So basically you're an idiot who starts out saying all politicians are liars and then you go on to defend Obama. In my opinion, all Muslims should be lined up and deported. Those that resist should be shot. Look at the crime rate of arab muslims in Australia, Africa, the UK, Canada and anywhere else they have been allowed to establish entire communities. They are murderers of innocent people. They actually walk up and start stabbing and slashing non-muslims. Youtube it. I've seen the videos.
What the hell does this video have to do with being gay? You can not say someone is gay because of the way they speak. How assinine. In addition, there is nothing wrong with being gay anyway so just stop it right now. ALL religions are to blame for the majority of the atrocities and crimes against humanity--even my own. I imagine our creator is bitterly disappointment in his creations and our inability to love one another as he commanded. I know I'm certainly disgusted with all of us.
Dude please take the cock out of your mouth so that you can pronounce what you are saying. BTW what you are saying is a load of crap and has nothing to do with the election. Your GAY and Muslum? WOW I'm so sorry for you. You might want to think about therapy.
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My "obsession" is your hypocrisy. Your gay and Islamic, yet attack others with your twisted vision of their beliefs.
Funny that you should suggest my vocabulary is limited because your English pronunciation is horrendously inept and your video and comments compell me to believe your maladroitness is inherent to your nature.
See since you are the little perverted republican lap dog who is obbsessed with gay republicans, you think that everyone is gay. Fortunately not everyone is like you. Its sad that young minds like yours have been perverted with such homo sexual tendencies all the time. I mean you watch a video which has NOTHING to do with gay people, but yet you somehow are thinking about homo sexuality. I hope you do get some kind of help.
First, I'm not a Repulican. Secondly, you are gay...your inflection is a dead give away. Thirdly, as you know Islam does not like homosexuals so your in direct violation of it's laws.
Lastly, NO one needs an Islamic(or any other) to rattle on about the misadventures or pitfalls of other people's religion. This makes you a political and religious hack and the world could do with out it.
You have again re-illustrated my point. After that whole comment, your obsession is still with homosexuality. Either you have an obsession or your vocabulary is very limited. Perhaps it is a bit of both. Yes Islam is against homosexuality, and that does not conflict with any of my views. If your world could do with out me, than why are you so focused on me. You have obviously listened to my video, than took the time to make a comment, and than took more time to leave another comment. Hypocrite!
This is the fact.. the neofacistuberfundies want all these freakos to endorse mccain so that the are sending out the message they have endorsed him.. they don't care whether mccain wants their endorsement or not.. KKK KKK KKK KKK FREAKS>>
you know nothing of christian faith therefore you dont know God. its good your speaking your mind but unfortunate that your hanging your soul on the line for it. christ Jesus is coming back soon. say what you please but to not believe this is to have no meaning
"The massacres/genocide perpetuated by Muslims in India are unparalleled in history, bigger than the Holocaust of the Jews by the Nazis." The Muslim sultans in central India, made it a rule to kill 100.000 Hindus a year. In 1399, Teimur killed 100.000 Hindus IN A SINGLE DAY, and many more on other occasions. INDEED PROBABLY THE BIGGEST HOLOCAUST IN THE WHOLE WORLD HISTORY.
The American historian Will Durant summed it up like this:
"The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex of order and freedom, culture and peace, can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians[MUSLIMS] invading from without or multiplying within". Europe, Sweden, Russia, Germany are on their way 2 become Islamized frm within.
islam is responsible for the most bloodshed? are they crazy.if memory serves america has slaughtered people all over the world.including the only nation on earth to drop the nuclear bomb twice.wow such hideous lies
You have a great video. Also if no one compliments you for paying attention to what people say on your video and responding then I give your credit. People should learn about Islam or speak the truth: They never read the Quran, admit that. The muslims I know in the US are so incredibly nice, I like their path more than any other people I know. Their food is excelent also Only thing I didn't like about your video was the two ugly motherfuckers staring straight at me!
I would love to continue the discussion, but for many reasons (none of them having anything to do with you), I will not be. I'll simply end with this: Allah is not the God of Abraham; Jehovah is. Man is created in the image of God - who is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The idea that God judges you by your struggle really does mean that you are the one earning your salvation. Not all who call themselves Christians are Christians. Christians sin because their sanctification is not complete.
No problem, but I really feel bad that you have this misconception that Allah is not the God of Abraham. The Jews themself call God Allah, Allaha, or Elohim. The Christian arabs use the word Allah in their bible. So I think you are saying that you fellow brethern are not calling on God when they read their bible. Please think about what you are saying. Nice talking to you and May Allah guide you to the truth.
Islam is a false religion. God said well before Muhammed came along, that he would send no other prophets, and those that claimed to be are false and mean to lead you astray.
God never said that, God mentioned Muhammad (S) in the original scriptures. Muhammad is mentionedby name in the oringial Hebrew in the songs of Solomon. By your understand, Paul should have been a fake to, He changed the rules and ignored what Jesus really preached and came AFTER Jesus. So is Paul a fake prophet too?
No I do not. The Quran states that Allah is NOTHING like his creation. Nothing resembles Him. He is Singlurar in His attributes and He has fashioned man to His liking and made us in our good form.
God needs to be true to His own character. His character is just, and His character is merciful. His justice demands for sinners to be punished. His mercy calls for sinners to be forgiven. So, in love Jesus takes the hit for us, so that in Christ, our sinful man is crucified with Him, and just as Christ rose from the dead, so we are raised up into the newness of life. Without Christ's sacrifice, we would be both unwilling and incapable of real repentance.
Yes his justice demands that the sinners who dont repent be punished. So how is it punishment for one who does not repent if He just take someone elses life? So if you sinful man died with christ, why do christians sin? That does not make sense. If God is just, he will hold true to His promise. The Promis in the OT and the promise in the Quran.
This is heresy. I don't say that with any anger; on the contrary, I say that with concern and compassion, because you have been blinded by a lie. Let me ask you though: How does God justly choose to show mercy to some people and not to other people? You say that it isn't about works, but only by mercy.
that is exclty what it is. God does justly with everyone. When I say mercy, I mean that nobody can enter paradise based on their own actions. But out of His Mercy, he looks at our intentions and how we strived. But we are humans and imperfect so he recognizes our struggle and there for he is Just. He is Just becuase He knows He has created us imperfect and therefore knows that perfection for us not possible. So he juges us by our struggle.
The Jews believe Genesis - where God says, "Let us make man in our image." There is one God, but there is community in the three persons of the Trinity. Thus, we who are created in God's image are created for community. According to Islam, God had no community with anyone before creation. And I believe you think you've been created in God's image. Do you live your life in isolation, or do you live in community? This is where differences in doctrine have practical implications.
The Jews do not believe that we are made like God. They say that Allah is alone with out partners. We believe that God has no beginning and no end. He was existing before anything existed. We dont live in isolation we have the direct words of God in the Quran and He is aware of EVERYTHING we do. His knowledge encompasses everything. If we want to be with our creator, we must strive for heaven and inorder to do that, we must obey His commands.
The biggest problem with Islam - aside from the fact that you have erred on the identity of Jesus (which is huge) - you preach salvation by works. In your view, salvation must be earned by men. This is heresy. God is holy, and He will not tolerate sin in His presence. Big sin; little sin. Sin is sin is sin. But Jesus died on the cross to absorb God's wrath on our behalf, so that in Him we are freely justified by His blood. A part from this atoning sacrifice, there is no salvation.
I think you have you have misconception about Islam. you think that we try to earn our salvation by works. We believe the Only through the MERCY of Allah will anyone be allowed to enter heaven. The Quran teaches us that we must till make an effort. We love, fear and have hope in our creator and therefor we try to live a life that pleases him. The Quran states that Allah can forgive any sin excpet the sin of associating partnership with him(if one dies upon it and does not repent).
We believe God Almighty has the power to forgive anyone and does not need to sacrafice anyone in order to forgive people. He is the Supreme being and the Majestic and can do anything he likes. By saying that God needs an "atonement" is saying that he is limited and can not do anythign unless there is atonement. We belive God is Just, but in Christianity this concept is contradicted. If God is Just, why does he take the life of another man for the sins of another. "no man shall bear anothers sin"
Yes man only makes it to heaven by the Mercy of God. Althought in christianity it doesnt matter what you do, all you have to do is believe that God put another man on this earth to die for your sins because you are a sinner only because another man who lived millions of years ago committed a sin. That doesnt very much sense. Doesnt seem like a very Just God to me.
I hope I'm not making you angry; you certainly aren't making me angry. I'm enjoying this discussion. Would you mind answering my question about the official Islamic stance on the Bible? Thanks.
You said, "'I am' does not mean anything in this context." Are you sure about that? Did you read the whole chapter? This was one of the most significant confrontations between Jesus and the Jewish religious leaders. And it ended with the Jews picking up stones to stone Him for blasphemy. The argument they had was over the identity of Jesus. The, "Before Abraham, I am!" statement was a huge claim. If Jesus made that claim, then He either is God, or He was a raving lunatic or worse.
There is a huge difference between "son of God" and "Son of God." The lowercase one refers to all of God's children. The uppercase one is a title - just as Son of Man is also a title. We are all sons of men, but there is only one Son of Man. This is what makes various believers' confessions so significant. When Nathaniel recognized who Jesus was, he confessed that Jesus was THE Son of God. It wouldn't make much sense if he said, "Dude - you're like a son of God - kinda like me - cool."
There was no such Capital and lower case in the orginal language of the bible. That notion is completly false and it only applies to modern language. Of course it would, because they recognized Jesus as a Prophet and they use to call Prophets Son of God, as the bible says clearly with other prophets. This is nothing out of the ordinary if you look at history. I dont see how you can all of a sudden make this title exclusive for Jesus when OTHER prophets have this title in the bible.
Is there one official Islamic stance on the Bible? If so, what is it? My understanding has been that Muslims revere the Bible, but also maintain that the Bible has been corrupted. However, I also think that Muslims call Christians and Jews "people of the book" (meaning people of the Bible), and that this is meant in a positive sense. Can you comment on this? Do different sects of Muslims assert different things about the Bible? Do you regard different sects as legitimate Muslims?
We believed that Allah revealed the "injeel" to Prophet Jesus. The Injeel is the Gospel and we differentiate the Injeel and the Bible. We believe that book revealed is true and correct but those books have been lost and the message has been altered. But we still call them people of the book, becuase they indeed had messengers and they still perserve some of th same Ideas as us with regards to laws and in some cases even Allah. For example the Jews are monotheistic to us.
however the chrisitans are not. They make three out of 1. The Jews and Muslims do not belive this. In reality we respect the Jews and Christians and we try to guide them. WE belive the Quran is the final testament. Anyone who says There is No God but Allah and Muhammad is his last and final messenger, and adheres to the 5 pillars is a Muslim. That is the criteria in general
If someone called me the Son of God, I would rebuke them. But Jesus didn't do that. Thus, if He was not the Son of God, then He was not a good man or a great prophet. A good man or a great prophet wouldn't permit Himself to be called the Son of God. Good men do not deceive. So, either Jesus is the Son of God, or He was a raving lunatic, a liar, or something much worse. Let us give up the foolishness that He was not the Son of God, but that He was a great prophet. That's ridiculous.
This is not true, because if you look through out the bible, you find many sons of God. This title did not belong to Jesus alone. Son of God as in that we are all the children of God. Jesus says in John Chapter 14 verse number 28-32 (somewhere there), that the "FATHER is GREATER than I" This obviously indicates that he is lower than God. The notion that Jesus was the only who was called the son of God is absurd.
There are plenty of other references to Jesus' deity. You are correct that we never see Jesus in the Bible declare, "I am God." But God is not obligated to declare His identity exactly how you say He should. I just provided you plenty of references in which Jesus declared His identity, and in which others declared His identity. You would think if His followers got His identity in wrong in their confessions, He would have corrected them.
There not references, they are statements by MEN. Furthermore, these statements can not even be verified. The Church Fathers had no way of authenticating and verifying the truth from false hood. They dont even know the last names of John, Mark, Luke, etc. Yet alone they claim these word wer written by them. I can use your same argument and say is Jesus is God, Why doest he come out and say it? Why is hiding it from humanity that he came to save. In every other book, God says he is God openly.
John 20:30-31. Here John declares with apostolic authority and under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit that Jesus is the Son of God.
Exodus 3:13-15. Here God identifies Himself as "I AM."
John 8 (the whole chapter). verses 58-59. Here Jesus declares, "Before Abraham, I am!" The Jews understood this to be blasphemy and were set to stone Him. Indeed, if His claim wasn't true, then it would have been blasphemy.
I am telling you that the I dont follow the works of John, Paul, or whomever. These works have been revised, edited and tampered with for their entire existence. Thats why they say the Gospel ACCORDING to so and so and not the Gospel BY so and so. "I am" does not mean anything in this context. Any can say "I am" does taht make them God? As far as existing before Abraham, he was implying spiritually as we all existed as spirits before we came to earth.
Matthew 26:62-64. Most biblical scholars concur that Son of God is a reference to Jesus' deity and Son of Man is a reference to His humanity. He was fully God and fully man.
The Jews were not upset that he said this, they were upset that he was correcting them. The Jews had a history of killing the prophets, so this was nothing new. See the notion that Jesus is God is REDICULOUS. Do you belive that after "God" as born, he was helpless in the cradle? Do you belive that God could use the Bathroom? Do you belive God could get Hungry and Tired?? think about it
My critique of falkbusi was not a criticism of you.
As for the Trinity, there are several Biblical references to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Matthew 28:16-20 is one such example. Also, in Genesis, God says, "Let us make man in our image." There is much more to be said to prove these assertions - but I do not have time right now to prove it. But if you seek, you will find.
like I said we can agree to disagree but I however you will not find the direct words of Jesus claiming to be God. You find statements by OTHER people.
To be clear, I am no fan of democracy. Democracy is the tyranny of the majority - and the majority is often godless, secular, and immoral. But I think that falkbusi is a hypocrite for attacking Christians who question democracy, while giving Alshabbazz a free pass after he attacks democracy. That is inconsistent. He is thus exposed not so much as a champion of democracy - but as a hater of all Christians.
I have to point out some more irony. Right after AlShabazz made his comments about democracy, falkbusi asserts that democracy is being threatened by Christians - all of which are members of hateful sects. ok, so... did falkbusi suppose that Alshabazz is a Christian? If not, then why didn't he call Alshabazz to task for his attack on Democracy? Also, falkbusi is clearly reckless in his words by asseerting that all WASP Christians are members of hateful sects.
I hope that my last comment was not taken in the wrong way. I am not angry. I do not hate you. But I am asserting that you are in error. One other thing: By calling the idea of the trinity illogical, you expose that you do not have a firm understanding of logic. The veracity of presuppositional beliefs have no effect on the validity of a deductive argument.
you wrote alot about 2 people who really do not affect billions of people today. To be honest I dont care who is the champion of democracy and who is not. I said in the beginning Im not in support of either party, and I simply pointed out their double standards. As far as the trinity, I have spoken to MANY Christans (some scholarly),yet nobody can explain it properly. The Bibe doesn't support the theory of the trinity and infact there are alot of added ideas to explain the trinity.
I wanted to bring up the point that it is not really fair to make the blanket statement that the entire Republican party is hypocritical. I myself have very little love for the Republican party, and I believe it is high time for people to divorce themselves from the Republican Party. However, given our options, I will be voting for McCain in the election - not because I'm a McCain fan, but because Hillary and Obama are more evil than McCain is. If I had a better option, I would take it.
Islam is a false religion, because Islam denies that Jesus Christ is God. This does not mean that I hate Muslims or preachers who assert this hate Muslims. Rather, we are recognizing the veracity of the Bible, and we are calling on Muslims to recognize the deity of Christ out of love for God and love for Muslims. If you don't recognize the deity of Christ, then you are not in touch with reality. Jesus died to atone for your sins and for mine. May God mercifully lead you to the truth.
you are more than welcome to have your opinions, but we believe that Chrisitianity is a false religion and they have deviated from the orginal teachings of Jesus pbuh. The facts remains that Jesus himself NEVER claimed to be God. There are statements attributed to his apostles that claim such but non have been verified. As a matter of fact, there are huge speculations. So That is why we dont believe in it. The very concept of the trinity does not make logical sense. So we can agree to disagree.
The left and their media puppets on a string, such as Olberman, are quick to condemn voices of reason and truth, such as Rod Parsley (who simply voiced his favor for John McCain, though they have no pastor/parishioner relationship). But then they turn around and support anti-American, anti-Christian racists like Jeremiah Wright (who has a 20-year pastor/parishioner relationship to Barack Obama). It is the height of hypocrisy, and most Americans are not that gullible.
parsely is john mccain's spiritual advisor... you don't make someone your spiritual advisor when you've had no previous connection with them. if you do, you probably don't have the good judgement to be president of th united states.
Subhan Allah in america they are turning to gaining support by betting on Islamophobes.
Just like they elected bush and then they curse and insult him...but ironically they repeat his words even though...they will do the same with the next prez.
john mccain also has the endorsement of john hagee. and that guy doesn't just talk trash about non-christians, he even called the catholic church the great whore or something to that effect. and at least obama condemned his pastor's controversial quotes.
So basically you're an idiot who starts out saying all politicians are liars and then you go on to defend Obama. In my opinion, all Muslims should be lined up and deported. Those that resist should be shot. Look at the crime rate of arab muslims in Australia, Africa, the UK, Canada and anywhere else they have been allowed to establish entire communities. They are murderers of innocent people. They actually walk up and start stabbing and slashing non-muslims. Youtube it. I've seen the videos.
mojoeshaw 1 year ago
Both parties are hypocritical but the truly amazing hypocrisy is a gay Muslim talking shit about Christianity.
jamessavik 1 year ago
Rod Parsley Is A Reptilian
I Found A Smoking Gun Vid On Him
I Have Other Vids And Dragon To Slay First
But I Will Slay This Serpent Pastor Parsley
And Will Let You When
WE ARE THE RESISTANCE !!!!
R.R.
4ReptilianResistance 1 year ago
What's wrong with Parsley? I agree with everything he says....that I've heard so far...
TheAndrew668 1 year ago
Dude it took you two hours to get to the point...Stop spitting in the mike...
youwashmeka123 3 years ago
What the hell does this video have to do with being gay? You can not say someone is gay because of the way they speak. How assinine. In addition, there is nothing wrong with being gay anyway so just stop it right now. ALL religions are to blame for the majority of the atrocities and crimes against humanity--even my own. I imagine our creator is bitterly disappointment in his creations and our inability to love one another as he commanded. I know I'm certainly disgusted with all of us.
Girli951 3 years ago
Dude please take the cock out of your mouth so that you can pronounce what you are saying. BTW what you are saying is a load of crap and has nothing to do with the election. Your GAY and Muslum? WOW I'm so sorry for you. You might want to think about therapy.
allthatfun 3 years ago
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My "obsession" is your hypocrisy. Your gay and Islamic, yet attack others with your twisted vision of their beliefs.
Funny that you should suggest my vocabulary is limited because your English pronunciation is horrendously inept and your video and comments compell me to believe your maladroitness is inherent to your nature.
lees20022 3 years ago
Dude, you sound gay...Islam doesn't like that.
lees20022 3 years ago
See since you are the little perverted republican lap dog who is obbsessed with gay republicans, you think that everyone is gay. Fortunately not everyone is like you. Its sad that young minds like yours have been perverted with such homo sexual tendencies all the time. I mean you watch a video which has NOTHING to do with gay people, but yet you somehow are thinking about homo sexuality. I hope you do get some kind of help.
aim786 3 years ago
First, I'm not a Repulican. Secondly, you are gay...your inflection is a dead give away. Thirdly, as you know Islam does not like homosexuals so your in direct violation of it's laws.
Lastly, NO one needs an Islamic(or any other) to rattle on about the misadventures or pitfalls of other people's religion. This makes you a political and religious hack and the world could do with out it.
lees20022 3 years ago
You have again re-illustrated my point. After that whole comment, your obsession is still with homosexuality. Either you have an obsession or your vocabulary is very limited. Perhaps it is a bit of both. Yes Islam is against homosexuality, and that does not conflict with any of my views. If your world could do with out me, than why are you so focused on me. You have obviously listened to my video, than took the time to make a comment, and than took more time to leave another comment. Hypocrite!
aim786 3 years ago
mccain is a very old guy and fu..ing republican but I prefer him as a world leader than that motherfucker "bush" of shit
rufo3 3 years ago
You're lisping - it's a dead giveaway.....
seekosuave 3 years ago
This is the fact.. the neofacistuberfundies want all these freakos to endorse mccain so that the are sending out the message they have endorsed him.. they don't care whether mccain wants their endorsement or not.. KKK KKK KKK KKK FREAKS>>
guapobear 3 years ago
get onthe camera so we can see you.
baburo101 3 years ago
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why do you want to see me?
aim786 3 years ago
you know nothing of christian faith therefore you dont know God. its good your speaking your mind but unfortunate that your hanging your soul on the line for it. christ Jesus is coming back soon. say what you please but to not believe this is to have no meaning
itswhtido93 3 years ago
I forgive you racist mother fucker /!!!!
bajalocom 3 years ago
is it an orgasmic experience for you when you force your views on others?
kittieblue80 3 years ago
Western Historian Francois Gautier once commented
"The massacres/genocide perpetuated by Muslims in India are unparalleled in history, bigger than the Holocaust of the Jews by the Nazis." The Muslim sultans in central India, made it a rule to kill 100.000 Hindus a year. In 1399, Teimur killed 100.000 Hindus IN A SINGLE DAY, and many more on other occasions. INDEED PROBABLY THE BIGGEST HOLOCAUST IN THE WHOLE WORLD HISTORY.
Mc4zVibe 3 years ago
The American historian Will Durant summed it up like this:
"The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex of order and freedom, culture and peace, can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians[MUSLIMS] invading from without or multiplying within". Europe, Sweden, Russia, Germany are on their way 2 become Islamized frm within.
Mc4zVibe 3 years ago
islam is responsible for the most bloodshed? are they crazy.if memory serves america has slaughtered people all over the world.including the only nation on earth to drop the nuclear bomb twice.wow such hideous lies
jayjay1179 3 years ago 2
Sigh . . another Mother Jones hippy inspired attempt to fuck with our minds, huh?
Doesn't Mother Earth Jones Spirit Global Whale realize people are f***ing SICK of Michael Moorish, Al Gore style of LYING HORSESHIT JOURNALISM?
Prasley is NOT McCain's 'spritual adviser'.
The Reverend Wright IS Barak Obama's spritual adviser.
You failed again, you stoned idiots.
deewillyfree 3 years ago
you are a typical neo con who denies the facts. John McCain had him speak at his function and commended him on being an influence.
aim786 3 years ago
You have a great video. Also if no one compliments you for paying attention to what people say on your video and responding then I give your credit. People should learn about Islam or speak the truth: They never read the Quran, admit that. The muslims I know in the US are so incredibly nice, I like their path more than any other people I know. Their food is excelent also Only thing I didn't like about your video was the two ugly motherfuckers staring straight at me!
SirLoin21 3 years ago 3
lol good for you an independent thinker
jayjay1179 3 years ago
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ComeJoinUs00 3 years ago
We need a leader in America that doesn't believe in an invisible man floating up in the sky.
tattypatty 3 years ago
McCain is no Republican. He is antithetical to every Republican ideal in the platform.
Sorry to burst your bubble there, habeebee.
turntapzap 3 years ago
as the presidential nominee, he is representing the republican ideal...weather you approve or not.
kingrexrex666 3 years ago
he is actuallay a Moderate or Reformed Rebuplican
aim786 3 years ago
I would love to continue the discussion, but for many reasons (none of them having anything to do with you), I will not be. I'll simply end with this: Allah is not the God of Abraham; Jehovah is. Man is created in the image of God - who is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The idea that God judges you by your struggle really does mean that you are the one earning your salvation. Not all who call themselves Christians are Christians. Christians sin because their sanctification is not complete.
ConcernedEngineer 3 years ago
No problem, but I really feel bad that you have this misconception that Allah is not the God of Abraham. The Jews themself call God Allah, Allaha, or Elohim. The Christian arabs use the word Allah in their bible. So I think you are saying that you fellow brethern are not calling on God when they read their bible. Please think about what you are saying. Nice talking to you and May Allah guide you to the truth.
aim786 3 years ago
Islam is a false religion. God said well before Muhammed came along, that he would send no other prophets, and those that claimed to be are false and mean to lead you astray.
sportsmac 3 years ago
God never said that, God mentioned Muhammad (S) in the original scriptures. Muhammad is mentionedby name in the oringial Hebrew in the songs of Solomon. By your understand, Paul should have been a fake to, He changed the rules and ignored what Jesus really preached and came AFTER Jesus. So is Paul a fake prophet too?
aim786 3 years ago
Do you not believe that we are created in God's image?
ConcernedEngineer 3 years ago
No I do not. The Quran states that Allah is NOTHING like his creation. Nothing resembles Him. He is Singlurar in His attributes and He has fashioned man to His liking and made us in our good form.
aim786 3 years ago
God needs to be true to His own character. His character is just, and His character is merciful. His justice demands for sinners to be punished. His mercy calls for sinners to be forgiven. So, in love Jesus takes the hit for us, so that in Christ, our sinful man is crucified with Him, and just as Christ rose from the dead, so we are raised up into the newness of life. Without Christ's sacrifice, we would be both unwilling and incapable of real repentance.
ConcernedEngineer 3 years ago
Yes his justice demands that the sinners who dont repent be punished. So how is it punishment for one who does not repent if He just take someone elses life? So if you sinful man died with christ, why do christians sin? That does not make sense. If God is just, he will hold true to His promise. The Promis in the OT and the promise in the Quran.
aim786 3 years ago
This is heresy. I don't say that with any anger; on the contrary, I say that with concern and compassion, because you have been blinded by a lie. Let me ask you though: How does God justly choose to show mercy to some people and not to other people? You say that it isn't about works, but only by mercy.
ConcernedEngineer 3 years ago
that is exclty what it is. God does justly with everyone. When I say mercy, I mean that nobody can enter paradise based on their own actions. But out of His Mercy, he looks at our intentions and how we strived. But we are humans and imperfect so he recognizes our struggle and there for he is Just. He is Just becuase He knows He has created us imperfect and therefore knows that perfection for us not possible. So he juges us by our struggle.
aim786 3 years ago
Thanks for the discussion. May God mercifully lead us both into all truth. God bless.
ConcernedEngineer 3 years ago
The Jews believe Genesis - where God says, "Let us make man in our image." There is one God, but there is community in the three persons of the Trinity. Thus, we who are created in God's image are created for community. According to Islam, God had no community with anyone before creation. And I believe you think you've been created in God's image. Do you live your life in isolation, or do you live in community? This is where differences in doctrine have practical implications.
ConcernedEngineer 3 years ago
The Jews do not believe that we are made like God. They say that Allah is alone with out partners. We believe that God has no beginning and no end. He was existing before anything existed. We dont live in isolation we have the direct words of God in the Quran and He is aware of EVERYTHING we do. His knowledge encompasses everything. If we want to be with our creator, we must strive for heaven and inorder to do that, we must obey His commands.
aim786 3 years ago
The biggest problem with Islam - aside from the fact that you have erred on the identity of Jesus (which is huge) - you preach salvation by works. In your view, salvation must be earned by men. This is heresy. God is holy, and He will not tolerate sin in His presence. Big sin; little sin. Sin is sin is sin. But Jesus died on the cross to absorb God's wrath on our behalf, so that in Him we are freely justified by His blood. A part from this atoning sacrifice, there is no salvation.
ConcernedEngineer 3 years ago
I think you have you have misconception about Islam. you think that we try to earn our salvation by works. We believe the Only through the MERCY of Allah will anyone be allowed to enter heaven. The Quran teaches us that we must till make an effort. We love, fear and have hope in our creator and therefor we try to live a life that pleases him. The Quran states that Allah can forgive any sin excpet the sin of associating partnership with him(if one dies upon it and does not repent).
aim786 3 years ago
We believe God Almighty has the power to forgive anyone and does not need to sacrafice anyone in order to forgive people. He is the Supreme being and the Majestic and can do anything he likes. By saying that God needs an "atonement" is saying that he is limited and can not do anythign unless there is atonement. We belive God is Just, but in Christianity this concept is contradicted. If God is Just, why does he take the life of another man for the sins of another. "no man shall bear anothers sin"
aim786 3 years ago
And man can't make it to Heaven by his works alone.
sportsmac 3 years ago
Yes man only makes it to heaven by the Mercy of God. Althought in christianity it doesnt matter what you do, all you have to do is believe that God put another man on this earth to die for your sins because you are a sinner only because another man who lived millions of years ago committed a sin. That doesnt very much sense. Doesnt seem like a very Just God to me.
aim786 3 years ago
your right its a combination of works and faith.that is Islam.peace to those who think independently.
jayjay1179 3 years ago 2
I hope I'm not making you angry; you certainly aren't making me angry. I'm enjoying this discussion. Would you mind answering my question about the official Islamic stance on the Bible? Thanks.
ConcernedEngineer 3 years ago
You said, "'I am' does not mean anything in this context." Are you sure about that? Did you read the whole chapter? This was one of the most significant confrontations between Jesus and the Jewish religious leaders. And it ended with the Jews picking up stones to stone Him for blasphemy. The argument they had was over the identity of Jesus. The, "Before Abraham, I am!" statement was a huge claim. If Jesus made that claim, then He either is God, or He was a raving lunatic or worse.
ConcernedEngineer 3 years ago
There is a huge difference between "son of God" and "Son of God." The lowercase one refers to all of God's children. The uppercase one is a title - just as Son of Man is also a title. We are all sons of men, but there is only one Son of Man. This is what makes various believers' confessions so significant. When Nathaniel recognized who Jesus was, he confessed that Jesus was THE Son of God. It wouldn't make much sense if he said, "Dude - you're like a son of God - kinda like me - cool."
ConcernedEngineer 3 years ago
There was no such Capital and lower case in the orginal language of the bible. That notion is completly false and it only applies to modern language. Of course it would, because they recognized Jesus as a Prophet and they use to call Prophets Son of God, as the bible says clearly with other prophets. This is nothing out of the ordinary if you look at history. I dont see how you can all of a sudden make this title exclusive for Jesus when OTHER prophets have this title in the bible.
aim786 3 years ago
Is there one official Islamic stance on the Bible? If so, what is it? My understanding has been that Muslims revere the Bible, but also maintain that the Bible has been corrupted. However, I also think that Muslims call Christians and Jews "people of the book" (meaning people of the Bible), and that this is meant in a positive sense. Can you comment on this? Do different sects of Muslims assert different things about the Bible? Do you regard different sects as legitimate Muslims?
ConcernedEngineer 3 years ago
We believed that Allah revealed the "injeel" to Prophet Jesus. The Injeel is the Gospel and we differentiate the Injeel and the Bible. We believe that book revealed is true and correct but those books have been lost and the message has been altered. But we still call them people of the book, becuase they indeed had messengers and they still perserve some of th same Ideas as us with regards to laws and in some cases even Allah. For example the Jews are monotheistic to us.
aim786 3 years ago
however the chrisitans are not. They make three out of 1. The Jews and Muslims do not belive this. In reality we respect the Jews and Christians and we try to guide them. WE belive the Quran is the final testament. Anyone who says There is No God but Allah and Muhammad is his last and final messenger, and adheres to the 5 pillars is a Muslim. That is the criteria in general
aim786 3 years ago
If someone called me the Son of God, I would rebuke them. But Jesus didn't do that. Thus, if He was not the Son of God, then He was not a good man or a great prophet. A good man or a great prophet wouldn't permit Himself to be called the Son of God. Good men do not deceive. So, either Jesus is the Son of God, or He was a raving lunatic, a liar, or something much worse. Let us give up the foolishness that He was not the Son of God, but that He was a great prophet. That's ridiculous.
ConcernedEngineer 3 years ago
This is not true, because if you look through out the bible, you find many sons of God. This title did not belong to Jesus alone. Son of God as in that we are all the children of God. Jesus says in John Chapter 14 verse number 28-32 (somewhere there), that the "FATHER is GREATER than I" This obviously indicates that he is lower than God. The notion that Jesus was the only who was called the son of God is absurd.
aim786 3 years ago
There are plenty of other references to Jesus' deity. You are correct that we never see Jesus in the Bible declare, "I am God." But God is not obligated to declare His identity exactly how you say He should. I just provided you plenty of references in which Jesus declared His identity, and in which others declared His identity. You would think if His followers got His identity in wrong in their confessions, He would have corrected them.
ConcernedEngineer 3 years ago
There not references, they are statements by MEN. Furthermore, these statements can not even be verified. The Church Fathers had no way of authenticating and verifying the truth from false hood. They dont even know the last names of John, Mark, Luke, etc. Yet alone they claim these word wer written by them. I can use your same argument and say is Jesus is God, Why doest he come out and say it? Why is hiding it from humanity that he came to save. In every other book, God says he is God openly.
aim786 3 years ago
John 20:30-31. Here John declares with apostolic authority and under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit that Jesus is the Son of God.
Exodus 3:13-15. Here God identifies Himself as "I AM."
John 8 (the whole chapter). verses 58-59. Here Jesus declares, "Before Abraham, I am!" The Jews understood this to be blasphemy and were set to stone Him. Indeed, if His claim wasn't true, then it would have been blasphemy.
ConcernedEngineer 3 years ago
I am telling you that the I dont follow the works of John, Paul, or whomever. These works have been revised, edited and tampered with for their entire existence. Thats why they say the Gospel ACCORDING to so and so and not the Gospel BY so and so. "I am" does not mean anything in this context. Any can say "I am" does taht make them God? As far as existing before Abraham, he was implying spiritually as we all existed as spirits before we came to earth.
aim786 3 years ago
Matthew 26:62-64. Most biblical scholars concur that Son of God is a reference to Jesus' deity and Son of Man is a reference to His humanity. He was fully God and fully man.
Matthew 27:42-44.
Luke 1:34-36.
Luke 4:1-10. Here the devil challenges the notion that Jesus is the Son of God, and essentially calls on Jesus to prove it.
John 1:32-34. Here John the Baptist asserts that Jesus is the Son of God.
John 1:45-50. Here Nathaniel makes his confession, and Jesus did not correct him.
ConcernedEngineer 3 years ago
The Jews were not upset that he said this, they were upset that he was correcting them. The Jews had a history of killing the prophets, so this was nothing new. See the notion that Jesus is God is REDICULOUS. Do you belive that after "God" as born, he was helpless in the cradle? Do you belive that God could use the Bathroom? Do you belive God could get Hungry and Tired?? think about it
aim786 3 years ago
aim,
My critique of falkbusi was not a criticism of you.
As for the Trinity, there are several Biblical references to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Matthew 28:16-20 is one such example. Also, in Genesis, God says, "Let us make man in our image." There is much more to be said to prove these assertions - but I do not have time right now to prove it. But if you seek, you will find.
God bless.
ConcernedEngineer 3 years ago
like I said we can agree to disagree but I however you will not find the direct words of Jesus claiming to be God. You find statements by OTHER people.
aim786 3 years ago
To be clear, I am no fan of democracy. Democracy is the tyranny of the majority - and the majority is often godless, secular, and immoral. But I think that falkbusi is a hypocrite for attacking Christians who question democracy, while giving Alshabbazz a free pass after he attacks democracy. That is inconsistent. He is thus exposed not so much as a champion of democracy - but as a hater of all Christians.
ConcernedEngineer 3 years ago
I have to point out some more irony. Right after AlShabazz made his comments about democracy, falkbusi asserts that democracy is being threatened by Christians - all of which are members of hateful sects. ok, so... did falkbusi suppose that Alshabazz is a Christian? If not, then why didn't he call Alshabazz to task for his attack on Democracy? Also, falkbusi is clearly reckless in his words by asseerting that all WASP Christians are members of hateful sects.
ConcernedEngineer 3 years ago
I hope that my last comment was not taken in the wrong way. I am not angry. I do not hate you. But I am asserting that you are in error. One other thing: By calling the idea of the trinity illogical, you expose that you do not have a firm understanding of logic. The veracity of presuppositional beliefs have no effect on the validity of a deductive argument.
ConcernedEngineer 3 years ago
you wrote alot about 2 people who really do not affect billions of people today. To be honest I dont care who is the champion of democracy and who is not. I said in the beginning Im not in support of either party, and I simply pointed out their double standards. As far as the trinity, I have spoken to MANY Christans (some scholarly),yet nobody can explain it properly. The Bibe doesn't support the theory of the trinity and infact there are alot of added ideas to explain the trinity.
aim786 3 years ago
I agree that we are disagreeing, but I happen to be right, and you happen to be a heretic. I will pray for your soul. God bless.
ConcernedEngineer 3 years ago
I wanted to bring up the point that it is not really fair to make the blanket statement that the entire Republican party is hypocritical. I myself have very little love for the Republican party, and I believe it is high time for people to divorce themselves from the Republican Party. However, given our options, I will be voting for McCain in the election - not because I'm a McCain fan, but because Hillary and Obama are more evil than McCain is. If I had a better option, I would take it.
ConcernedEngineer 3 years ago
Islam is a false religion, because Islam denies that Jesus Christ is God. This does not mean that I hate Muslims or preachers who assert this hate Muslims. Rather, we are recognizing the veracity of the Bible, and we are calling on Muslims to recognize the deity of Christ out of love for God and love for Muslims. If you don't recognize the deity of Christ, then you are not in touch with reality. Jesus died to atone for your sins and for mine. May God mercifully lead you to the truth.
ConcernedEngineer 3 years ago
you are more than welcome to have your opinions, but we believe that Chrisitianity is a false religion and they have deviated from the orginal teachings of Jesus pbuh. The facts remains that Jesus himself NEVER claimed to be God. There are statements attributed to his apostles that claim such but non have been verified. As a matter of fact, there are huge speculations. So That is why we dont believe in it. The very concept of the trinity does not make logical sense. So we can agree to disagree.
aim786 3 years ago
Democracy is under attack by fascist WASP christians who are all members of hateful sects!
falkbusi 3 years ago 2
do not involve yourself into democratic systems or elections, otherwise you practice shirk an will go to hellfire for ever and ever.
democrazy is the religion of dajjal!!!
AlShabazz 3 years ago
i agree one hundred percent akhee. i am exposing the hypocracy in the "democratic" system.
aim786 3 years ago
Mushillah nice video !
IslamicWay 3 years ago
The left and their media puppets on a string, such as Olberman, are quick to condemn voices of reason and truth, such as Rod Parsley (who simply voiced his favor for John McCain, though they have no pastor/parishioner relationship). But then they turn around and support anti-American, anti-Christian racists like Jeremiah Wright (who has a 20-year pastor/parishioner relationship to Barack Obama). It is the height of hypocrisy, and most Americans are not that gullible.
FamilyHarvestChurch 3 years ago
well said dude. fuck the republican party.
Waterboarder25 3 years ago 3
McCain,Parsely and Hagee just join recently no previous connection.Obama and father so n so have join for 20 years notice the diffreance ?
koolDeception 3 years ago
parsely is john mccain's spiritual advisor... you don't make someone your spiritual advisor when you've had no previous connection with them. if you do, you probably don't have the good judgement to be president of th united states.
sagaforest 3 years ago 4
Subhan Allah in america they are turning to gaining support by betting on Islamophobes.
Just like they elected bush and then they curse and insult him...but ironically they repeat his words even though...they will do the same with the next prez.
BeMyBro 3 years ago 2
I too have wondered why the media has not made a big deal about McCain's connection with this Parsely guy, ang Hagee.
webdawah 3 years ago 6
I ask same qustion,Reply was that they just join for election,And Obama join his guy for last 20 years.valid diffrince.
koolDeception 3 years ago
walaikum asalaam akhi..mashalla
liquidsky78 3 years ago 3
john mccain also has the endorsement of john hagee. and that guy doesn't just talk trash about non-christians, he even called the catholic church the great whore or something to that effect. and at least obama condemned his pastor's controversial quotes.
sagaforest 3 years ago 7
Awsome vid bro!!!!
1st comment!!i was here first everyone!!
choorijamadar 3 years ago 3