. Also, you make a critical error in calling both China and Cuba socialist, they are both warped forms of communism if anything. Socialism is more like Denmark, Sweden, and most of the EU.
WillGo7 6 months ago
@WillGo7 So I'M stupid for rejecting forced taxation lol... how brainwashed are you. There's a difference between an effectively unaccountable state taking tax at gun point & people being given the opportunity to contribute to a society they agree with. Forced tax is entirely illegal, it makes the assuption that we are born slaves, you can be if you want ... I'm not.
Socialism / communism.. most of the EU socialists are communists, it's just shades of red, degrees of totalitarianism.
scoocheeful 6 months ago
@NickDjinn223
Well well if it isnt Nick Djinn from the facebook mutualist page.
SecularNumanist 7 months ago
@NickDjinn223 Um socialism is high government control. What you were describing was pure communism. Communism is a stateless society but socialism is like the USSR, North Korea, and Cuba. Nations with high government control of the economy.
xtremejohnny69 6 months ago
@NickDjinn223 yours is the only comment worth a damn on this whole page. Socialist anarchism is the only real anarchism, "anarcho-capitalism" is a fairy tale made up by contemporary stupid Americans who parrot the de-regulatory desires of their corporate masters. When you have capital you also have a power-structure, and you also have a police force, whether private or public, that protects those power relations. No capital means no power structure and no need for the existence of the State.
truthslap 6 months ago
Also, while they may not simply "round up" everyone suspected of being an Anarchist, you can bet they would get flagged and profiled for their political beliefs in practice....Maybe not rounded up, but if there is any excuse to arrest them it would be more likely to happen with that 'black flag' on your profile than without it.
NickDjinn223 7 months ago
Thank you for making this video. However, I would like to debate you on the viability of Anarchism. If you would care for an interview or discussion I would love to defend the viability of the Anarchist model using historical examples of its success in practice. Nick_Jinn@yahoo.com
NickDjinn223 7 months ago
"And remember, everything I say is probably wrong." Humble and sexy? Yay! :)
puellanivis 7 months ago
Wow Jacob, some of the people commenting on this video didn't actually listen to a word you said in it.
starfedrogue 7 months ago 3
@starfedrogue i no rite
LatumWay 7 months ago 3
@starfedrogue Welcome to YouTube.
TheOJDrinker 6 months ago
Anarchism is the new communism! z0mg z0mg!
godshiva 7 months ago
I'm going to report the sex pistols ,lols .
sausage4mash 7 months ago
Yet another constitutional infraction. Hidden behind terminology.
lanceknightmare 7 months ago
Has anyone told you that you look like a deranged mime in your video's thumbnail?
videosteini 7 months ago
@Xerotaerg You do know Somalia has a government, right? It was instituted by the UN many years ago and is currently robbing and killing the Somalis (as any good government is apt to do) Somalia was doing well, and improving until that event.
Killedkennyagain 7 months ago
Anarchist is a broad term describing 100s of anti-government philosophies.
Killedkennyagain 7 months ago
I don't necessarily agree with anarchism but this is TFU
Dibdin100 7 months ago
Just send them all to anarchy camp: watch?v=5KsvStAf5L0
Meiklelodians 7 months ago
We've seen quite an increase in requests for people to report on their neighbors in both the UK and USA since 911.
Predictable Nazi/Stalinist tactics FTL.
bowlsallbroken 7 months ago
I know some "real" anarchist (they know the philosophies and discuss them) and they wan't to burn stuff and smash windows. When I ask them how that is going to get people on their side they responde: "We don't want to convince people, they either get it or thei don't." And so they want to just attack the system and bring the state down so they can build their own community.
Although I tend to have some anarchist view, people like these just seem to egoistic for me.
reafdaw01 7 months ago
In the US you can be arrested for being an anarchist =P
OukaKisa 7 months ago
@OukaKisa for some reason the 2nd 1/2 of this video made me crave vanilla frosting o.O
OukaKisa 7 months ago
Community policing has been intelligence-led for years; the only thing that is different about this "issue" is that some fool let a complete retard word the copy.
starfedrogue 7 months ago
yea ya are abit of a dick. Thumbs up still :)
V4V3ndettas 7 months ago
i wonder what fucktardedelements is going to say
ThatGuysSockAccount 7 months ago
For all interested in a very quick (in relative terms) but fairly comprehensive look at anti-statism (in particular anarcho capitalism), watch fringeelements' "Anti-statism at light speed" series. Great stuff.
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cincofone 7 months ago
anarchist with the best ideas often have ideas that are so close to statism that is hard to call them anarchists.
ThatGuysSockAccount 7 months ago
You're so metrosexual.
maggot432 7 months ago
anarcho capitalism ftw
cincofone 7 months ago
@cincofone You are kidding, right?
WillGo7 7 months ago
@WillGo7 Nope, completely serious.
cincofone 7 months ago
arn't so called anarchist's just mostly just piss and wind?
angrywhenroused 7 months ago
the thumbnail is a trollface....
nactan 7 months ago
First they came for the Anarchist's, and I did not speak out because I was not an Anarchist.
Then they Came for the Libertarians, and I did not speak out because I was not a Libertarian.
Then they came for the Greens, and I did not speak out, because I was not a Green.
And then they came for me, and no one spoke out, because no one gives a shit about fringe parties.
TheBoyFromNorfolk 7 months ago
Report Anarchists...so we'll be ready to round them up and give them a new tattoo when the time comes. God bless the State.
TheHigherVoltage 7 months ago
I wonder if the Vancouver police said to report any Canucks supporters
AidanTAKFW 7 months ago
I look at anarchy the way I look at atheism. It's the absence of arguments in favor of the state that have led me to the viewpoint that the state is unnecessary and undesirable. I don't need to obey a god, and I don't need to obey a government.
PluralOfEverything 7 months ago 7
@PluralOfEverything In an ideal world, where every person's conscience works all the time and our moral code is flawless, I would agree with you. Unfortunately, we don't live in that world. People need the piece of mind that if something goes wrong in society (as it does for natural or social reasons), if someone else's moral code (as agreed in the form of "law") breaks, they can get their bases covered somehow, even if not ideally so.
/watch?v=ramBFRt1Uzk
/watch?v=nUdsTizSxSI
boenrobot 7 months ago
@boenrobot Statism is not law and order. All the useful services of government like courts and police for example can be provided by a market.
cincofone 7 months ago
@cincofone And who will pay how and when for those? How are they to be kept neutral (rather than in favor of the one with the money)? In such a society, what do you do when someone refuses to pay for those services for whatever reason?
Some (if not many or all) courts are already corrupted, even though they're state ones, so privatizing them without control mechanisms is like asking for more corruption.
boenrobot 7 months ago
@boenrobot I suggest you watch this part of an anti-statism at light speed series to get answer to those questions. I can't do it in 500 chars, sorry. You'd be surprised at how many market forces that naturally regulate entities within the market the state (and hence law and courts, and any govt. connected business) is insulated from.
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cincofone 7 months ago
@cincofone
so you wish to go from statism to corporatism, brilliant move. Free market is not a one size fit all solution. Markets and companies don't regulate them selves apart from what there forced to do and in general the consumer either can'or simply does not give enough of a fuck to do so.
Also shit video, every time something doesn't make sense he just go's well some one else would figger that out. Not the mention plenty of loop holes in there
liesandtricks 7 months ago
@boenrobot The same people whose consciences don't work properly are the ones in charge of governments. We can police ourselves every bit as well as we can police each other, so I see no reason to give a small group of flawed people a monopoly on the ability to use physical force on me.
PluralOfEverything 7 months ago
@PluralOfEverything
Ah suck child like naivety. Are you fucking serious? There not flawed ppl there just ppl, no more or less flawed then any one else. Don't think for a second that you or any other group of people is any less flawed or would do any better. Your just demonizing your enemy so that you can pretend your shit don't stink. As for policing each other, sure next time you get robbed you can do all the policing your self. Because vigilantism always works so well.
liesandtricks 7 months ago
@liesandtricks You said that people's moral codes are not flawless. Now you are saying people aren't flawed, but also sorta that they are. Make up your mind. I'm not saying that a different group of people should be in charge of the government. I'm saying nobody should be. I didn't say anything demonizing anybody. You're pretending I said things that I didn't so you can knock down a strawman rather than my actual arguments.
PluralOfEverything 7 months ago
@PluralOfEverything
I'm saying the flaws you hate in politicians are present in every one including you. Was that so hard to grasp?
And yes you did when you stated politicians where flawed and that we could do better policing our selves as if we our selves are any less flawed or we'd have any less problems. Not to mention that self policing is a retarded idea.
And i never said you suggested other ppl should be in office, now that is a strawman.
liesandtricks 7 months ago
@liesandtricks Not really. All politicians want their will made into law. I don't, and I don't think most other people do either. Wanting to control the lives of others is a special kind of flaw that I think is worse than most others.
I didn't say we could police ourselves better. I said we could do it "every bit as well" as they do. Most policing that people do is self policing. It's not retarded at all.
I don't know what your last sentence is referring to.
PluralOfEverything 7 months ago
@PluralOfEverything
You think you don't is because some one else is doing it for you. Then again your doing that exact thing here. Politics and law isn't about control or dominance. Its about fixing certain issues. Since those are being dealt with for you you don't have to thats all.
If there is no improvement its pointless at best. So far ppl policing them selves has lead to lynching mobs etc so yeah retarded.
My last sentence was referring to the false statement in your previous post.
liesandtricks 7 months ago
@liesandtricks Do you refrain from killing people simply because it's illegal? If so, then you are a sociopath. Most people aren't sociopaths. They decide what they should and should not do from one moment to the next. That's self policing. It's not retarded, so there. =p
And in any case, it is wrong to steal, but stealing is how the government is funded. Therefore the government should at the very least be rethought.
PluralOfEverything 7 months ago
@PluralOfEverything
like you said "most people" meaning that there are still plenty of people left that don't. Also you don't need to be a sociopath to be either a criminal or a murderer. And you've only observed "self policing" bye ppl already being policed. So again retarded.
If your so mentally inept that you can't tell the difference between theft and tax you truly are a moron or did you think al those services you enjoyed should just be free?
liesandtricks 7 months ago
@liesandtricks What do you mean when you say that a person is "policed"? Do you mean that they don't kill people because it's against the law? I already addressed that, so I'll go ahead and assume that's not what you mean. How do the police stop people from killing each other?
"If your so mentally inept..."
I think that pretty much says it all.
PluralOfEverything 7 months ago
@PluralOfEverything
yes you did and i pointed out the flaws in it. That 1) there are plenty of people that don't obey the law and 2) that your example of all those people playing bye the rules of there own volition is actually another example of ppl being policed. Neither of which you have yet addressed. And the police does it bye attaching the threat of consequences to you actions.
Now are you gonna address the point or keep bitching?
liesandtricks 6 months ago
@liesandtricks 1) I agree. That was one of my points to you. 2) *facepalm* So you are saying that you're a sociopath. The threat of consequences by the police has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that most people don't kill anybody. Everyone in the united states who wants to kill somebody does it with no regard for the legal consequences, and a lot of them get away with it.
PluralOfEverything 6 months ago
@PluralOfEverything
1) if you realize this then why do you keep insisting these ppl can police them selves 2) No i'm saying you you don't have to be a sociopath to murder some one you stupid cunt how many time do i have to repeat my self for this to sink in? And is Murder the only form of crime there is? No. And you assertion that every one who ever wanted to kill some one did so regardless of the risk of getting caught is completely baseless.
liesandtricks 6 months ago
@liesandtricks 1.) I said they can police themselves as well as the law does. I did not say they would not continue to victimize each other. 2.) Why are you getting upset? Take a deep breath. We're just having a conversation here. I was just using murder as an example because we can both agree that it's wrong to do and also against the law. My assertion is not baseless because people actually do murder people despite the fact that it's against the law. Do I need to show you a news...
PluralOfEverything 6 months ago
@liesandtricks ...article?
PluralOfEverything 6 months ago
@PluralOfEverything
1) So all those ppl in jail would have some how put them selves in jail if there where no cops? Brilliant 2) because your either purposefully being dishonest or not bothering to read. because you'd rather talk about me being pissed then defend your dumb point. Also why would you think we agree on that?
-facepalm- The fact that ppl do murder despite the law does not mean that the law has never prevents ppl from murdering. it just means its doesn't work perfectly.
liesandtricks 6 months ago
@PluralOfEverything Atheism is a lack of belief in the existence of a god. Not even comparable to anarchy, which is a political view regarding the state as an undesirable concentration of power. Learn your facts before you say you believe in a political system.
WillGo7 7 months ago
@WillGo7 Anarchy is the absence of belief in the validity of government. The two are comparable in that way. I didn't say they were the same in all ways. Don't assume that I don't know "the facts" (whatever that means) just because you misunderstood what I said.
PluralOfEverything 7 months ago
@PluralOfEverything seeing how your on youtube, it's pretty safe to assume you're a scraggly white guy. Having said that, you do realize, in an anarchist society, your skull would probably end up as some 300 pound biker's new trophy after tossing your body into a ditch, right?
Government does not exist to tell you what to do, it exists to prevent people from taking advantage of the disadvantaged.
TheHomelessCripple 7 months ago
@TheHomelessCripple You can't possibly back up that conjecture. I think you've seen too many movies.
I agree, government doesn't exist to simply tell people what to do. It exists to force people to do what it wants them to do or forbid them from doing what it doesn't want them to do. It fails to prevent people from taking advantage of the disadvantaged. In fact, it engages in a lot of that itself. That is what it exists to do.
PluralOfEverything 7 months ago
@PluralOfEverything Actually yes i can "back up this conjecture". In this world it's survival of the fittest, eat or be eaten. In an anarchist society there is nothing stopping the assholes from being assholes. You compete for a girl, no one is going to stop the other guy from cutting off your head. You have a piece of land someone else want, what's stopping them from stabbing you in your sleep? Government levels the playing filed by protecting the rights of its people. There's no way around it.
TheHomelessCripple 7 months ago
@TheHomelessCripple How about people just not actually being as bad as you think they are? If you think people are so horrible, who do you think is in charge of governments? Yeah, people.
PluralOfEverything 7 months ago
@PluralOfEverything The problem is that real physical evidence exists for crises that cannot be solved locally. I take a view of the prisoner's dilemma... by always making the best choice for the individual, a collective will end up making the wrong choices overall. That's what government should be there for: to make the difficult and undesirable choices that will actually end up producing better returns for everyone on average.
puellanivis 7 months ago
@puellanivis I'm not convinced that the prisoner's dilemma reflects society. We are not isolated from each other. We can communicate. You have no idea what the "prisoners" will ultimately choose unless you know each of them personally. Using two hypothetical prisoners with purely logical motivations doesn't reflect reality any more than comparing society to a prison in which two suspects are isolated and unable to communicate with each other.
PluralOfEverything 7 months ago
@PluralOfEverything but the people don't have to be FORCEFULLY separated. As an example, there is a person in Maine with whom I have never talked to. He's perhaps buying a house. I also am buying a house. Our actions will both on a limited scale effect each other, but we don't communicate, we don't plan. We simply do what is in our own individual best interests. The assumption that "we communicate therefore we're not isolated" is false. We communicate with some, but are generally isolated.
puellanivis 7 months ago
@puellanivis Are you talking about the butterfly effect or something like that? You're going to have to come up with a better example than two people buying houses. I didn't assume that people can communicate. They really can, and it really means they're not isolated.
PluralOfEverything 7 months ago
@PluralOfEverything Again, yes, we do communicate with some people, but even if we take everyone I have ever communicated with, we would not compose the number of people that live in my city. YES we communicate, but we don't communicate with EVERYONE. In fact, government IS the form of communication people use to collaborate ideas and effect goals as a group. Same with corporations. It's still just people grouping together to make collective decisions instead of individual decisions.
puellanivis 7 months ago
@puellanivis Government should be a form of communication between the people in a society, but it isn't. If it was, then force would not be necessary. When you use violence, which I suppose could also be said to be a form of communication, you're no longer engaging in productive conversation. Sometimes it's necessary to use violence. I call these times self defense or the defense of others. There is no other acceptable way to use violence.
PluralOfEverything 7 months ago
@PluralOfEverything Government IS a form of communication, because MOST OF THE TIME VIOLENCE ISN'T NECESSARY NOR USED. Most people do the right thing. I assert: all violence is force, but not all force is violence. Now, assume your neighbor just stole your car. What do you do? It's not self defense nor defense of others. Preventing theft is defense of property. Recovering stolen chattel is restitution of property. Which of these two uses of force are permissible? Or would you let him keep it?
puellanivis 7 months ago
@PluralOfEverything
Hmmm. This does not seem like mixing categories to you? Theism is a belief in the existence of something, and statism, in this context, is a preference for how something should be organized.
Even if you were a theist, then you could still find it preferable to disobey the authority of that personnel god.
jeb31415 7 months ago
@jeb31415 Of course there is a difference between anarchy and atheism. I didn't say they are the same thing. I said that I see the two in a similar way, and I explained it. I am an anarchist for reasons similar to why I am an atheist, i.e. the absence of a reason to believe in government.
What is a personnel god?
PluralOfEverything 7 months ago
@PluralOfEverything
Sorry, I meant "personal" god. A god that is not concerned about human affairs and whether you act "morally" etc..
My point was that you were equivocating two different senses of the word "believe". One is a description and one is a prescription. The analogy seems muddled.
jeb31415 7 months ago
@jeb31415
Correction: "A god that IS concerned..."
jeb31415 7 months ago
@jeb31415 I wasn't saying that the two kinds of beliefs are similar. The reasons for withholding them are.
PluralOfEverything 7 months ago
Damn you, Kropotkin. Damn you and all your kind.
dreadpiratedan 7 months ago
@LatumWay - It's not really "anarchism", it's more free market anti-statism, but if you want to see what "anarcho-capitalists" think, check out a video series by a guy called "fringeelements", entitled "Anti-statism at light-speed" and watch all of the videos under the account "Foranemergentgov". Even if you don't agree with it, it's quite interesting, and it may change your mind on a few things and give you a bit of perspective.
xXMetalMeltdownXx 7 months ago
You're awesome. Nice attitude of “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” ...Voltaire never actually said that, but it's a good quote nonetheless.
progrockcoffee 7 months ago
Actually, I think you'll find that most of the people who are throwing chunks of the sidewalk through the front windows of the GAP are more apt to have read Kropotkin than your average progressive/liberal protestor.
deliciousmorton 7 months ago
should we toss some Molotov Cocktails?
Haradin32 7 months ago
Jacob, I sent you a PM last time about talking about anarchism. I'd be happy to discuss it with you as well, but you never got back to me.
FishofMuu 7 months ago
Anarchism, Statism, bleh
Purist social and political ideologies of this sort are dangerous and naive, the world isn't black and white it's a thousand shades of grey. Report anarchists to the police eh? Sounds a bit Orwellian.
Laughingblades 7 months ago
I saw someone who was standing next to someone who was saying nothing. They've both been reported.
The world is insane.
I think most of today's Anarchists are people who like the symbol, and quite possibly, punk music from the 70s.
TheOtherSide100 7 months ago
I'm an Anarchist and the terrorist anarchists aren't good examples of them no. My gripe is that they focus far too much on pointing out the flaws of society while the goal should be to take away peoples dependence on it. Should be building non-profit cooperative organizations that would make government and capitalism obsolete, but some think they would never allow that.
BaboonJihad 7 months ago
Fuck the police.
SAsgarters 7 months ago 2
@SAsgarters - I prefer Sting's solo stuff.
xXMetalMeltdownXx 7 months ago
Anarchism often tends to be mischaracterized. It is simply that the burden of proof is on the authority to demonstrate its legitimacy.
It's totally possible to be an anarchist and not even get into bullshitty futurism about what society should or would be like.
jacobromu 7 months ago
johny lydon is hereby on notice.
TheLummer66 7 months ago
Guess I'll start using "Meanwhile in Belarus..."
ronte246 7 months ago
That's cops for you.
EpifanesEuergetes 7 months ago
Anarchism, or rather Anarcho-syndicalism, is not necessarily a lack of a government. But rather a society with a decentralised 'bottom-up' government, wherein the economy is, in a sense, governed by voluntarily trade unions, and businesses are worker owned.
GravDuck 7 months ago 7
Oh noes! We must protect SecularNumanist from getting arrested! :( XD
fruitikay 7 months ago 2
Regarding the student protests, I have a question for anarchists. Why would you support continuing or aggravating a government deficit (which is spending that is borrowing backed by government force, essentially).
omgatheism 7 months ago
@omgatheism The point is for universal education and to attain this in the current system is through taxes, if the anarchists had it their way from the start money would be abolished along with the state so it would be pointless to have a 'deficit' in this sense.
Christ724 7 months ago
@Christ724 Ok fair enough, I understand it in that sense.
omgatheism 7 months ago
When I'm angry, my body shakes very rapidly and my face turns red. Same thing happens when i cute myself a nice piece of Penis.
ADDodger 7 months ago
Look out behind you it is Friday! Which is not as scary as a Monday in front of you.
Cheers Christine
christinepeace 7 months ago