KOBE IS A GREAT, NO DOUBT BUT HE GOT HIS ENTIRE GAME FROM JORDAN. KOBE EVEN ADMITS THIS, HE SAYS I FASHIONED MY GAME AFTER HIM, IT IS BECAUSE OF HIS GAME THAT I AM THIS WAY. KOBE GETS CREDIT FOR PUTTING THAT BALL IN THE BASKET EVERY NIGHT, JORDAN ISN'T DOING THAT FOR HIM. IF KOBE ISN'T FACING THE DEFENSIVE SCHEMES THAT JORDAN USED TO FACE IT'S NOT HIS FAULT, IT WAS SO ROUGH BACK THEN THAT'S WHY THEY GOT RID OF HAND CHECKING. CHICAGO AND THE KNICKS AND CHICAGO AND THE PISTONS DEFINE THAT ERA!
Nowhere in my comment did I state anything about Kobe Bean Bryant. Its you MJ worshipers who have to bring up & blast Kobe to somehow win an argument. Did Michael freakin Jordan have numerous ankle injuries, 3 - I repeat 3 knee surgeries, an arthritic shooting finger, torn ligament in his shooting wrist for which he takes numbing injections before every game, be 33 years old- AND STILL average right under 30 ppg??? I DONT THINK SO. Lets keep the Kobe / MJ comparisons away.
@NoKittyKity LMFAOO!!! kobe has been faking injuires for years. Jordan in 98 played with torn tendons/ligaments in his shooting fingers.. also played with a busted knee the same season, a screwed up knuckle..and this is one of just many seasons he played with injuries, but bakc then it was the norm to do so..the saying was if your on the court your good enough to go, players used to have to hide their injurys as guys would target them..the game was a mans game back then.
@NoKittyKity Kobe has no torn ligaments he has a lil injury which recoveirng tiem was reported to be ''2 weeks'' if no surgery is required its not serious whatsoever..and it dosent appear to stop him jacking shot after shot. I will show you a real wrist injury right now and what happens with a real wrist injury.
@NoKittyKity ''In the next season, Ewing's career almost came to an end due to an injury. On January 12, 1998, in a game against the Milwaukee Bucks at the Bradley Center, Ewing was fouled by Andrew Lang while attempting a dunk.
@NoKittyKity He(Ewing) then fell to the court hard and landed on his wrist, breaking it, dislocating the bone, and tearing ligaments. The injury was so severe that it required immediate surgery to prevent nerve damage. Ewing, who had only missed 20 games in the previous ten seasons, missed the remaining 56 games of the season.
@NoKittyKity Unlike you Kobetards we dont use injury excuses.. if a guy is laced up hes good to go. MJ whos career you obviously did not witness live, constantly played through injuries.. hell in his 2nd season he stupidly rushed coming back from a broken foot before fully recovering. So get outta here with that weak wrist injury shit.. Mj 93 played with a wrist brace most the year because of busted ligaments in his wrist, he then re injured it vs Cavs in 93 playoffs.
Michael Jordan avg 20 pts per game on 41% fg and 18% 3 pt fg. And this wasnt in "todays" game. It was 11 years ago buddy. Anyone can avg 20 ppg if they chunk up enough shots. 41% is busch league. Players not in the nba 11 years ago? Derrick Rose, Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, Dwight Howard, Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant. All players who have a career ppg of 25 or better. Michael Jordan would just be lost in the mix.
@NoKittyKity Yeah those perimeter guys avg so many pts cuz of the pathetic rules changes of takin away handcheckin & addin a D3Key rule of preventin bigs to camp in the paint. Do u realize many coaches such as Phil Jackson, Larry Brown, etc have said Jordan would avg more pts in today's game than he did in his own era. I know way more basketball & the history of the game than u ever will. U act as if every player is puttin up super numbers & no one in the league is puttin up crappy numbers.
@hangtime23ful whats funny is Ehlo was more athletic taller bigger than Hinrich you name it.. he was known as a very good defender.. yet Jordan destroyed him.. while Hinrich has shut Kobe down how many times? lol difference is Jordan torched whoever you put infront of him any player any defense he torched em' ..Kobetards seem to overlook that when MJ faced great players and teams his game went to another level.. go ask Clyde drexler LOL
@NoKittyKity Yeah & these r all the guys in Jordan's era when he played. Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, Charles Barkley, John Stockton, Karl Malone, Moses Malone, Patrick Ewing, 90s Shaquille O'Neal, Isiah Thomas, Penny Hardaway, Reggie Miller, Mitch Richmond, Jow Dumars, Clyde Drexler, Dominique Wilkins, Kevin McHale, Robert Parish, etc.
@NoKittyKity derrick rose? heard of Magic Johnson..Isiah Thomas? Dwade.. heard of Clyde Drexler? Dwight Howard? lmaoooo heard of Kareem Hakeem Shaq Moses Robinson? Melo.. heard of Bernard King? Durant.. ever heard of Iceman or Worthy..Dantley? Agguire? .. LeBron.. ever heard of Dominique Wilkins Larry Bird prime pre injury Grant Hill Penny Hardaway? shit I could go on but theres no reason to
Don't tell me what I know, if you dont know me. I know who Craig fucking Ehlo is, and Craig fucking Ehlo wouldn't be allowed to step 20 feet near an NBA court today. His career avg of 8 pts 3 rebs and 2 ast is pathetic and has a total of 0 all-star appearances and 0 NBA defensive team. And about his suppossive magical defense, he avg 1.1 steal per game. And your talking about him guarding Jordan? Oh my goodness, such talent. You are the ones who need to learn your shit.
@NoKittyKity Hahahaha u wanna explain to me y Kirk Hinrich has had games of shuttin down Kobe? Is he some great talent? 0 defensive teams, 1.2 steals a game? Btw idiot stls doesn't always define a good defensive if u actually knew basketball. Bruce Bowen avg'd .8 stls a game for his entire but he is one of the best perimeter defenders ever. Dude how old was Jordan when he was in this era 39-40 yrs of age instein. U rarely ever see 40 yr old even play yet he avg'd 20+ppg.
@NoKittyKity child please your clearly have a lot to learn about basketball. Bringing up stats will only hurt whatever weak argument you have. I guess Bruce Bowen is a weak defender then?
@NoKittyKity ''I know who Craig fucking Ehlo is, and Craig fucking Ehlo wouldn't be allowed to step 20 feet near an NBA court today.'' so then why is it that a guy by the name of Kirk Hinrich who is less athletic than Ehlo and close to 3-4 inches shorter than Ehlo.. able to shutdown Kobe so many times? when he was a Bull lol I have all the games and stats listed so try me and I will post you some.
Look at the athletes of today and look at what is being shown here. Cmon guys, give me a break. None of those Cleveland players would have a right to step near a basketball court today. If you think otherwise, you need to start watching more sports. MJ was the greatest....of his time. Not of this time.
@NoKittyKitty Couldnt exspect any less from a Kobetard. So Larry Nance one of the most athletic power forwards of all time could not step foot on a court today? The big center Brad who would dwarf a lot of the big men today would not step foot on a court today? Mark Price whos game is a mirror of Steve Nash would not step foot on todays courts?
A 40 yr old MJ avg'd 23/4/4 "in this time", so what do U think would happen if a prime MJ played in a era that has rules that FAVORS perimeter guys?
U Y2K kids are utter morons!
You're just ignorant & stupid enough to think that players then can't compete now, when there are LESSER players than them in terms of physical ability & skill in the league RIGHT NOW, who are are considered "elite"!
Grow up U dumb f*ck!
And go get some perspective on the game B4 trying to elaborate on it!
@NoKittyKitty Craig Ehlo a great defender who was 6ft 5 would not step foot on a court today when a guy like Kirk Hinrich who is not as athletic as Ehlo was aswell Hinrich is 6ft2 or under and has consistently shutdown Kobe Bryant game after game during his DAYS as a Bull. You clearly do not know sports or watch sports, before talking such mess how about educating yourself on a history of players you seem to know so little about.
@NoKittyKitty Larry Nance & Ron Harper aren't athletes to u then? I guess if athleticsm is what its all about then how in the world r Duncan & Dirk (who don't have an athletic bone in their body) superstars in this league & r 2 of the top 3 PFs of this era? Btw kitty bein athletic isn't the only thing about basketball. U made a typical unknowledgeable ignorant comment that has been debunked countless times. This cavs team would easily be a title contendin threat today.
@NoKittyKitty I noticed ur other dumb comment on a Jordan vid that he never had to deal with knee problems. What i really don't undertsand is y idiots like u say stuff like that when u don't even research & learn some frickin nba history. Jordan had tendonitis in his left knee in the 91 season, & then the same but with both knees in 98 at age 35. Kids like u really to need to learn a lot about the game & its history.
@dcn8iv no doubt fanboy you're a butthurt idiot as you just said, whos flawed logic was exposed by many posters on here.. guess you will have to stop posting for that to happen ..Period!
Top Ten Of All-Time 1. Larry Bird 2. Bill Russell 3. Oscar Robertson 4. Lou Alcindor 5. Jerry West 6. Wilt Chamberlain 7. Shaq 8. John Stockton 9. Kevin Garnett 10. Scottie Pippen
Since stats seem to be the measure of a man in these threads, I'd like to salute the greatest player of all time. Wilt Chamberlain!!!!!! Thank you thank you. No applause needed!!! LOL. With Big O coming in a close 2nd.
Since U seem to not understand what certain stats are telling U, let me make it plain & simple for U.
PER accounts for one's overall contribution (pts, rebs, asts, blks, stls, FG% etc.) & impact on the floor. Typically forwards & centers consistently have the BEST PER seasons, but guess who's #1 All Time and has 4 of the Top 7 seasons? And he's a guard..
Guess who's finished #1 7x and in the Top 2 10x in this area?
I think even you're smart enough to figure this out..
U mentioned Wilt, but MJ at his peak shot 53%, which is BETTER than what Wilt shot during his 1st 6 seasons. In fact Wilt's FG% didn't increase until his volume of shots came WAY down. He shot 54% on 25 shots a game, MJ shot 53.5% at 24 shots a game..virtually identical.
When it comes to single game records, Wilt's the man. But when it comes to "career production", especially in the playoffs, NOBODY even COMES CLOSE to MJ..
there seems to be a lot of idiots here! never once did i say Kob was better than MJ! Not one time! For all you people who think the chasm is far apart thats your opinion and just like assholes, everyone has one! MJ is the greatest wing player and I have him and Kareem tied for the best ever. If you don't like my opinion, fine, but y'all better stop talking sh_t to me! Phuckn internet gansters! phuck y'all!
"For all you people who think the chasm is far apart thats your opinion"
Oh really?
Well when looking at the Top 50 seasons in terms of "wins produced" by 2-guards since the '78 season, the Top 7 slots are held by MJ. Kobe’s BEST season doesn’t appear #27 LOL!! In fact he ONLY appears 3x on the ENTIRE list...MJ appears 10x, and has 8 of the Top 20 seasons LOL!!
I'd say that's a HUGE difference between them LOL!!
These are FACTS regarding how much BETTER MJ is than him, not opinions..
We did get to see what a young, pre-prime Kobe did against MVP Jordan in 97 and 98... MJ is better but the margin isn't as great as his sycophants proclaim... Kob has better handles, tricks, and long range shot. MJ had bigger hands, more athleticism, and finished better at the rim... Easily 1 and 1A... Kob needs 7 rings to be MJ's equal, though they are on the same plain... MJ fans shouldn't feel threatened by Kob but should embrace him as Mike's remix!
@itsokayright If we go solely by statistics that would place Oscar Robertson, Wilt Chamberlain, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar ahead of Jordan... Oscar was worth more points to a team night in and night out. Wilt and MJ scored on avg the same amount but Wilt has the higher percentage, lead the NBA in assists from the center position and gave you 23 boards per game. Kareem only had the most MVP's ever, won the same number of rings as MJ, and only scored more buckets than anyone ever...
@dcn8iv ''Kareem only had the most MVP's ever, won the same number of rings as MJ, and only scored more buckets than anyone ever... '' does Kareem have 6 finals mvps and the leader of all his championships? 10 scoring titles? Jordan has the highest ppg career average of alltime..Jordan also holds the highest playoff ppg average of alltime.. non of those guys have acomplished the overall set of achievements MJ has.
Your comments are so laughable & easily picked apart (as U see others have done on here), that even a novice NBA fan could do so.
Making dumb comments like "MJ is better but the margin [isn't as great] as his sycophants proclaim", as well as "Kobe needs 7 rings to be MJ's equal", only shows how incredibly immature & the depths of your ignorance regarding this subject matter.
I suggest U go do some research on their individual accomplishments & seasonal output to see how silly U sound..
Think about it. Jordan did not even win championships during the 1980s, yet people REFUSE to compare 80s Jordan to mid-90s Jordan.
If comparing 1996 Jordan to 1991 Jordan is a complete insult, how do you think fans feel about the comparisons between Kobe and Jordan?
Seriously, in 1997-1998, Jordan almost exclusively shot fade away jumpers. A Jordan that averages under 50% field goals is not prime Jordan. In school, my friends REFUSED to accept the new 1996 MJ (back then.)
@dcn8iv ''We did get to see what a young, pre-prime Kobe did against MVP Jordan in 97 and 98'' really you mean and old 34-35 year old MJ dropping 36 in 3quarters while sitting out teh 4th aurter of a blowout game in Chicago? ..all is it the all star game of a ''35 year old'' MJ schooling Kobe on numerous occasions.. LOL get outta here man.
@falkner23... my friend, its all age and experience really.... go look at a more mature kobe (still not even in his prime) drop 55 on the mjs wizards in 2003 (i believe the year was coulda been 02)... yes mj was 39 or 40 but just goes to sho that comparing kobe in 1998 (only his sophmore year) to MJ in 1998 isnt really fair lol
@dcn8iv You can argue MJ/Kobe all you want. Bird trumps both of them. But I will say that only an idiot would say if Kobe gets X rings he's MJ's equal. That' s retard talk brought to you by the corporate media. Kobe will never be MJ's equal.
@FavreianVengeance lol no man Im not afraid to display the ''cheating'' as you put it. Most player/game highlight videos on youtube do not include freethrows.. it's just a short highlight package showing the made field goals.
@falkner23 That's cool I guess__ If that's your style, that's your style. But my guess would be if you showed the fouls, you'd see a lot of cheap fouls for a guy to get 23 FTAs.
@fullybuiltcivic1... Even Phil Jackson said. Kobe never reached MJ;s percentage... MJ had many games scoring more than 50 with more than 50%.. Kobe could never even get close to that. Kobe's biggest rival is lebron. thats all. but first, lebron must become the leader he thinks he is becaise Wade is way more effective than he is in Miami, Would be great to watch though, Miami against Lakers.... Afetr the game MJ can teach basketball Kobe and lebron starting with simple lay ups...
@fullybuiltcivic1.. exactly.. MJ worked hard in 80's to earn everything bit by bit. When he reached his prime no one could stop him. But he wasnt like Kobe or Lebron. He was the leader of the team already and didnt switch teams like lebron to becoem champions. Horace Grant was never awesomely big in NBA but still that team WON and that was BEFORE Rodman. Pippen also same with MJ started in 80 's and EARNED it. Kobe will never be able to do anything by leading the team
@fullybuiltcivic1... KOBE is GREAT. but he is overrated in a way that he won the championships when hard work was done by others like SHAQ and GASOL. This year, Gasol choked and Kobe couldnt save the ship from sinking. Jordan never let any of his teams sank. No matter how hard the task was, He grabbed the ball and made sure tas was done properly. Kobe and Lebron do NOT possess this at all. We all saw how lebron choked this year like a little queen.
Jordan has more titles. Jordan has more rebounds, points,blocks and assists per game. Jordan was named NBA all-star more times. He also won the defensive player of the year in '88. He can DUNK from the FREE THROW LINE. nuff said
Kobe is the best all time if jordan played in kobes era he might have 1 or 2 rings the nba as whole was horrible in jordans era thats y everyone was cryin when he was bout to retire bc no one to carry the nba. the players he played against werent nearly as good as ppl kobe played against just look at the vids lol and kobes 81 is best game all time!!! better than wilts 100 against small white guys that couldnt jump! he wouldnt drop 50 if in this current nba in a game!
@TheRichboy301 Kobe's 81 was against the Toronto Raptors, one of the worst defensive teams in the league. Kobe only has five "rings" because of Shaq and Gasol. Kobe was a sidekick for the first three rings to Shaq. After Shaq was driven out of LA by Kobe, Kobe couldn't take the lakers anywhere. It wasn't until Gasol was acquired that the Lakers made it back to the finals. If kobe played in jordan's era, he wouldn't have any rings. If Michael played today, he would OWN Kobe's overrated ass.
@deadlyshooter2031 ILL go even further to say that kobe needed Gasol but Gasol damn sure needed kobe and actually kobe made gasol into a better player and gasol said that countless times. And just so you know NOBODY wins by themself. Take away pippen and rodman you can kiss jordans rings goodbye. Take away shaq and gasol you can kiss kobes rings goodbye. This is Basketball NOT TENNIS you need a team to win. Both kobe and Mj needed help. Mj was drafted in 80's and didnt start winning till the 90s
@deadlyshooter2031 ILL close by saying YES Michael Jordan is the better player and YES he is the greatest of all time EASILY. But Kobe Bryant overrated? lol somebody teach this guy basketball if he stands by that statement.
@fullybuiltcivic1 I need to learn about basketball? Anybody who has watched basketball and is unbiased will tell you that Kobe is overrated. He gets all of the credit for his 5 "rings". Shaq didn't win those first 3 championships by himself but he was without question the leader of those Laker teams. Where was Kobe in game 7 of the 2010 finals (6-24)? Gasol dominated in that series. Where was Kobe against the mavericks this year? Kobe shoots 40% in the finals for his career. He is overrated.
@Gangstamiic i liked your comment by mistake...Jordan is a great player but you can say nothing about kobe coz he scored 81...praise jordan not diss kobe...i praise them both
@NumriNente 81 against the raptors, one of the worst defensive teams in the league. Where were his 81 points in 2008 when the lakers were being blown out by 39 or this year against the mavs. The lakers were swept. Kobe had 17 in the final 2 games, losing the final game by 36. Kobe=overrated.
@deadlyshooter2031 Michael jordan is the greatest to ever play easily. But Kobe Bryant overrated makes you sound like you know no basketball what so ever. Michael has been QUOTED saying kobe bryant is a Great player many times and has said kobe was the best in his ERA. kobe is 6 on the all time scoring list and if u even get in the top 10 in the category immediately says your not overrated. I will say he was sidekick to shaq but if your implying gasol is the reason for kobes las 2 go fly a kite
what's with this page using the word HOMER?? like did blackadam told you that this word is in or something? I mean I don't even know that term.. it's like 60s shit.. who invented that? Moses? if you wanna diss somebody don't call em Kobe homer! cause anybody would just laugh the shit out of it!
and where's blackadam? oh that'[s right I sent him a personal message and scared the shit out of him! so don't diss if you don't wanna get owned!
@2IAN4 The only reason y Phil Jackson said Kobe has better skills is cuz someone asked em that in 2008 & he's still coachin em so he didn't want to harm his relationship with Kobe. But in 2007 he said Jordan would avg 45ppg in today's game, honestly think about that if Phil Jackson TRULY thought Kobe has better skills y would he say Jordan would avg 45ppg today? Didn't u even watch that whole vid? Phil hesitated to answer the question then he went to say how much Jordan is better at this & that.
@2IAN4 Jordan mainly became a jump shooter since 93 still the end of his career. Ur the one that needs to watch more Jordan games cuz he shot mid range jumpers as much Kobe.
@hangtime23ful oh he became a jump shooter in the end of his career? that explains the FG%! thank you faggot! kobe's been a jump shooter his entire career and he doesn't have to develop his threes cause it's already there.. his jumpshot is already there..
Phil: the weakest part of mj's game was his jumpshot, and he practiced and practiced...
@2IAN4 Again on the Jordan Kobe thing, the fact is when Jordan relied on his jump shot from 93-98 his fg% is still better then Kobe's. Also Jordan has more fg attempts pg then Kobe & the more u shoot the more natural it is for ur fg% to go down.
@hangtime23ful well kobe has always rely in his jumpshot even before, it's not like he has to improve it in anyway..
"Jordan has more fg attempts pg" well does this END the debate of who's the bigger ballhog? cause all you Mj fans keep gloating about scores and shit.. yet you won't concede that he is the biggest ballhog in NBA history! which he is.. apparently a 6apg or more justifies the fg attempt to you.
@2IAN4 Kobe doesn't have to improve his jump shot? HE NEVER MADE 47% OF HIS OWN SHOTS FROM THE FRICKIN FIELD IDIOT NOT 1 SEASON. I'm sorry if u can't explain to me how Kobe's a better mid range shooter. Ur extremely bias towards Kobe & u just want Kobe to have something > Jordan. Give it up Kobe homer Jordan is a better mid range shooter. Its more valuable to have cuz he's smarter, smarter with his shot selections. Kobe wastes his time shootin stupid questionable shots. More Valuable = Better.
@hangtime23ful dude the freakin field is so broad dumbass!
if you drive more of course your FG% is higher! doesn't mean you're a better jumpshooter! does that even register or make sense in your moronic mind!
LOL!! are we playing the 'bad shots' thing.. no skill guys like you call it bad shots cause it seems hard to do! faggot! if it goes in it's in.. better perimeter? If "Mj rely on his jumpshot in the late seasons and kobe's always been a jumpshooter! then the the math! IDIOT!
@2IAN4 Jordan 6 seasons over 50% from the field, Kobe never had 1 season up to 47%. Do that math retard. Same position, same height, same type of game, same triangle offense with Phil Jackson & Tex Winters who said Jordan's a better shooter but of course u keep ignorin that. I also stated that just cuz u shoot more doesn't make u a better shooter. Jordan's shoots more then Kobe & the more u shoot the more natural it is for ur fg% to go down.
But kobe is has better OVERALL BASKETBALL SKILLS like PHIL SAID!? but you keep ignoring that...
why you keep on stating the FG%? MJ HAS BETTER FG% that's not a secret! but to say that Mj is better in perimter just because of FG%?? you gotta be kidding me..
@2IAN4 PhIl Jackson never said the weakest part of Jordan's game is his jump shot, now ur just so desperate that ur lying to us. Do u have a quote or vid of Phil Jackson sayin that about Jordan? EXACTLY u don't stupid kid so quit ur BS & accept reality. We get r quotes from articles so tell us were makin stuff up.
@hangtime23ful YOU REALLY NEED A VIDEO TO KNOW IF MJ WAS A SLASHER EARLY IN HIS CAREER!? I THOUGHT YOU KNOW MJ SO MUCH DICKHEAD! IT'S NOT THE ACTUAL QUOTE, BUT I REMEMBER PHIL SAYING MJ MASTERED THE JUMPSHOT AND HIS DEFENSE CAUSE THAT WAS CRITICIZED EARLY IN HIS CAREER.. TO THOSE WHO'VE ACTUALLY WATCHED MJ, THEY KNOW!
I THINK I'LL REPLY TO BLACKADAM FOR NOW!
YOU'RE NOT CREDIBLE IN ANY WAY.. BLACK ADAM IS IN HIS 80 OR SOMETHING.. THAT GUY PROBABLY SAW WILT PLAYED LIVE.. SO RUN ALONG FAG! LOL!!
@2IAN4 Again quit actin like Kobe never drives to the basket or shoots short range jumpers. If u drive more then ur fg% will be higher? Jordan's fg% is a lil too much higher then Kobe's wouldn'tu say? Kobe's never made half of his shots inside the arcin 1 season so that takes away all the 3pt shots. Jordan at his peak was makin 54-55% of his shots from inside the arc. & makin slightly more then half of his shots inside the arc when he relied on his jump shot the most.
@hangtime23ful "Again quit actin like Kobe never drives to the basket or shoots short range jumpers." did i say he never drive or shoot short jumpers? i said that he doesn't drive as much as mj, and if FG% is your only reason for GOAT them you gotta be kidding me!
you do know most of the players before have high FG% right? cause it was so 1 on 1 oriented..
and pls call him the damn% guy! if you're like blackadam who says production all the time.. and yet doesn't call WILT the goat, fuck off
"Last season, Jordan had to overcome the harrassment of zone traps and double and triple teamming to win the scoring title avging 37.1 points per game." - New York Times 1987
@hangtime23ful LOL!! that's a reliable source.. anybody in the media could right the same damn thing about kobe.. but with negative connotation, like kobe still forces shoots against zone traps and double and triple teaming to win the ballhog of the year award.
@hangtime23ful Well MJ and kobe played in Eras where you can basically palm the ball.. would it be fair to say they were better than bob cousy or jerry west?... even phil said with how the league has allowed this kind of ball handling "1 on 1 is HOPELESS situation"
Eras change, so you clearly did the math that wilt wasn't that better than mj?? cause he said he would avg 70pts today.. a lot of the players his faced believe so..
@2IAN4 Ur also ignorin that Wilt is a center Kobe & Jordan r SGs. SAME POSITION, SAME HEIGHT, SAME TYPE OF GAME, SAME TRIANGLE OFFENSE WITH PHIL JACKSON & TEX WINTERS. Its very VERY realistic to go by their number cuz they r so simliar.
Then he off that topic & talks about Jordan. U can tell he didn't wanna answer that question fool. Just 3 days ago Phil said Kobe's not the same & that he doesn't shoot the same % as Jordan. Also he said that in the same vid he said heistated to say kobe has better skills. "U know when u really look at it Jordan shot 49-50%, KOBE HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT, SO THERE'S DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE 2."
@hangtime23ful I'm not ignoring that! but GOAT isn't a category in which you'll just say kobe vs Mj idiot!
first of all they don't have the same type of game! there are similarities, but not completely identical..
Of course it's reliastic to go by their numbers. what's not realistic is the fact that you retards DON'T GET THAT MJ ATTEMPTED MORE SO HE WOUL OBVIOUSLY HAVE GREAT NUMBERS, JUST AS DURANT TODAY.. AND 4-5% fg DISPARITY? MAKES SOMEBODY AUTOMATICALLY BETTER? SO WADE IS BETTER THAN KOBE?
"YOU REALLY NEED A VIDEO TO KNOW IF MJ WAS A SLASHER EARLY IN HIS CAREER!?"
Earlier in his career, yes MJ was 55% slasher, 45% jump shooter & regularly put up 49-52% shooting seasons. But during the latter stages of his career, a older and less explosive MJ was 55% jump shooter, 45% slasher and STILL managed to consistently put up 49-50% seasons LOL!!
It simply made NO DIFFERENCE..
He simply was just a BETTER & more efficient scorer than kobe's EVER been in his career...deal with it
@blackadam06 yeah.. it didn't made no difference.. but is it enough to say that if HIS % WOULDN'T DIP A LITTLE IF WAS MORE OF A JUMPSHOOTER ALL THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER?? WE DON'T FUCKIN NO!!
AND PLS THAT 45% 55% BS WHATEVER.. THAT'S JUST NOT EVEN RELIABLE FAGGOT STATS!
"He simply was just a BETTER & more efficient scorer than kobe's EVER been in his career...deal with it"
OK..
PHIL: kOBE HAS BETTER OVERALL BASKETBALL SKILLS.. DEAL WITH IT MORON!
"Kobe has [patterned himself] after Michael. It's one thing to [hope to be] like him, it's another thing to [be] like him. I'm with (ESPN's) Bill Simmons on this, we have to [take] Michael out of the equation. [Stop] comparing [anyone] to Michael Jordan. It's just not fair. Kobe [doesn't shoot] the same [percentage] as Michael..he's [not] the [same player]."
-- Phil Jackson: "Kobe Bryant not in Michael Jordan's company"; sportingnews . com, Mar 14, 2011
Well lemme educate U then. A homer is someone who constantly tries to say that their "home" team or favorite player on that team, is better than anyone else, just because it's/he's their favorite, despite the facts saying something else.
"it's like 60s shit"
U just keep revealing how incredibly stupid & immature U are. That's a term from THIS ERA U moron..SMH
And stop lying kid, you've sent me nothing. U scare me?
@blackadam06 Fuck you retard! this ERA? that just makes your old ass irrelevent cause nobody even knows that or uses that unless they're Ston-age shiit! get real! if you're gonna play the i-know-basketball-cause-i'm -old card then play it! BUT don't try to be hip and all that! use simple words! "HOMER"??? are you trying to be cool you senior citizen???
i've sent you 2 messages dickhead!
Act your age granpa! stop trying to be so cool.. you sound like a damn hippie
@2IAN4 It ain't my fault Kobe does that. All u Kobetards think about the shots Kobe makes & completely ignore his misses which happens WAY MORE. Don't even think u know about basketball then us we've seen way more then u. Give up ur dumb lil pride & shut up. Callin us names like dickhead is not gonna make Kobe a better shooter. Its just makes u look more childlish & immature. I gave u a quote of Tex Winters sayin Jordan's a better shooter. He's been the ast coach for both em for their careers.
@hangtime23ful "think about the shots Kobe makes" faggot you're the one who rides stats moron! like ball hogging isn't an issue! who's the greatest ball hog in NBA history? he's the one that you ride dick all the time!
you really need a quote from tex? and completely ignores phil's claim that KOBE has better OVERALL basketball skills?? you bias cocksucker!
there's a reason he is the ONLY GUARD to be ever drafted out of highschool DICKHEAD! it's called skills!
If u guys think that stats matter that much in the NBA then u guys are dumbsses, all u guys are saying is who had better stats and better teammates! Look at the heat right now, maybe the top 10 best 3 players on one team in NBA history, but they are 3rd place...
Hey dumb ass, what told U that the Heat are in 3rd place?
They DO matter because when assessing a guy's talents, abilities & level of skill at ANY "skilled" facet of the game, their consistently good/bad production in those areas will tell us how good/bad they really are!
Why do U think owners & GM's put "incentive clauses" in the contracts of players?!! What the hell do U think the league uses to determine the leaders in scoring, assists, rebs, etc.?
@blackadam06 i didnt say that stats dont matter at all! who would you rather have on your team, a player who is a leader on and off the court like B-Roy, Chauncy Billups, or Paul Peirce but doesnt even average 20 points a game, or someone like Kevin Martin or Bargnani who can lead your team in scoring but cannot lead a team to the playoffs? Stats are not EVERYTHING but they do not mean nothing.
BTW: the Heat are in 3rd place in the eastern conference standings... learn something about the NBA
@blackadam06 DUDE ARE YOU REALLY THIS OLD TO WATCH THE BOX SCORE EVERY SINGLE GAME.. CAUSE THERE ARE 12 PLAYERS IN THE TEAM YOU KNOW..
YOU SOMEHOW MASK MJ'S BALL HOGGING AS "CARRYING THE TEAM"
SO IF A PIERCE SCORES 40PTS 50% AND MJ SCORES 40PTS 50%?? YOU FAGGOTS CAN'T TELL WHO'S BETTER???? REALLY? IS IT REALLY THAT HARD TO SEE WHO IS BETTER SKILLED?? TELL ME.. CAUSE I CAN DO THIS ALL DAY UNTIL YOU STEP ON YOUR OWN SHIT!
THAT'S RIGHT SENIOR CITIZENS! WE OWNING THEM OLD ASS TONIGHT! LMFAO
I watch the games dumb ass, the box scores just verify what that player "individually" did from a production stand point. So when some idiot kid like yourself starts talkin' about who did what in what game, I use the box scores to point out & verify "how" good or bad they actually were in that game.
Idiots like U hate that because often times, it disproves your childish claims and U KNOW U can't get around those facts..
@blackadam06 SMH.. LOL!! are you stupid? can you ever see "balhogging skills" in the boxscore??? cause it's a big part of the TEAM GAME!!! and is a BIG ASPECT of a selfish player.. MJ is the biggest ballhog in NBA history! his shot attempts pg are higher than Kb, but that's not in the box score right??
"SO IF A PIERCE SCORES 40PTS 50% AND MJ SCORES 40PTS 50%?? YOU FAGGOTS CAN'T TELL WHO'S BETTER???? REALLY? IS IT REALLY THAT HARD TO SEE WHO IS BETTER SKILLED?? TELL ME"
@2IAN4 Or shoot short range shots. Pierce scores 40pts 50% & Jordan scores 40pts 50% who's better? Haha wow nice unrealstic statement idiot. The fact is Jordan's better then Pierce is CUZ of the reality ppg & fg% they have. If Pierce had the same fg% & ppg like Jordan then he would be at least as good as Jordan the fact is he's not not. Anybody can come up with an unrealstic statement so quit it that pathetic comment to try & with these debates fool.
@hangtime23ful really? THAT'S YOUR ANSWER?? CAUSE I CAN LOOK AT THEIR SKILL SET AND SAY THAT MJ IS WAY BETTER! REGARDLESS OF STATS!!! YOU FAGGOTS LOOK AT MJ AS GOAT JUST BECAUSE OF HIS STATS??? THEN BELIEVE ME WILT IS WAY BETTER! MJ IS NOT EVEN IN THE CONVERSATION.. AND OSCAR AVG TRIPLE DOUBLE HIS FIRST 5 SEASONS..
SO WHO'S BEING UNREALISTIC??LOL!!
GET REAL MORON!
IF YOU CAN'T ASNWER THE QUESTION, THEN DON'T REPLY! YOU FUCKIN IDIOT! AND STOP REPLYING IF IT'S NOT FOR YOUR GAY ASS FAG! LMFAO
@blackadam06 he old ass wannabe bball expert! the stats mean a lot, but not everything.. cause IT IS A TEAM GAME! you talk about production. LOL, if kobe avg 40 ppg in his entire career, you think he'd be regarded as GOAT???? No he'd be the biggest ballhog in league history..
by the way, who is the biggest ball hog in league history?
you like to count the points all the time cause IT HIDES THE SKILL DISPARITY!
IF SHAQ AND HAKEEM HAVE IDENTICAL STATS i can still tell who's better skilled! FAG
@blackadam06 OH SO LET'S APPLY THE STATS THING TO WILT?
you can't just shove the team factor moron! they are in a damn team! if you shot more shots in your team, of course you've got great stats! that's called ball hogging! if BALLHOGGING is only what it takes to be GOAT to you.. then you got MJ's dick up your ass so much.. it might have pop your brain!
"Not from 1 game" who said about 1 game? i know what mj and kb's skill set.. and that's how you know who's better..
@2IAN4 Jordan's been a jump shooter his entire career too retard, i was stating that he relied on his jump shot the most from 93 to the end of his career then drivin to the basket. Just cuz u shoot more jumpers doesn't make u a better shooter. He was still consistently shootin jumpers from 85-92 as well but durin that time he knew he could to the basket at will which is a higher % shot so that's y he did that most of the time. Like i said b4 its not like Kobe never drives to the basket.
@hangtime23ful "well but durin that time HE KNEW he could to the basket at will which is a higher % shot so that's y he did that most of the time." so MJ told you this? the way he thought? the reason for RELYING in lay ups??
STOP TALKING OUT OF YOUR ASS DEEPSHIT!
HATE THIS "MJ THOUGHT THIS" BS!
NO HE DIDN'T! AND IF HE DID! YOU WOULDN'T FUCKIN NO!
@2IAN4 I'm provin a heck of a lot more then u r. Ur proof callin me dickhead & other childlish names. Kobe's the only guard to ever get drafted outta highschool? So what? That doesn't prove he's a better shooter then Jordan idiot & we weren't even talkin about skills. Haha Jordan has more ast then Kobe despite takin more shots. & Kobe has had more efficient players to pass to his whole career.
@hangtime23ful OH SO YOU'LL COMPLETELY IGNORE THAT YOU'RE ONE OF THOSE FAGGOTS WHO WRITES LIKE "MJ THOUGHT IT WAS BETTER TO DRIVE" - LIKE YOU ASK MJ THAT OR SOMETHING..
prove that he is a better shooter? it's not that hard to fuckin understand.. Mj is a slasher, Kobe shoots more jumpshots! why isn't this simple statement make SENSE to morons like you? oh cause that would make Mj un-GODLIKE.. lol
oh so you can shoot more if you just drop 6 assts? ballhog will always have better stats! IDIOT!
@2IAN4 Prove he's a better shooter? Ok if the fg% inside the arc isn't good enough for u then go watch Jordan games or prove to me Kobe's a better mid range shooter. Quit askin me to prove it when u don't any facts. I show the facts u show the immature attitude. TEX WINTERS TEX WINTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SAYS JORDAN'S A BETTER SHOOTER HE KNOWS WAY MORE THEN U. Get that thru ur stupid lil head.
@hangtime23ful Ok I'll take tex winter's word idiot! now take Phil's word! KOBE HAS BETTER OVERALL BASKETBALL SKILLS! Get that thru ur stupid lil head. OR ARE YOU GONNA TELL ME WHAT PHIL WAS THINKING AGAIN??? THAT'S RIGHT! YOU GOT OWNED!
BY THE WAY I HAVEN'T ASK YOU A DAMN THING! I HAVEN'T ASK ANY PROOF CAUSE I'VE WATCHED MJ A LITTLE OVER HIS PRIME AND NOW KOBE.. and the way kobe shoots the mid-range is A BIT BETTER even just by observing anybody with a BRAIN will notice that!
@2IAN4 I've already said Phil only said that cuz he didn't harm his relationship with Kobe. Phil said Jordan would avg 45ppg today as well as other experts. Gosh i always have to repeat myself to u. If Phil turly thoguht Kobe has better skills then he wouldn't say Jordan would avg 45ppg today. Notice in that vid when he said that Phil talk so much about Jordan & lil about Kobe. He heistated to say that about Kobe. "Umm (clears his throat), he uhh he does umm i think he has some overall"
@hangtime23ful "I've already said Phil only said that cuz he didn't harm his relationship with Kobe" YOU WANNA PROVE THIS KID? and WILT said he would average 70 now if we're gonna go by the WHAT IF'S then WILT is better..
"Umm (clears his throat), he uhh he does umm i think he has some overall" oh you can read minds..lol
@2IAN4 Wilt said that about himself nobody else. Other experts said that about Jordan that's the difference. Bruce Blitz puts countless hours on his list or rankings cuz he has a big passion for the game of basketball. He has for over 30 yrs. I don't always agree with em but i respect & value his opinions. I can't respect or even value urs.
@hangtime23ful players he has faced said that about him idiot! and why dismiss it if EXPERTS (which are media analysis tat didn't even play professional bball) didn't think so.. i never listen to so called experts!
Bruce is a dick rider! don't make me tear up with his passion and love for the game BS!
do I look like i care if you start sucking his dick? I wasn't asking if you value his ass moron!
And by the way.. isn't it obvious that I don't RESPECT AND VALUE YOURS MORE??
@2IAN4 Oh yeah & u have more passion & know then Blitz does right? He creates vids & footages in his vids to make his cases of what he believes in. He puts in so much hard work its not even funny.
@2IAN4 Have u ever watch a Jordan game b4 or r u too busy drollin over Kobe's bricks? I've seen Kobe's career my whole life & the difference is i'm not bias towards Kobe like u r. & don't i'm bias towards Jordan cuz i'm a suns fan not a bulls fan. I live in ARZ u live california. U will any stupid thing for Kobe's inconsistenty to Jordan.
@hangtime23ful I've said it before! I've watched mj... I was a fan of him before, i used to kill my grandpa over Magic and Mj debates, of course Bird and Magic fan will throw the Ballhog thing at Kobe and Mj, which is also a pretty damn argument.. cause if you're gonna base it PURELY on stats then i think Mj got nothing with WILT and OSCAR.. you average a triple double in seasons or avg 60ppg.. damn! that's pretty badass!
but then again YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSE TO BE BIAS RIGHT? THINK AGAIN DICKHEAD
@2IAN4 Those 2 guys played in super weak any iwht rarely any competition. Oscar only has reb & ast > Jordan. Jordan beats Oscar at win shares, off./def. win shares, win shares per 48 min, stls, blks, ppg, fg%, then Oscar. Wilt's numbers drop big time durin the playoffs when it matters most which is what u will see if u go watch that Jordan vs Wilt vid i gave u.
@hangtime23ful still it's about production and Oscar average a triple double you can't dismiss that. and wilt scores 60pt games like 30 pt games.. I ain't got time for your vids, I watched 1 and it was a BRUCE BLITZ vid, which is stupid as hell.. not the vid though, but that guy is a moron! he has kobe ranked 17 ot 18 or something.. under malone.. fuckin fat ass wannabe expert! even says Lbj is better than kobe..
Like i said.. lbj fans are Mj fans ressurected! dumb as hell!
@2IAN4 Yeah but u can't dimiss the fact of the era those 2 played in. They wouldn't be same players they were in Jordan's era or Kobe's era & everybody knows that. Jordan fans r LeBron fans as well? I could care less for LeBron. Don't make that stupid claim sayin Jordan fans r automatically LeBron fans.
@2IAN4 If they take the same amount of shots Jordan's fg% & ppg would still be higher dude so what's ur point? There's a reason y Jordan shoots more then Kobe. 1 Jordan's team relies on em more then Kobe's team. 2 Jordan can get open looks better & can get shots off better. Smarter player on the offensive end, less torunovers then Kobe as well.
@hangtime23ful "Jordan's team relies on em more then Kobe's team" there's a reason why they call him a ball hog.. that's because he doesn't need to have that many attempts! if his team RELIED on him hogging then nobody would call him that..
Kobe is less of of ballhog, but you call it less helping right?? pfft!
"Jordan can get open looks better & can get shots off better. " so are you gonna just say this or prove it?
pls kobe is the only guy today who can't be stopped..
@2IAN4 Proof? Look at the frickin numbers retard. They show consistency & what u do on the court. Where do u think these number r comin from? Quit denyin the facts & sayin i don't have proof WHEN U HAVEN'T PROVED ANYTIME AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!. Yeah keep callin me dickhead yeah that really proves how much of a better shooter Kobe is.
@hangtime23ful dude i'll keep calling you Dickhead if the word fits! and pls... numbers if only was the proof of GOAT then I'll say wilt and oscar are the best 2 players.. regardless of anything! if you can post numbers like that and your criteria for GOAT is who's got the better stat sheet or more specifically who's the GOAT ballhog.. then I guess Kobe have nothing.. he is probably the 3rd ballhog of alltime, behind Mj and wilt!
@2IAN4 I'm not bias towards Jordan idiot didn't i just tell u i'm not a bulls fan i'm a suns always have been. I live in ARZ u live in L.A. & ur a laker fan. That = Bias for Kobe. Jordan's skills r better then Kobe's sorry dude. Jordan's a better ball handler, Kobe suprass em at turnovers last season which less games played & far less games started then Jordan. Jordan's smarter IQ, better mid range shooter, more consistent, better at gettin seperation, better post up game, better passer.
@2IAN4 U can keep makin excuses all u want its not gonna change facts. Facts r facts whether u wanna accept it or not. Ur name callin isn't increasin Kobe's fg% so i suggest that u swallow ur pride & admit i'm right. If u don't wanna do that then quit postin to me.
@MJisKingKobesuckss Hold up. I know I am a little late getting into this, but is the dude you're fighting with really trying to argue that Kobe is better than Jordan?
KOBE IS A GREAT, NO DOUBT BUT HE GOT HIS ENTIRE GAME FROM JORDAN. KOBE EVEN ADMITS THIS, HE SAYS I FASHIONED MY GAME AFTER HIM, IT IS BECAUSE OF HIS GAME THAT I AM THIS WAY. KOBE GETS CREDIT FOR PUTTING THAT BALL IN THE BASKET EVERY NIGHT, JORDAN ISN'T DOING THAT FOR HIM. IF KOBE ISN'T FACING THE DEFENSIVE SCHEMES THAT JORDAN USED TO FACE IT'S NOT HIS FAULT, IT WAS SO ROUGH BACK THEN THAT'S WHY THEY GOT RID OF HAND CHECKING. CHICAGO AND THE KNICKS AND CHICAGO AND THE PISTONS DEFINE THAT ERA!
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ALSO @hangtime23ful
Nowhere in my comment did I state anything about Kobe Bean Bryant. Its you MJ worshipers who have to bring up & blast Kobe to somehow win an argument. Did Michael freakin Jordan have numerous ankle injuries, 3 - I repeat 3 knee surgeries, an arthritic shooting finger, torn ligament in his shooting wrist for which he takes numbing injections before every game, be 33 years old- AND STILL average right under 30 ppg??? I DONT THINK SO. Lets keep the Kobe / MJ comparisons away.
NoKittyKity 2 weeks ago
@NoKittyKity LMFAOO!!! kobe has been faking injuires for years. Jordan in 98 played with torn tendons/ligaments in his shooting fingers.. also played with a busted knee the same season, a screwed up knuckle..and this is one of just many seasons he played with injuries, but bakc then it was the norm to do so..the saying was if your on the court your good enough to go, players used to have to hide their injurys as guys would target them..the game was a mans game back then.
falkner23 2 weeks ago
@NoKittyKity Kobe has no torn ligaments he has a lil injury which recoveirng tiem was reported to be ''2 weeks'' if no surgery is required its not serious whatsoever..and it dosent appear to stop him jacking shot after shot. I will show you a real wrist injury right now and what happens with a real wrist injury.
falkner23 2 weeks ago
@NoKittyKity ''In the next season, Ewing's career almost came to an end due to an injury. On January 12, 1998, in a game against the Milwaukee Bucks at the Bradley Center, Ewing was fouled by Andrew Lang while attempting a dunk.
falkner23 2 weeks ago
@NoKittyKity He(Ewing) then fell to the court hard and landed on his wrist, breaking it, dislocating the bone, and tearing ligaments. The injury was so severe that it required immediate surgery to prevent nerve damage. Ewing, who had only missed 20 games in the previous ten seasons, missed the remaining 56 games of the season.
falkner23 2 weeks ago
@NoKittyKity However, he was able to rehabilitate the injury faster than expected and as the playoffs began, Ewing was talking about returning.''
falkner23 2 weeks ago
@NoKittyKity Unlike you Kobetards we dont use injury excuses.. if a guy is laced up hes good to go. MJ whos career you obviously did not witness live, constantly played through injuries.. hell in his 2nd season he stupidly rushed coming back from a broken foot before fully recovering. So get outta here with that weak wrist injury shit.. Mj 93 played with a wrist brace most the year because of busted ligaments in his wrist, he then re injured it vs Cavs in 93 playoffs.
falkner23 2 weeks ago
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NoKittyKity 2 weeks ago
and @blackadam06
Michael Jordan avg 20 pts per game on 41% fg and 18% 3 pt fg. And this wasnt in "todays" game. It was 11 years ago buddy. Anyone can avg 20 ppg if they chunk up enough shots. 41% is busch league. Players not in the nba 11 years ago? Derrick Rose, Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, Dwight Howard, Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant. All players who have a career ppg of 25 or better. Michael Jordan would just be lost in the mix.
NoKittyKity 2 weeks ago
@NoKittyKity Yeah those perimeter guys avg so many pts cuz of the pathetic rules changes of takin away handcheckin & addin a D3Key rule of preventin bigs to camp in the paint. Do u realize many coaches such as Phil Jackson, Larry Brown, etc have said Jordan would avg more pts in today's game than he did in his own era. I know way more basketball & the history of the game than u ever will. U act as if every player is puttin up super numbers & no one in the league is puttin up crappy numbers.
hangtime23ful 2 weeks ago
@hangtime23ful we missed out DR.J!!! lol theres so many its hard to keep track man
falkner23 2 weeks ago
@hangtime23ful whats funny is Ehlo was more athletic taller bigger than Hinrich you name it.. he was known as a very good defender.. yet Jordan destroyed him.. while Hinrich has shut Kobe down how many times? lol difference is Jordan torched whoever you put infront of him any player any defense he torched em' ..Kobetards seem to overlook that when MJ faced great players and teams his game went to another level.. go ask Clyde drexler LOL
falkner23 2 weeks ago
@NoKittyKity Yeah & these r all the guys in Jordan's era when he played. Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, Charles Barkley, John Stockton, Karl Malone, Moses Malone, Patrick Ewing, 90s Shaquille O'Neal, Isiah Thomas, Penny Hardaway, Reggie Miller, Mitch Richmond, Jow Dumars, Clyde Drexler, Dominique Wilkins, Kevin McHale, Robert Parish, etc.
hangtime23ful 2 weeks ago
@hangtime23ful Lol he probably has no idea who most of these players were bro
falkner23 2 weeks ago
@NoKittyKity derrick rose? heard of Magic Johnson..Isiah Thomas? Dwade.. heard of Clyde Drexler? Dwight Howard? lmaoooo heard of Kareem Hakeem Shaq Moses Robinson? Melo.. heard of Bernard King? Durant.. ever heard of Iceman or Worthy..Dantley? Agguire? .. LeBron.. ever heard of Dominique Wilkins Larry Bird prime pre injury Grant Hill Penny Hardaway? shit I could go on but theres no reason to
falkner23 2 weeks ago
@falkner23 @hangtime23
Don't tell me what I know, if you dont know me. I know who Craig fucking Ehlo is, and Craig fucking Ehlo wouldn't be allowed to step 20 feet near an NBA court today. His career avg of 8 pts 3 rebs and 2 ast is pathetic and has a total of 0 all-star appearances and 0 NBA defensive team. And about his suppossive magical defense, he avg 1.1 steal per game. And your talking about him guarding Jordan? Oh my goodness, such talent. You are the ones who need to learn your shit.
NoKittyKity 2 weeks ago
@NoKittyKity Hahahaha u wanna explain to me y Kirk Hinrich has had games of shuttin down Kobe? Is he some great talent? 0 defensive teams, 1.2 steals a game? Btw idiot stls doesn't always define a good defensive if u actually knew basketball. Bruce Bowen avg'd .8 stls a game for his entire but he is one of the best perimeter defenders ever. Dude how old was Jordan when he was in this era 39-40 yrs of age instein. U rarely ever see 40 yr old even play yet he avg'd 20+ppg.
hangtime23ful 2 weeks ago
@NoKittyKity child please your clearly have a lot to learn about basketball. Bringing up stats will only hurt whatever weak argument you have. I guess Bruce Bowen is a weak defender then?
falkner23 2 weeks ago
@NoKittyKity Jordan averaged 2.3 spg for his CAREER.. lol Kobe has never averaged 2.3 spg for even a single season get outta here kid
falkner23 2 weeks ago
@NoKittyKity ''I know who Craig fucking Ehlo is, and Craig fucking Ehlo wouldn't be allowed to step 20 feet near an NBA court today.'' so then why is it that a guy by the name of Kirk Hinrich who is less athletic than Ehlo and close to 3-4 inches shorter than Ehlo.. able to shutdown Kobe so many times? when he was a Bull lol I have all the games and stats listed so try me and I will post you some.
falkner23 2 weeks ago
Look at the athletes of today and look at what is being shown here. Cmon guys, give me a break. None of those Cleveland players would have a right to step near a basketball court today. If you think otherwise, you need to start watching more sports. MJ was the greatest....of his time. Not of this time.
NoKittyKitty 2 weeks ago
@NoKittyKitty Couldnt exspect any less from a Kobetard. So Larry Nance one of the most athletic power forwards of all time could not step foot on a court today? The big center Brad who would dwarf a lot of the big men today would not step foot on a court today? Mark Price whos game is a mirror of Steve Nash would not step foot on todays courts?
falkner23 2 weeks ago
@NoKittyKitty
A 40 yr old MJ avg'd 23/4/4 "in this time", so what do U think would happen if a prime MJ played in a era that has rules that FAVORS perimeter guys?
U Y2K kids are utter morons!
You're just ignorant & stupid enough to think that players then can't compete now, when there are LESSER players than them in terms of physical ability & skill in the league RIGHT NOW, who are are considered "elite"!
Grow up U dumb f*ck!
And go get some perspective on the game B4 trying to elaborate on it!
blackadam06 2 weeks ago
@NoKittyKitty Craig Ehlo a great defender who was 6ft 5 would not step foot on a court today when a guy like Kirk Hinrich who is not as athletic as Ehlo was aswell Hinrich is 6ft2 or under and has consistently shutdown Kobe Bryant game after game during his DAYS as a Bull. You clearly do not know sports or watch sports, before talking such mess how about educating yourself on a history of players you seem to know so little about.
falkner23 2 weeks ago
@NoKittyKitty Larry Nance & Ron Harper aren't athletes to u then? I guess if athleticsm is what its all about then how in the world r Duncan & Dirk (who don't have an athletic bone in their body) superstars in this league & r 2 of the top 3 PFs of this era? Btw kitty bein athletic isn't the only thing about basketball. U made a typical unknowledgeable ignorant comment that has been debunked countless times. This cavs team would easily be a title contendin threat today.
hangtime23ful 2 weeks ago
@NoKittyKitty I noticed ur other dumb comment on a Jordan vid that he never had to deal with knee problems. What i really don't undertsand is y idiots like u say stuff like that when u don't even research & learn some frickin nba history. Jordan had tendonitis in his left knee in the 91 season, & then the same but with both knees in 98 at age 35. Kids like u really to need to learn a lot about the game & its history.
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97braveheart 1 month ago
I'm not at all shocked to see Dick Bavetta was the ref for this game.
FavreianVengeance 1 month ago
M J is the best 4 ever!
zGesas 1 month ago
Wish I never commented on this article. Fan boys are idiots. Period!
dcn8iv 2 months ago
@dcn8iv no doubt fanboy you're a butthurt idiot as you just said, whos flawed logic was exposed by many posters on here.. guess you will have to stop posting for that to happen ..Period!
falkner23 1 month ago
3:38 - Jordan pushes off of Bryon Russell. I mean Craig Ehlo.
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FavreianVengeance 2 months ago
Kobe v. Jordan? Who cares?
Showtime Lakers got the country interested in basketball, Jordan took the league to the stars. Everything Kobe has earned is in part thanks to MJ.
Kobe needs to tithe 25% of his salary and endorsements to Jordan.
Paglia444 3 months ago
KOBE IS MY NIGGA.... BUT WHEN I WATCH JORDAN.... I'M LIKE MAN, MIKE IS IN ANOTHER ZONE!!!!!
lakermike24 3 months ago
Since stats seem to be the measure of a man in these threads, I'd like to salute the greatest player of all time. Wilt Chamberlain!!!!!! Thank you thank you. No applause needed!!! LOL. With Big O coming in a close 2nd.
dcn8iv 5 months ago
@dcn8iv
Since U seem to not understand what certain stats are telling U, let me make it plain & simple for U.
PER accounts for one's overall contribution (pts, rebs, asts, blks, stls, FG% etc.) & impact on the floor. Typically forwards & centers consistently have the BEST PER seasons, but guess who's #1 All Time and has 4 of the Top 7 seasons? And he's a guard..
Guess who's finished #1 7x and in the Top 2 10x in this area?
I think even you're smart enough to figure this out..
blackadam06 4 months ago
@dcn8iv
"there seems to be a lot of idiots here!"
And U lead the pack..
U mentioned Wilt, but MJ at his peak shot 53%, which is BETTER than what Wilt shot during his 1st 6 seasons. In fact Wilt's FG% didn't increase until his volume of shots came WAY down. He shot 54% on 25 shots a game, MJ shot 53.5% at 24 shots a game..virtually identical.
When it comes to single game records, Wilt's the man. But when it comes to "career production", especially in the playoffs, NOBODY even COMES CLOSE to MJ..
blackadam06 4 months ago
there seems to be a lot of idiots here! never once did i say Kob was better than MJ! Not one time! For all you people who think the chasm is far apart thats your opinion and just like assholes, everyone has one! MJ is the greatest wing player and I have him and Kareem tied for the best ever. If you don't like my opinion, fine, but y'all better stop talking sh_t to me! Phuckn internet gansters! phuck y'all!
dcn8iv 5 months ago
@dcn8iv
"For all you people who think the chasm is far apart thats your opinion"
Oh really?
Well when looking at the Top 50 seasons in terms of "wins produced" by 2-guards since the '78 season, the Top 7 slots are held by MJ. Kobe’s BEST season doesn’t appear #27 LOL!! In fact he ONLY appears 3x on the ENTIRE list...MJ appears 10x, and has 8 of the Top 20 seasons LOL!!
I'd say that's a HUGE difference between them LOL!!
These are FACTS regarding how much BETTER MJ is than him, not opinions..
blackadam06 5 months ago
We did get to see what a young, pre-prime Kobe did against MVP Jordan in 97 and 98... MJ is better but the margin isn't as great as his sycophants proclaim... Kob has better handles, tricks, and long range shot. MJ had bigger hands, more athleticism, and finished better at the rim... Easily 1 and 1A... Kob needs 7 rings to be MJ's equal, though they are on the same plain... MJ fans shouldn't feel threatened by Kob but should embrace him as Mike's remix!
dcn8iv 5 months ago
@dcn8iv
Stats show that the margin is great, so being a "sycophants" as you say has little to do with it.
1997-1998 was practically the worst "full season" of Jordan's Chicago Bulls career. You are comparing that Jordan to Kobe?
And getting "7 rings" doesn't make Kobe "equal." His percentages and averages are so low, that comparing him to Jordan is completely laughable.
itsokayright 5 months ago
@itsokayright If we go solely by statistics that would place Oscar Robertson, Wilt Chamberlain, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar ahead of Jordan... Oscar was worth more points to a team night in and night out. Wilt and MJ scored on avg the same amount but Wilt has the higher percentage, lead the NBA in assists from the center position and gave you 23 boards per game. Kareem only had the most MVP's ever, won the same number of rings as MJ, and only scored more buckets than anyone ever...
dcn8iv 5 months ago
@dcn8iv ''Kareem only had the most MVP's ever, won the same number of rings as MJ, and only scored more buckets than anyone ever... '' does Kareem have 6 finals mvps and the leader of all his championships? 10 scoring titles? Jordan has the highest ppg career average of alltime..Jordan also holds the highest playoff ppg average of alltime.. non of those guys have acomplished the overall set of achievements MJ has.
falkner23 5 months ago
@dcn8iv The kobe faithful crack me up.
Kobe homers will always hang on another legend because Kobe does not have the stats or accomplishments MJ had
kobe=one of the most overrated ballers to ever play this game.
MJisKingKobesuckss 5 months ago
@MJisKingKobesuckss You don't even deserve a reply... Go watch a dvd or something.
dcn8iv 5 months ago
@dcn8iv
Your comments are so laughable & easily picked apart (as U see others have done on here), that even a novice NBA fan could do so.
Making dumb comments like "MJ is better but the margin [isn't as great] as his sycophants proclaim", as well as "Kobe needs 7 rings to be MJ's equal", only shows how incredibly immature & the depths of your ignorance regarding this subject matter.
I suggest U go do some research on their individual accomplishments & seasonal output to see how silly U sound..
blackadam06 5 months ago
@blackadam06 If I saw you I'd pick you apart on the court or in the ring. sucka!
dcn8iv 5 months ago
@dcn8iv
I seriously doubt it..
blackadam06 5 months ago
@dcn8iv
Think about it. Jordan did not even win championships during the 1980s, yet people REFUSE to compare 80s Jordan to mid-90s Jordan.
If comparing 1996 Jordan to 1991 Jordan is a complete insult, how do you think fans feel about the comparisons between Kobe and Jordan?
Seriously, in 1997-1998, Jordan almost exclusively shot fade away jumpers. A Jordan that averages under 50% field goals is not prime Jordan. In school, my friends REFUSED to accept the new 1996 MJ (back then.)
itsokayright 5 months ago
@dcn8iv ''We did get to see what a young, pre-prime Kobe did against MVP Jordan in 97 and 98'' really you mean and old 34-35 year old MJ dropping 36 in 3quarters while sitting out teh 4th aurter of a blowout game in Chicago? ..all is it the all star game of a ''35 year old'' MJ schooling Kobe on numerous occasions.. LOL get outta here man.
falkner23 5 months ago 3
@falkner23 Haha it seems like u owned this Kobetard. Hey i sent a message to u on ur age, check it out.
hangtime23ful 5 months ago
@falkner23... my friend, its all age and experience really.... go look at a more mature kobe (still not even in his prime) drop 55 on the mjs wizards in 2003 (i believe the year was coulda been 02)... yes mj was 39 or 40 but just goes to sho that comparing kobe in 1998 (only his sophmore year) to MJ in 1998 isnt really fair lol
Aircheekz 3 months ago
@dcn8iv handles? LOL
kobe in 70 less games than MJ in 2010 passed him on the all time turnovers list. So that goes right out the door. 7 rings?
LOL Jordan won 6 finals MVP and 6 rings as a leader.
Kobe won 3 rings riding shotgun lol.
Kobe close to MJ? Are you nuts. Kobe is far off 15 year old.
LOL Kobe has so many tricks but cant shoot 50 percent for one season LOLOLOLOL
MJisKingKobesuckss 5 months ago
@dcn8iv You can argue MJ/Kobe all you want. Bird trumps both of them. But I will say that only an idiot would say if Kobe gets X rings he's MJ's equal. That' s retard talk brought to you by the corporate media. Kobe will never be MJ's equal.
FavreianVengeance 2 months ago
Why aren't all the called fouls on here for his 21-23 FTs? Afraid to display the cheating?
FavreianVengeance 2 months ago
@FavreianVengeance lol no man Im not afraid to display the ''cheating'' as you put it. Most player/game highlight videos on youtube do not include freethrows.. it's just a short highlight package showing the made field goals.
falkner23 1 month ago
@falkner23 That's cool I guess__ If that's your style, that's your style. But my guess would be if you showed the fouls, you'd see a lot of cheap fouls for a guy to get 23 FTAs.
FavreianVengeance 1 month ago
haha Ehlo..
fatndirty 5 months ago
@fullybuiltcivic1... Even Phil Jackson said. Kobe never reached MJ;s percentage... MJ had many games scoring more than 50 with more than 50%.. Kobe could never even get close to that. Kobe's biggest rival is lebron. thats all. but first, lebron must become the leader he thinks he is becaise Wade is way more effective than he is in Miami, Would be great to watch though, Miami against Lakers.... Afetr the game MJ can teach basketball Kobe and lebron starting with simple lay ups...
sydneyboi4fun 6 months ago
@fullybuiltcivic1.. exactly.. MJ worked hard in 80's to earn everything bit by bit. When he reached his prime no one could stop him. But he wasnt like Kobe or Lebron. He was the leader of the team already and didnt switch teams like lebron to becoem champions. Horace Grant was never awesomely big in NBA but still that team WON and that was BEFORE Rodman. Pippen also same with MJ started in 80 's and EARNED it. Kobe will never be able to do anything by leading the team
sydneyboi4fun 6 months ago
@fullybuiltcivic1... KOBE is GREAT. but he is overrated in a way that he won the championships when hard work was done by others like SHAQ and GASOL. This year, Gasol choked and Kobe couldnt save the ship from sinking. Jordan never let any of his teams sank. No matter how hard the task was, He grabbed the ball and made sure tas was done properly. Kobe and Lebron do NOT possess this at all. We all saw how lebron choked this year like a little queen.
sydneyboi4fun 6 months ago
Jordan has more titles. Jordan has more rebounds, points,blocks and assists per game. Jordan was named NBA all-star more times. He also won the defensive player of the year in '88. He can DUNK from the FREE THROW LINE. nuff said
Manpower787 7 months ago
Everything is great except the commentary !!
isurufernando24 7 months ago
Kobe is the best all time if jordan played in kobes era he might have 1 or 2 rings the nba as whole was horrible in jordans era thats y everyone was cryin when he was bout to retire bc no one to carry the nba. the players he played against werent nearly as good as ppl kobe played against just look at the vids lol and kobes 81 is best game all time!!! better than wilts 100 against small white guys that couldnt jump! he wouldnt drop 50 if in this current nba in a game!
TheRichboy301 7 months ago
@TheRichboy301 Kobe's 81 was against the Toronto Raptors, one of the worst defensive teams in the league. Kobe only has five "rings" because of Shaq and Gasol. Kobe was a sidekick for the first three rings to Shaq. After Shaq was driven out of LA by Kobe, Kobe couldn't take the lakers anywhere. It wasn't until Gasol was acquired that the Lakers made it back to the finals. If kobe played in jordan's era, he wouldn't have any rings. If Michael played today, he would OWN Kobe's overrated ass.
deadlyshooter2031 7 months ago
@deadlyshooter2031 ILL go even further to say that kobe needed Gasol but Gasol damn sure needed kobe and actually kobe made gasol into a better player and gasol said that countless times. And just so you know NOBODY wins by themself. Take away pippen and rodman you can kiss jordans rings goodbye. Take away shaq and gasol you can kiss kobes rings goodbye. This is Basketball NOT TENNIS you need a team to win. Both kobe and Mj needed help. Mj was drafted in 80's and didnt start winning till the 90s
fullybuiltcivic1 6 months ago
@deadlyshooter2031 ILL close by saying YES Michael Jordan is the better player and YES he is the greatest of all time EASILY. But Kobe Bryant overrated? lol somebody teach this guy basketball if he stands by that statement.
fullybuiltcivic1 6 months ago
@fullybuiltcivic1 I need to learn about basketball? Anybody who has watched basketball and is unbiased will tell you that Kobe is overrated. He gets all of the credit for his 5 "rings". Shaq didn't win those first 3 championships by himself but he was without question the leader of those Laker teams. Where was Kobe in game 7 of the 2010 finals (6-24)? Gasol dominated in that series. Where was Kobe against the mavericks this year? Kobe shoots 40% in the finals for his career. He is overrated.
deadlyshooter2031 6 months ago
Stop comparing Kobe 81 point game to Jordan's 69 point game, there both amazing, stop hating and enjoy greatness
Honestyandyourself 7 months ago
that guys voice is so FCKIN annoying !!! :X:X:X
SeemSUnreaL 7 months ago
against a team with a great offense and great defense smh forget kobe jorden>kobe
MrMiami00000 7 months ago
Clevland guards be all
"how many pics and magazines am i gonna be shown being POSTERIZED on this year..."
GunGemini 8 months ago
18 reb for guard with 69 pts?!ARE YOU KIDDING ME!? lol
lbj6mj23 8 months ago
So fucking great. Jordan is the king. Fuck Kobe !
Gangstamiic 9 months ago 13
@Gangstamiic i liked your comment by mistake...Jordan is a great player but you can say nothing about kobe coz he scored 81...praise jordan not diss kobe...i praise them both
deking27 9 months ago
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Gangstamiic 9 months ago
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@deking27 So what if he scored 81 points ? Jordan was more funny to watch than Kobe is. Jordan wasnt such an ego like Kobe is. MY OPINION.
Gangstamiic 9 months ago 3
@Gangstamiic 81.
NumriNente 7 months ago
@NumriNente 81 against the raptors, one of the worst defensive teams in the league. Where were his 81 points in 2008 when the lakers were being blown out by 39 or this year against the mavs. The lakers were swept. Kobe had 17 in the final 2 games, losing the final game by 36. Kobe=overrated.
deadlyshooter2031 7 months ago
@deadlyshooter2031 Michael jordan is the greatest to ever play easily. But Kobe Bryant overrated makes you sound like you know no basketball what so ever. Michael has been QUOTED saying kobe bryant is a Great player many times and has said kobe was the best in his ERA. kobe is 6 on the all time scoring list and if u even get in the top 10 in the category immediately says your not overrated. I will say he was sidekick to shaq but if your implying gasol is the reason for kobes las 2 go fly a kite
fullybuiltcivic1 6 months ago
Children still arguing about Kobe on a Michael vid. Anyone who knows basketball knows that there is no argument. Even Kobe knows.
estalling 9 months ago 11
3:39 :O
DoronTheou 9 months ago 2
These points were WORKED FOR!! unlike kobe's 81 point FREEBIE!!!
litoariel 9 months ago
@litoariel i just love the way you kobe haters find a cheap reason to disgrace him....
revengerdawg 9 months ago
@litoariel lol derp
xxbluejay21 9 months ago
@litoariel why would you say kobe didnt work for them?
just enjoy the vid and leave kobe alone
deking27 9 months ago
Michael Jordan is like Pelé
Kobe Briant is like Maradona
They're both great, but we know there's only one #1.
combozzz 10 months ago 2
The main thing that sets Kobe and Michael apart is that Michael was an unselfish player whereas Kobe is a ballhog.
LRGenesis 10 months ago
what's with this page using the word HOMER?? like did blackadam told you that this word is in or something? I mean I don't even know that term.. it's like 60s shit.. who invented that? Moses? if you wanna diss somebody don't call em Kobe homer! cause anybody would just laugh the shit out of it!
and where's blackadam? oh that'[s right I sent him a personal message and scared the shit out of him! so don't diss if you don't wanna get owned!
learn your lessons from blackadam! ROFL
2IAN4 10 months ago
@2IAN4 The only reason y Phil Jackson said Kobe has better skills is cuz someone asked em that in 2008 & he's still coachin em so he didn't want to harm his relationship with Kobe. But in 2007 he said Jordan would avg 45ppg in today's game, honestly think about that if Phil Jackson TRULY thought Kobe has better skills y would he say Jordan would avg 45ppg today? Didn't u even watch that whole vid? Phil hesitated to answer the question then he went to say how much Jordan is better at this & that.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@hangtime23ful oh right and after the interview phil told you this.. good one moron!
2IAN4 10 months ago
@2IAN4 Jordan mainly became a jump shooter since 93 still the end of his career. Ur the one that needs to watch more Jordan games cuz he shot mid range jumpers as much Kobe.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@hangtime23ful oh he became a jump shooter in the end of his career? that explains the FG%! thank you faggot! kobe's been a jump shooter his entire career and he doesn't have to develop his threes cause it's already there.. his jumpshot is already there..
Phil: the weakest part of mj's game was his jumpshot, and he practiced and practiced...
enough said!
kobe's skill set from day 1 is up there.
2IAN4 10 months ago
@2IAN4 Again on the Jordan Kobe thing, the fact is when Jordan relied on his jump shot from 93-98 his fg% is still better then Kobe's. Also Jordan has more fg attempts pg then Kobe & the more u shoot the more natural it is for ur fg% to go down.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@hangtime23ful well kobe has always rely in his jumpshot even before, it's not like he has to improve it in anyway..
"Jordan has more fg attempts pg" well does this END the debate of who's the bigger ballhog? cause all you Mj fans keep gloating about scores and shit.. yet you won't concede that he is the biggest ballhog in NBA history! which he is.. apparently a 6apg or more justifies the fg attempt to you.
2IAN4 10 months ago
@2IAN4 Kobe doesn't have to improve his jump shot? HE NEVER MADE 47% OF HIS OWN SHOTS FROM THE FRICKIN FIELD IDIOT NOT 1 SEASON. I'm sorry if u can't explain to me how Kobe's a better mid range shooter. Ur extremely bias towards Kobe & u just want Kobe to have something > Jordan. Give it up Kobe homer Jordan is a better mid range shooter. Its more valuable to have cuz he's smarter, smarter with his shot selections. Kobe wastes his time shootin stupid questionable shots. More Valuable = Better.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@hangtime23ful dude the freakin field is so broad dumbass!
if you drive more of course your FG% is higher! doesn't mean you're a better jumpshooter! does that even register or make sense in your moronic mind!
LOL!! are we playing the 'bad shots' thing.. no skill guys like you call it bad shots cause it seems hard to do! faggot! if it goes in it's in.. better perimeter? If "Mj rely on his jumpshot in the late seasons and kobe's always been a jumpshooter! then the the math! IDIOT!
2IAN4 10 months ago
@2IAN4 Jordan 6 seasons over 50% from the field, Kobe never had 1 season up to 47%. Do that math retard. Same position, same height, same type of game, same triangle offense with Phil Jackson & Tex Winters who said Jordan's a better shooter but of course u keep ignorin that. I also stated that just cuz u shoot more doesn't make u a better shooter. Jordan's shoots more then Kobe & the more u shoot the more natural it is for ur fg% to go down.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@hangtime23ful same type of game? LOL!!
ok jordan is a better shooter because of TEX huh?
But kobe is has better OVERALL BASKETBALL SKILLS like PHIL SAID!? but you keep ignoring that...
why you keep on stating the FG%? MJ HAS BETTER FG% that's not a secret! but to say that Mj is better in perimter just because of FG%?? you gotta be kidding me..
2IAN4 10 months ago
@2IAN4 PhIl Jackson never said the weakest part of Jordan's game is his jump shot, now ur just so desperate that ur lying to us. Do u have a quote or vid of Phil Jackson sayin that about Jordan? EXACTLY u don't stupid kid so quit ur BS & accept reality. We get r quotes from articles so tell us were makin stuff up.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@hangtime23ful YOU REALLY NEED A VIDEO TO KNOW IF MJ WAS A SLASHER EARLY IN HIS CAREER!? I THOUGHT YOU KNOW MJ SO MUCH DICKHEAD! IT'S NOT THE ACTUAL QUOTE, BUT I REMEMBER PHIL SAYING MJ MASTERED THE JUMPSHOT AND HIS DEFENSE CAUSE THAT WAS CRITICIZED EARLY IN HIS CAREER.. TO THOSE WHO'VE ACTUALLY WATCHED MJ, THEY KNOW!
I THINK I'LL REPLY TO BLACKADAM FOR NOW!
YOU'RE NOT CREDIBLE IN ANY WAY.. BLACK ADAM IS IN HIS 80 OR SOMETHING.. THAT GUY PROBABLY SAW WILT PLAYED LIVE.. SO RUN ALONG FAG! LOL!!
2IAN4 10 months ago
@2IAN4 Again quit actin like Kobe never drives to the basket or shoots short range jumpers. If u drive more then ur fg% will be higher? Jordan's fg% is a lil too much higher then Kobe's wouldn'tu say? Kobe's never made half of his shots inside the arcin 1 season so that takes away all the 3pt shots. Jordan at his peak was makin 54-55% of his shots from inside the arc. & makin slightly more then half of his shots inside the arc when he relied on his jump shot the most.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@hangtime23ful "Again quit actin like Kobe never drives to the basket or shoots short range jumpers." did i say he never drive or shoot short jumpers? i said that he doesn't drive as much as mj, and if FG% is your only reason for GOAT them you gotta be kidding me!
you do know most of the players before have high FG% right? cause it was so 1 on 1 oriented..
and pls call him the damn% guy! if you're like blackadam who says production all the time.. and yet doesn't call WILT the goat, fuck off
2IAN4 10 months ago
@2IAN4 1on1?
/watch?v=2s9_GKFNL9E
/watch?v=NLv2F33snCE
/watch?v=5K-qGWkiKvQ
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@2IAN4
"Last season, Jordan had to overcome the harrassment of zone traps and double and triple teamming to win the scoring title avging 37.1 points per game." - New York Times 1987
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@hangtime23ful LOL!! that's a reliable source.. anybody in the media could right the same damn thing about kobe.. but with negative connotation, like kobe still forces shoots against zone traps and double and triple teaming to win the ballhog of the year award.
But all of you ignore the BALLHOG ASPECT RIGHT!
2IAN4 10 months ago
@2IAN4 Wilt played in an era where there was rarely any competition he was way ahead of his time look at this vid Jordan vs Wilt comparison.
/watch?v=_MQiELR_MxE
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
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@hangtime23ful Well MJ and kobe played in Eras where you can basically palm the ball.. would it be fair to say they were better than bob cousy or jerry west?... even phil said with how the league has allowed this kind of ball handling "1 on 1 is HOPELESS situation"
Eras change, so you clearly did the math that wilt wasn't that better than mj?? cause he said he would avg 70pts today.. a lot of the players his faced believe so..
2IAN4 10 months ago
@2IAN4 Ur also ignorin that Wilt is a center Kobe & Jordan r SGs. SAME POSITION, SAME HEIGHT, SAME TYPE OF GAME, SAME TRIANGLE OFFENSE WITH PHIL JACKSON & TEX WINTERS. Its very VERY realistic to go by their number cuz they r so simliar.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
Then he off that topic & talks about Jordan. U can tell he didn't wanna answer that question fool. Just 3 days ago Phil said Kobe's not the same & that he doesn't shoot the same % as Jordan. Also he said that in the same vid he said heistated to say kobe has better skills. "U know when u really look at it Jordan shot 49-50%, KOBE HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT, SO THERE'S DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE 2."
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@hangtime23ful I'm not ignoring that! but GOAT isn't a category in which you'll just say kobe vs Mj idiot!
first of all they don't have the same type of game! there are similarities, but not completely identical..
Of course it's reliastic to go by their numbers. what's not realistic is the fact that you retards DON'T GET THAT MJ ATTEMPTED MORE SO HE WOUL OBVIOUSLY HAVE GREAT NUMBERS, JUST AS DURANT TODAY.. AND 4-5% fg DISPARITY? MAKES SOMEBODY AUTOMATICALLY BETTER? SO WADE IS BETTER THAN KOBE?
2IAN4 10 months ago
@2IAN4 There's some vids of Jordan's jump shot.
/watch?v=cbK1VpQf7XM
/watch?v=9q8B_L2p72o
/watch?v=RGa1s2k9MO4
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@2IAN4
"YOU REALLY NEED A VIDEO TO KNOW IF MJ WAS A SLASHER EARLY IN HIS CAREER!?"
Earlier in his career, yes MJ was 55% slasher, 45% jump shooter & regularly put up 49-52% shooting seasons. But during the latter stages of his career, a older and less explosive MJ was 55% jump shooter, 45% slasher and STILL managed to consistently put up 49-50% seasons LOL!!
It simply made NO DIFFERENCE..
He simply was just a BETTER & more efficient scorer than kobe's EVER been in his career...deal with it
blackadam06 10 months ago
@blackadam06 yeah.. it didn't made no difference.. but is it enough to say that if HIS % WOULDN'T DIP A LITTLE IF WAS MORE OF A JUMPSHOOTER ALL THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER?? WE DON'T FUCKIN NO!!
AND PLS THAT 45% 55% BS WHATEVER.. THAT'S JUST NOT EVEN RELIABLE FAGGOT STATS!
"He simply was just a BETTER & more efficient scorer than kobe's EVER been in his career...deal with it"
OK..
PHIL: kOBE HAS BETTER OVERALL BASKETBALL SKILLS.. DEAL WITH IT MORON!
2IAN4 10 months ago
@2IAN4
"Kobe has [patterned himself] after Michael. It's one thing to [hope to be] like him, it's another thing to [be] like him. I'm with (ESPN's) Bill Simmons on this, we have to [take] Michael out of the equation. [Stop] comparing [anyone] to Michael Jordan. It's just not fair. Kobe [doesn't shoot] the same [percentage] as Michael..he's [not] the [same player]."
-- Phil Jackson: "Kobe Bryant not in Michael Jordan's company"; sportingnews . com, Mar 14, 2011
Now U deal with that...
blackadam06 10 months ago
@2IAN4
"I mean I don't even know that term"
Well lemme educate U then. A homer is someone who constantly tries to say that their "home" team or favorite player on that team, is better than anyone else, just because it's/he's their favorite, despite the facts saying something else.
"it's like 60s shit"
U just keep revealing how incredibly stupid & immature U are. That's a term from THIS ERA U moron..SMH
And stop lying kid, you've sent me nothing. U scare me?
Get real..
blackadam06 10 months ago
@blackadam06 Fuck you retard! this ERA? that just makes your old ass irrelevent cause nobody even knows that or uses that unless they're Ston-age shiit! get real! if you're gonna play the i-know-basketball-cause-i'm -old card then play it! BUT don't try to be hip and all that! use simple words! "HOMER"??? are you trying to be cool you senior citizen???
i've sent you 2 messages dickhead!
Act your age granpa! stop trying to be so cool.. you sound like a damn hippie
2IAN4 10 months ago
@2IAN4 It ain't my fault Kobe does that. All u Kobetards think about the shots Kobe makes & completely ignore his misses which happens WAY MORE. Don't even think u know about basketball then us we've seen way more then u. Give up ur dumb lil pride & shut up. Callin us names like dickhead is not gonna make Kobe a better shooter. Its just makes u look more childlish & immature. I gave u a quote of Tex Winters sayin Jordan's a better shooter. He's been the ast coach for both em for their careers.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@hangtime23ful "think about the shots Kobe makes" faggot you're the one who rides stats moron! like ball hogging isn't an issue! who's the greatest ball hog in NBA history? he's the one that you ride dick all the time!
you really need a quote from tex? and completely ignores phil's claim that KOBE has better OVERALL basketball skills?? you bias cocksucker!
there's a reason he is the ONLY GUARD to be ever drafted out of highschool DICKHEAD! it's called skills!
2IAN4 10 months ago
If u guys think that stats matter that much in the NBA then u guys are dumbsses, all u guys are saying is who had better stats and better teammates! Look at the heat right now, maybe the top 10 best 3 players on one team in NBA history, but they are 3rd place...
Redsoxlakes24 10 months ago
@Redsoxlakes24
Hey dumb ass, what told U that the Heat are in 3rd place?
They DO matter because when assessing a guy's talents, abilities & level of skill at ANY "skilled" facet of the game, their consistently good/bad production in those areas will tell us how good/bad they really are!
Why do U think owners & GM's put "incentive clauses" in the contracts of players?!! What the hell do U think the league uses to determine the leaders in scoring, assists, rebs, etc.?
You're the dumb ass!
blackadam06 10 months ago
@blackadam06 i didnt say that stats dont matter at all! who would you rather have on your team, a player who is a leader on and off the court like B-Roy, Chauncy Billups, or Paul Peirce but doesnt even average 20 points a game, or someone like Kevin Martin or Bargnani who can lead your team in scoring but cannot lead a team to the playoffs? Stats are not EVERYTHING but they do not mean nothing.
BTW: the Heat are in 3rd place in the eastern conference standings... learn something about the NBA
Redsoxlakes24 10 months ago
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@Redsoxlakes24
"i didnt say that stats dont matter at all"
U said they "don't mean that much", which is just as bad..
"BTW: the Heat are in 3rd place in the eastern conference standings"
And once again, what method allows us to know that? Say it & spell it with me: S-T-A-T-S.....stats
blackadam06 10 months ago
@blackadam06 DUDE ARE YOU REALLY THIS OLD TO WATCH THE BOX SCORE EVERY SINGLE GAME.. CAUSE THERE ARE 12 PLAYERS IN THE TEAM YOU KNOW..
YOU SOMEHOW MASK MJ'S BALL HOGGING AS "CARRYING THE TEAM"
SO IF A PIERCE SCORES 40PTS 50% AND MJ SCORES 40PTS 50%?? YOU FAGGOTS CAN'T TELL WHO'S BETTER???? REALLY? IS IT REALLY THAT HARD TO SEE WHO IS BETTER SKILLED?? TELL ME.. CAUSE I CAN DO THIS ALL DAY UNTIL YOU STEP ON YOUR OWN SHIT!
THAT'S RIGHT SENIOR CITIZENS! WE OWNING THEM OLD ASS TONIGHT! LMFAO
2IAN4 10 months ago
@2IAN4
"are U really this old"
Are U this dumb & immature?
I watch the games dumb ass, the box scores just verify what that player "individually" did from a production stand point. So when some idiot kid like yourself starts talkin' about who did what in what game, I use the box scores to point out & verify "how" good or bad they actually were in that game.
Idiots like U hate that because often times, it disproves your childish claims and U KNOW U can't get around those facts..
blackadam06 10 months ago
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@blackadam06 SMH.. LOL!! are you stupid? can you ever see "balhogging skills" in the boxscore??? cause it's a big part of the TEAM GAME!!! and is a BIG ASPECT of a selfish player.. MJ is the biggest ballhog in NBA history! his shot attempts pg are higher than Kb, but that's not in the box score right??
"SO IF A PIERCE SCORES 40PTS 50% AND MJ SCORES 40PTS 50%?? YOU FAGGOTS CAN'T TELL WHO'S BETTER???? REALLY? IS IT REALLY THAT HARD TO SEE WHO IS BETTER SKILLED?? TELL ME"
running!? answer fag
2IAN4 10 months ago
@2IAN4 Or shoot short range shots. Pierce scores 40pts 50% & Jordan scores 40pts 50% who's better? Haha wow nice unrealstic statement idiot. The fact is Jordan's better then Pierce is CUZ of the reality ppg & fg% they have. If Pierce had the same fg% & ppg like Jordan then he would be at least as good as Jordan the fact is he's not not. Anybody can come up with an unrealstic statement so quit it that pathetic comment to try & with these debates fool.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@hangtime23ful really? THAT'S YOUR ANSWER?? CAUSE I CAN LOOK AT THEIR SKILL SET AND SAY THAT MJ IS WAY BETTER! REGARDLESS OF STATS!!! YOU FAGGOTS LOOK AT MJ AS GOAT JUST BECAUSE OF HIS STATS??? THEN BELIEVE ME WILT IS WAY BETTER! MJ IS NOT EVEN IN THE CONVERSATION.. AND OSCAR AVG TRIPLE DOUBLE HIS FIRST 5 SEASONS..
SO WHO'S BEING UNREALISTIC??LOL!!
GET REAL MORON!
IF YOU CAN'T ASNWER THE QUESTION, THEN DON'T REPLY! YOU FUCKIN IDIOT! AND STOP REPLYING IF IT'S NOT FOR YOUR GAY ASS FAG! LMFAO
2IAN4 10 months ago
@2IAN4 *don't tell us were makin stuff up.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@blackadam06 he old ass wannabe bball expert! the stats mean a lot, but not everything.. cause IT IS A TEAM GAME! you talk about production. LOL, if kobe avg 40 ppg in his entire career, you think he'd be regarded as GOAT???? No he'd be the biggest ballhog in league history..
by the way, who is the biggest ball hog in league history?
you like to count the points all the time cause IT HIDES THE SKILL DISPARITY!
IF SHAQ AND HAKEEM HAVE IDENTICAL STATS i can still tell who's better skilled! FAG
2IAN4 10 months ago
@2IAN4
"he old ass wannabe bball expert!"
You're a young ass, pseudo b-ball fan (and a dumb one at that).
"stats mean a lot, but not everything"
I didn't say they did. Why don't U try paying attention for a change..
"IT IS A TEAM GAME"
We're not discussing the team. We're evaluating the individual players. Again pay attention kid, U just might learn something..
"i can still tell who's better skilled"
Not from 1 game dumb ass..
blackadam06 10 months ago
@blackadam06 OH SO LET'S APPLY THE STATS THING TO WILT?
you can't just shove the team factor moron! they are in a damn team! if you shot more shots in your team, of course you've got great stats! that's called ball hogging! if BALLHOGGING is only what it takes to be GOAT to you.. then you got MJ's dick up your ass so much.. it might have pop your brain!
"Not from 1 game" who said about 1 game? i know what mj and kb's skill set.. and that's how you know who's better..
2IAN4 10 months ago
@2IAN4 Jordan's been a jump shooter his entire career too retard, i was stating that he relied on his jump shot the most from 93 to the end of his career then drivin to the basket. Just cuz u shoot more jumpers doesn't make u a better shooter. He was still consistently shootin jumpers from 85-92 as well but durin that time he knew he could to the basket at will which is a higher % shot so that's y he did that most of the time. Like i said b4 its not like Kobe never drives to the basket.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@hangtime23ful "well but durin that time HE KNEW he could to the basket at will which is a higher % shot so that's y he did that most of the time." so MJ told you this? the way he thought? the reason for RELYING in lay ups??
STOP TALKING OUT OF YOUR ASS DEEPSHIT!
HATE THIS "MJ THOUGHT THIS" BS!
NO HE DIDN'T! AND IF HE DID! YOU WOULDN'T FUCKIN NO!
YOU ACT LIKE THIS IS PROOF OR SOMETHING!
DICK RIDING DUMBASS!
2IAN4 10 months ago
@2IAN4 I'm provin a heck of a lot more then u r. Ur proof callin me dickhead & other childlish names. Kobe's the only guard to ever get drafted outta highschool? So what? That doesn't prove he's a better shooter then Jordan idiot & we weren't even talkin about skills. Haha Jordan has more ast then Kobe despite takin more shots. & Kobe has had more efficient players to pass to his whole career.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@hangtime23ful OH SO YOU'LL COMPLETELY IGNORE THAT YOU'RE ONE OF THOSE FAGGOTS WHO WRITES LIKE "MJ THOUGHT IT WAS BETTER TO DRIVE" - LIKE YOU ASK MJ THAT OR SOMETHING..
prove that he is a better shooter? it's not that hard to fuckin understand.. Mj is a slasher, Kobe shoots more jumpshots! why isn't this simple statement make SENSE to morons like you? oh cause that would make Mj un-GODLIKE.. lol
oh so you can shoot more if you just drop 6 assts? ballhog will always have better stats! IDIOT!
2IAN4 10 months ago
@2IAN4 Prove he's a better shooter? Ok if the fg% inside the arc isn't good enough for u then go watch Jordan games or prove to me Kobe's a better mid range shooter. Quit askin me to prove it when u don't any facts. I show the facts u show the immature attitude. TEX WINTERS TEX WINTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SAYS JORDAN'S A BETTER SHOOTER HE KNOWS WAY MORE THEN U. Get that thru ur stupid lil head.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@hangtime23ful Ok I'll take tex winter's word idiot! now take Phil's word! KOBE HAS BETTER OVERALL BASKETBALL SKILLS! Get that thru ur stupid lil head. OR ARE YOU GONNA TELL ME WHAT PHIL WAS THINKING AGAIN??? THAT'S RIGHT! YOU GOT OWNED!
BY THE WAY I HAVEN'T ASK YOU A DAMN THING! I HAVEN'T ASK ANY PROOF CAUSE I'VE WATCHED MJ A LITTLE OVER HIS PRIME AND NOW KOBE.. and the way kobe shoots the mid-range is A BIT BETTER even just by observing anybody with a BRAIN will notice that!
2IAN4 10 months ago
@2IAN4 I've already said Phil only said that cuz he didn't harm his relationship with Kobe. Phil said Jordan would avg 45ppg today as well as other experts. Gosh i always have to repeat myself to u. If Phil turly thoguht Kobe has better skills then he wouldn't say Jordan would avg 45ppg today. Notice in that vid when he said that Phil talk so much about Jordan & lil about Kobe. He heistated to say that about Kobe. "Umm (clears his throat), he uhh he does umm i think he has some overall"
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@hangtime23ful "I've already said Phil only said that cuz he didn't harm his relationship with Kobe" YOU WANNA PROVE THIS KID? and WILT said he would average 70 now if we're gonna go by the WHAT IF'S then WILT is better..
"Umm (clears his throat), he uhh he does umm i think he has some overall" oh you can read minds..lol
2IAN4 10 months ago
@2IAN4 *don't say
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@2IAN4 Wilt said that about himself nobody else. Other experts said that about Jordan that's the difference. Bruce Blitz puts countless hours on his list or rankings cuz he has a big passion for the game of basketball. He has for over 30 yrs. I don't always agree with em but i respect & value his opinions. I can't respect or even value urs.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@hangtime23ful players he has faced said that about him idiot! and why dismiss it if EXPERTS (which are media analysis tat didn't even play professional bball) didn't think so.. i never listen to so called experts!
Bruce is a dick rider! don't make me tear up with his passion and love for the game BS!
do I look like i care if you start sucking his dick? I wasn't asking if you value his ass moron!
And by the way.. isn't it obvious that I don't RESPECT AND VALUE YOURS MORE??
2IAN4 10 months ago
@2IAN4 Oh yeah & u have more passion & know then Blitz does right? He creates vids & footages in his vids to make his cases of what he believes in. He puts in so much hard work its not even funny.
Bruce Blitz WAY >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> U.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@hangtime23ful LIKE I CARE ABOUT WHAT DICK YOU LOVE MORE!
BRUCE BLITZ: MALONE > KOBE
END OF STORY THE GUY IS A DICKHEAD!
2IAN4 10 months ago
@2IAN4 Have u ever watch a Jordan game b4 or r u too busy drollin over Kobe's bricks? I've seen Kobe's career my whole life & the difference is i'm not bias towards Kobe like u r. & don't i'm bias towards Jordan cuz i'm a suns fan not a bulls fan. I live in ARZ u live california. U will any stupid thing for Kobe's inconsistenty to Jordan.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@hangtime23ful I've said it before! I've watched mj... I was a fan of him before, i used to kill my grandpa over Magic and Mj debates, of course Bird and Magic fan will throw the Ballhog thing at Kobe and Mj, which is also a pretty damn argument.. cause if you're gonna base it PURELY on stats then i think Mj got nothing with WILT and OSCAR.. you average a triple double in seasons or avg 60ppg.. damn! that's pretty badass!
but then again YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSE TO BE BIAS RIGHT? THINK AGAIN DICKHEAD
2IAN4 10 months ago
@2IAN4 Those 2 guys played in super weak any iwht rarely any competition. Oscar only has reb & ast > Jordan. Jordan beats Oscar at win shares, off./def. win shares, win shares per 48 min, stls, blks, ppg, fg%, then Oscar. Wilt's numbers drop big time durin the playoffs when it matters most which is what u will see if u go watch that Jordan vs Wilt vid i gave u.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@hangtime23ful still it's about production and Oscar average a triple double you can't dismiss that. and wilt scores 60pt games like 30 pt games.. I ain't got time for your vids, I watched 1 and it was a BRUCE BLITZ vid, which is stupid as hell.. not the vid though, but that guy is a moron! he has kobe ranked 17 ot 18 or something.. under malone.. fuckin fat ass wannabe expert! even says Lbj is better than kobe..
Like i said.. lbj fans are Mj fans ressurected! dumb as hell!
2IAN4 10 months ago
@2IAN4 Yeah but u can't dimiss the fact of the era those 2 played in. They wouldn't be same players they were in Jordan's era or Kobe's era & everybody knows that. Jordan fans r LeBron fans as well? I could care less for LeBron. Don't make that stupid claim sayin Jordan fans r automatically LeBron fans.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@hangtime23ful Bruce blitz is like a saint to mj fans.. "Malone > Kobe" that bball IQ of his sure is a little skewed.. dumbass fatboy!
2IAN4 10 months ago
@2IAN4 *don't say i'm bias
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@hangtime23ful !clearly you're not.. you just dick ride!
2IAN4 10 months ago
@2IAN4 If they take the same amount of shots Jordan's fg% & ppg would still be higher dude so what's ur point? There's a reason y Jordan shoots more then Kobe. 1 Jordan's team relies on em more then Kobe's team. 2 Jordan can get open looks better & can get shots off better. Smarter player on the offensive end, less torunovers then Kobe as well.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@hangtime23ful "Jordan's team relies on em more then Kobe's team" there's a reason why they call him a ball hog.. that's because he doesn't need to have that many attempts! if his team RELIED on him hogging then nobody would call him that..
Kobe is less of of ballhog, but you call it less helping right?? pfft!
"Jordan can get open looks better & can get shots off better. " so are you gonna just say this or prove it?
pls kobe is the only guy today who can't be stopped..
2IAN4 10 months ago
@2IAN4 Proof? Look at the frickin numbers retard. They show consistency & what u do on the court. Where do u think these number r comin from? Quit denyin the facts & sayin i don't have proof WHEN U HAVEN'T PROVED ANYTIME AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!. Yeah keep callin me dickhead yeah that really proves how much of a better shooter Kobe is.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@hangtime23ful dude i'll keep calling you Dickhead if the word fits! and pls... numbers if only was the proof of GOAT then I'll say wilt and oscar are the best 2 players.. regardless of anything! if you can post numbers like that and your criteria for GOAT is who's got the better stat sheet or more specifically who's the GOAT ballhog.. then I guess Kobe have nothing.. he is probably the 3rd ballhog of alltime, behind Mj and wilt!
Skills? kobe hands down..
2IAN4 10 months ago
@2IAN4 I'm not bias towards Jordan idiot didn't i just tell u i'm not a bulls fan i'm a suns always have been. I live in ARZ u live in L.A. & ur a laker fan. That = Bias for Kobe. Jordan's skills r better then Kobe's sorry dude. Jordan's a better ball handler, Kobe suprass em at turnovers last season which less games played & far less games started then Jordan. Jordan's smarter IQ, better mid range shooter, more consistent, better at gettin seperation, better post up game, better passer.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@2IAN4 U can keep makin excuses all u want its not gonna change facts. Facts r facts whether u wanna accept it or not. Ur name callin isn't increasin Kobe's fg% so i suggest that u swallow ur pride & admit i'm right. If u don't wanna do that then quit postin to me.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@MJisKingKobesuckss Hold up. I know I am a little late getting into this, but is the dude you're fighting with really trying to argue that Kobe is better than Jordan?
davemanley1129 10 months ago
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@2IAN4
"did mj ever where does black leg sleeves that kobe popularize for a while in the NBA"
SMH..kobe's not the one that popularized that, A.I. did.
blackadam06 10 months ago
@blackadam06 leg sleeves? a.i never worn them..
2IAN4 10 months ago