Origional Colt's had a half moon shape cutout on the top of the recoil shield so as the cylinder rotates the spent caps roll out of the way. You can see this in old photos of 1860's and others. The early Italian models had it but for some reason I don't understand I haven't seen it on any in the past 20 years.
i had to send my new 1860 army with fluted cylinder (the flute is the length of the cylinder). to VTI who will put in new bolts and springs, straps and stuff. they said my bolt was not only soft but defective( what ever that means.) i feel the arbour is to short as well. wish Uberti and Pietta would take some quality control steps before they ship their product.
It doesn't damage the arbor pin to just tap it out? I guess not but I thought you had to depress the leaf spring on the top and push it out. I always wondered why there was no tool to do that and doing so could leave marks around the arbor hole. Nice to know about the close-pin thingy. Very informative video!
Didnt they also convet some 1851's to .44? Because I have an 1851 navy that has been converted to .44. But that may have been more popular with civilains.
I would differ slightly from your opinion... I believe the 1861 Navy was actually the pinnacle of Colt's cap and ball design. I guess that's just nit-picking since externally the 2 revolvers are virtually the same; the difference being that the Army is .44 and the Navy .36
It's a shame though... the navy is so overshadowed by the its predecessor the 1851 and the 1860 army. do you think maybe you could look into doing a video for the m1861 Navy?
@PresentingHilarious I have an old Euroarms '61 Navy...not the best C&B I've ever owned, but I think I can get a video together...It'll be a couple of months though due to other projects in the queue and going off to work the SHOT Show.
walker colt 60 grains?!! That's incredible considering the .45-70 government used 70 grains of powder and is considered a large rifle cartridge. That was quite ambitious for a handgun.
@mindeloman That 60-grain load is really rough on the guns. A lot of original cylinders blew up. Even in the modern guns it batters the wedges out of shape in pretty short order.
Here in Italy where these replicas are made, everybody who joins the SASS (Single Action Shooting Society) states that Pietta are really better than the Ubertis... but I heard a lot of Americans saying that the Ubertis are the best... quite strange....
@docholl93 I think Pietta's cartridge guns are better made, but I've owned several of each brand in cap and ball, and Uberties are superior in workmanship and authenticity.
Your taste in cap and ball revolvers is identical to mine. Before I looked into the history,I just looked at pictures of the cap and balls in a Cabales catalog I thought the 1851 looked the best, and wanted it in .44. Then I found out that the .44 1851's never existed and that turned me off to them. I still think they look the best though.=)
I don't need to use the loading lever to get the barrel off the arbor, it just slides off easily. Is this normal? I need to use the lever when it's fouled.
Mr duelist? could you please tell me if 25 grains would be sufficient in the .44cal dance and brothers revolver as I have one coming soon. Just wanna check too see if I can load it with the same amount of grains as the 1860 Army I have. The info would be greatly appriciated as info seems to be hard to find on this model. Thankyou, Scott
I know that it's the case these days, octagon barrels are much more difficult to produce today than round barrels. But it was always my understanding that octagon barrels were easier to produce in the 18th and 19th centuries. Seems to me that the 1860's barrel would be more difficult and costly to produce for Colt than the 1851 with all of its flats. Considering that they were all hand polished.
I have 13 rds out of the 1860 Army. I noticed that the barrel has score marks in the rifeling of the barrel. Where the score marks are there is rust forming. Would this be because im useing swagged lead balls or .454? instead of .451? I cleaned the gun with hopes oil and the gun is fine but the barrel is rusting inside whywould this be?
@farmingvillegermany The gun oil you are using is not neutralizing the black powder fouling salts. You should clean with a product specifically made for black powder. Or clean with hot water followed by your gun oil.
@duelist1954 Hello sir, I was wondering if you could tell me, is Pyrodex corrosive like black powder? Does it foul as much? I clean my 1860 with Hoppes no.9, then put a layer of Outers oil in it, and I don't have any rust in my barrel like "farmingvillegermany" does. Is this because I use Pyrodex P or is it the oil?
@LifeisGood762 Pyrodex fouling is more corrosive to steel than black powder fouling. I suppose the oil is helping you. but Hoppe's #9 is not a good choice for cleaning a black powder gun. If you want to stay with Hoppe's then you should use Hoppe's #9 Plus, which is for black powder. Or use plain hot water followed by Hoppe's #9. The water is what will wash out the salts in the fouling, which is the main cause of rusting. I use Balistol mixed with water...1 part Balistol to 10 parts water.
Can you show the fix to keep those cap pieces from falling into the frame? That's been a real sticking point for me about getting into C&B. I hate the idea of having to hold up the firing line while I dismantle the revolver.
you see.....this is what ruins it for me. i know its the same to reload these rep colts but i like to see it done. but i did enjoy this vid. i heard the aurbor is not long enough on these guns. any truth to that?
The 1860 army is my favorite too. I use a .451 ball that seems to work well with the new Piettas. Cabelas had them on sale for $189.00 a few months ago and I couldn't pass it by. I have shot over 200 rounds in this pistol and just love the heck out of it.
i realy enjoy ur vids on these there great i have a ? can u do a vid on bp pistol vocab u said some words iv never heard in the shooting world so id like to know the correct terminology just because?
Origional Colt's had a half moon shape cutout on the top of the recoil shield so as the cylinder rotates the spent caps roll out of the way. You can see this in old photos of 1860's and others. The early Italian models had it but for some reason I don't understand I haven't seen it on any in the past 20 years.
taylorman1949 2 weeks ago
i had to send my new 1860 army with fluted cylinder (the flute is the length of the cylinder). to VTI who will put in new bolts and springs, straps and stuff. they said my bolt was not only soft but defective( what ever that means.) i feel the arbour is to short as well. wish Uberti and Pietta would take some quality control steps before they ship their product.
glynamus 2 weeks ago
Great clip!!!
Hardheaded76 2 weeks ago
shoot it without the barrel
xxweaponsxx123 3 weeks ago
It doesn't damage the arbor pin to just tap it out? I guess not but I thought you had to depress the leaf spring on the top and push it out. I always wondered why there was no tool to do that and doing so could leave marks around the arbor hole. Nice to know about the close-pin thingy. Very informative video!
thecuddlemoose 4 weeks ago
@thecuddlemoose I've never had any problems from the spring.
duelist1954 4 weeks ago
I just ordered a Traditions 1860 Army today. I enjoyed your video and may communicate in the future as I try to use it.
skagitcom 1 month ago
I really like your videos, very educational.
JCtheROD 1 month ago
Didnt they also convet some 1851's to .44? Because I have an 1851 navy that has been converted to .44. But that may have been more popular with civilains.
WildGaston 1 month ago
I would differ slightly from your opinion... I believe the 1861 Navy was actually the pinnacle of Colt's cap and ball design. I guess that's just nit-picking since externally the 2 revolvers are virtually the same; the difference being that the Army is .44 and the Navy .36
It's a shame though... the navy is so overshadowed by the its predecessor the 1851 and the 1860 army. do you think maybe you could look into doing a video for the m1861 Navy?
PresentingHilarious 1 month ago
@PresentingHilarious I have an old Euroarms '61 Navy...not the best C&B I've ever owned, but I think I can get a video together...It'll be a couple of months though due to other projects in the queue and going off to work the SHOT Show.
duelist1954 1 month ago
walker colt 60 grains?!! That's incredible considering the .45-70 government used 70 grains of powder and is considered a large rifle cartridge. That was quite ambitious for a handgun.
mindeloman 1 month ago
@mindeloman That 60-grain load is really rough on the guns. A lot of original cylinders blew up. Even in the modern guns it batters the wedges out of shape in pretty short order.
duelist1954 1 month ago
Here in Italy where these replicas are made, everybody who joins the SASS (Single Action Shooting Society) states that Pietta are really better than the Ubertis... but I heard a lot of Americans saying that the Ubertis are the best... quite strange....
docholl93 1 month ago
@docholl93 I think Pietta's cartridge guns are better made, but I've owned several of each brand in cap and ball, and Uberties are superior in workmanship and authenticity.
duelist1954 1 month ago
@duelist1954 Uh ok... actually i had some problems with the Uberties' hammer and mechanics... but anyway neither piettas nor uberties are bad ;)
docholl93 1 month ago
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docholl93 1 month ago
which do you prefer? pietta or uberti?
dugiskull 1 month ago
@dugiskull For Cap & Ball revolvers, I prefer Uberti.
duelist1954 1 month ago
Your taste in cap and ball revolvers is identical to mine. Before I looked into the history,I just looked at pictures of the cap and balls in a Cabales catalog I thought the 1851 looked the best, and wanted it in .44. Then I found out that the .44 1851's never existed and that turned me off to them. I still think they look the best though.=)
I don't need to use the loading lever to get the barrel off the arbor, it just slides off easily. Is this normal? I need to use the lever when it's fouled.
LifeisGood762 2 months ago
@LifeisGood762 Some of them are tighter than others on the two pins that align the barrel assembly to the frame.
duelist1954 2 months ago
Mr duelist? could you please tell me if 25 grains would be sufficient in the .44cal dance and brothers revolver as I have one coming soon. Just wanna check too see if I can load it with the same amount of grains as the 1860 Army I have. The info would be greatly appriciated as info seems to be hard to find on this model. Thankyou, Scott
farmingvillegermany 2 months ago
@farmingvillegermany 25 grains would be a nice light load with a roundball, and probably a max load for a conical.
duelist1954 2 months ago
Is there any reason for that big screw to be ? I mean it sticks out of the frame, unlike the 1851 Navy.
ChurchillCigar 2 months ago
@ChurchillCigar Those are anchor screws for a detachable shoulder stock
duelist1954 2 months ago
@duelist1954 Ok, thank you. Keep shooting!
ChurchillCigar 2 months ago
I know that it's the case these days, octagon barrels are much more difficult to produce today than round barrels. But it was always my understanding that octagon barrels were easier to produce in the 18th and 19th centuries. Seems to me that the 1860's barrel would be more difficult and costly to produce for Colt than the 1851 with all of its flats. Considering that they were all hand polished.
newfrontier45 2 months ago
Love the 1860 and its cartridge conversions! Gotta 5½" fluted model like your 8" and it's a sweet handling sixgun.
newfrontier45 2 months ago
Thankyou for your support and knowledge of what to do for the rusting. appreciate it thanks again T
farmingvillegermany 2 months ago
fun too shoot. I used #11 percusion caps and they worked fine
farmingvillegermany 2 months ago
I have 13 rds out of the 1860 Army. I noticed that the barrel has score marks in the rifeling of the barrel. Where the score marks are there is rust forming. Would this be because im useing swagged lead balls or .454? instead of .451? I cleaned the gun with hopes oil and the gun is fine but the barrel is rusting inside whywould this be?
farmingvillegermany 2 months ago
@farmingvillegermany The gun oil you are using is not neutralizing the black powder fouling salts. You should clean with a product specifically made for black powder. Or clean with hot water followed by your gun oil.
duelist1954 2 months ago
@duelist1954 Hello sir, I was wondering if you could tell me, is Pyrodex corrosive like black powder? Does it foul as much? I clean my 1860 with Hoppes no.9, then put a layer of Outers oil in it, and I don't have any rust in my barrel like "farmingvillegermany" does. Is this because I use Pyrodex P or is it the oil?
LifeisGood762 2 months ago
@LifeisGood762 Pyrodex fouling is more corrosive to steel than black powder fouling. I suppose the oil is helping you. but Hoppe's #9 is not a good choice for cleaning a black powder gun. If you want to stay with Hoppe's then you should use Hoppe's #9 Plus, which is for black powder. Or use plain hot water followed by Hoppe's #9. The water is what will wash out the salts in the fouling, which is the main cause of rusting. I use Balistol mixed with water...1 part Balistol to 10 parts water.
duelist1954 2 months ago
@duelist1954 Ok, thanks, that's very good to know. I guess I'll use hot water from now on.
LifeisGood762 1 month ago
What size percussion caps work the best for you in this revolver?
manfangle1 2 months ago
Can you show the fix to keep those cap pieces from falling into the frame? That's been a real sticking point for me about getting into C&B. I hate the idea of having to hold up the firing line while I dismantle the revolver.
Cosmoline 3 months ago
you see.....this is what ruins it for me. i know its the same to reload these rep colts but i like to see it done. but i did enjoy this vid. i heard the aurbor is not long enough on these guns. any truth to that?
glynamus 3 months ago
The 1860 army is my favorite too. I use a .451 ball that seems to work well with the new Piettas. Cabelas had them on sale for $189.00 a few months ago and I couldn't pass it by. I have shot over 200 rounds in this pistol and just love the heck out of it.
charangoguy 4 months ago
i realy enjoy ur vids on these there great i have a ? can u do a vid on bp pistol vocab u said some words iv never heard in the shooting world so id like to know the correct terminology just because?
hopecamel 4 months ago
@hopecamel I'm glad you like the vids. I'll see what I can do on a terminology video.
duelist1954 4 months ago
Another really interesting video. Thank you.
TheSolitarySojourner 5 months ago
Awesome vid., and very informative as usual....Thanks for your knowledge and please keep the vids. coming....
colljo7 5 months ago
I always enjoy your videos but really like anything that is cap&ball. Your earlier video on paper cartridges was excellent. Thanks
lisar3006 5 months ago
Great video,really enjoyed all the history about the 1860.
dfxjedi 5 months ago
very nice revolver.
melinda1971mari 5 months ago