the 2 year ban doesn't just mean if they devise a plan like that. It also means if they break f.i.a rules again they could be banned for life. I guess to a certain extent if it a serious rule or if they do something crazy again. and Good call on gnarls barkley, crazy :P .
very harsh for fabio, but piquet, why 1 year to say anything?!?!?
my worries are for the 2010 season. what kind of rules and regs. are f1 going to follow??? it seems f1 is not thinking correctly. grey lines and rules, where are they going?? i feel the silly things in f1 are not finnished. kat 0: comments??????
i wouldnt say mclaren got off lightly. i can see how mclaren deserved $100million fine and renault got no fine. ferrari spent a lot of time and money on developing their car and mclaren reaped some benefits. renault just had desperate idiot employees that used illegal strategy to win a race. plus given the economy these days a lot of f1 teams would probably leave f1 if they received such a heafty fine. mclaren looks like its the most sponsored car on the grid so they likely got more money.
i hope piquet's career isn't over... you never know what flavio used to do behind the scenes, he IS the cheapest, dirtiest team manager in the history of formula one, no arguments please, not even peter warr comes close...
if piquet could get another drive, possibly with one of the cosworth runners next year, we may be able to see him with team preference on his side... remember nigel mansell at lotus? i'm not for a second saying that piquet has THAT kind of potential but give him a chance...
Piquet saying he was under huge pressure from Flav is a bad reason for purposely crashing a car, Heikki Kovalainen was in a similar position, yet he managed and scored 30 pts for Renault, Piquet scored just 19. Piquet got a podium before Heikki in his 1st season too, no excuses.
Hey guys ive just had a though. I carnt remember that far back but Piquet has crashed a hell of a lot in his 2 year so if you guys can think back did any of the other races seem dodgey when you think about it. As we all know he cracshed at almost every race, lol. Yeah and Max you look pretty happy sat there m8. : )
McLaren got off lightly in a way. Renault certainly did get off lightly, but a money penalty for McLaren did nothing. They got free technology and won the next title.. 2008.
So the option was, disqualify them from the 2007 and 2008 seasons ! killing their revenue from that, 2nd place is a big deal you know and gets you a lot of money from Bernie.
Perhaps I should say, the penalty was FAIR not harsh, to the side of being less of an impact that it could. There is no doubt spying on Ferarri was beneficial to them and that knowledge never leaves their engineers heads..
Is Renault going to sue Flavio for dragging the Renault brand through the mud? Or...does Renault just want this to all go away? How much will this cost Renault in the long run?
theres no evidence to suggest alonso knew anything. i doubt that when briatore and symonds hatched this scheme they felt any need to tell alonso anything. all they gotta do is tell alonso when to pit and tell piquet when to crash and let it work out as planned.
Great analysis guys, one thing that has not been said is how well the FIA dealt with this crisis, they acted quickly, were open with the public, dished out justice & have drawn a line now saying lets move on. I think they dealt with it very professionally. I agree the fear of losing renault from F1 was a major factor in not cashing in with fines.lets hope everyone fans/fia/teams can now move on & get back to racing.driver market -piquet is as useful as a ghost s shadow. cool jacket there Max.
Well Nelson obviously never thought of the consequences of letting this out. He should of just accepted that he wernt a part of the renault Alonso setup. He has jumped in with both feet and like you guys said if he goes then he will take them down with him. But in hindsight he has jepardised his whole career. For What ? Whats he gained from it all by saying all this as its clear its not coz he wanted to be honest. I just think all 3 involved should of been punished with the same penalty.
Nelson's involvement in "crash gate" has ended his career in F1. The thing I don't get is why he thought it was a good idea to come out with this information in the first place! If it were me I would have kept quiet and looked for somewhere else to drive in 2010.
I agree why are they thinking about getting rid of Kimi lets face it he won Ferrari a world title and Massa hasn't. If Kimi goes to Mclaren Lewis should be worried as not all finish drivers are a slow as Kovalainen.
Dont understand how Nelson didnt get a ban, he was the one driving the car, and all this "He was pressured into it" from his dad is a sack of shit!! Anyways, seems like Ferrari will atlast confirm Alonso at Suzuka with Kimi going to Macca, but have heard on the rumour mill that Lewis and his dad arent too chuffed about it...all points to a dynamite 2010!
Totally agree! Ok, I know his dad is also his manager/agent too, but do you see all the drivers have their manager's walking around the garage every race?! Sometimes I feel Anthony wants to be a big as personality as his son!
You, my friend, have summed up what I've thought for ages. Am fed up with seeing the 'I'm an important person' look on Anthony's face whenever the camera's on the Macca garage. - Max
Why should Lewis do it without his dad. He has been a huge part of his whole career so why change that. It dont cause any problems and I imagine it gives him that extra boost him being there. I just dont see why you have a problem with it to be honest. If your father had been with you your whole career and you enjoyed the success together then would you want him out the way ? Exactly !
Lewis will tell you hiself, He wants his dad there simply like I said all the success Lewis has had they share it together. Always have and I imagine always will do. Most dads dont really get involved so its a good I think. Anyway like I already said I dont see a problem with it. Plus wether people like it or not you think thats gonna change anything ? If he had just started showing up then id see your point but he aint and helped him all his life.
They just wanna support him mate thats all. For one Im pleased her and Lewis have stayed strong despite his status and so on, and hers for that matter but not sure why she chooses to be there, Like I said maybee she just very supportive of him. For his dad I dont have a problem with it as he been there for the long haul and always will be. Its like mine or your lass and family going to support us whatever we choose to do. I never even realised it was an issue till now in these comments.Take Care
true, anthony helped lewis through his entire career and if it weren't for him, he wouldn't be in formula one...
but really do we need to see him every single second of a broadcast... every single time, just before the lights go out, they cross to the mclaren garage, lewis makes a pitstop, we see his dad, lewis sets fastest lap, we see his dad...
appart from australia, when have we seen john button this season? who you might ask? oh yeah jenson has a dad too!
his dads proud of him. he raised him from racing go karts as a little boy to racing in the highest possible ranks of racing. its a dream come true and his dad will probably always be around the paddocks
If the Renault F1 team is banned for 2 years why is the team talking about their driver lineup for next season?
ImTheMostViewed 2 years ago
the 2 year ban doesn't just mean if they devise a plan like that. It also means if they break f.i.a rules again they could be banned for life. I guess to a certain extent if it a serious rule or if they do something crazy again. and Good call on gnarls barkley, crazy :P .
jraybay 2 years ago
I think max might need more serotonin!'
bigirls00075 2 years ago
very harsh for fabio, but piquet, why 1 year to say anything?!?!?
my worries are for the 2010 season. what kind of rules and regs. are f1 going to follow??? it seems f1 is not thinking correctly. grey lines and rules, where are they going?? i feel the silly things in f1 are not finnished. kat 0: comments??????
katlvsf1 2 years ago
i wouldnt say mclaren got off lightly. i can see how mclaren deserved $100million fine and renault got no fine. ferrari spent a lot of time and money on developing their car and mclaren reaped some benefits. renault just had desperate idiot employees that used illegal strategy to win a race. plus given the economy these days a lot of f1 teams would probably leave f1 if they received such a heafty fine. mclaren looks like its the most sponsored car on the grid so they likely got more money.
didickcheeseburger 2 years ago
i hope piquet's career isn't over... you never know what flavio used to do behind the scenes, he IS the cheapest, dirtiest team manager in the history of formula one, no arguments please, not even peter warr comes close...
if piquet could get another drive, possibly with one of the cosworth runners next year, we may be able to see him with team preference on his side... remember nigel mansell at lotus? i'm not for a second saying that piquet has THAT kind of potential but give him a chance...
FormulaOneFan4Eva 2 years ago
consider me as one of your official loyal fans..
MoeTheSyco 2 years ago
Piquet saying he was under huge pressure from Flav is a bad reason for purposely crashing a car, Heikki Kovalainen was in a similar position, yet he managed and scored 30 pts for Renault, Piquet scored just 19. Piquet got a podium before Heikki in his 1st season too, no excuses.
skaife2 2 years ago
Good point Phil. Hope you're well mate! - Max
F1Podcast 2 years ago
Hey guys ive just had a though. I carnt remember that far back but Piquet has crashed a hell of a lot in his 2 year so if you guys can think back did any of the other races seem dodgey when you think about it. As we all know he cracshed at almost every race, lol. Yeah and Max you look pretty happy sat there m8. : )
ukogmickey 2 years ago
McLaren got off lightly in a way. Renault certainly did get off lightly, but a money penalty for McLaren did nothing. They got free technology and won the next title.. 2008.
TheRealJakeKool 2 years ago
1/3 of their annual budget and a penalty in hungary that literally costed them the constructors championship in 2007 is getting off lightly?
FormulaOneFan4Eva 2 years ago
In their FERRARI *cough* I mean McLaren, yeah
So the option was, disqualify them from the 2007 and 2008 seasons ! killing their revenue from that, 2nd place is a big deal you know and gets you a lot of money from Bernie.
They got off lightly.
TheRealJakeKool 2 years ago
Perhaps I should say, the penalty was FAIR not harsh, to the side of being less of an impact that it could. There is no doubt spying on Ferarri was beneficial to them and that knowledge never leaves their engineers heads..
TheRealJakeKool 2 years ago
Is Renault going to sue Flavio for dragging the Renault brand through the mud? Or...does Renault just want this to all go away? How much will this cost Renault in the long run?
jerryjoe88 2 years ago
I'd suggest they want it to go away. Commercially, they can't affort their already tarnished brand to be dragged further through the mud. - Max
F1Podcast 2 years ago
maybe someday when piquet matures some he will be worthy of a second chance in f1. the idiot just needs some time to grow up.
didickcheeseburger 2 years ago
I think Alonso should have also been penalised.
williampatton2007 2 years ago
why? penalized in what way?
didickcheeseburger 2 years ago
race win taken away since its obvious he knew.
williampatton2007 2 years ago
theres no evidence to suggest alonso knew anything. i doubt that when briatore and symonds hatched this scheme they felt any need to tell alonso anything. all they gotta do is tell alonso when to pit and tell piquet when to crash and let it work out as planned.
didickcheeseburger 2 years ago 2
were you guys toasted when you did this vid? Ya know, "pissed", drunk?
green95gt 2 years ago
Yes, yes and yes. Well I was. Pep's the more responsible one, ROFL! - Max
F1Podcast 2 years ago
Great analysis guys, one thing that has not been said is how well the FIA dealt with this crisis, they acted quickly, were open with the public, dished out justice & have drawn a line now saying lets move on. I think they dealt with it very professionally. I agree the fear of losing renault from F1 was a major factor in not cashing in with fines.lets hope everyone fans/fia/teams can now move on & get back to racing.driver market -piquet is as useful as a ghost s shadow. cool jacket there Max.
kingjimsixsix5 2 years ago
Good points mate and yeah, let's get back to the bloody racing. I love Suzuka (so does Pep) and can't wait for this w/e's race. - Max
F1Podcast 2 years ago
This has just ruined Renault(Flavio,Pat) and ruined Nelson Piquet Jr. career,because now Renault are being written off as cheaters and Nelson too.
mdlerd 2 years ago
I would expect Renault to at least return the money for the 10 points they cheated to get
bartool 2 years ago
Well Nelson obviously never thought of the consequences of letting this out. He should of just accepted that he wernt a part of the renault Alonso setup. He has jumped in with both feet and like you guys said if he goes then he will take them down with him. But in hindsight he has jepardised his whole career. For What ? Whats he gained from it all by saying all this as its clear its not coz he wanted to be honest. I just think all 3 involved should of been punished with the same penalty.
ukogmickey 2 years ago
Nelson's involvement in "crash gate" has ended his career in F1. The thing I don't get is why he thought it was a good idea to come out with this information in the first place! If it were me I would have kept quiet and looked for somewhere else to drive in 2010.
series2au 2 years ago 3
he mustve left the team on very bad terms to shit on symonds and briatore like that. they all deserved what they got.
didickcheeseburger 2 years ago
bullshit i want kimi over alonso
navyXDF 2 years ago
I agree why are they thinking about getting rid of Kimi lets face it he won Ferrari a world title and Massa hasn't. If Kimi goes to Mclaren Lewis should be worried as not all finish drivers are a slow as Kovalainen.
AbyssfanMart 2 years ago
Well guys, I live in Italy and here all we know that Kimi did not won a shit. Alonso, Hamilton and Massa lost.
MarMotorbiker 2 years ago
Dont understand how Nelson didnt get a ban, he was the one driving the car, and all this "He was pressured into it" from his dad is a sack of shit!! Anyways, seems like Ferrari will atlast confirm Alonso at Suzuka with Kimi going to Macca, but have heard on the rumour mill that Lewis and his dad arent too chuffed about it...all points to a dynamite 2010!
TheChosenRed 2 years ago
How long is this "Lewis and his dad" gonna remain a situation.
Whens Lewis gonna do it alone im wondering.
StephenSuttie1974 2 years ago
Totally agree! Ok, I know his dad is also his manager/agent too, but do you see all the drivers have their manager's walking around the garage every race?! Sometimes I feel Anthony wants to be a big as personality as his son!
TheChosenRed 2 years ago
You, my friend, have summed up what I've thought for ages. Am fed up with seeing the 'I'm an important person' look on Anthony's face whenever the camera's on the Macca garage. - Max
F1Podcast 2 years ago
Why should Lewis do it without his dad. He has been a huge part of his whole career so why change that. It dont cause any problems and I imagine it gives him that extra boost him being there. I just dont see why you have a problem with it to be honest. If your father had been with you your whole career and you enjoyed the success together then would you want him out the way ? Exactly !
ukogmickey 2 years ago
Dunno. Its just like little boy holding his daddys hand.
You dont see much of Managers/Agents, never mind dads.
StephenSuttie1974 2 years ago
Lewis will tell you hiself, He wants his dad there simply like I said all the success Lewis has had they share it together. Always have and I imagine always will do. Most dads dont really get involved so its a good I think. Anyway like I already said I dont see a problem with it. Plus wether people like it or not you think thats gonna change anything ? If he had just started showing up then id see your point but he aint and helped him all his life.
ukogmickey 2 years ago
Yeah fair enough. Sorry for going off topic.
Sick of the sight of his bird and his father at every race. Doing my head in.
Hopefully for her, and maybe him the novelty will wear off.
StephenSuttie1974 2 years ago
They just wanna support him mate thats all. For one Im pleased her and Lewis have stayed strong despite his status and so on, and hers for that matter but not sure why she chooses to be there, Like I said maybee she just very supportive of him. For his dad I dont have a problem with it as he been there for the long haul and always will be. Its like mine or your lass and family going to support us whatever we choose to do. I never even realised it was an issue till now in these comments.Take Care
ukogmickey 2 years ago
true, anthony helped lewis through his entire career and if it weren't for him, he wouldn't be in formula one...
but really do we need to see him every single second of a broadcast... every single time, just before the lights go out, they cross to the mclaren garage, lewis makes a pitstop, we see his dad, lewis sets fastest lap, we see his dad...
appart from australia, when have we seen john button this season? who you might ask? oh yeah jenson has a dad too!
HOLY SHIT!
OTHERWORLDLY!
FormulaOneFan4Eva 2 years ago
his dads proud of him. he raised him from racing go karts as a little boy to racing in the highest possible ranks of racing. its a dream come true and his dad will probably always be around the paddocks
didickcheeseburger 2 years ago 2