I don't believe that most congressional Republicans CARE what gets cut. They are pushing for unrestrained social Darwinism, knowing that their position at or near the top of the economic strata nearly guarantees that they and their families will do well. The propaganda that they have disseminated so well says that the power of the vote to enrich the fortunes of the poor and working class is wrong, but the use of money power to enrich the rich is OK. Both forms of power must be legitimized.
I'm for the GOP. Give millionaires back exactly what they paid - with reasonable interest and not one cent more when it comes to Social Security, Medicare, VA, any government assistance. I watched a lady that inherited $2 million during her last 6 months of cancer. Medicare paid all her medical bills and she drew a SS check off her husband. She never worked or paid into the system. She died with $2 million dollars in the bank and with America in more debt than any time in history. Reform now!
Liberalviewer.. how quaint to derail the point of our national debt by derailing off to discretionary spending... Which in fact has nothing to do with it. In this country we have 3 things... assets backed by T bills (mostly owned by China) Our deficit, and our Debt. This small cut in discretionary spending has little to do with our overall budget reform. Taxing the rich whom prosper in free enterprise seems to be the only solution? Remember, the top 25% pay 95% of our tax infrastructure.
@Nightsblood192 I call BULLSHIT! China owns less than 8% of our debt buddy. And close, the top 25% pays 86% of the total U.S. tax revenues, but since the top 20% controls roughly 80% of the wealth in this nation it is not a huge surprise that this burden falls mainly on the top 25%!!!! You libertarians are living in fucking fairyland, tax rates are at their lowest levels in 50 years and what did we get? The slowest decade of job creation since the 30's under Bush!
@durhamdf Did I ever mention which proportion China owned in my statement you ignoramus? No I didn't, wow imagine that, actually reading things helps! I'd like to know where you get your figures from, because mine are from IRS tax charts soooo yeah. I'm not a libertarian, you may think they're "in fairyland" but you honestly don't know the first thing when it comes to economics. Slowest decade of job creation? So that means our economy hasn't grown? Do you listen to yourself talk?
@durhamdf Also, China owns a lot more than 8% "buddy" the fact every country in possession of American foreign assets and betting against us, since by year ~2020 our assets will be worth more than double what they're worth and our economy will have grown tremendously, other country's are making a killing off the debt of our dollar, including China. Do your research because the big dogs are talking.
@Nightsblood192 look it up tard, China owns 8% of the debt...buddy. Americans and the fed own more than 60% of the U.S. debt. And social security trust fund controls about 18% of the debt. All of the foreign holdings of U.S. debt make up about 38% of the debt. And I asume you are talking about hyperinflation but if you look at any of the indices you would see inflation is below the average rate. Apparently the "big dog" is a 12 year moron regurgitating bullshit he doesn't understand. now hush
@durhamdf If you look up the assets and circulation according to the fed charts, you'll see how its physically impossible for the fed alone to encompass even half of the debt. China has given trillions in notes in return for a devalued dollar, so you don't know what you're talking about. Just because you can read a graph or a chart doesn't mean you're getting down into the nitty gritty of the subject. Also Obama passed 6 executive orders his first month of presidency so what are you talking abt.
@durhamdf The fact we ship jobs overseas has little to do with the effect jobs have on our economy. The American people need more jobs, but that DOESNT mean our economy is doing poorly.. the two have little to do with each other in comparison. More jobs = more pay for the working class, the working class doesn't = the US economy, so get your shit straight. However our economy is doing quite poorly thanks to government overspending us into the 9th hole of hell, Thanks Obama N Soros.
@Nightsblood192 Macroeconomics 101: Okum's law- For every 1% of unemployment above the natural level (about 5%) we see a GDP gap of 2% below the potential GDP (natural growth rate). That might NOT sound like a lot but considering that the 2008 crash was just a 4% drop in GDP, just two years of stagnation is the equivalent of another crash. Stagnation is a worst case scenario, we NEED jobs. And didn't hear you bitching when Bush was adding what will come out to 5 TRILLION+ to the debt
@durhamdf Define unemployment. Overseas employment still equals employment to the companies they work for. The fact they use practical slave labor from other countries is irrelevant. Our unemployment is extremely high but we would see that drop if our administration would lift the tax and health care restrictions on small businesses. Many of Bush's policies were thrown out after the Obama administration started their reign of terror, we are in the shitter because of government overspending.
@Nightsblood192 hahaha because bush's policies were sooo effective! They only led to the doubling of the national debt after recieving a 300 billion dollar budget surplus from clinton. Deregulated the mortgage industry leading to the creation of small thrift institutions and mortgage companies that were responsible for half of the subprime loans that eventually went into default. And OBama has cut taxes, not raised em get it straight. And I say going from losing 4 million jobs (contd)...
@durhamdf You're not very keen on this subject. We did not have a 300 billion surplus under Clinton, it was basically a bubble that consisted of United States Assets most likely under the Federal reserve. There's no such thing as a mortgage company, that all goes to the bank. It was the federal government that insisted banks to give out loan after loan on bad or no credit. Obama has no cut taxes hence the new health care bill. I'll be paying 9.5% of my income to keep my private health care. lol
@Nightsblood192 I am done arguing with you. You can't even acknowledge basic realitites like Obama cut taxes not raised them. THe only tax increase under the health care bill is that capital gains and dividensds and it is less then a 4% tax! And the stimulus was over 40% targetes tax cuts. Clinton left Bush with a 300 billion dollar BUDGET surplus, not an actual surplus. And what do you mean the by the government turns to the fed for money??? (contd)...
@durhamdf And no, that is not the only tax under the health care bill, unlike you, I actually read it. For any to keep their private insurers you have to pay 9.5% of your yearly income, and that number is still in a position to be raised. The government doesn't print their money, the fed prints the dollar not "money" my bad, and it's called injection of capital into the economy. Clearly I'm not this big retard you try to make me out to be bud.
@Nightsblood192 You're not an idiot, just crazy, and the Fed doesn't print the dollar (currency) either, the treasury does this as I am sure you know. The fed uses basically the same accounting practices that all banks use which can create money. THe Fed is just a huge fucking network of banks. And yes, before the great depression we had massive booms, but we also had MASSIVE busts with 5 depressions in the 19th century. THat was the whole reason Keynesian Economics was created. (contd)...
@durhamdf The fed prints the dollar, profits and securities go to the treasury, this I know, just look up the term they love to use "injection." The fed is pretty much made up of 12 individual bank entities in the US. They pretty much ARE the banks in this country since every bank gets their loans and credit from the fed itself. The fed is also pretty much in charge of our country's monetary flow, it's the reason it was created.
@Nightsblood192 Again, the Fed doesn't actually print anything, you. Only the Treasury has the power of the actual printing press. And yes, the Fed facilitates overnight loans between banks, and this is how every modern country on the planet opperates. WIth a Central bank that influences interest rates and controls the reserve requirement and facilitates loans between banks. Look at the list of countries without central banks: Cuba, Iran, libya, Sudan, North Korea, Panama, Monaco, and Andorra!
@durhamdf The fed does have printing power, however the treasury actually prints bank notes to give to the fed in return for actual money aka the fed purchases treasury debt. I should have clarified that while the fed doesn't "print" money per sey, it does create currency by giving the banks liquidity through a fractional reserve banking system.
@Nightsblood192 (contd)... The Treasury has the power to decide when to print currency, the Fed has absolutely no say in this other than it is a large financial institution whose opinion is often valued like all major financial institutions. And the treasury doesn't just "give" the fed new currency, the vast majority of currency printed by the Bureau of Engraving and printing is simply to replace old currency removed from circulation. THe money supply is regulated through open market operations.
@durhamdf The fact its zero risk is the reason why any foreign country in possession of US assets are betting against those who say the value will go down, since by 2020 our assets are estimated to nearly double or so in value due to our expanding economy, it's an article I read a few days ago actually. Also you see all these cash 4 gold people on the TV, during times like these when inflation seems like an imminent probability, gold will always find its place as the "go to guy."
@Nightsblood192 Actually look it up, demand for U.S. treasuries is still pretty damn high considering the political theatrics with the debt ceiling. And I would like to read that article if you could throw me a link. And yes, gold will always go through the roof in recessions, the bigger the recession, the bigger the spike. A lot of that is caused by alarmists preaching a collapse of the dollar when inflation is currently very mild. I will be shorting gold the second I see good jobs numbers.
@durhamdf Yeah here you go, it's not the same article because I can't remember the site I read it from, came across it on a random google search. This one pretty much explains it well though: It's on the bloomberg website the article is titled "Global Demand for U.S. Assets Rose $23.6B in May." Still trying to find the original article though.
@Nightsblood192 thanks, but it seems that article said basically what I just said, which is that demand for U.S. treasuries and u.s. corporate bonds is still high, largely because the situation in Europe is even worse. If investors thought that inflation was imminent in the U.S. there is no way they would continue to invest in U.S. treasuries.
@override367 Why? If countries are willing to pick up u.s. treasuries with 0 interest (when you figure in inflation) then why wouldn't we take advantage of this? The world buys U.S. treasuries because they are still essentially 0 risk which is huge in a global recession. We HAVE been imposing austerity for the past year...look how well that has worked. We are cutting the same number of public sector jobs as we are creating in the private sector giving us this lovely stagnation and GDP gap
@durhamdf Fact is, a lot of the "money" that say for example the banks loan out isn't even real money, which is what people mean by backing it up on a gold standard. Since the fed only has 11 billion in gold, we back up our debt with our assets, which the fed estimated the asset value of American households and companies ~ 53 trillion.
@Nightsblood192 I understand that most money isn't actual currency, that is my point, the Fed just uses the same accounting practices that all banks use to create money, the Fed is just a huge bank group. THe only unique power of the Fed is the ability to set the reserrve requirement. Everything else is just open market operations. Really our debt is only backed up by the promise to repay. Asset backing is unecessary since we have never defaulted which is why our loans are considered zero risk
@Nightsblood192 (contd)... Since Keynesian Economics was adopted, we went from a volatile middle of the pack economy to the economic hegemon of the planet with none of the banks runs, massive panics, or depressions we saw under the sole care of the invisible hand. THis recession was the greatest threat to the financial backbone of this country since the great depression. (contd)...
@Nightsblood192 (contd)...Obama and Bernanke's keynesian policies have done a pretty damn good job of avoiding the tent cities, soup lines and massive deflation that we saw when the free marketers of the early 20th century were in charge. As for this mystery 9.5% tax in Obamacare that only you know about because you read the entire thousand page bill, cite your source because you know the bill so well. Do you mean you will be taxed if you don't get insurance through your employer? Elaborate pls.
@Nightsblood192 (contd)... THe fact is only 7.5% u.s. debt is held by china so your claim that "most" of our debt is owned by China was just ass backwards wrong. And you will be lucky as hell to keep the ratio you have for another year since insurance premiums have been inflating for a decade at double the rate of inflation! The mortage companies that the CFMA created originated half of the toxic loans! Your answer is to return to the failed policies of the great depression and impose austerity?
@durhamdf I never said Bush's policies were effective for one, and two I never mentioned taxes. You're bringing up 8 different subjects when the point is just about one.. and the fact you're just saying this or that at random doesn't mean you're exactly right, because all of what you said makes no sense. The only reason our housing market didn't crumble is because our corrupt government covered up its mistake and the fed bought out nearly half of the indebted loans given out.
@durhamdf Also yeah, no shit America comprises most of its debt, we have already sold off our own assets back by notes and T-bills for foreign markets to invest and make capital off of by the time we're climbing out of this hell hole. That doesn't mean America "OWNS" the debt you ignoramus, its collateral, our assets for their money.
@Nightsblood192 (contd)... in 4 months when Obama first took office, before any of his policies could take any effect at all, to ending the recession in a year and a half is pretty damn good. And it hasn't helped that republicans all apparently failed economics in college and have decided to go against the overwhelming majority of experts and demand austerity especially at the local level. THAT IS WHAT ERODES CONFIDENCE THAT THE MARKET WILL REBOUND! (contd)...
@durhamdf What you and your ilk fail to realize is the amount of money we don't even have that our government spends, and they turn right to the federal reserve for more. However as fate would have it, the cycle has to end somewhere or the value of our dollar delfates and our economy as a whole goes into recession hence our recession NOW to this day and the economic markets of the world in hold of foreign us assets. Republicans have nothing to do with the fact the gov spends us into oblivion.
@durhamdf If you're somehow justifying this 10 trillion dollar hole by alluding to the great depression then there's no hope for you. The depression and todays recession aren't caused by the same evils, although they seem to bargain with each other quite a lot. The government spending trillions of doesn't have does not = Federal reserve actions on the circulation of money...
@Nightsblood192 (contd)... Look what happened in the great depression. We had a slow recovery (slow due to the fact that the fed was limited by the gold standard) untill 36. In 37 conservative morons demanded austerity, the federal government cut spending like crazy and we crashed back down into anothr 3 year depression! Seriously kid, take ONE economics class. We have a demand shortage right now, companies are siting on record treasury holdings just wating for demand to pick up.
@durhamdf You're telling me to take an economics class when you probably don't even know the definition of the word? The great depression BTW was due to the federal reserve as they caused an influx of the US dollar in the economy, then took it back out of circulation in such a short amount of time, that in essence the value of the dollar would rise, but banks failed to give out sufficient funds for citizens and brokers hence our depression. I think you need the economics class "kid."
@Nightsblood192 And how the fuck could the fed create an influcx of the dollar in the great depression when the dollar was pegged to the gold standard. THey couldn't print money because they would need to aquire more gold to back these dollars. THAT IS WHY WE HAD MASSIVE DEFLATION IN THE GREAT DEPRESSION NOT INFLATION NUM NUTS. And why is it that the overwhelming majority of economists support expansionary policy in recesions? Wat are you one of those retard Austrian schoolers?
@durhamdf Not during the great depression "Numb nuts" if you knew how to read, and picked up a book once in awhile, you'd know that before the depression our free markets were making insane amounts of money, and brokers were making fortunes. However when the fed took many unit of the dollar out of circulation (Maybe in hopes of an inflation, but instead caused a deflation as you bluntly put it) however there wasn't enough money in circ. to pay everyone looking to get paid off their investments.
Liberalviewer are you out of touch. seriously, 14 trillion dollar debt and rising and your not willing to cut Entitlement which is 39% of our federal spending. I guess people are too attach to their sacred cows to realize that we have a spending problem and not a revenue problem.
Moreover, I think the best part is cutting Medicare but I would sure be glad of things like the department of Energy and Education disappeared. I can't think of anything that could possibly be more of a waste. Neither Energy nor Eduction can be said to be going in the right direction.
@Neosaigo And that's what the departments do according to you, because of what, their names?
Department of education is simply a federal beast that destroys education. Department of energy basically gives corproate subsidies and make sure the US can be lobbied for energy contracts.
Yes, scinece is the future, neither of these programs have anything to do with science. I know these programs are worthless.
I acutally think your comment was hilarious, but then again I'm not a statist boob.
@Visfen Actually have you seen the Progressive caucus budget plan? It is actually the only fiscally responsible plan on the table, but gets no coverage.
It brings the debt down faster than any plan and everyone pays their fair share whether it is rich or middle class and stops the tax breaks and welfare programs for corporations.
Progressive Caucus Budget > Obama Budget > Ryan Budget.
@Neosaigo Yes I've seen it, they try to balance the budget by racing taxes on rich people. Completely moronic, will make the economy even worse than it is now, not that it is doing well now.
Fair share? You already have the most progressive tax system in the west which diverts from savings and investment into consumption for dumb poor people. You want more of that? Good luck.
For me it goes:
Obama budget < Payl Ryan Budget < Rand Paul budget < Elimnate the government alltogether
Liberalviewer, you're being intellectually dishonest here. You keep talking about "tax cuts for the rich". You ignore the fact that this budget includes tax reform!
This means that there is no tax cut. Tax rates are lowered, while deductions and exemptions are closed. No revenue is lost!
By the way, economists accross the spectrum agree that lower tax rates and a simplified tax system is preferable.
I know you will all hate more for this but even as a liberal I think we need to cut spending a lot more than my counterparts do. To me it seems like both sides just dont get it. This deficit will have terrible consequences on our kids futures. We need BOTH sides to support cutting spending AND raising taxes. Not just raising taxes like the Democrats want or just cutting spending like the Repubs.
@Djarms67 How about starting with our defense spending., cutting foreign aid, cutting federal(State too on a state level) employee benefits, are you kidding I could go on all day with things to cut.
@rtnash420 I remember paul once said I do not want cut defense but with a military industrial complex Most that spending is not really for defense. Yeah their is a lot of room to cut defense spending without cutting real defense. I willing to get rid of the department of education, commerce, privatize social security medicare and medicaid. We could also sell off a lot of government land. I would also privatize the post office. oh get rid all subsidy.
@TheDeadEndWins Yeah I should go tell ducks that politics in the U.S. is getting old, or maybe people that don't talk about politics in America, maybe they will care. There is a shit ton of political news to be covered that is far less stupid than U.S. mainstream media.
The tax cuts for the rich is probably the worst idea. The reasoning behind it is somewhat valid, but most people receiving the tax cuts use the extra cash to buy luxury homes and cars, and go on expensive retreats. Bush's tax cuts for the rich destroyed the surplus America had in the 90's and left us with more than $1 trillion in debt!
Of course, because when we don't spend money on bridges, they don't get built, do they? It's not like there's an entire private market totally capable of getting the job done
The ONLY way to bring jobs back to America is to lower the minimum wage to $2/hr.
This is the only way we can compete with China. Paul Ryan and my fellow republicans need to act on this now. Employers also should not have to carry the burdern of paying for health care either. Go get em Paul!
its good to ask what's getting cut. its also good to cut. i think the answer is to create ways for programs to support them selfs. example school classes could create their own business's relevant to what's being taught that would generate money for improved classrooms wile giving real world experience to its students
@purpleCupfish OMG.......SELVES, WHILE. SCHOOL! We keep forgetting we are in this situation because the Republican party loves deregulation and tax cuts for the uber rich. We as a society deserve better...The "Trickle Down" experiment did not work! The top 1% of the U.S. now have more than 50% of all the wealth. This is unsustainable. Their tax rate should go back to (at least) pre-bush rates, which is only 3% more. For chrissakes this is nothing to them and everything to the bottom 90%
@tenacity0818 you know having a mind for perfect spelling and conjugation only shows you would make a good hard drive. your thoughts show just as much in that they sound like some thing that was written into your head and not your own
@tenacity0818 Percent this and percent that. if you wish to have wealth that is not your own you should don a mask and blade and take it yourself. how is money in the hands of any one but the people going to help anything but the goverment which you wish to give it to. who will spend it on war and subjugation
@purpleCupfish Whatever. This is not about %. It is about lies. (1) We were told not to worry about manufacturing jobs leaving the country, because we were going to have the cushy "service" jobs. So go ahead and call almost any company for "service" and you won't be speaking to an American. (2) The infrastructure of this country makes it possible for many of these corporations to flurish, yet we have to pay for that with our taxes (look at any utility bill they charge it back to us).
@purpleCupfish (3) The last time income disparity was this wide we had the "Great Depression". (4) Corporations get more in welfare than most citizens living below the poverty line. (5) You should not have profit driven schools, police, prisons, healthcare etcetera (if you need me to explain why...then you are beyond help. (6) The Bush tax breaks only shifted money to the top, they should have been named as a tax spending bill. (7) Maybe you are just a neocon troll, so just leave me alone.
Maybe if we get the money back from BP who destroyed the economy of the Gulf Coast fishing and tourist industry, Blackwater (or whatever the call themselves today) and Cheney's company who overcharged us in the Middle East wars. Take it from the oil companies that make record profits in the world and get tax subsidies on top of it, and the top 1% who have more than they could ever spend in their lifetime. Take the money not used for actual health care by the health insurance companies. Cut wars
All i know is my Pell grant for next year has already been cut by$300, that is money I rely on to pay for an education, which the gov. will get back by the taxes i will pay in the future. Meanwhile we are building hospitals and schools in afghanistan for people that hate us, at a rate of ten billion dollars per month.
Get your government hands off my Medicare! Unless you're a republican, then you can slash it all and I'll be ok with it because I'm too ignorant to understand and I'll blame obama anyway.
In regards to your last question, eliminating all the answers in the way you phrased it except for the answers you want to hear is telling about your ability to formulate defenses. It's like asking someone on the stand, "Do you still beat your wife? Yes or no." I've eliminated the ability to answer truthfully.
Ignoring your predetermined answers, I believe that any of those three answers can't be worse than the current dem "budget cuts" that will bankrupt all three programs in the end.
@tracer740 Lol I love when people make corrections on words that are totally unambiguous in content. Thanks anyway though, grammar Nazi. I have never once read or heard of someone referring to "rich" as being able to afford basic living expenses, let along "most citizens". Not sure what the point of your post was; didn't add any relevant... Good day.
@friendlyfire53 -My heartfelt apology if you've inferred I was attempting to correct your grammar. You asked 2 excellent questions and made 1 statement. Regarding your 2nd question, the 'rich' actually do pay a larger 'percentage' (resulting dollar amt) in taxes even when an identical percent (rate) is applied. Regarding your stmt, the rate(percent) of Americans who pay no taxes is small, tho the percentage (actual resultant number of persons) may be quite large. Peace... no Nazi here, honest
While the "2/3s of a bridge" thing is cute satire, it is ultimately unrealistic, and to think that reducing discretionary spending by more than 50% is worse than the other problems in the Ryan budget is absurd. Both Medicare cuts and massive tax cuts for the rich are far worse sins within the budget, particularly the tax cuts. While building half a bridge is unrealistic, those tax cuts somehow balancing the budget is even moreso.
@Leedark3 I think what particularly irks me is that the GOP goes on a spending craze when they get into power, running our economy into the ground with their cute tax cuts and breaks. THEN, when we're in a jam, ask the Democratic party to cut all of -their- positions to pay for it. (Planned Parenthood, etc. etc.)
While the tax break for the rich is totally the big elephant in the room that the republicans don't want to people to notice. Trickle-down (Supply-sided) economics does not work in term of the greater good for all americans
ha ha ha, you f'n dimwits. Your govt is sticking it to you big time for the benefit of its members and "sponsors"(and i dont mean the real sponsor, you - the tax payer). And the most proactive of you have a "I dont know, i mean it just doesnt seem right" reaction. The rest dont even give a shit because their team is playing this week end, giving them a chance to chant "USA -USA -USA". And the other half will say "this is AMERICA, our govt does the right thing, you just dont get it." F'n sheep
@ih8numberinusernames the bad thing is really in the end it doesn't even help them.Without a big portion of the population rich enough to buy things outside of necessity we will never get out this recession we're in.They are creating the very problem (I can only assume) they would want to fix.Recessions are not good for anyone rich or poor.Paying employees more to even out the standard of living here in America would go a long way to fixing this problem but they just don't see it.
Tax cuts are pretty bad. It kind of defeats the purpose of making budget cuts if taxes are decreased for the wealthy. It's almost as though Paul Ryan wants to take money from the poor, sick, and elderly and give it to the rich. How does this make any sense at all? This is the ultimate redistribution of wealth. Actually, no sane American could support this bill.
i see what life is now. a battle of smart people vs idiots for control of the world. why havent the smart people won yet? they will, eventually, its just that there are so many idiots.
The Republicans and Democrats just flip flop on issues. When it's a Republican president the Democrats are against almost everything and vice versa. Both parties are literally the same, except for the special interests they serve. The defused interests of the average American are rarely heard, otherwise I think left and the right could find more common ground. Politics is about beliefs, not facts, no exceptions.
@groam6666 Hell no, both parties aren't the same. One is a backward, dogmatic, homophobic and established party full of rich redneck estate inherited bigots. The other is a socially progressive, ideologically stable and middle class driven party. To say they are both same is to say fox news is equal to msnbc. It's also like saying atheism is a religion. When something represents totally opposite of something else, it literally means they are OPPOSITES, not the same. Republicans leaders are evil!
well i like how when obama cuts medicare hes hitler but when republicans do it they are saving america it shows exactly how little they belive in and just wat theyll do stay in power
Cutting Medicare is the most morally wrong and ideological idea, giving tax breaks to the wealthy is the most wasteful, and cutting discretionary spending is the most ignorant, since given the lack of civic knowledge displayed by guys like Cantor, they most likely have no idea what it actually is.
America DOES have a REVENUE problem which SHOULD be a matter of NATIONAL SECURITY. Since Reagan, REPUBLICAN CLOWN GOD, the GOP AGENDA++ has been to REDUCE REVENUE in order to facilitate PRIVATIZATION or ELIMINATION of programs such as MEDICARE,SOCIAL SECURITY,UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS& others.PRIVATIZATION would be followed by an INCREASE in the costs of these services thus generating HUGE PROFITS at citizens' expense. ``INSTEAD of generating revenue REPUBLICAN$ want the NEEDIEST to do with LESS.
@waltermh111 First of all: I am a Norwegian, so it's not so that I watch American news-shows on TV like you do. Second; if it's so that only those making more than 250k a year are to have their taxes raised; then you won't notice that at all in terms of reducing the budget deficit. If you want to make a dent, you need to cut defence by _at least_ 30 % and introduce a higher Value Added Tax (VAT). For example 20 % on all goods and services.
We need to cut military by 50%, medicare by 50%, and END socialism security... Anything less will spell the end of America as we know it. The dollar is crashing. Tax & Spend libtards will drive this nation into the ground.
Democrats and Republicans are different on social issues, nothing else. All this nonsense about their focus on budgets is their way of cutting liberal progressive programs. Republicans never cared for budget issues when Bush was in office with a surplus. If there is one group that is beyond hope when it comes to moral progress, it is Republican leaders. They have one thing in mind and it is to satisfy their corporate lobbyists. Poor middle class Republicans, they are just confused people.
@sh00008 I take offense to that. We Republicans are smarter than any of you guys. It's the old and young who are confused. Pray to Jesus that you may be saved.
@ioneipp Republican leaders are money hungry corporate bought immoral douche bags. Either you guys are stupid, uninformed or are just confused little people, because they are using the government platform for corporate agenda. They do nothing for the middle class or lower. If only middle and lower class republicans understood the irony. Republican leaders use social issues to get the platform and when they reach the platform they only work for millionaires, billionaires and large corporations.
@sh00008 I can say the same thing about democrats. What's with Obama and GE? He say they should pay taxes, then the GE CEO becomes Obama's right hand man. Democrats say they're for the middle class but what have they done. They helped the rich get richer that's what. More bailout money. At least republicans are honest.
@ioneipp hahahahaha Republicans are honest--that's a joke. I think both parties have whored themselves to big money interests--but the Republicans have done it to a much greater extent.
@bashia You obviously don't know your history. The Republican platform has always been help the rich. They didn't change at all. It liberals who keep flip-flopping.
@ioneipp Not sure what I said that contradicts that. Of course the liberals keep flip--flopping. The only way they can get re-elected is to whore themselves to big money interests and betray the party platform. Republicans are just totally aligned with big money interests. But lie they do because the only way they can get the rest of us to vote for them is to misrepresent their intent. And I'm not referring to history here, because before Reagan, the Republican party was much more liberal.
@ioneipp You're right about dems not fighting & standing for the middle class. Regarding GE and Obama: 1st: GE makes wind and solar panels. They are also contributing to making high speed trains, which will add many jobs in US (technical and manufacturing). That's why GE CEO is with Obama and funding campaign in 2008 & 2012. And 2nd: GE got $14 billion and paid no taxes because of GOP supported tax loopholes, which Dems want to reform or completely get rid of.
@ioneipp Look at what Republican governors are doing with unions, unions that are made up of the middle class. Why do these Republican governors care so much about breaking unions and getting rid of collective bargaining? Because their fat cat lobbyists of multi-billion dollar corporations desire that.The whole republican party at every issue functions to satisfy big corporations. Democrats at least are able to create some programs for middle class, give me a program Republican leaders created?
@sh00008 Unions are the fat-cat lobbyists. Collective bargaining is a monopoly on workers. You have to pay $1000 to the union if you want work. They get generous pensions yet double dip on social security. Unions are only looking out for themselves. You said it your-self, republicans help big corporations. With oil and farm subsidies, they create jobs. Manufacturing went to china but it opened up the service industry with better pay. You are confused or too stupid to see the truth.
@ioneipp Collective bargaining, like Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare, are all programs that exists because the poor, old and the sick can easily be taken advantage of by greedy factory owners and insurance agencies. Collective bargaining is the result of great deal of struggles to raise minimum wage, horrible working conditions and to end child labor during the depression era. Like slavery, we won that heartfelt battle and you want us to go back. Shame on you! Republicans are fools!
@sh00008 Democrats are fools. They include the many who don't need help with the few that do. A one-size fit all plan funded by tax payers. Do you really want to pay for rich old people to have a social life at the doctors? Medicare makes that possible. 30% of waste. Old people are taking in 2-3 times more than they paid in. Many don't know what a CHIP is which help kids. You are the one who is taking us back by stealing from the young and poor to give to the old and rich. Double dip everywhere
The tax cuts are bad, but I might have to say the block grants are equally bad just because Scott Walker defended them in the NYTimes today-- you know nothing good will come of that if he's arguing for them. Actually, I see nothing good in Ryan's "Path to Poverty". I say we tax Wall Street returns by the amount of time they hold on to them-- 99% for 1 sec or less, 94% for 1 min or less, 89% for one hr or less and on down the scale. I'd just like to see the look on the pricks faces...
The last time the centralized gov't of a great empire ended & all aspects of life were PRIVATIZED was the middle ages. CIVIC accomplishments like well-policed roads, running water; courts & sewers that made commerce, travel & public health possible fell apart as nobody maintained them. Result: a population kept ignorant by the church (MEDIA) oppressed by feudal barons (CORPORATIONS) & decimated by plague. This is what moron libertarians let the KOCH bros indoctrinate them into wanting.
@8DX : there is really nothing "odd" about the gold standard - except that the progressives are very much afraid of any hard asset backed currency b/c it stops them from going berserk on progressives warfare and welfare state.
@tooltalk How about getting out of the 60's and joining us in reality. Progressives are not for warfare. You also ignore the fear corporations would have not having billion dollar loans for start-ups and lobbying.
@sabiki74 : eh? Welcome to the 21st century! That's pretty odd considering that there's only deafening silence against Obama's recent invasion on Libya (or Clinton's Balkan intervention) among the same progressives - who ironically seem to spend more time defending Obama from the GOP's ridiculing than speaking out against Obama's war.
Progressives are not for conservative's warfare; vice versa (you know conservatives weren't so crazy about Clinton's war either)
shuxXX!!, btw add me at pocoYot.com , there is an activity and update stream of connecting dots(friends) & can see and respond to amongst each other, along other interactive activities to engage in such as media, apps and a searching tab to locate other dots. While the system will automatically suggest "dots you may know", according to your personal demographics, one can still search for others through the use of a name or email address.
@PlanetOfTheAtheist Those that claim the GOP have the American people's interest at heart are misinformed. Those that vote them into power even more so. Their only goals are to give large corporations and the rich every advantage they can, via tax breaks, deregulation, activist judges, "tort reform" so they can't even be sued, bail outs, government loan guarantees... you name it. It's too bad Obama and the Democrats are complicit 3/4 of the time.
What do you expect from people who idolize a serial killer? (Rand had a thing for one William Edward Hickman and the way "[o]ther people [did] not exist for him".)
@OldNick612 you can level wimpiness by the idle threats they throw out in an online forum. "i'd kick your ass if i saw you in person." BS!!! you're a bitch. you've always been a bitch. and you will always be a bitch. now piss off. i'm sure you have lots of term papers to grade and a lecture to give. i mean, you are a professor, aren't you?
@OldNick612 wow! another gem of an argument that really displays your academic prowess! i'm impressed more and more with each comment. you must be an ivy league professor.
@OldNick612 Agreed. I am just waiting for his comparison of multi-party democratic republics being compared to the most horrible dictatorships, you know "Statism! it's only a matter of degree!" lol
@OldNick612 "I teach this shit at the University level" of course you do. when you realize your arguments are crap... try to impress the opposition by throwing out claims to boost your credibility. sure your arguments suck ass, but hey, you're a professor so you must be right. nice try, idiot.
@OldNick612 jesus christ, you're dense!!! i'm done with you, because you're not even paying attention. i said the powers of gov't are enumerated in the constitution. predictably, you responded with art1sec8, to which i referred to the federalist papers, so you could understand what was meant by the term general welfare. now, if you don't have the sense to know that there was a specific interpretation to what it meant, and you think that it can be interpreted in any way (cont.)
@cristoballs then there is no point arguing with you. your entire philosophy of what the goverment has the power to do, lies in the fact that you think the term general welfare is a term that was intentionally left vague so as to give congress as much power as possible. and i just can't reason with stupidity like that.
I don't believe that most congressional Republicans CARE what gets cut. They are pushing for unrestrained social Darwinism, knowing that their position at or near the top of the economic strata nearly guarantees that they and their families will do well. The propaganda that they have disseminated so well says that the power of the vote to enrich the fortunes of the poor and working class is wrong, but the use of money power to enrich the rich is OK. Both forms of power must be legitimized.
pdoylemi 1 month ago
If you are afraid of "class war" don't cut social services. Look at our violent labor history. . .
cupcakePLUR 3 months ago
They need to specify because it looks like a ploy just to make Conservatives look smart..... & tax cuts on the rich just don't make sense.
JTurner427 6 months ago
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I'm for the GOP. Give millionaires back exactly what they paid - with reasonable interest and not one cent more when it comes to Social Security, Medicare, VA, any government assistance. I watched a lady that inherited $2 million during her last 6 months of cancer. Medicare paid all her medical bills and she drew a SS check off her husband. She never worked or paid into the system. She died with $2 million dollars in the bank and with America in more debt than any time in history. Reform now!
vechorik 6 months ago
Liberalviewer.. how quaint to derail the point of our national debt by derailing off to discretionary spending... Which in fact has nothing to do with it. In this country we have 3 things... assets backed by T bills (mostly owned by China) Our deficit, and our Debt. This small cut in discretionary spending has little to do with our overall budget reform. Taxing the rich whom prosper in free enterprise seems to be the only solution? Remember, the top 25% pay 95% of our tax infrastructure.
Nightsblood192 7 months ago
@Nightsblood192 I call BULLSHIT! China owns less than 8% of our debt buddy. And close, the top 25% pays 86% of the total U.S. tax revenues, but since the top 20% controls roughly 80% of the wealth in this nation it is not a huge surprise that this burden falls mainly on the top 25%!!!! You libertarians are living in fucking fairyland, tax rates are at their lowest levels in 50 years and what did we get? The slowest decade of job creation since the 30's under Bush!
durhamdf 7 months ago
@durhamdf Did I ever mention which proportion China owned in my statement you ignoramus? No I didn't, wow imagine that, actually reading things helps! I'd like to know where you get your figures from, because mine are from IRS tax charts soooo yeah. I'm not a libertarian, you may think they're "in fairyland" but you honestly don't know the first thing when it comes to economics. Slowest decade of job creation? So that means our economy hasn't grown? Do you listen to yourself talk?
Nightsblood192 7 months ago
@durhamdf Also, China owns a lot more than 8% "buddy" the fact every country in possession of American foreign assets and betting against us, since by year ~2020 our assets will be worth more than double what they're worth and our economy will have grown tremendously, other country's are making a killing off the debt of our dollar, including China. Do your research because the big dogs are talking.
Nightsblood192 7 months ago
@Nightsblood192 look it up tard, China owns 8% of the debt...buddy. Americans and the fed own more than 60% of the U.S. debt. And social security trust fund controls about 18% of the debt. All of the foreign holdings of U.S. debt make up about 38% of the debt. And I asume you are talking about hyperinflation but if you look at any of the indices you would see inflation is below the average rate. Apparently the "big dog" is a 12 year moron regurgitating bullshit he doesn't understand. now hush
durhamdf 7 months ago
@durhamdf If you look up the assets and circulation according to the fed charts, you'll see how its physically impossible for the fed alone to encompass even half of the debt. China has given trillions in notes in return for a devalued dollar, so you don't know what you're talking about. Just because you can read a graph or a chart doesn't mean you're getting down into the nitty gritty of the subject. Also Obama passed 6 executive orders his first month of presidency so what are you talking abt.
Nightsblood192 7 months ago
@durhamdf The fact we ship jobs overseas has little to do with the effect jobs have on our economy. The American people need more jobs, but that DOESNT mean our economy is doing poorly.. the two have little to do with each other in comparison. More jobs = more pay for the working class, the working class doesn't = the US economy, so get your shit straight. However our economy is doing quite poorly thanks to government overspending us into the 9th hole of hell, Thanks Obama N Soros.
Nightsblood192 7 months ago
@Nightsblood192 Macroeconomics 101: Okum's law- For every 1% of unemployment above the natural level (about 5%) we see a GDP gap of 2% below the potential GDP (natural growth rate). That might NOT sound like a lot but considering that the 2008 crash was just a 4% drop in GDP, just two years of stagnation is the equivalent of another crash. Stagnation is a worst case scenario, we NEED jobs. And didn't hear you bitching when Bush was adding what will come out to 5 TRILLION+ to the debt
durhamdf 7 months ago
@durhamdf Define unemployment. Overseas employment still equals employment to the companies they work for. The fact they use practical slave labor from other countries is irrelevant. Our unemployment is extremely high but we would see that drop if our administration would lift the tax and health care restrictions on small businesses. Many of Bush's policies were thrown out after the Obama administration started their reign of terror, we are in the shitter because of government overspending.
Nightsblood192 7 months ago
@Nightsblood192 hahaha because bush's policies were sooo effective! They only led to the doubling of the national debt after recieving a 300 billion dollar budget surplus from clinton. Deregulated the mortgage industry leading to the creation of small thrift institutions and mortgage companies that were responsible for half of the subprime loans that eventually went into default. And OBama has cut taxes, not raised em get it straight. And I say going from losing 4 million jobs (contd)...
durhamdf 7 months ago
@durhamdf You're not very keen on this subject. We did not have a 300 billion surplus under Clinton, it was basically a bubble that consisted of United States Assets most likely under the Federal reserve. There's no such thing as a mortgage company, that all goes to the bank. It was the federal government that insisted banks to give out loan after loan on bad or no credit. Obama has no cut taxes hence the new health care bill. I'll be paying 9.5% of my income to keep my private health care. lol
Nightsblood192 7 months ago
@Nightsblood192 I am done arguing with you. You can't even acknowledge basic realitites like Obama cut taxes not raised them. THe only tax increase under the health care bill is that capital gains and dividensds and it is less then a 4% tax! And the stimulus was over 40% targetes tax cuts. Clinton left Bush with a 300 billion dollar BUDGET surplus, not an actual surplus. And what do you mean the by the government turns to the fed for money??? (contd)...
durhamdf 7 months ago
@durhamdf And no, that is not the only tax under the health care bill, unlike you, I actually read it. For any to keep their private insurers you have to pay 9.5% of your yearly income, and that number is still in a position to be raised. The government doesn't print their money, the fed prints the dollar not "money" my bad, and it's called injection of capital into the economy. Clearly I'm not this big retard you try to make me out to be bud.
Nightsblood192 7 months ago
@Nightsblood192 You're not an idiot, just crazy, and the Fed doesn't print the dollar (currency) either, the treasury does this as I am sure you know. The fed uses basically the same accounting practices that all banks use which can create money. THe Fed is just a huge fucking network of banks. And yes, before the great depression we had massive booms, but we also had MASSIVE busts with 5 depressions in the 19th century. THat was the whole reason Keynesian Economics was created. (contd)...
durhamdf 7 months ago
@durhamdf The fed prints the dollar, profits and securities go to the treasury, this I know, just look up the term they love to use "injection." The fed is pretty much made up of 12 individual bank entities in the US. They pretty much ARE the banks in this country since every bank gets their loans and credit from the fed itself. The fed is also pretty much in charge of our country's monetary flow, it's the reason it was created.
Nightsblood192 7 months ago
@Nightsblood192 Again, the Fed doesn't actually print anything, you. Only the Treasury has the power of the actual printing press. And yes, the Fed facilitates overnight loans between banks, and this is how every modern country on the planet opperates. WIth a Central bank that influences interest rates and controls the reserve requirement and facilitates loans between banks. Look at the list of countries without central banks: Cuba, Iran, libya, Sudan, North Korea, Panama, Monaco, and Andorra!
durhamdf 7 months ago
@durhamdf The fed does have printing power, however the treasury actually prints bank notes to give to the fed in return for actual money aka the fed purchases treasury debt. I should have clarified that while the fed doesn't "print" money per sey, it does create currency by giving the banks liquidity through a fractional reserve banking system.
Nightsblood192 7 months ago
@Nightsblood192 (contd)... The Treasury has the power to decide when to print currency, the Fed has absolutely no say in this other than it is a large financial institution whose opinion is often valued like all major financial institutions. And the treasury doesn't just "give" the fed new currency, the vast majority of currency printed by the Bureau of Engraving and printing is simply to replace old currency removed from circulation. THe money supply is regulated through open market operations.
durhamdf 7 months ago
@durhamdf The fact its zero risk is the reason why any foreign country in possession of US assets are betting against those who say the value will go down, since by 2020 our assets are estimated to nearly double or so in value due to our expanding economy, it's an article I read a few days ago actually. Also you see all these cash 4 gold people on the TV, during times like these when inflation seems like an imminent probability, gold will always find its place as the "go to guy."
Nightsblood192 7 months ago
@Nightsblood192 Actually look it up, demand for U.S. treasuries is still pretty damn high considering the political theatrics with the debt ceiling. And I would like to read that article if you could throw me a link. And yes, gold will always go through the roof in recessions, the bigger the recession, the bigger the spike. A lot of that is caused by alarmists preaching a collapse of the dollar when inflation is currently very mild. I will be shorting gold the second I see good jobs numbers.
durhamdf 7 months ago
@durhamdf Yeah here you go, it's not the same article because I can't remember the site I read it from, came across it on a random google search. This one pretty much explains it well though: It's on the bloomberg website the article is titled "Global Demand for U.S. Assets Rose $23.6B in May." Still trying to find the original article though.
Nightsblood192 7 months ago
@Nightsblood192 thanks, but it seems that article said basically what I just said, which is that demand for U.S. treasuries and u.s. corporate bonds is still high, largely because the situation in Europe is even worse. If investors thought that inflation was imminent in the U.S. there is no way they would continue to invest in U.S. treasuries.
durhamdf 7 months ago
@durhamdf At current rates unless inflation stops, countries are paying the united states to take their money
9% unemployment, free money, boy sure sounds like the time for austerity amirite
override367 3 months ago
@override367 Why? If countries are willing to pick up u.s. treasuries with 0 interest (when you figure in inflation) then why wouldn't we take advantage of this? The world buys U.S. treasuries because they are still essentially 0 risk which is huge in a global recession. We HAVE been imposing austerity for the past year...look how well that has worked. We are cutting the same number of public sector jobs as we are creating in the private sector giving us this lovely stagnation and GDP gap
durhamdf 3 months ago
@durhamdf Fact is, a lot of the "money" that say for example the banks loan out isn't even real money, which is what people mean by backing it up on a gold standard. Since the fed only has 11 billion in gold, we back up our debt with our assets, which the fed estimated the asset value of American households and companies ~ 53 trillion.
Nightsblood192 7 months ago
@Nightsblood192 I understand that most money isn't actual currency, that is my point, the Fed just uses the same accounting practices that all banks use to create money, the Fed is just a huge bank group. THe only unique power of the Fed is the ability to set the reserrve requirement. Everything else is just open market operations. Really our debt is only backed up by the promise to repay. Asset backing is unecessary since we have never defaulted which is why our loans are considered zero risk
durhamdf 7 months ago
@Nightsblood192 (contd)... Since Keynesian Economics was adopted, we went from a volatile middle of the pack economy to the economic hegemon of the planet with none of the banks runs, massive panics, or depressions we saw under the sole care of the invisible hand. THis recession was the greatest threat to the financial backbone of this country since the great depression. (contd)...
durhamdf 7 months ago
@Nightsblood192 (contd)...Obama and Bernanke's keynesian policies have done a pretty damn good job of avoiding the tent cities, soup lines and massive deflation that we saw when the free marketers of the early 20th century were in charge. As for this mystery 9.5% tax in Obamacare that only you know about because you read the entire thousand page bill, cite your source because you know the bill so well. Do you mean you will be taxed if you don't get insurance through your employer? Elaborate pls.
durhamdf 7 months ago
@Nightsblood192 (contd)... THe fact is only 7.5% u.s. debt is held by china so your claim that "most" of our debt is owned by China was just ass backwards wrong. And you will be lucky as hell to keep the ratio you have for another year since insurance premiums have been inflating for a decade at double the rate of inflation! The mortage companies that the CFMA created originated half of the toxic loans! Your answer is to return to the failed policies of the great depression and impose austerity?
durhamdf 7 months ago
@durhamdf I never said Bush's policies were effective for one, and two I never mentioned taxes. You're bringing up 8 different subjects when the point is just about one.. and the fact you're just saying this or that at random doesn't mean you're exactly right, because all of what you said makes no sense. The only reason our housing market didn't crumble is because our corrupt government covered up its mistake and the fed bought out nearly half of the indebted loans given out.
Nightsblood192 7 months ago
@durhamdf Also yeah, no shit America comprises most of its debt, we have already sold off our own assets back by notes and T-bills for foreign markets to invest and make capital off of by the time we're climbing out of this hell hole. That doesn't mean America "OWNS" the debt you ignoramus, its collateral, our assets for their money.
Nightsblood192 7 months ago
@Nightsblood192 (contd)... in 4 months when Obama first took office, before any of his policies could take any effect at all, to ending the recession in a year and a half is pretty damn good. And it hasn't helped that republicans all apparently failed economics in college and have decided to go against the overwhelming majority of experts and demand austerity especially at the local level. THAT IS WHAT ERODES CONFIDENCE THAT THE MARKET WILL REBOUND! (contd)...
durhamdf 7 months ago
@durhamdf What you and your ilk fail to realize is the amount of money we don't even have that our government spends, and they turn right to the federal reserve for more. However as fate would have it, the cycle has to end somewhere or the value of our dollar delfates and our economy as a whole goes into recession hence our recession NOW to this day and the economic markets of the world in hold of foreign us assets. Republicans have nothing to do with the fact the gov spends us into oblivion.
Nightsblood192 7 months ago
@durhamdf If you're somehow justifying this 10 trillion dollar hole by alluding to the great depression then there's no hope for you. The depression and todays recession aren't caused by the same evils, although they seem to bargain with each other quite a lot. The government spending trillions of doesn't have does not = Federal reserve actions on the circulation of money...
Nightsblood192 7 months ago
@Nightsblood192 (contd)... Look what happened in the great depression. We had a slow recovery (slow due to the fact that the fed was limited by the gold standard) untill 36. In 37 conservative morons demanded austerity, the federal government cut spending like crazy and we crashed back down into anothr 3 year depression! Seriously kid, take ONE economics class. We have a demand shortage right now, companies are siting on record treasury holdings just wating for demand to pick up.
durhamdf 7 months ago
@durhamdf You're telling me to take an economics class when you probably don't even know the definition of the word? The great depression BTW was due to the federal reserve as they caused an influx of the US dollar in the economy, then took it back out of circulation in such a short amount of time, that in essence the value of the dollar would rise, but banks failed to give out sufficient funds for citizens and brokers hence our depression. I think you need the economics class "kid."
Nightsblood192 7 months ago
@Nightsblood192 And how the fuck could the fed create an influcx of the dollar in the great depression when the dollar was pegged to the gold standard. THey couldn't print money because they would need to aquire more gold to back these dollars. THAT IS WHY WE HAD MASSIVE DEFLATION IN THE GREAT DEPRESSION NOT INFLATION NUM NUTS. And why is it that the overwhelming majority of economists support expansionary policy in recesions? Wat are you one of those retard Austrian schoolers?
durhamdf 7 months ago
@durhamdf Not during the great depression "Numb nuts" if you knew how to read, and picked up a book once in awhile, you'd know that before the depression our free markets were making insane amounts of money, and brokers were making fortunes. However when the fed took many unit of the dollar out of circulation (Maybe in hopes of an inflation, but instead caused a deflation as you bluntly put it) however there wasn't enough money in circ. to pay everyone looking to get paid off their investments.
Nightsblood192 7 months ago
Liberalviewer are you out of touch. seriously, 14 trillion dollar debt and rising and your not willing to cut Entitlement which is 39% of our federal spending. I guess people are too attach to their sacred cows to realize that we have a spending problem and not a revenue problem.
Djarms67 7 months ago
i'm a Libertarian, and both Republican and Democrat Budget bills SUCK!!!!
theend1011 8 months ago
whats your view on Obamacare?
nosredna1624 9 months ago
Moreover, I think the best part is cutting Medicare but I would sure be glad of things like the department of Energy and Education disappeared. I can't think of anything that could possibly be more of a waste. Neither Energy nor Eduction can be said to be going in the right direction.
Visfen 9 months ago
@Visfen Yes who needs energy and who needs education, we can power our computers with potatoes and communicate via grunts and moans.
Science is the future, which means education and energy are the future.
Unless of course that was sarcasm, but often sarcasm and asinine comments are indistinguishable.
Neosaigo 9 months ago
@Neosaigo And that's what the departments do according to you, because of what, their names?
Department of education is simply a federal beast that destroys education. Department of energy basically gives corproate subsidies and make sure the US can be lobbied for energy contracts.
Yes, scinece is the future, neither of these programs have anything to do with science. I know these programs are worthless.
I acutally think your comment was hilarious, but then again I'm not a statist boob.
Visfen 9 months ago
That would be excellent criticism Liberalviewer, if the left actually had another budget to compare with.
If Paul Ryans plan killed babies it would still be the best one on the table.
Visfen 9 months ago
@Visfen Actually have you seen the Progressive caucus budget plan? It is actually the only fiscally responsible plan on the table, but gets no coverage.
It brings the debt down faster than any plan and everyone pays their fair share whether it is rich or middle class and stops the tax breaks and welfare programs for corporations.
Progressive Caucus Budget > Obama Budget > Ryan Budget.
Neosaigo 9 months ago
@Neosaigo Yes I've seen it, they try to balance the budget by racing taxes on rich people. Completely moronic, will make the economy even worse than it is now, not that it is doing well now.
Fair share? You already have the most progressive tax system in the west which diverts from savings and investment into consumption for dumb poor people. You want more of that? Good luck.
For me it goes:
Obama budget < Payl Ryan Budget < Rand Paul budget < Elimnate the government alltogether
Visfen 9 months ago
Liberalviewer, you're being intellectually dishonest here. You keep talking about "tax cuts for the rich". You ignore the fact that this budget includes tax reform!
This means that there is no tax cut. Tax rates are lowered, while deductions and exemptions are closed. No revenue is lost!
By the way, economists accross the spectrum agree that lower tax rates and a simplified tax system is preferable.
aaasssfffdddiii 9 months ago
I like the kids voice.
centenosparky 9 months ago
yes. this is worst then a bridge to nowhere
machngunjoe 9 months ago
Wow, A hardcore republican advertisement...... YouTube needs to get its act together.
TheChemicMedic 9 months ago
I know you will all hate more for this but even as a liberal I think we need to cut spending a lot more than my counterparts do. To me it seems like both sides just dont get it. This deficit will have terrible consequences on our kids futures. We need BOTH sides to support cutting spending AND raising taxes. Not just raising taxes like the Democrats want or just cutting spending like the Repubs.
rtnash420 10 months ago
@rtnash420 so what sacred cow are you willing to cut in the budget.
Djarms67 7 months ago
@Djarms67 How about starting with our defense spending., cutting foreign aid, cutting federal(State too on a state level) employee benefits, are you kidding I could go on all day with things to cut.
rtnash420 7 months ago
@rtnash420 I remember paul once said I do not want cut defense but with a military industrial complex Most that spending is not really for defense. Yeah their is a lot of room to cut defense spending without cutting real defense. I willing to get rid of the department of education, commerce, privatize social security medicare and medicaid. We could also sell off a lot of government land. I would also privatize the post office. oh get rid all subsidy.
Djarms67 7 months ago
@rtnash420 There is no end to what I am willing to cut either. Their is a lot of thing we don't need the federal government to do.
Djarms67 7 months ago
They should of kept everything the same, except get ride of the Bush tax cuts for a little while till the deficit is gone. The make fair tax rates.
SmoothCriminalAaron 10 months ago
ALL!
TanyaNE 10 months ago
"only build two-thirds of the bridge" LOL
mavishill 10 months ago
BYE BYE MEDICARE! BYE BYE COMMON SENSE! HELOOOOOOOO RECESSION!!
Seriously I am stunned this happend. But Shouldn't be surprised. The rich get richer, the poor porrer. Tax cuts don't work. Soak the rich bastards.
turnofffox 10 months ago
tax breaks for the rich is worse.... seeing that i dont really need medicare yet... although being able to go to a dr would be nice
inadaizz 10 months ago
If they actually specified what was going to get cut they might offend someone. Everyone likes less spending in general though.
ArchNME 10 months ago
Tax breaks for the rich, why the fuck do they need them
PolishNomad95 10 months ago
You poor poor yanks.
Keep believing that your Government can keep coming to save the day, and no one will ever have to cut spending or borrowing.
One day, just like in Iceland and Greece, you'll find out that the Emperor is naked, and that you should have made drastic cuts years ago.
You mock anyone who wants to cut spending as a RACIST or anti-poor, then keep giving raises to useless teachers earning over $100,000.
Your time is almost up, and you will have "greek style" riots very soon.
LibertyDownUnder 10 months ago
@LibertyDownUnder
What are you on? There are no teachers earning over $100,000.
What makes you such GD expert on gov't spending?
therealDrUnknown 10 months ago
@therealDrUnknown, with benefits it's over $100k.
it's all explained here: /watch?v=9x2N4bDmzdc
LibertyDownUnder 10 months ago
LV like the man above me with 37 thumbs up: I Dont like Republicans and I really fucking cant stand Democrats
Liddlelegrande 10 months ago
Liberial viewer, your messages are getting old. A lot of us have already become tired of politics in the U.S.
MirageScience 10 months ago
@MirageScience what an intellectual thing to do, go to a political channel and then complain for getting politics. logic friend.
TheDeadEndWins 10 months ago
@TheDeadEndWins Yeah I should go tell ducks that politics in the U.S. is getting old, or maybe people that don't talk about politics in America, maybe they will care. There is a shit ton of political news to be covered that is far less stupid than U.S. mainstream media.
MirageScience 10 months ago
The tax cuts for the rich is probably the worst idea. The reasoning behind it is somewhat valid, but most people receiving the tax cuts use the extra cash to buy luxury homes and cars, and go on expensive retreats. Bush's tax cuts for the rich destroyed the surplus America had in the 90's and left us with more than $1 trillion in debt!
TheBeastJohn 10 months ago
Of course, because when we don't spend money on bridges, they don't get built, do they? It's not like there's an entire private market totally capable of getting the job done
GoingGoingGalt 10 months ago
@GoingGoingGalt
You sound like you're being sarcastic, but there in fact is not an entire private market totally capable of getting the job done.
Heathenfidel 10 months ago
@Heathenfidel Wow, so in response to what I say, you say...exactly the opposite. Very creative.
And yes, that was sarcasm too.
GoingGoingGalt 10 months ago
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The ONLY way to bring jobs back to America is to lower the minimum wage to $2/hr.
This is the only way we can compete with China. Paul Ryan and my fellow republicans need to act on this now. Employers also should not have to carry the burdern of paying for health care either. Go get em Paul!
GOPkicksbutt 10 months ago
@GOPkicksbutt
To think they let people as stupid as you carry guns.
DreddDwarf 10 months ago
its good to ask what's getting cut. its also good to cut. i think the answer is to create ways for programs to support them selfs. example school classes could create their own business's relevant to what's being taught that would generate money for improved classrooms wile giving real world experience to its students
purpleCupfish 10 months ago
@purpleCupfish OMG.......SELVES, WHILE. SCHOOL! We keep forgetting we are in this situation because the Republican party loves deregulation and tax cuts for the uber rich. We as a society deserve better...The "Trickle Down" experiment did not work! The top 1% of the U.S. now have more than 50% of all the wealth. This is unsustainable. Their tax rate should go back to (at least) pre-bush rates, which is only 3% more. For chrissakes this is nothing to them and everything to the bottom 90%
tenacity0818 10 months ago
@tenacity0818 you know having a mind for perfect spelling and conjugation only shows you would make a good hard drive. your thoughts show just as much in that they sound like some thing that was written into your head and not your own
purpleCupfish 10 months ago
@tenacity0818 Percent this and percent that. if you wish to have wealth that is not your own you should don a mask and blade and take it yourself. how is money in the hands of any one but the people going to help anything but the goverment which you wish to give it to. who will spend it on war and subjugation
purpleCupfish 10 months ago
@purpleCupfish Whatever. This is not about %. It is about lies. (1) We were told not to worry about manufacturing jobs leaving the country, because we were going to have the cushy "service" jobs. So go ahead and call almost any company for "service" and you won't be speaking to an American. (2) The infrastructure of this country makes it possible for many of these corporations to flurish, yet we have to pay for that with our taxes (look at any utility bill they charge it back to us).
tenacity0818 10 months ago
@purpleCupfish (3) The last time income disparity was this wide we had the "Great Depression". (4) Corporations get more in welfare than most citizens living below the poverty line. (5) You should not have profit driven schools, police, prisons, healthcare etcetera (if you need me to explain why...then you are beyond help. (6) The Bush tax breaks only shifted money to the top, they should have been named as a tax spending bill. (7) Maybe you are just a neocon troll, so just leave me alone.
tenacity0818 10 months ago
Maybe if we get the money back from BP who destroyed the economy of the Gulf Coast fishing and tourist industry, Blackwater (or whatever the call themselves today) and Cheney's company who overcharged us in the Middle East wars. Take it from the oil companies that make record profits in the world and get tax subsidies on top of it, and the top 1% who have more than they could ever spend in their lifetime. Take the money not used for actual health care by the health insurance companies. Cut wars
JKEJulian 10 months ago
All i know is my Pell grant for next year has already been cut by$300, that is money I rely on to pay for an education, which the gov. will get back by the taxes i will pay in the future. Meanwhile we are building hospitals and schools in afghanistan for people that hate us, at a rate of ten billion dollars per month.
chefextra 10 months ago
@PaulinaPaulino They were built for rapid transit of a military in case of nuclear war, actually
Spalg 10 months ago
Get your government hands off my Medicare! Unless you're a republican, then you can slash it all and I'll be ok with it because I'm too ignorant to understand and I'll blame obama anyway.
VesusSheist 10 months ago
In regards to your last question, eliminating all the answers in the way you phrased it except for the answers you want to hear is telling about your ability to formulate defenses. It's like asking someone on the stand, "Do you still beat your wife? Yes or no." I've eliminated the ability to answer truthfully.
Ignoring your predetermined answers, I believe that any of those three answers can't be worse than the current dem "budget cuts" that will bankrupt all three programs in the end.
joe4951 10 months ago
~~> Never mind that guy behind the curtain...
sparkyj99 10 months ago
@tracer740 Lol I love when people make corrections on words that are totally unambiguous in content. Thanks anyway though, grammar Nazi. I have never once read or heard of someone referring to "rich" as being able to afford basic living expenses, let along "most citizens". Not sure what the point of your post was; didn't add any relevant... Good day.
friendlyfire53 10 months ago
@friendlyfire53 -My heartfelt apology if you've inferred I was attempting to correct your grammar. You asked 2 excellent questions and made 1 statement. Regarding your 2nd question, the 'rich' actually do pay a larger 'percentage' (resulting dollar amt) in taxes even when an identical percent (rate) is applied. Regarding your stmt, the rate(percent) of Americans who pay no taxes is small, tho the percentage (actual resultant number of persons) may be quite large. Peace... no Nazi here, honest
tracer740 9 months ago
tax the aristocrats
LilTom895 10 months ago
@LilTom895
This should be the rallying cry of the Left wing. "TAX THE ARISTOCRATS! TAX THE ARISTOCRATS!"
WeedGreenPowerRanger 10 months ago
@WeedGreenPowerRanger yes, it would do much for enthusiasm
LilTom895 10 months ago
@LilTom895 : you mean Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, et al?
tooltalk 10 months ago
@tooltalk all who make more than $150K annually
LilTom895 10 months ago
its like up politicians are trolling the population, how much can they screw over everyone and present nonsense ideas. Far too much apathy in the us
b0b0maj0 10 months ago
While the "2/3s of a bridge" thing is cute satire, it is ultimately unrealistic, and to think that reducing discretionary spending by more than 50% is worse than the other problems in the Ryan budget is absurd. Both Medicare cuts and massive tax cuts for the rich are far worse sins within the budget, particularly the tax cuts. While building half a bridge is unrealistic, those tax cuts somehow balancing the budget is even moreso.
Leedark3 10 months ago
@Leedark3 I think what particularly irks me is that the GOP goes on a spending craze when they get into power, running our economy into the ground with their cute tax cuts and breaks. THEN, when we're in a jam, ask the Democratic party to cut all of -their- positions to pay for it. (Planned Parenthood, etc. etc.)
SocialDissimulation 10 months ago
Cut spending in every area. Raise the tax rates to the levels of the clinton era. That is all
ohiovol63 10 months ago
29 rich people watched this video.......
Bennybombomable 10 months ago
While the tax break for the rich is totally the big elephant in the room that the republicans don't want to people to notice. Trickle-down (Supply-sided) economics does not work in term of the greater good for all americans
Exli3r 10 months ago
ha ha ha, you f'n dimwits. Your govt is sticking it to you big time for the benefit of its members and "sponsors"(and i dont mean the real sponsor, you - the tax payer). And the most proactive of you have a "I dont know, i mean it just doesnt seem right" reaction. The rest dont even give a shit because their team is playing this week end, giving them a chance to chant "USA -USA -USA". And the other half will say "this is AMERICA, our govt does the right thing, you just dont get it." F'n sheep
TheSupatrader 10 months ago
I think it is more like they build just the center section of the bridge w/o ever reaching either side.
BI30 10 months ago
the entire republican budget cut is ridiculous. How is giving tax breaks for the rich gonna help anyone but those rich mother fuckers
ih8numberinusernames 10 months ago
@ih8numberinusernames the bad thing is really in the end it doesn't even help them.Without a big portion of the population rich enough to buy things outside of necessity we will never get out this recession we're in.They are creating the very problem (I can only assume) they would want to fix.Recessions are not good for anyone rich or poor.Paying employees more to even out the standard of living here in America would go a long way to fixing this problem but they just don't see it.
gamesmaster35 10 months ago
fucking moron
setilton19 10 months ago
that's like asking me if I went you to shoot me in the right foot over the left foot !!!
parsonman05 10 months ago
Tax cuts are pretty bad. It kind of defeats the purpose of making budget cuts if taxes are decreased for the wealthy. It's almost as though Paul Ryan wants to take money from the poor, sick, and elderly and give it to the rich. How does this make any sense at all? This is the ultimate redistribution of wealth. Actually, no sane American could support this bill.
dblazer321 10 months ago
i see what life is now. a battle of smart people vs idiots for control of the world. why havent the smart people won yet? they will, eventually, its just that there are so many idiots.
mattakudesu 10 months ago
The Republicans and Democrats just flip flop on issues. When it's a Republican president the Democrats are against almost everything and vice versa. Both parties are literally the same, except for the special interests they serve. The defused interests of the average American are rarely heard, otherwise I think left and the right could find more common ground. Politics is about beliefs, not facts, no exceptions.
groam6666 10 months ago
@groam6666 Hell no, both parties aren't the same. One is a backward, dogmatic, homophobic and established party full of rich redneck estate inherited bigots. The other is a socially progressive, ideologically stable and middle class driven party. To say they are both same is to say fox news is equal to msnbc. It's also like saying atheism is a religion. When something represents totally opposite of something else, it literally means they are OPPOSITES, not the same. Republicans leaders are evil!
sh00008 10 months ago
well i like how when obama cuts medicare hes hitler but when republicans do it they are saving america it shows exactly how little they belive in and just wat theyll do stay in power
McMasher 10 months ago 57
@McMasher thats bipartisanship at its best
tamu77095 10 months ago
@McMasher Stay in power? Ummm... what?
TheConservatveLibral 10 months ago
You want to know what I think, LV? I'll tell you: I don't like republicans...and I don't like democrats.
GetMeThere1 10 months ago 42
Cutting Medicare is the most morally wrong and ideological idea, giving tax breaks to the wealthy is the most wasteful, and cutting discretionary spending is the most ignorant, since given the lack of civic knowledge displayed by guys like Cantor, they most likely have no idea what it actually is.
Thucydides2004 10 months ago 2
We have to reduce the deficit.... with tax breaks!
TyRafferty 10 months ago
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America DOES have a REVENUE problem which SHOULD be a matter of NATIONAL SECURITY. Since Reagan, REPUBLICAN CLOWN GOD, the GOP AGENDA++ has been to REDUCE REVENUE in order to facilitate PRIVATIZATION or ELIMINATION of programs such as MEDICARE,SOCIAL SECURITY,UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS& others.PRIVATIZATION would be followed by an INCREASE in the costs of these services thus generating HUGE PROFITS at citizens' expense. ``INSTEAD of generating revenue REPUBLICAN$ want the NEEDIEST to do with LESS.
poindexterwitkowsky 10 months ago
@waltermh111 First of all: I am a Norwegian, so it's not so that I watch American news-shows on TV like you do. Second; if it's so that only those making more than 250k a year are to have their taxes raised; then you won't notice that at all in terms of reducing the budget deficit. If you want to make a dent, you need to cut defence by _at least_ 30 % and introduce a higher Value Added Tax (VAT). For example 20 % on all goods and services.
oneiros666 10 months ago
We need to cut military by 50%, medicare by 50%, and END socialism security... Anything less will spell the end of America as we know it. The dollar is crashing. Tax & Spend libtards will drive this nation into the ground.
MrBiggMan 10 months ago
Democrats and Republicans are different on social issues, nothing else. All this nonsense about their focus on budgets is their way of cutting liberal progressive programs. Republicans never cared for budget issues when Bush was in office with a surplus. If there is one group that is beyond hope when it comes to moral progress, it is Republican leaders. They have one thing in mind and it is to satisfy their corporate lobbyists. Poor middle class Republicans, they are just confused people.
sh00008 10 months ago
@sh00008 I take offense to that. We Republicans are smarter than any of you guys. It's the old and young who are confused. Pray to Jesus that you may be saved.
ioneipp 10 months ago
@ioneipp Republican leaders are money hungry corporate bought immoral douche bags. Either you guys are stupid, uninformed or are just confused little people, because they are using the government platform for corporate agenda. They do nothing for the middle class or lower. If only middle and lower class republicans understood the irony. Republican leaders use social issues to get the platform and when they reach the platform they only work for millionaires, billionaires and large corporations.
sh00008 10 months ago
@sh00008 I can say the same thing about democrats. What's with Obama and GE? He say they should pay taxes, then the GE CEO becomes Obama's right hand man. Democrats say they're for the middle class but what have they done. They helped the rich get richer that's what. More bailout money. At least republicans are honest.
ioneipp 10 months ago
@ioneipp hahahahaha Republicans are honest--that's a joke. I think both parties have whored themselves to big money interests--but the Republicans have done it to a much greater extent.
bashia 10 months ago
@bashia You obviously don't know your history. The Republican platform has always been help the rich. They didn't change at all. It liberals who keep flip-flopping.
ioneipp 10 months ago
@ioneipp Not sure what I said that contradicts that. Of course the liberals keep flip--flopping. The only way they can get re-elected is to whore themselves to big money interests and betray the party platform. Republicans are just totally aligned with big money interests. But lie they do because the only way they can get the rest of us to vote for them is to misrepresent their intent. And I'm not referring to history here, because before Reagan, the Republican party was much more liberal.
bashia 10 months ago
@ioneipp You're right about dems not fighting & standing for the middle class. Regarding GE and Obama: 1st: GE makes wind and solar panels. They are also contributing to making high speed trains, which will add many jobs in US (technical and manufacturing). That's why GE CEO is with Obama and funding campaign in 2008 & 2012. And 2nd: GE got $14 billion and paid no taxes because of GOP supported tax loopholes, which Dems want to reform or completely get rid of.
Stingerbillion 10 months ago
@ioneipp Look at what Republican governors are doing with unions, unions that are made up of the middle class. Why do these Republican governors care so much about breaking unions and getting rid of collective bargaining? Because their fat cat lobbyists of multi-billion dollar corporations desire that.The whole republican party at every issue functions to satisfy big corporations. Democrats at least are able to create some programs for middle class, give me a program Republican leaders created?
sh00008 10 months ago
@sh00008 Unions are the fat-cat lobbyists. Collective bargaining is a monopoly on workers. You have to pay $1000 to the union if you want work. They get generous pensions yet double dip on social security. Unions are only looking out for themselves. You said it your-self, republicans help big corporations. With oil and farm subsidies, they create jobs. Manufacturing went to china but it opened up the service industry with better pay. You are confused or too stupid to see the truth.
ioneipp 10 months ago
@ioneipp *facepalm*
TheDudeReborn 10 months ago
@TheDudeReborn *epic facepalm*
ioneipp 10 months ago
@ioneipp Collective bargaining, like Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare, are all programs that exists because the poor, old and the sick can easily be taken advantage of by greedy factory owners and insurance agencies. Collective bargaining is the result of great deal of struggles to raise minimum wage, horrible working conditions and to end child labor during the depression era. Like slavery, we won that heartfelt battle and you want us to go back. Shame on you! Republicans are fools!
sh00008 10 months ago
@sh00008 Democrats are fools. They include the many who don't need help with the few that do. A one-size fit all plan funded by tax payers. Do you really want to pay for rich old people to have a social life at the doctors? Medicare makes that possible. 30% of waste. Old people are taking in 2-3 times more than they paid in. Many don't know what a CHIP is which help kids. You are the one who is taking us back by stealing from the young and poor to give to the old and rich. Double dip everywhere
ioneipp 10 months ago
The tax cuts are bad, but I might have to say the block grants are equally bad just because Scott Walker defended them in the NYTimes today-- you know nothing good will come of that if he's arguing for them. Actually, I see nothing good in Ryan's "Path to Poverty". I say we tax Wall Street returns by the amount of time they hold on to them-- 99% for 1 sec or less, 94% for 1 min or less, 89% for one hr or less and on down the scale. I'd just like to see the look on the pricks faces...
julsHz 10 months ago
The last time the centralized gov't of a great empire ended & all aspects of life were PRIVATIZED was the middle ages. CIVIC accomplishments like well-policed roads, running water; courts & sewers that made commerce, travel & public health possible fell apart as nobody maintained them. Result: a population kept ignorant by the church (MEDIA) oppressed by feudal barons (CORPORATIONS) & decimated by plague. This is what moron libertarians let the KOCH bros indoctrinate them into wanting.
WikeddTung 10 months ago 2
they dont drive cars so they dont give a shit
cruxbucket 10 months ago
@JCiznum1 Well, I was just going on what I'd heard him say. And "pro gay rights in the hands of the states" is completely missing the point.
8DX 10 months ago
@8DX : there is really nothing "odd" about the gold standard - except that the progressives are very much afraid of any hard asset backed currency b/c it stops them from going berserk on progressives warfare and welfare state.
tooltalk 10 months ago
@tooltalk How about getting out of the 60's and joining us in reality. Progressives are not for warfare. You also ignore the fear corporations would have not having billion dollar loans for start-ups and lobbying.
sabiki74 10 months ago
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tooltalk 10 months ago
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@sabiki74 : eh? Welcome to the 21st century! That's pretty odd considering that there's only deafening silence against Obama's recent invasion on Libya (or Clinton's Balkan intervention) among the same progressives - who ironically seem to spend more time defending Obama from the GOP's ridiculing than speaking out against Obama's war.
Progressives are not for conservative's warfare; vice versa (you know conservatives weren't so crazy about Clinton's war either)
tooltalk 10 months ago
@sabiki74 : "You also ignore the fear corporations would have not having billion dollar loans for start-ups and lobbying."
What's the got to do with gold / big gov't (or warfare / welfare)?
tooltalk 10 months ago
@marsCubed : I heard that he also eats babies!
tooltalk 10 months ago
@carlo88moe Yes, i've heard that before....its fairly accurate i think.
tubester4567 10 months ago
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gelaiaN 10 months ago 19
The republicans are right about one thing, there is class warfare going on, but they're the ones who are waging it.
TheArmchairrocker 10 months ago
@PlanetOfTheAtheist Those that claim the GOP have the American people's interest at heart are misinformed. Those that vote them into power even more so. Their only goals are to give large corporations and the rich every advantage they can, via tax breaks, deregulation, activist judges, "tort reform" so they can't even be sued, bail outs, government loan guarantees... you name it. It's too bad Obama and the Democrats are complicit 3/4 of the time.
SputnikFive 10 months ago
What do you expect from people who idolize a serial killer? (Rand had a thing for one William Edward Hickman and the way "[o]ther people [did] not exist for him".)
triftenC 10 months ago
That bridge idea works for the East & West Coasts
ChampaignLibertarian 10 months ago
@OldNick612 awww... if only you hadn't put that you live in the united states on your profile, i might believe you too:-(
cristoballs 10 months ago 2
@OldNick612 yeah, ok... just make sure you wash up after you long day of fantasizing.
cristoballs 10 months ago
@OldNick612 you can level wimpiness by the idle threats they throw out in an online forum. "i'd kick your ass if i saw you in person." BS!!! you're a bitch. you've always been a bitch. and you will always be a bitch. now piss off. i'm sure you have lots of term papers to grade and a lecture to give. i mean, you are a professor, aren't you?
cristoballs 10 months ago
@OldNick612 wow! another gem of an argument that really displays your academic prowess! i'm impressed more and more with each comment. you must be an ivy league professor.
cristoballs 10 months ago
@OldNick612 Agreed. I am just waiting for his comparison of multi-party democratic republics being compared to the most horrible dictatorships, you know "Statism! it's only a matter of degree!" lol
AtheistDaddy 10 months ago
@OldNick612 "I teach this shit at the University level" of course you do. when you realize your arguments are crap... try to impress the opposition by throwing out claims to boost your credibility. sure your arguments suck ass, but hey, you're a professor so you must be right. nice try, idiot.
cristoballs 10 months ago
@OldNick612 jesus christ, you're dense!!! i'm done with you, because you're not even paying attention. i said the powers of gov't are enumerated in the constitution. predictably, you responded with art1sec8, to which i referred to the federalist papers, so you could understand what was meant by the term general welfare. now, if you don't have the sense to know that there was a specific interpretation to what it meant, and you think that it can be interpreted in any way (cont.)
cristoballs 10 months ago
@cristoballs then there is no point arguing with you. your entire philosophy of what the goverment has the power to do, lies in the fact that you think the term general welfare is a term that was intentionally left vague so as to give congress as much power as possible. and i just can't reason with stupidity like that.
cristoballs 10 months ago