As a Benedictine, I love the chant in the Gregorian form, but it can be complicated and difficult to chant. The use of a musical instrument to help the community stay on pitch is, IMHO, an act of fraternal charity. That way, everyone can more fully participate in the corporate prayer of the office. No one is left out. Peace.....Jordan OSB
They way an office is sung/prayed will vary from house to house depending on the talents of the monks and the personality of the community. Every Trappist monastery will do this office somewhat differently. The monks at Mt. Savior use a harp at compline. Since the class distinction was done away with (choir and lay religous), there is no longer an emphasis on being able to sing (stay on pitch). Many communities use some supportive musical accompaniment such as organ or guitar.
I went here in college and fell madly in love with compline ! it draws me into the arms of Christ at night. i am so glad you put this clip up here on youtube! thank you @sabin615! I think the guitar is absolutely perfect and the simple vocal harmonies are incredible...
@sabin615 I was there just a few weeks ago, and the compline prayers were the best part of my whole year. They just take down all your barriers, wash you with the Word, and bring such beautiful peace! <3
@WeepingStellaMaris So I take it you're a traditionalist. SSPX, perhaps? Sedevacantist, I assume, since Popes Paul VI, John Paul I, John Paul II, and Benedict XVI have said nothing against the Novus Ordo, even as a place has been made again for the Tridentine mass. Are you trolling for YouTube videos to diss? Or do you have a point you'd like to make civilly? Popping up on someone's YouTube and saying what they posted in good faith is disgusting is not the behavior of a good Christian.
@sabin615 I am no sedevacantist! But it is the truth. When I see something that is supposed to be Catholic, but is infested with Protestantism, such as doing away with Latin in exchange for the vulgar tongue, I cannot help but observe that this is indeed disgusting because it offends and saddens Our Lord.
@WeepingStellaMaris Not a sedevacantist, yet you assert you know better than the Pope whether it is acceptable to approach God in the Mass in a vulgar tongue or use the ordinary rather than the extraordinary form of the Mass. Interesting that it offends God when the Mass isn't in in Latin, since that was not the native language of Jesus. Jesus spoke Aramaic and might have prayed in Hebrew. If he knew a third language it would more likely have been Greek than Latin, but neither was native to him.
@sabin615 since Vatican the Second we have been faced with the hitherto incredible spectacle of a mass movement in reverse —a movement of Catholics towards Protestantism. It began with the caucus of modernist prelates and their "experts" who brought off a successful coup d’etat at the first session of the Council, by tearing up the authorized agenda and substituting their own program.
I have been actively listening for some 50 years to monastic chants representing chant traditions from all over the world. I have also heard the monks chant at New Melleray many times over the past 20 years and have even stayed at the monastery for three days all of the chant sessions (7 per day). I find the New Melleray chants very unique. I can think of no other similar chant traditions. Yes, they are "amateurs" -the pitch can vary, the monks don't know Latin, but the chants deeply inspire.
I have been actively listening for some 50 years to monastic chants representing chant traditions from all over the world. I have also heard the monks chant at New Melleray many times over the past 20 years and have even stayed at the monastery for three days all of the chant sessions (7 per day). I find the New Melleray chants very unique. I can think of no other similar chant traditions. Yes, they are "amateurs" -the pitch can vary, the monks don't know Latin, but the chants deeply inspire.
i spent a month on Mount Equinox at the Charterhouse of the Transfiguration Carthusian monastery near Arlington, VT. It would have been beneficial if i were fluent in Latin, as that is the ONLY language used in their Liturgy of the Hours.
What language is the beginning? I only understood Te lucis ante terminum. very disturbing; the music is too jumpy, remember you are supposed to go to bed after compline, music has to have a calming effect on the spirit.
@sabin615 ....they are here in the east. very happy and not in the same house, which is probably for the best since their personalities are quite different. once is extremely outgoing and the other rather shy at
@oblatusosb Everything is in English except for the hymn "Te lucis ante terminum" and the Marian antiphon "Salve Regina." I am sorry you did not get the experience you expected from this video. I do not understand what you mean about this music being jumpy. But I agree that the music of compline should be calming as taken in by the ear.
@oblatusosb New Melleray Abbey is the only monastic setting in which I have personally experienced the full Liturgy of the Hours. I find their rendition of Compline very soothing. But I also love very much the Benedictine version of Ampleforth Abbey in the UK. Is it the guitar treatment you find less than ideal at New Melleray?
@sabin615 personally I feel that you are very lucky to have 2 brothers dedicated to God, contemplation and prayer; that said, I feel that the divine service should be just that: divine; and my concept of it is only in the latin tongue that it was born and ment to be. All this bending to needs of our miserable century, adapting the divine liturgy to our times is to me nonsense and almost heretical. Almsot every Benedictine monastery have adopted the principle of change, and still no vocations.
@oblatusosb - Actually it is petemd3 who commented that he has the two brothers who are Trappist priests. My best friend is a Trappist monk at New Melleray Abbey.
I understand as a matter of tradition continuing with the Latin liturgies. I like the sound of Latin. But I also value liturgy that can actually be taken in through the ear for its intended meaning. Language does not become divine by being separated from comprehension of the ordinary person.
@sabin615 - May I ask who he is? I was a Postulant at New Melleray Abbey from 2009 till 2010.
I agree with your statement about languages. I attend Mass in English eventhough it's not my native language, but I adopted English as my prayer language. I talk to God in English and hear Him speak to me in English. I like English, Latin but also French as a Liturgical language. God understands all languages and is not displeased at all if Mass is not said in Latin.
I also like Liturgy in Italian, Aramaic and Slavonic.
The statement someone made about Liturgy in the vernacular, that is similar to Protestants who insist that the true version of the Bible is the King James Version. And yet, the Bible was written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek and was compiled by monks in Latin.
All languages and dialects are pleasing to God. God is the creator of all, He is omnipresent and transcends time, space or any human language!
@oblatusosb - @oblatusosb - In short, I do not believe there is the slightest link whatsoever between the language a liturgy is translated to or created in and whether the liturgy is or those chanting it are heretical. Heresy is a matter of content not of language.
As for whether vernacular liturgical interpretations hinder vocations, that may or may not be true of the Mass (though I thoroughly doubt it), but It strains credibility that it is true of the Liturgy of the Hours.
As a Benedictine, I love the chant in the Gregorian form, but it can be complicated and difficult to chant. The use of a musical instrument to help the community stay on pitch is, IMHO, an act of fraternal charity. That way, everyone can more fully participate in the corporate prayer of the office. No one is left out. Peace.....Jordan OSB
wjayhale 1 month ago
They way an office is sung/prayed will vary from house to house depending on the talents of the monks and the personality of the community. Every Trappist monastery will do this office somewhat differently. The monks at Mt. Savior use a harp at compline. Since the class distinction was done away with (choir and lay religous), there is no longer an emphasis on being able to sing (stay on pitch). Many communities use some supportive musical accompaniment such as organ or guitar.
wjayhale 1 month ago
I went here in college and fell madly in love with compline ! it draws me into the arms of Christ at night. i am so glad you put this clip up here on youtube! thank you @sabin615! I think the guitar is absolutely perfect and the simple vocal harmonies are incredible...
DaneEstok 8 months ago
The guitar is horrible! It just does not work here!
MBenoit1964 8 months ago
@MBenoit1964 Thanks for sharing your opinion. I disagree, of course. :)
sabin615 8 months ago
@sabin615 I was there just a few weeks ago, and the compline prayers were the best part of my whole year. They just take down all your barriers, wash you with the Word, and bring such beautiful peace! <3
RGconductor 1 month ago
This is not Compline. This is a disgusting Novus ordo fabrication. This is disgusting.
WeepingStellaMaris 10 months ago
@WeepingStellaMaris I take it you have an opinion on this that you would like to share?
Whether or not it is a form of Compline that you want to be present for, it is Compline.
sabin615 10 months ago 2
@sabin615 Just like the Novus Ordo Mass is a disgusting abomination Mass, so this is a disgusting abomination Compline.
WeepingStellaMaris 10 months ago
@WeepingStellaMaris So I take it you're a traditionalist. SSPX, perhaps? Sedevacantist, I assume, since Popes Paul VI, John Paul I, John Paul II, and Benedict XVI have said nothing against the Novus Ordo, even as a place has been made again for the Tridentine mass. Are you trolling for YouTube videos to diss? Or do you have a point you'd like to make civilly? Popping up on someone's YouTube and saying what they posted in good faith is disgusting is not the behavior of a good Christian.
sabin615 10 months ago
@sabin615 I am no sedevacantist! But it is the truth. When I see something that is supposed to be Catholic, but is infested with Protestantism, such as doing away with Latin in exchange for the vulgar tongue, I cannot help but observe that this is indeed disgusting because it offends and saddens Our Lord.
WeepingStellaMaris 10 months ago
@WeepingStellaMaris Not a sedevacantist, yet you assert you know better than the Pope whether it is acceptable to approach God in the Mass in a vulgar tongue or use the ordinary rather than the extraordinary form of the Mass. Interesting that it offends God when the Mass isn't in in Latin, since that was not the native language of Jesus. Jesus spoke Aramaic and might have prayed in Hebrew. If he knew a third language it would more likely have been Greek than Latin, but neither was native to him.
sabin615 10 months ago 2
@sabin615 since Vatican the Second we have been faced with the hitherto incredible spectacle of a mass movement in reverse —a movement of Catholics towards Protestantism. It began with the caucus of modernist prelates and their "experts" who brought off a successful coup d’etat at the first session of the Council, by tearing up the authorized agenda and substituting their own program.
WeepingStellaMaris 10 months ago
I have been actively listening for some 50 years to monastic chants representing chant traditions from all over the world. I have also heard the monks chant at New Melleray many times over the past 20 years and have even stayed at the monastery for three days all of the chant sessions (7 per day). I find the New Melleray chants very unique. I can think of no other similar chant traditions. Yes, they are "amateurs" -the pitch can vary, the monks don't know Latin, but the chants deeply inspire.
patrickhazell 11 months ago
I have been actively listening for some 50 years to monastic chants representing chant traditions from all over the world. I have also heard the monks chant at New Melleray many times over the past 20 years and have even stayed at the monastery for three days all of the chant sessions (7 per day). I find the New Melleray chants very unique. I can think of no other similar chant traditions. Yes, they are "amateurs" -the pitch can vary, the monks don't know Latin, but the chants deeply inspire.
patrickhazell 11 months ago
i spent a month on Mount Equinox at the Charterhouse of the Transfiguration Carthusian monastery near Arlington, VT. It would have been beneficial if i were fluent in Latin, as that is the ONLY language used in their Liturgy of the Hours.
tommerrigan1956 11 months ago
Of all the modern liturgical interpretations, their compline is one of the most moving I've heard. And a well done video.
When I die, Into the ground I will go in one of their coffins.
Miken9000 1 year ago
What language is the beginning? I only understood Te lucis ante terminum. very disturbing; the music is too jumpy, remember you are supposed to go to bed after compline, music has to have a calming effect on the spirit.
oblatusosb 1 year ago
@oblatusosb...go to a trappist monastery and experience compline in person. it is truly spellbinding and NOT
too jumpy. add to this the fact that the monks have been up since 3am...most are ready for bed long before
the actual singing of compline and to end with the Salve Regina is perfection in and of itself.
petemd3 1 year ago
@petemd3 Maybe you didnt notice the meaning of my name Oblatus OSB.
oblatusosb 1 year ago
@oblatusosb ....i did...hence the need to correct the ignorant statement that you made regarding the cistercian monks.
petemd3 1 year ago
@oblatusosb ...p.s...i speak from experience...two of my brothers are trappist priests.
petemd3 1 year ago
@petemd3 lucky guy! my statement was not ignorant at all; I was just questioning that part of the "divine service".
Pax my friend.
oblatusosb 1 year ago
@petemd3 - Which monastery or monasteries are your brothers the Fathers at, Pete?
sabin615 1 year ago
@sabin615 ....they are here in the east. very happy and not in the same house, which is probably for the best since their personalities are quite different. once is extremely outgoing and the other rather shy at
first meeting. thankyou for asking. peter
petemd3 1 year ago
@petemd3
Getsemane or Berryville?
(I'm truly interested to know, I might know them. I am a former Postulant at New Melleray Abbey)
apayem 9 months ago
@oblatusosb Everything is in English except for the hymn "Te lucis ante terminum" and the Marian antiphon "Salve Regina." I am sorry you did not get the experience you expected from this video. I do not understand what you mean about this music being jumpy. But I agree that the music of compline should be calming as taken in by the ear.
sabin615 1 year ago
@oblatusosb New Melleray Abbey is the only monastic setting in which I have personally experienced the full Liturgy of the Hours. I find their rendition of Compline very soothing. But I also love very much the Benedictine version of Ampleforth Abbey in the UK. Is it the guitar treatment you find less than ideal at New Melleray?
sabin615 1 year ago
@sabin615 personally I feel that you are very lucky to have 2 brothers dedicated to God, contemplation and prayer; that said, I feel that the divine service should be just that: divine; and my concept of it is only in the latin tongue that it was born and ment to be. All this bending to needs of our miserable century, adapting the divine liturgy to our times is to me nonsense and almost heretical. Almsot every Benedictine monastery have adopted the principle of change, and still no vocations.
oblatusosb 1 year ago
@oblatusosb - Actually it is petemd3 who commented that he has the two brothers who are Trappist priests. My best friend is a Trappist monk at New Melleray Abbey.
I understand as a matter of tradition continuing with the Latin liturgies. I like the sound of Latin. But I also value liturgy that can actually be taken in through the ear for its intended meaning. Language does not become divine by being separated from comprehension of the ordinary person.
sabin615 1 year ago
@sabin615 - May I ask who he is? I was a Postulant at New Melleray Abbey from 2009 till 2010.
I agree with your statement about languages. I attend Mass in English eventhough it's not my native language, but I adopted English as my prayer language. I talk to God in English and hear Him speak to me in English. I like English, Latin but also French as a Liturgical language. God understands all languages and is not displeased at all if Mass is not said in Latin.
apayem 9 months ago
@apayem
I also like Liturgy in Italian, Aramaic and Slavonic.
The statement someone made about Liturgy in the vernacular, that is similar to Protestants who insist that the true version of the Bible is the King James Version. And yet, the Bible was written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek and was compiled by monks in Latin.
All languages and dialects are pleasing to God. God is the creator of all, He is omnipresent and transcends time, space or any human language!
apayem 9 months ago
@apayem Brother Michael is the name my friend is known by in the Abbey.
sabin615 8 months ago
@oblatusosb - @oblatusosb - In short, I do not believe there is the slightest link whatsoever between the language a liturgy is translated to or created in and whether the liturgy is or those chanting it are heretical. Heresy is a matter of content not of language.
As for whether vernacular liturgical interpretations hinder vocations, that may or may not be true of the Mass (though I thoroughly doubt it), but It strains credibility that it is true of the Liturgy of the Hours.
sabin615 1 year ago
@sabin615 - I agree 100% with this statement of yours.
God bless!
apayem 9 months ago