iMacs can game with Vista and ATI Radeon HD 4850

[Parahodv2]

I bet your mac can't game.

[paulwschubert]

Macs suck.

[ViciousDave4Life]

@paulwschubert There overpriced, that's the only thing that's true. Everything else isn't.

[TearsOfWar1]

How about show us you playing a game on your imac instead of talking. the proof is in the pudding.

[schnaftbuster]

Is it possible to overclock on Macintosh? Do you have bios? Btw, I would'nt pay 2500$ for an iMac, when I can get an insane, custom built system for the same price (containing the fastest GPU on the market) . I do not like pre built machines, especially when they have a load of restrictions. "Go commie roll" yourself

[flonga1]

You paid so much for something that a $1000 PC can do. That's really sad. But hey, your money. Whatever, I don't care. Enjoy feeling that you have a big e-peen and feel justified by putting more money into a product.

[charkir]

can u still play ALL the latest games with the mac os because if u put windows on it ur just gaming on a computer which last time i checked u have been able 2 do 4 sum time

ps:i am not a pc fanboy i actually prefer macs but if u put windows on its just another plain computer

[Ownederd13]

oh my god

you can run pc games on a mac

such a technological revolution MICROSFOT SUKCS LOL

durp durp durp

[tommyratboy]

Are you trying to imply windows experience index means anything I built a pc for $600 which has whole set of 5.9's you wasted your money idiot.

[Slimelime]

i hate your sarcastic tone

btw, i got an imac aswell

[masterb403]

If you're going to try to make some statement about a mac's gaming capability, can you do it without the whiney pig noises, and perhaps don't use running all of vista's features as some sort of benchmark? Coming form a fellow mac user.

And you haven't "owned" anyone but yourself by talking like an angry little foul-mouthed 14 year old.

[TFDgohan]

you onwed the PC twats well done im on a pc at the mo but im switching to the Mac in 3 months cant wait :D

[xXxKSA07xXx]

great youtube is fucking up again.

[ViciousDave4Life]

Everybody, I will be having a video made soon which will make use of more humor and ownage. You see, I'll show you why PCs really suck. This is about quality of the machine this time.

[ThingsontheWeb]

Are you saying Windows sucks in general, or are you saying that PC's in general suck?

Do you count custom builds? I need to know, cause if you want to bash Windows, well that's nothing new with you, but I WILL challenge you, if you say all PC's suck. My PC blows your hardware away.

[ThingsontheWeb]

also, vista's scoring is old, my old PC maxed it out, try running Windows 7 on it, and see your new score.

[ViciousDave4Life]

Not buying 7, IDK if your heard me saying that or not, but I'm not even going to try. I could care less about DirectX11.

[korwinblue]

Gaming and computers are perfectly acceptable hobbies.

[themacbookone]

Windows 7 makes me want a PC

[GlockNinja]

WOW, 5.9 is a very high score. That baby can play Crisis and most games on high settings even with running boot camp. :0)

[Caboose2321]

PC gaming is easier we don't have to run 2 OS's to play a game.

ATI sucks IMO Nivedea is the best Graphics card plus you only have 512MB VRAM I can have 4GB of VRAM if I wanted.

I am not trying to bash you I am just stating facts.

[AppleSoldier]

Daves components in his imac ARE ALL MOBILE COMPONENTS and look at that score. Amazing. Wait till the desktop i7 and 4850 appear in the i7 imac. You pc guys dont get it. He done this with mobile components. You pc guys have no clue.

[Caboose2321]

@AppleSoldier

Yet you bash Alienware when there gaming laptop has better specs that the iMac and it's freakin portable unlike the iMac.

[FedoraFTW]

we have no clue? first of all if you buy a mac for gaming then your an idiot. he payed over 2000 bucks for specs thats gunna be shit in less then 2 years.

he can't upgrade either, he has to throw that shit away and buy a NEW GODDAMN mac for another couple grand. such bullshit.

the new i7 and 4850 imac has several problems such as screen flickering, apple is quality huh?

lol

you mac faggots have no clue.

[codebean]

@AppleSoldier

i.e fuckfacesoldier

Amazing, LOL! It's about the same as my pc & I paid about $700US for it, Davy boy got ripped off if he needed to pay for the most expensive imac for those scores,LOL!

[Yelonde]

Your point? We pay a high premium for better service and better quality hardware. I can walk into any mac store or service provider, and get my mac serviced with little wait time, and without inconvenience on my part... for free. I would love to see you walk into a store with a $700 PC, and get the same type of service. Buddy, you need to pay at least $250 up front for any PC repair service, +100 for extra things, such as hardware replacements, cleanup, etc.

[codebean]

I've done the same with a pc it's called a warrenty both apple & my pc come with a 1 year warrenty. My pc uses foxconn & asus parts same as a mini i.e that aint better quality that's a lie, plus I am able to see the build myself if I open it & i can tell you that it is decent build quality.

[Yelonde]

"My pc uses foxconn & asus parts same as a mini"

lol, I knew that you would bring that up.

Think about it this way, macs are better designed computers. Yes, they use the same parts, but the housing can make a huge difference. Poorly designed housing (common on most PCs) can help to degrade the life of a computer. Macs however, come with high quality housing designs that preserve the life of the computer. For example, the average mac does not require internal cleaning, where the average PC does

[codebean]

Apple is not short on falling in this area as well it has a number of problems with osx freezing up due to overheating an indication of poorly designed housing & ventilation this includes mac minis.

And I have had pcs last for donkeys years so much for shorter life expectancy, like I said I can open it up & see the build quality myself & alot of pcs come with see thru cases to see for yourself anyway.

[Yelonde]

Sir, I beg to differ. I have a 2006 mac mini, and it does not have any overheating issues, and it has been opened several times (by apple service representatives for adding ram, upgrading HD, etc), and I assure you that I have never seen it overheat. In addition, I just checked google, and I do not see very many articles discussing overheating mac minis. Generally, overheating issues are overcome with apple updates, and if not, they can be quickly replaced.

[ViciousDave4Life]

Hey, I bought a Mac Mini back in the summer of 2008. Mine is last gen from the current ones now. Mine is a Intel Core 2 Duo 2.0 GHZ, 1GB Ram, Intel integrated 95 GPU. Not that great, but it was last years model.

[Yelonde]

I pretty much have the same mac mini, except I am running on the 32-bit only Core duo model.

I am slightly disappointed on apple's choice in using the GMA 950 It is a horrible GPU for any advanced gaming.

[ViciousDave4Life]

I ran Quake 3 on it on low settings when I ran the mini, but of course I have it back in the box, as I'm using my iMac now.

[Yelonde]

Yea, you save money in the short run for buying a PC, but in the long run, it is a shitbag of an investment. For example, my high school recently replaced more than 200 Dell computers due to slow speed, purchased in 2004. Despite having 2.8 GHZ pentium 4s, they were incredibly slow to operate.

We have an iMac lab, which we use for our mainstream media editing, design work, animation, and general art. They are also from 2004, and come with 1.6 GHZ procs, but they run very smoothly.

[codebean]

We have dells in of our labs nothing wrong with them. The computer science department bought imacs about a year ago, all of them would constantly lock up in osx in contrast vista & linux would run fine on those imacs & no one used osx.

What a waste of my student fees to see that the dep has cut back on papers but to shell out needless money on imacs instead!

[Yelonde]

Then why isn't your school getting them serviced? Anyone who purchases a mac knows that they can get them easily replaced for a cheap price. For a school that invests thousands of dollars on imacs, and chooses not to replace those faulty computers or to get support for relatively cheap prices from apple, I would think that your computer department is not run very well.

[codebean]

You're putting words in my mouth I didn't say they didn't sort it out, the point is the IMACS were FAULTY BRAND NEW!!!! So much for better quality!!!!

[Yelonde]

What words did I put in your mouth? Did you not say that the iMacs locked up? I responded to you logically by stating that you could easily get, (quote, "those faulty computers") replaced.

Oh, and please remind me why apple has the highest satisfaction ratings for quality on many surveys, including JD power, the national economic indicator, and the american consumer satisfaction index?

The issue you faced is rare, as most macs generally work out of the box. Why did you not replace them?

[codebean]

You were assuming that the dep didn't sort them out & thus putting words in my mouth they did as to what was I'm not sure fact remains they were faulty out of the box. Just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It appears that more & more apple are having issues with products they release IMO. I don't tend to take stock in survey that is taken unless it's scientific those certainly aren't.

[Yelonde]

I didn't put words in your mouth. I answered you clearly, and I gave you advice on what to do, because you made it sound like as if you did not sort the problem out, for example, by saying that you guys ran windows instead and linux (linux does not run on macs properly because the EFI does not allow for it BTW unless you use a VM).

And yes, all products have their problems, but because you brought them new, you could have had them replaced. If you replaced them, then good for you.

[codebean]

I don't need you advice it's not up to me it's up to IT dep I'm merely a student & replacing them in mid semester would be somewhat of a logistical nightmare if they did as I said I don't what they did but OSX was FAULTY BRAND NEW, egro they aren't any better than any other computer in terms of quality & reliability they all have their problems.

Linux does support EFI so it is able to run on macs how else could it run otherwise? Do your research & look it up!!!!

[Yelonde]

Once again, according to many surveys, average mac users reported less problems in comparison to the average PC user. Your experience is rather rare. I am starting to question whether your experiences are truthful, or fabricated.

For example, you stated that your iMacs had linux, quote, "linux would run fine on those imacs".

linux is not compatible with the bootcamp EFI. Even with hacking, there are hardly any linux drivers compatible with imac hardware, thus your experience would be terrible.

[codebean]

Do not insinuate that I'm a liar how dare you! You're a typical mac user when someone has a problem oh well thats rare hear are dodgy stats to show they are the best in customer satisfication.

Linux supports EFI go look it up i.e it doesn't need bootcamp like windows 7. As for the linux experience it was more usable than OSX when it was faulty stop making excuses for it!

[Yelonde]

Hah, did I offend you? You are such an idiot, you do not know what the hell you are talking about. EFI is not an apple creation you dimwit. Next, Apple computers go directly to EFI, which brings up the bootcamp bootloader, which gives you either two options, windows or OSX. Linux is not compatable, and will NOT WORK unless you hack the bootloader process (which pretty much wrecks your chance of being able to install OSX or windows on top of that).

[codebean]

Offence?No a fucken jackass like you are more annoying like pesty little fucken flys then anything else.

Go look it up on wiki dude for the 4th time it's supported by linux just windows 7.I know it's not apple creation you fucken troll!

Ppl don't need to hack the bootloader i've run a livecd of linux same can be done with windows 7 without bootcamp get that thru your stupid little head for fucks sake!!!

[Yelonde]

Good job, you managed to get linux working on a livecd, you are a great person.

Idiot, the mac EFI allows for 3 different boot options. 1 is obviously OSX. second is Windows. third is booting from disks. It does NOT however boot into an HD installed version of linux natively. If you have used macs, you would know that.

The EFI and the bootloader are incredibly hard to remove because they are stored on a hidden partition. On macs, it is required, and impossible to boot into an OS without it.

[Yelonde]

Because of the bootloader, and because it does not provide a linux option, linux cannot be booted natively. I never said that bootcamp was required to boot linux, I said that bootcamp is currently the only way to natively run another OS, and the only OS that will work is windows. You are misunderstanding; the bootloader is required. Once again, because the bootloader does not have options for linux, linux cannot be natively run.

[Yelonde]

First of all, tell me what version of OSX you were running. 10.5? 10.4? possibly 10.6? There should be no reason as to have a large batch of imacs to have stalling issues. Seriously, your IT person must be a joke if he doesn't know how to update OS software, or to replace the computers. For example, when I bought my iMac, OSX had driver conflicts between airport and the radeon 4850 HD card, but a subsequent update fixed it, and I have not seen a crash since.

[codebean]

Stop insinuating it's ITs fault they would have under been under warrenty i.e if they tried fixing themselves it would void warrenty. Stop making excuses for it I already told they are only a year or two old if you can't figure out what version of OSX they're running from that you really shouldn't be commenting

[Yelonde]

Idiot, I am asking for specifics. I wanted to know what OS version you were running at the time, and what iMac models you were using. Despite my asking for that information, you are stubbornly refusing, and calling me the equivalent to "stupid".

Perhaps you should read between the lines, and try to determine why I asked that. We can quickly determine what issues you had by identifying these small details. Your emotions are preventing you from answering simple questions; that is highly annoying

[Yelonde]

The point is this; a bunch of imacs in the same room just do not suddenly have stalling issues. You are bound to have at least one stable computer. The fact that you said that you ran linux on those machines is also not believable, seeing as the EFI does not allow for it, and iMac linux drivers are scarce, if not, nonexistent. (that does not eliminate that you could have used a VM, but you require a stable mac to do that, and given your situation, that is impossible). You do not sound credible.

[codebean]

Once again stop insinuating I'm a liar you're starting to become a little weasel trying to make excuses for Apples faulty equipment. I didn't run linux it was installed by the IT dep which shows how good they are as well as the fact that they sorted out the prob with OSX. I've told u 3 times now linux supports EFI do you want to remain ignorant or perhaps you want to look this up for yourself instead of being so ignorant!!!

[Yelonde]

Here are the facts you little cunt

1. Bootcamp is the only way to access multiple OSes. You cannot natively use BC to boot into linux.

2. The iMac WIFI, Ati Graphics, and Keyboard input is only partly functional, and drivers do not currently exist to remedy issues. In english, that would mean that your experience would suck hard.

3. Instability on a mac computer is generally firmware related, meaning that even if you installed linux or windows, the same issues would occur.

[codebean]

1. Wrong any system that supports efi can run on a mac without dipshit!

2. our imacs are using broadcom ( supported by linux ) wired connection, Ati is supported by linux my desktop runs an ati card with several versions of linux & haven't had any problems with it & I haven't noticed anything wrong with keyboard functionality at varsity running ubuntu on the imacs clearly you know jack shit about linux.

3. Instability comes in two forms software & hardware you clearly don't understand computing

[Yelonde]

1. The mac EFI bootloader directly goes to a GUI OS selection, and linux has never been provided as an option.

2. According to the Ubuntu website, there are still multiple incompatibility problems with Mac hardware, meaning that some hardware would be incompatible. The ones I provided were examples of incompatible hardware devices. Your computer may be linux compatible, but that does not mean mac hardware is.

3. No shit sherlock, your point?

[ViciousDave4Life]

You need proof that linux works as it's own independent partition on Mac hardware? I can, don't believe me? Prepare to eat your words.

[paulgut420]

good day bro... do u have any idea if this will run starcraft 2 when it comes out? im planning to buy the i7 quad core imac... 27 inches...

peace

[Yelonde]

Finally, I will tell you that I am not making excuses for apple's faulty equipment. Faulty equipment is not good, but when you have a dumbass IT person that doesn't send them in for repairs, and allows students to use them in their unusable state, then it is the fault of the end user/manager. Even at 17, I understand that. I recognized that when I got my iMac, there was a hardware driver conflict with my model, and it didn't take less than 2 seconds to update my computer.

[codebean]

They sorted the issue out, how can they be a bunch of idiots when they did their job & sorted the matter, stop trying to point the blame on the IT dep. The blame clearly lies with Apple for shipping faulty computers in the first which hardly makes them more reliable in terms of quality like you were suggesting in the 1st place, which means that the premise of you paying more for quality is a complete fallacy and lie, hence ur deluded in thinking that!!!

[Yelonde]

I do not regret buying my iMac for that very reason mind you. In 2006, I exclusively used windows computers. I was the "family computer specialist" of sorts, and I would generally fix, restore, maintain our family computer, the computers of my neighbors, and the computers of my relatives. I was paid decently, but it always suprised me how simple users could corrupt their computers so thoughtlessly. For example, my grandfather had paid a rouge-malware company.

[Yelonde]

It turns out later that his credit card information was stolen, and somebody was making purchases with his credit card number. Within the past 2 months, I have also had to fix computers.

In the 3 years I have owned macs, I have never had to repair, reinstall, reformat, etc. In addition, I have never had to replace fans, physically maitain, or repair hardware. On the other hand, the 3 PC laptops I have owned have all broken down.

[Yelonde]

The IT guys did their jobs by not fixing the OS when it was faulty, then providing it to students for use? A well trained IT manager will generally first check for stability before allowing anyone to use the computer. You claimed that OSX was unstable. It is indeed unsatisfactory that apple releases faulty software/firmware, but not fixing computers when patches or updates exist is an issue with the end user or manager.

[ASCII808]

Most of the new imac issues came from the firmware in the airport card, just like the one vicious dave has. turning off the airport fixs most of the issue, not sure about screen flickering though.

[ViciousDave4Life]

Thanks man. Yeah I don't know what it is, but when I had my airport on, all my web browsers would not connect to the internet at some point and it would just not connect at all sometimes. With it off, I never have had an issue with my internet not connecting again.

[Yelonde]

You fail to prove to me how multiple surveys that state the superiority in service and satisfaction for a product would be scientifically unviable. I have never seen such satisfaction ratings for PCs other than lenovo (that victory was short-lived), on any surveys. I am not, as you claim "a typical mac user" that hears "dodgy stats", I listen to the vast majority of popular opinions, and the vast majority of popular opinions admit that macs have the best quality hardware.

[Yelonde]

I suggest that you take your own advice, and immediately stop your ignorance. The statistics are out there, the proof is readily available, I have told you that the mac EFI bootloader goes directly to bootcamp, etc etc.

[Yelonde]

You claim that there is no legitimacy in these surveys; how are you one to speak? These surveys were taken over several months, and thousands of users were asked about their computers. Apple computer owners had the least amount of problems, and were the most satisfied. Please prove to me how "unscientific" these surveys were.

[codebean]

They are not scientific statistical analysis they use methods like self selection & selection bias which make them unscientific & thus are not good indicators for cause & effect. You might actually want to learn about statistics b4 you try & lecture me on a subject I've taken at university.

[Yelonde]

I see it as perfectly scientific. Both surveys asked random computer owners, and about their opinions about their computers. By asking several thousand people, they can get results that are representative of the rest of the opinion of computer users. Why do large companies boast that they win JD power awards? If JD power was not credible, noone would use it as a way to advertise their products. Despite your education at a university, you seem force yourself fromt believing proven results.

[Yelonde]

For example, the 2004 iMacs only take about 7 seconds to load up a user over a novell network login. The Dells took about 40 seconds on a novel network login. In addition, I could launch firefox in about 15 seconds after login on the mac. It took at least a minute for the PC to boot up IE8 after login. Despite having much faster processors and twice the ram, we NEVER do any multimedia editing on the PCs, because our teachers agree that they are unbearably slow.

[Yelonde]

What you save in the short run does not make up for what you save in the long run. My local school district has a few elementary schools that still use 1998 imacs in their computer labs. These 333-400 mhz machines are a decade old, but they are so incredibly reliable that many students still use them to type up documents, create presentations, and for research on homework. You could NOT do this on a 1998 PC secury, quickly, or reliably.

[ASCII808]

1998 imacs reliable, no way, they are probably too cheap to replace them. when I was at school they had a mini machine running Windows 98. ( these are about 6 feet tall and pretty wide). it was used for web hosting in our classroom.

[ViciousDave4Life]

It's odd how I haven't done one of these Mac vs. PC video in a long long time. Well, here's some real ownage from yours truly. There's no more playing around, Vicious Dave backs his ass up and shows factual evidence ass clowns.

[macward66]

good ownage Dave

[ViciousDave4Life]

Hahaha, nice to see you here macward. Sorry about the dirty language, but you know my hardcore style about things.

[illage2]

What I mean is. You have to install Windows to play games. At the end of the day it technically becomes a PC.

[ViciousDave4Life]

That was my point. Ummm, yah. Seriously.

[AppleSoldier]

but "technically" we can run 2 os's and pc cant. Thats a HUGE DEAL!!! especially when an imac can game like this. there is no reason to choose a pc if you can get a mac AND a pc in one.

[illage2]

A PC can Dual boot, heck it can even triple boot. Sure it might not be able to dual boot with Mac OSX.

[TheWMhater]

Yeah, it's the worst lock-in tactic that you can expect from Apple.

[ASCII808]

How do you play resident evil 5 on the pc the controls are terrible, I can only knife while standing still, and the camera is a POS. its so sluggish and hard to aim.

[ViciousDave4Life]

It's better to play with a controller. Use an Xbox 360 controller, the PC version was made specific with the Xbox 360 controller.

[LikeATox]

That is really low score for that specs. because I have 500$ PC (2.50 GHz Intel C2D, 8 GB DDR2 RAM, ATI 4670 512 MB) that I bought last year and score is way better. Processor and memory are 6.4 and graphics, gaming graphics are 6.8... Maybe you can play on MAC, but even way cheaper and low specs PC is better. That is the fact.

[ASCII808]

the reason why his scores are low because of the benefits of AIO, being slower than mid-towers. he has a mobile version, that is why your graphic card rapes his.

[AppleSoldier]

he says graphics? WHat about everything else? lol, this isproof gou is all pc cares about. and I still dont believe he is faster until he makes a video and my i7 imac has the desktop 4850, not mobile. and if oyu look at teh scores the mobile is not THAT much slower. Not like your implying at all. if a mobile GPU can run this 24" at full settings WHY In the FUCK do you say a mac cant game. If it can do that with a mobile 4670 imagine what the imac with desktop 4850 or MP with 4870. We use OPENGL.

[ASCII808]

I never said you could not game on a mac, but Mac Osx has a lousy selection of games. most of the good ones imo are made 5 to 10 years ago. there is no way you or Vicious dave will play the most demanding games at max resolution with max quality. even on Windows. You can't play Crysis on max settings on a imac sorry.

Why do you bring up bootcamp when you bash Windows, stop being a hypocrite.

porting cost money, and cod4 is the Windows version in WINE/cider.

own me, entertain me lol

[ViciousDave4Life]

Still, you have a 4670. LMAO! OLD! Get a 4800 series at least. OMFG.

[AppleSoldier]

lol i dont belive your 4670 scored better at graphics than his gpu, in fact i dont believe a word you just said. Make a video and proove it with YOU IN the video, if not. I think your a liar.Your specs are lower than his all around except for RAM. you saying your faster just because your on a pc ? lol he has a faster cpu and GPU than you and you expect me to believe you scored higher on graphics? Cause your on a pc? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Say it with me.

L - I - A - R

[illage2]

Yeah but you can't game when running on Mac OSX. You have to use Windows to run games.

[ASCII808]

they can play games just the old ones =D

[xXxKSA07xXx]

so yr saying that resident evil 5 is an old game?

[ASCII808]

lol funny guy Mac Osx can't play Resident Evil 5.

[xXxKSA07xXx]

really didn't know that. any idea why?

[ASCII808]

it costs money to port games, and making one for the mac usually won't make a lot of money. since the larger market is Windows, developers write their games for it.

[AppleSoldier]

HINCE BOOTCAMP!!You still dont get WE CAN RUN %100 of the worlds software, we have no limits. Mac has plenty of market share for games, if they didnt no one would make apps for mac cause they wouldnt sell. They make COD4 for mac and its making money. its MS and these stuck up game companies. THERE IS A BIG MARKET for mac games. They dont want to support 2 platforms TO MUCH HASSEL. The game DEVS ARE LAZY! It dont cost big money to post, are you crazy? it costs more to develop than port.

[illage2]

Alright, I admit defeat on this. I do know that there are games for the Mac OS, such as COD 4 and Red alert 3. The point I was really trying to make is that it's inconvenient to have to keep booting into your Windows partition all the time.

[ASCII808]

There are some good recent games on the mac, but I like most of the older ones like diablo II and starcraft. You need Windows to run those games, I don't hate Windows although I had some bad experiences with bootcamp and Virtual Pc on the mac. Its better to just get a separate Pc for Windows, Building is the cheapest way to go. 600$ is enough to be able to play most games on max except a few depending the size of the monitor.

[Caboose2321]

@AppleSoldier

PC has no limits we can run any OS as you can but wait you are limited I can get any part in my PC while the Mac is limited in what parts can be upgraded and only the Mac compatible parts can be chosen so you are limited hardware wise.

Enjoy 32GB's of RAM while I can get over 100GB's of RAM.

[ASCII808]

In some cases, Pc's have better compatibility than macs, they can run more Windows software than a mac can, and run many Os's like haiku, Linux Os/2, etc.

[Caboose2321]

@ASCII808

This is the reason PC is the best not only better compatibility but also we can get better hardware too.

[ASCII808]

yes that is true, I was mainly talking about compatibility because Applesoldier thinks he has 100% Windows compatibility with bootcamp when that is obviously not true. Most Pc's can not run all Windows software, but you can get Pc's that can run Windows 95 or at least run a larger majority of software than what bootcamp can provide.

[xXxKSA07xXx]

is that the only reason doesn't microsoft give money to make games exclusive to windows?

[ASCII808]

Some games not all, the same way Sony pays to keep Kill zone 2 exclusive.

[xXxKSA07xXx]

i see thanks. O and sony didn't pay for Kill zone 2 exclusivity

it was made by one sony 's developers 'guerrilla'. but most ps3 exclusives are made by 3rd party developers who like the ps3 hardware.

[AppleSoldier]

ASCII808 is FULL OF SHIT. A mac can play any game a pc can booted into bootcamp and it cam play it JUT AS WELL. if you listen to these ass speakers your become a troll like them. They are full of shit dude. If I can play crisis on my mac RE5 isnt a problem. the guy above is a total jealous ass speaker of mac.

[ViciousDave4Life]

are you seriously Mr. Obvious? What a douche.

[ASCII808]

How does explaining why Windows gets more games make me a douche?

[AppleSoldier]

This is what I mean, would you like me to install vista and buy the game and OWN you in front of 5000 people? Because I will make sure and HUMILIATE you for saying such dumbass things. You use bootcamp you can play ANYTHING, including RE5, and you ass talking is the reason why i do what I do.

[AppleSoldier]

so, why by a windows machine when you can get a mac and have best OF BOTH WORLDS legally.