Jordan was simply ahead of his time. Kobe is playing in a much more competetive time. Simple as that. If Jordan was playing now a days...i think the stats would be much more even.
im a fan of both players, but dont be stupid you take away the shooters JORDAN HAD ON THOSE TEAM AND HE WINS 3 maybe 4?? FINALS...... why do you people act like JORDAN HAD NO HELP......... STEVE KERR,B.J ARMSTRONG, PIPPEN<HORACE GRANT, CARTWRIGHT,JOHN PAXSON,joed buecler, toni kukoc,ron harper,dennis rodman, john salley, robert parish YES HE WAS OLD BUT COULD STILL PLAY...... your going to say he had no center, bull shit in his career he played with with #7 centers over 7 feet tall
@83leaf yeah they did not win, cuz you still need jordan he is the star..... what would have happened if kobe left the lakers..... no championships it would be the same shit.... SO YOUR POINT IS
I think your argument is a complete joke just by seeing that mispelled name in your post, i'm not emphasizing the spelling, but the fact that you even think Jordan needed a guy like Jud, you're so incompetent at arguing you had to name almost every single one of Jordan's teammates? You expect MJ to go on the court 1 vs 5 literally?
Everyone has help, but the diff is how much help they had and how much of the load they carried
@Hawkhunter07 ... OOOK dick head so i miss spell one name. it sure seems to me that your all over JORDANS COCK.. from the looks of your profile page... you would ride his ROD too....the load he carried was not as much as you think it was.... pippen does he ring a bell.... GO BACK TO YOUR ROOM AND STARED AT JORDANS POSTERS ALL DAY..... LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually I said your argument was a joke not because of the spelling but the fact that you brought up Jud Buechler as one of the key components of why he won his championships. That makes you a complete joke because Jud averaged like 1-2 points during his run with the bulls
Pippen was not considered a HOF during his 1st 3peat and Jordan had no other allstars on his team in his 1st 3peat either.
but seeing how you talk about cock, you must be carrying a big load from your dad
you guys need to really check stats..... when jordan played there was not that manny great scores.. look it up... by the way kobe as 4 leading score... i saw both player on tv and live... i saw jordan back in 1987 and follow is career, i saw kobe...... both players played identical basketball.... keep one thing in mind guys SHAQ TOOK MOST OF KOBE SHOTS IN HIS EALY YEAR SO IMAGING NO SHAQ.. MAYBE A PPIPEN ON KOBE TEAM HE WOULD HAVE 6,7,8 SCORING TITTLES..STATS DONT DIFINE THE BEST PLAYER EVER....
@liweiwu007 he couldnt even win the game the other night...getting swept...no more laker dynasty....hahaha....and hes 32 what excuses are coming now...jordan started his dynasty at 32 and at 35 ended it...with clutch shooting...now it looks like kobes time is over and lebrum is coming to take it...but i hate lebrum...Jordan GOAT
@master im a fan of both players, but dont be stupid you take away the shooters JORDAN HAD ON THOSE TEAM AND HE WINS 3 maybe 4?? FINALS...... why do you people act like JORDAN HAD NO HELP......... STEVE KERR,B.J ARMSTRONG, PIPPEN<HORACE GRANT, CARTWRIGHT,JOHN PAXSON,joed buecler, toni kukoc,ron harper,dennis rodman, john salley, robert parish YES HE WAS OLD BUT COULD STILL PLAY...... your going to say he had no center, bull shit in his career he played with with #7 centers over 7 feet tall
all what people say kobe is the greatest is pure fiction!!!!!!
Why?
Becuase Jordan can score like crazy
and guy who made this video is stupid becuase he clearly said that Jordan is better at both ends becuase kobe cant stop jordan's jock strap LOL what a retard
And comparing them both makes me sick This is coming from a very loving Basketball fan MJ is clearly the GOAT and Lebron will soon suprpass kobe
And if he removes my comment it means that i'm saiying the truth.
@MrIamabitch mvps soley do put a player in a higher place then kobe. when lebron gets 5 scoring titles then maybe he can be considered better.! personally i dont know enough about lebrons stats to put up a valid argument so dont reply !
Here's the bottom line. If you were going to start a team for the ages, who would you want as your shooting guard? Michael Jordan. Period you freaking losers.
The thing I don't understand is basically every former player, coach, GM,and Kobe has said MJ is the greatest player ever....Why do these Kobe dick suckers insist on arguing with people who know basketball and not just Laker fanboys?
i urge anyone to to google "kobe still a sidekick" and click on the 1st thing......looks like the verdict is in......my posts are facts.....and im "beyond incredible".....hahahahaha......consider yourself lucky to be schooled by the basketball einstein
@mikenotnumber1 ....everything i post can be verified as facts.....and the great thing is,you know it.....hahahahahahahhaha......so many people know about my legendary reputation as a basketball genius.....and you are the main one who knows im a bball genius.....it is a dagger in your heart each time u find out the facts on how pathetic kobe bryant really is
@mikenotnumber1 ....u have said u like shaq,lebron,and mike....
damn,u even have "shaqs gangsta move on michael jordan" as a video favorite......a video i told u about......i clearly have a huge influence over your.....hard not to be influenced with all the facts u have received from me....
@mikenotnumber1 yeah just ask sam perkins, reggie miller, and gerald wilkins for the new york knicks...as far as them flat top fades.....back in the late 80's and the early 90s...that was THE STYLE...hard to imagine looking in retrospect...lololol
@80s90sRealBasketball ....mikenot calling me a tool?....hahahaha....i post fact after fact after fact......its one thing to constantly bad-mouth kobe.....another to post fact after fact after fact exposing him to be overrated and a sidekick.....facts are facts
@mikenotnumber1 hey i respect both of you guys.....man you are funny...i was enjoying the things you said.....it made me feel better after these fucked up days i've been having LOL well the tool thing..you know him better than i do...well me and him may go at it someday...hell..i don't know...LOL shit......i'll leave that battle to you guys....LOL that is too intense for me.....but yes that dunk that mj was = beating LOL
LA LAKERS THE START OF A DYNASTY AND QUAD RINGS IN A ROW!!! THIS NEXT YEAR WE'LL 3PEAT AND KOBE WILL TIE JORDAN THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND FINISH KOBES CARRER OFF WITH A 7TH TITLE AND THE G.O.A.T TITLE!!! FUCK ALL YOU HATERS! LA.>ALL
ALL I GOT TO SAY IS WHEN KOBE RETIRES WITH A MINIMUN OF 7 RINGS WTF ARE ALL YOU FAGGOT MJ DICK RIDERS GONNA SAY???KOBE = BEING COMPARED TO JORDAN AS THE ALL TIME GREAT AND HAS AT LEAST FOUR MORE YEARS OF PLAYING..LOL THINK ABOUT IT WHEN KOBES CARRER IS DONE IT WILL BE A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT!
@LADYNASTY824 Russell has more than twice the rings Kobe does....I guess he's the best ever by your standards. Sam Jones (who played with Russell) has 10.
Kobe Bryant scoring: 81 points in a ('05-'06) regular season game (2nd most all time) against the Raptors, who finished with a 27-55 record, is impressive.
Michael Jordan scoring: 63 points in the ('85-'86) Playoffs (an NBA Playoff Record) against a Celtics team that ended up winning the NBA Championship, finished with a 67-15 record, and is considered to be one of the Top 10 Greatest NBA teams of All-time IS EVER MORE IMPRESSIVE.
@jlangston23 what about kobe scoring 62 in 3q on the number one dallas mavs kobe the goat he has dominated two era's of better trained players and better stratigized game and style of play and he aint nearly done cause its his personal vandetta to be the best to ever play the game. and not let lebrick james get a ring while he still grace the court. (bill russell)greatest winner 9 in a row enough said
this shit is getting bored kobe is kobe and mike is mike, mike is the goat and kobe is top 5, i cant believe people would even think kobe > mj, this coming from laker fan and thinking lakers wont repeat this year, its not really that good offensively this year, seems like kobe is slacking like everyone else
@TruthIsSweet7 why becuz i can see the truth and not be a stuipid bandwagon guy fuck u, and the lakers have improved alot in the postseason, i never tought they would freeking sweep the jazz, if they played like this a month ago i wouldve said repeat, kiss my ass bitch
jordan-6 trips to the finals,6 titles,6 finals mvps,6 times he was leading scorer kobe-6 trips to the finals,4 titles,1 finals mvp,2 times he was leading scorer PLAYOFF AVERAGES jordan- 33.4 ppg 6.4 rpg 5.7 apg 2.1 spg kobe-- 25.0 ppg 5.1 rpg 4.7 apg 1.4 spg PLAYOFF SCORING 50+pt games=jordan 8,kobe 1 40+ pt games=jordan 38,kobe 9 30+ pt games=jordan 109,kobe 64 20+ pt game=jordan 174,kobe 127 jordan played 179 playoff games to kobes 175...jordan=way better than kobe
@usaved Kobe plays in an era filled with weak defenses. Phil Jackson himself said that if Jordan in his prime were to play in the NBA today, he'd avg 45 ppg easy.
@shaqpopcorn34 well also jordan didnt play his first playoff game until he was in his prime, kobe had to share the spotlight with shaq. its not just stats to see who is better.
@once2ice ...the playoffs is where legends are made.....when the intenisty is highest......kobe is well behind jordan,shaq,lebron and many others.....kobe is a career sidekick.....and very overrated
@once2ice ......did u know that i never rooted for michael jordan a day in my life?....lololololol.....as u can tell by my fucking name,i rooted for shaq......look at my profile,do u see any jordan videos?...lolololol
im simply stating the facts........the facts are kobe isnt close too being the player michael jordan was......NOT EVEN CLOSE....
shaq rendered kobe a sidekick for 8 yrs.....know the facts....you worship kobe.....stick a fork in kobe,hes done....
@shaqpopcorn34 if u ask me shaq is the sidekick. before kobe he could not win a ring in orlando or la. when kobe came they won 3 rings. back then shaq was a veteran and no one knew how kobe would became therefore shaq was considered the best player in the team. eventually people realized that really shaq qas the sidekick. dont tell me kobe is a sidekick to someone who cant make a free throw. without shaq kobe went to the finals 3 times and won it 2 times. shaq would not have won without wade.
@shaqpopcorn34 lmfao so u telling me gasol is the best player in the lakers? dont get upset because kobe passed shaq in the rank of best all time. kobe will be the best ever by the end of his career. in fact kobe is the best ever already.
@once2ice ...im not upset in the slightest.....u must not know my reputation......i do no go by what others say.....
the top 4 impact players i have ever seen are
1.shaq 2.lebron 3.magic 4.i guess mike....so far.....d.wade is coming for mike.....no chance in hell mike could stop wade.....im not saying wade could stop mike,but mike couldnt stop wade.....u think if an "expert" tells me im wrong ill get upset?.....I AM THE EXPERT...LOLOLOLOL.....i am a bball genius....stats genius as well
@shaqpopcorn34 buddy take it is. ur just another person putting his opinion on youtube. dont get ahead of urself. players like shaq cant really do anything unless someone gives them the ball like 6 inches away from the basket. he is just a role player. great players like kobe and wade can do it by themselves by taking it in or shooting it. or they can pass it to players like shaq. players like kobe and wade make other players in the team like shaq better. so without a kobe or a wade shaq=0.
@once2ice ...shaq a role player?...wow...thanks for admitting that kobe bryant was outscored 4 times in the finals by a role player...kobe lost 3 straight finals mvps to a role player...kobe had a lower PER all 8 years than his role player teammate,shaq...lololololol
kobe scored 78 pts in the 00 finals...role player shaq scored 228 pts....mr.81 was outscored by 150 pts by a "role player" to win a title...
the more u bring shaq down,the more u bring kobe down...
@cespin3823 ok 1st shaq won 3 finals mvp because he was considered a vetran and a leader of the team. 2nd stats are not everything u judge a player by. 3rd they got to the finals because of kobe in 04 and losing is part of the game dont blame it on kobe. ok did jordan have a + 80 or +70 game? the only time he came close was when he had 69 i think which was in over time. kobe also appeared in more playoff games and won more playoff games. and he went to the finals 7x.
went to the finals 7 times..4 because of shaq, and tipical Finals Kobe shooting and missing WAY to much. U saying that shaq got finals MVP because he was the Vet holds no truth at all..NUMBERS DONT LIE and in the Finals Shaqs numbers stayed consistant or increased, while Kobes numbers dropped to under 23 ppg, its a fact buddy and its a fact that every time Kobe has been in the Playoffs, his Numbers have dropped in the Finals.its his team that elevates kobe not the other way around
Kobe will be the greatest ever. People worship mj like God. Dont just say mj b/c u here people say it. y is mj better? and dont give a dumb answer like b/c he just is?
#1 he made players around him better or maybe not better but he gave them more confidence...as danny ainge said "his wiil to win was contagious" or as Phil said "the influence on pippen from micheal was almost from day 1"....#2 he was smarter: usually when KB is doubled he jacks up a shot, jordan would dribble away from the double or he would pass to a teammate & then reposition himself 2 get a better look....#3 what ever his team needed he would do, if they needed a rebound he would get it
@shaqpopcorn34 And with that comparison along with kobes inability to will his team to a victory over the Mavs. I would like to express how deeply appreciated your contribution is to ending this silly Argument. Kobe better than Jordan ...... please. the only other player ive seen that was dominant as jordan was shaq in his La prime. you knew if he got it in the post it was over. Jordan was the same thing i believed every shot he took was going in.
You know you win an arguement when everybody that argues you, changes the debate midway through. First, Phil said they on the same level...my response, Kobe said Mj the best ever, along with bird and magic. Second, Bill Russell won more titles....Ok? I thought this was a MJ and Kobe debate? And Russell wasn't even the best center of all time. So he isn't in the debate of best of all time if he can't win his freakin position. Then last.........
Then last....some clown says....WELL IF SOMEBODY COMES AROUND TO OUT DO JORDAN YOU WON'T GIVE HIM CREDIT BECAUSE YOU THINK NOBODY CAN EVER OUT DO HIM...... I don't have to believe he will ever be passed!! lol. Take a look at all that mans accomplishments and maybe you will understand why I feel that way smart guy! lol. Until I see it, i will not believe it. And it won't happen in a year or scoring 81 pts in a game. So spare the pathetic attempts to argue a lost battle. AGREE WITH ME OR BE A FOOL
Everyone wants to say they saw the greatest. Thats where the Kobe arguement comes in. From those too young to remember the real jordan. And when Jordan was Kobes age, there was still no one even close to his greatness!! Lebron is there with Kobe, Wade is there with Kobe. MJ was still by his self at 33 34 and 35. Damn I am murdering yall!! You all lost the debate long long ago!! KOBE WON'T PASS MJ!! NOBODY WILL PASS MJ!! ACCEPT IT!! LMAO!!
Everyone wants to say they saw the greatest, including you. Including me, as well. When you say that noone will pass MJ you're setting yourself up so that no matter what happens or who appears, in your mind MJ will be the greatest, which is fine, but not entirely honest, i think.
I don't want to say, I am accurately stating the facts. I won't believe anyone will surpass until I see it with my own eyes over a period of ones career. It is entirely honest until it happens, and it hasn't come close to happening, so where's the lack of integrity behind what I said? Im setting myself up to believe that if nobody shows me, or has the ability to show me, I don't have change my view. So go digging for a hole in somebody elses arguement. You failed at trying to find one here buddy
quote it!! LOL!! What does that prove? I am right until somebody proves me wrong. And it won't be proven wrong. I have to see it to believe it and i don't believe I ever will so therefore " NOBODY WILL PASS MJ! ACCEPT IT!!" what exactly is your point? I dominated this arguement so much that people like you CHANGE THE ARGUEMENT just to make a point. LMAO. You losers make me laugh. Thats how I know, that you know, I am right. Jordan is better than Kobe. Refute that please. Stop changing the debate
Let me end this arguement. Jordan, 5mvps, 6 titles, 6 finals mvps, only player to win defensive player and mvp in the same season, all team first defense 10+ times, first team 12 times, 12 all star apperances, 2 gold medals, all time leader in ppg at 30.1. Prevented Karl Malone, John stockton, Reggie Miller, Mark Jackson, Charles Barkley, Clyde Drexler, Gary Payton, Magic Johnson....all hall of famers, from winning a title on his head. Kobe has 4 RINGS, ONE FINALS MVP. ONE MVP ONE GOLD MEDAL.
Im sorry I missed Patrick Ewing, another hall of famer. Nobody can sit down with me and win this arguement. Or even make a case for kobe without looking ignorant, clueless, foolish, and biased against MJ. So all Kobe fans, he's great, the 2nd greatest SG of all time. THAT AINT BAD!!! LOL!!!
y are ppl comparing them like this when kobe is STILL playing?? like every other sportscaster or NBA analyst, we all kno Kobe can play at a high lvl for like 3 or 4 more years. thats a chance for more titles than MJ so stop comparing them untill Kobe's career is over!
Hold up youngclueless......He has to get six titles to even begin an argument. THERE IS NO ARGUEMENT RIGHT NOW AND WON'T BE WHEN HE'S DONE. He will still be short 3 or 4 mvps, still short 4 or 5 finals mvps, still short 7 or 8 scoring titles, still short, one gold medal, still short two defensive titles, still short all time ppg average. You act like getting six rings means you in jordans class, no youngsta that's just the start Accept that you missed out on the best ever and you watchin #2 dawg
@hennskin LOL so even tho Russells numbers are better than MJ's youre still gonna say MJ's better rite. Phil Jackson already has put Kobe and MJ in the same breath in multiple comparisons so who are you?
wait how are russels numbers better than jordan?...how many MVP's does russel have, how many times has he lead the league in scoring, what was his ppg 4 his career, who was a better free throw shooter, who was better at steals...russle only has rings, blocks & rebounding over jordan....jordan still had a much more successful career.
Im sombody who actually saw jordan in his prime face all the best hall of famers of the late 80's and throughout the entire 90's and has seen kobe to be able to make a fair comparison on the two. Something you can't say that's why you bring Russell in the arguement, cause I molly whopped you and your pathetic arguement brethren. Russel isn't even the best center of all time That goes to wilt chamberlain potna, he's the winningest center, yes, but if you ain the best in your position, u excluded
Young, you are young!! LMAO!! Your name gives it away. In order to be the best ever you have to be the HANDS DOWN BEST AT YOUR POSITION. Russell isn't. So your weak arguement looks even more pathetic now! Ha! And if you wanna use what phil said agianst me, then how about what Kobe said??? "THAT'S MIKE, HE IS THE GREATEST, NOBODY WILL BE GREATER THAN MIKE, EVER! I JUST WANNA BE KOBE, BUT MIKE IS THE BEST." Based of what you just said bout Phil, I just won the debate. KOBE AGREES WITH ME YOUNGSTA!
Actually Jackson in one of the two comparisons you're speaking of called jordan the best inside player ever, and complimented Jordan's fg% over Kobe's, he did compliment Kobe's outside shooting, saying that Kobe's might be better then MJ's. Watch them yourself, again, if you don't believe me.
until now no one can surpass hakkem olojown n center position.. so stop commenting jordan didnt have a competition in his days... even laebrom james will be embarased if he was in the era where motumbo and alonzo morning was in their prime... and kobe will not do fade away jumpshots if jordan didnt demonstrated dat it is an undefendable shot...
jordan was ahead of his time,he was also the teacher. Kobe and the rest of the NBA.wer students. jordan won his rings in a era that had few greats. if he were to play today he wouldnt be able to handle lakers ,celtics,magic,cavs ect the students done surpass the teacher. its kinda hard to play against a mirror. jordan was the best becuz he had no compitition look at the film bunch of white guys that cant jump now you got nothing but athletic blacks who mimic there game from jordan and improve it
drexler, penny, lewis, dr. dunkenstein, wilkins, nance, woolridge, sprewell, elliot, theus, blackman, stansbury, harper, kersey, kenny sky walker....were white guys that couldn't jump?....btw being athletic doesn't mean much which is y jason richardson, josh smith, tyrus thomas are a bunch of nobodies just like moon, green & warrick.
I disagree when you say "Jordan won his rings in an era with few greats". They had partly Larry Bird in his era but he was getting older, but they had Dominique Wilkins, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Hakeem Olajuwon and many more. They also had Clyde Drexler
Are you retarded? There are the same amount of caucasians playing now as in MJ's day. Korver just blocked LBJ last night. Jordan regularly torched athletic guards (Drexler in 92 finals as a perfect example). Jordan would obliterate the league today with its defensive rules designed to let perimeter offensive players flourish. Jordan is GOAT and it's not close.
What's up with all these talk about Kobe having better skills than MJ?
Kobe took MJ's whole post game/footwork from MJ's 96-98 years..look at MJ's game during those years and u can clearly see MJ already had those skills before Kobe has even begun to use them
The up and under on the block, the double pivot (MJ invented), the FADEAWAY, etc. etc.
oneman91 how can you say MJ invented to double pivot? thats not true at all.
i love them both tho excellent players that can score and defend like no other. but 2 different eras the debate isn't worth name calling. if i had to pick 1 i would say its a win win situation. i would just pick kobe for style points
everybody said base on watching Kobe. Those of us that saw MJ from rookie to retirement and are now watching Kobe, without bias, MJ is way better. When Kobe led Lakers to 6 titles as the main man, than we will start comparing the two.
kobe is more offensvly dangerous then jordan has the same if not better footwork and his jump shot is better. Kobe also works harder than jordan. ''I dont think ive known anyone that works as hard as kobe does'' Phil jackson. ok jordan has 6 titles but as a indivdual player kobe is the best to ever play the game . He is the most dangerous offensevly player that the nba has ever seen, and the most versitile
its debatable, i've accepted that there is no best player of all time, there's just the best players of all time, alot of us who are kobe fans didn't watch basketball or watched it as seriously as we watch it now because we may have been too young, i would never doubt mj's work ethic...its just as high as kobe's i'm sure
what other word would Phil Jackson say at this time. PJ has to use his zen on Kobe. But it is well documented that MJ works for hours before and after practice etc, "never satisfied." On offense, MJ dominate PF, C, SF like they are kids...
how exactly? He couldn't score against the Celtics or Pistons in the NBA finals in 2004/2008
Jordan has 6 Nba titles but Kobe is the better player individually? what does that suppose to mean
All Kobe has on MJ is his range...and that doesn't matter cuz Jordan shoots the same % as Kobe does in the playoffs and even a better 3 pt shooter than Kobe in the NBA Finals
KB got his footwork/fundamentals from 96-98 MJ so idk about Kobe having better skills than MJ
different Role..Lets give Kobe this teAM THAT HE HAS..AND lETS MAKE kOBE 23 YEARS OLD rIGHT NOW..everyone remembers Kobe at 23? the one who was owning twin towers year in and year out? what would happen ? 6 title is not that far stretched as you think given right tallent..right team and right age.
Kobe is older now of course he can not win 6 Titles, its not impossible but improbable, different roles make different history of players,
I agree with Rustaveli2k7 Jordans accomplishments over shadow Kobe by far. But as an individual and as the more all around player Kobe comes out on top not by a large amount, only by a small margin.
oh yes i forgot how about BETTER SCORER THEN ANYONE EVER? Mj can not Match Kob'e fire..when Kobe is on you can forget about it..we have seen it time after time..triple pump fake fadeaways..etc this is what i mean yes in some things KObe was better then MJ.
and best of all like i said Kobe does it in Villan Mode, NBA does not like him nowhere near as MJ, NBA is as much business as sport, Kobe has been mistreated by NBA ever since his rape case big time.
what skills does Kobe have better then MJ? according to Phil Jackson he is "ALL ROUND MORE SKILLED PLAYER"
this means better footwork because he used to play soccer and still does sometimes, better range and more developed consistent jump shot early in his carrier.
better body control in the air, that's about it.
on another hand MJ did have bigger hands and more athletic body which allowed him to do more things, but as far as skill, handle and amount of moves Kobe has Mj did not have that.
all you do is resort to name calling land saying any Kobe fan is a young, I am almost 29 I have seen MJ at his prime he was amazing and he won many times many ways. yet when i compare Mj's Game to Kobes game it falls short, but Kobe falls short of accomplishments, but then you have to take in consideration that his game got developed differently due to different role he had to have.
take talent and skill compare Kobe wins you can be mad all you want but it's truth.
so that means lebron and wade are better to right? both are playing better than kobe. more efficient. better defense, more points.more assists. this is one of the many reasons you sound like a fool! what skill does kobe have that tops mike? i'll give you the three pointer by a slim margin but thats definitely not a good thing if you really know basketball. mike was smarter, had better footwork, better court vision, better mid range jumper, better inside scorer, better D, and many more
that's the problem with you and your stupid type of people who can not see the game beyond numbers and who has won what, sorry my outlook to the game is little different, let me tell you Kobe may not be Jordan in accomplishments and stats, but he is as good if not better skill wise and polished game then anyone ever period.
Kobes role was different therefore his game got developed differently, skill wise he is better then MJ it is not hard to see he has way more moves.
KObe has been there and done that with the best..and check this Kobe does it in a VILLAN MODE, MJ the darling and an icon of NBA was treated same as Lebron is right now, Kobe did have that status once, but after his rape case he has been hated, he is one of the most hated athletes ever, yet he is the best..Jordan never had to go through adversity and drama like KObe..yet Kobe is the best, I HAVE SEEN NBA DISRESPECT GAME OF BASKETBALL with no calls on Kobe....AND YET KOBE IS THE BEST.
I have seen refs totally dishonor the game and themselves with No calls and double standarts on Kobe..remember the Cavs Game? you can find it here on you tube if you want to..remember how Lebron elbowed Webber yet did not even get fined while Kobe got suspended? they sent clear msg to kobe that NBA was not very fond of him..yet HE WAS THE BEST, he did not back down, he went through adversity and HE IS STILL THE BEST.
Kobe is one of GOAT's if you think otherwise your hate blinds you.
you are a goofy who cant let go of kobes nuts! hes not even playing the best right now! how is he better than mike. mike was the most dominant player for at least 13 yrs. and kobe played pippen role with shaq. you should be ashamed to dismiss all this logical reasoning while taking your emotional opinion as fact. its borderline gay
it's amazing that Kobe did not get even ONE mvp during those runs when it was really he who carried the team in clutch most of the times, either him or Horry or Fisher, shaq was nowhere to be found in clutch, to me Kobe should have been MVP twice and shaq once.
people talk Lotta crap yet they never have watched championship KObe and shaq and if you do you will find out that Kobe was the heart of that team especially in clutch.
Kobes Game is as good as Mj's if not better and that's the truth
it should be illegal to put kobe in the same sentence as mike! you bitchs compare a player who wasnt even the best on his own team to the best ever? you should be ashamed to have such little knowledge about the game!
you are clueless younging, Kobe was the best of Lakers even know Shaq averaged more points at times every one knew when they needed the backet especially in the clutch they would go to Kobe not Shaq, you obviously never watched laker games just another Media fanboy..Kobe was and is the lakers really, it was KObes clutchness that won those titles he was conststent in the clutch..all shaq did was dunk Kobes freebee baskets.
here we go again. another clown! go look up the stats. you dont even have to watch the games to know that shaq was the man on the lakers throghout there championship run if you look at the stats. you obviously werent watching . it was the double teams on shaq that left kobe open, not the other way around.
my man if you are trying to say ima young, thanks, haha
but you being the OLD guy here are way to nostalgic about the old times.
thats the thing about this old generation....always saying..."back in the day things were better" and "when i was young blah blah blah", "basketball isnt what it used to be"
man jordan had a bigger body but kobe is better defensively, if kobe had jordans body and size, damn the hell he would wreck
if only kobe had the mentality of winning and leading his team when he 1st started.. jordan started winning championship in the middle of his career and he got some good company and the defense before was not that good as today.. lets just say theyre both great.. but all i can say is "81" in the defense today.
defense today sucks u know nothing about baketball, u r an idiot if u honestly think that defense today is tougher, have u been watching basketball lately only boston plays real defense,rem jordan era was tougher plus they had hand checking rules, yeah 81 was great but the raptors sucks and they play no defense
u obviously have no idea idea what u r talking about, its a fact that they changed rules in the nba to allow more offense, there is absolutely no handchecking, u were allowed to be more physical in jordan era jordan did get double and triple teamed , and the 3 sec rule allows flow on offense, if u watch nba today its easier to penetrate to the basket without contact, thats why jordan would have dominated this era
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your lack of knowledge in the game of NBA makes you an unreliable source
in case you didnt know handchecking is still called. however it is usually no longer a handchecking call, but a reaching in call, which can also be switched to an offensive foul
not to mention Kobe is playing against a lot bigger tougher and stronger players with the addition of players coming from across seas
u obviously lack the knowledge in basketball so that makes u an unreliable source. they started changing rules so they can make the game today more exciting by scoring more. "not to mention Kobe is playing against a lot bigger tougher and stronger players with the addition of players coming from across seas" lmao u obviously havent seen any games from those 80s / 90's era of hardplay basketball.
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btww... people say jordan is the best cuz he's retired nd nobody wants to dirty up his name... AND WTFF r people talkin shit that kobe doesnt win, wasn't his squad #1 in the west conference?! wasn't jordan's bulls stacked to the max?! rodman, pippen, paxson?? lol hoo does kobe have... gasol? nd sum next overrated kid named bynum... hahhahah "kobe doesnt win"... 81 bitch
kobe bryant is better... jordan was good but he was ahead of his time, he played when the athletes were't as good as they are today, if there were any they were few. Think about htis... do u think if u put the 27 year old jordan in the league in 2005-06.... would he be able to hold kobe under 30 points? fucken lebron cant do it. btw... hooeva said lebron is the next jordan is fuckedd in the head.
Jordan was simply ahead of his time. Kobe is playing in a much more competetive time. Simple as that. If Jordan was playing now a days...i think the stats would be much more even.
baseball4life29 8 months ago
both top comments are the same, lol!
GamerAntman 8 months ago
Whoever says Kobe > Jordan deserves to get a bat across their head.
buckda54 8 months ago
Why can't we Love them both? Jordan was better though lol.
hatebunny 8 months ago
im a fan of both players, but dont be stupid you take away the shooters JORDAN HAD ON THOSE TEAM AND HE WINS 3 maybe 4?? FINALS...... why do you people act like JORDAN HAD NO HELP......... STEVE KERR,B.J ARMSTRONG, PIPPEN<HORACE GRANT, CARTWRIGHT,JOHN PAXSON,joed buecler, toni kukoc,ron harper,dennis rodman, john salley, robert parish YES HE WAS OLD BUT COULD STILL PLAY...... your going to say he had no center, bull shit in his career he played with with #7 centers over 7 feet tall
talentscout45 9 months ago
@talentscout45 What happen when jordan left basket ball for a couple seasons lol
83leaf 9 months ago
@83leaf yeah they did not win, cuz you still need jordan he is the star..... what would have happened if kobe left the lakers..... no championships it would be the same shit.... SO YOUR POINT IS
talentscout45 9 months ago
@talentscout45
LOL @ Joed buecler, you mean Jud Buechler right?
I think your argument is a complete joke just by seeing that mispelled name in your post, i'm not emphasizing the spelling, but the fact that you even think Jordan needed a guy like Jud, you're so incompetent at arguing you had to name almost every single one of Jordan's teammates? You expect MJ to go on the court 1 vs 5 literally?
Everyone has help, but the diff is how much help they had and how much of the load they carried
Hawkhunter07 8 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 ... OOOK dick head so i miss spell one name. it sure seems to me that your all over JORDANS COCK.. from the looks of your profile page... you would ride his ROD too....the load he carried was not as much as you think it was.... pippen does he ring a bell.... GO BACK TO YOUR ROOM AND STARED AT JORDANS POSTERS ALL DAY..... LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!
talentscout45 8 months ago
@talentscout45
Actually I said your argument was a joke not because of the spelling but the fact that you brought up Jud Buechler as one of the key components of why he won his championships. That makes you a complete joke because Jud averaged like 1-2 points during his run with the bulls
Pippen was not considered a HOF during his 1st 3peat and Jordan had no other allstars on his team in his 1st 3peat either.
but seeing how you talk about cock, you must be carrying a big load from your dad
Hawkhunter07 8 months ago
you guys need to really check stats..... when jordan played there was not that manny great scores.. look it up... by the way kobe as 4 leading score... i saw both player on tv and live... i saw jordan back in 1987 and follow is career, i saw kobe...... both players played identical basketball.... keep one thing in mind guys SHAQ TOOK MOST OF KOBE SHOTS IN HIS EALY YEAR SO IMAGING NO SHAQ.. MAYBE A PPIPEN ON KOBE TEAM HE WOULD HAVE 6,7,8 SCORING TITTLES..STATS DONT DIFINE THE BEST PLAYER EVER....
talentscout45 9 months ago
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Wilt 100 Points in 140* Possessions. Points In 100 Possessions= 71
Kobe 81 Points in 83* Possessions. Points In 100 Possessions= 98
Robinson 71 Points in 95* Possessions. Points In 100 Possessions= 74
Jordan 69 Points in 102* Possessions. Points In 100 Possessions=68
Kobe 62 Points in 67* Possessions. Points In 100 Possessions= 93
Kobe 61 Points in 78* Possessions. Points In 100 Possessions= 78
Kobe 56 Points in 66* Possessions. Points In 100 Possessions= 85
rmderke48 9 months ago
idc who is better loved seeing mj play love seeing kobe play
NicBruno131 9 months ago
@liweiwu007 he couldnt even win the game the other night...getting swept...no more laker dynasty....hahaha....and hes 32 what excuses are coming now...jordan started his dynasty at 32 and at 35 ended it...with clutch shooting...now it looks like kobes time is over and lebrum is coming to take it...but i hate lebrum...Jordan GOAT
masterofpuppets232 9 months ago
@master im a fan of both players, but dont be stupid you take away the shooters JORDAN HAD ON THOSE TEAM AND HE WINS 3 maybe 4?? FINALS...... why do you people act like JORDAN HAD NO HELP......... STEVE KERR,B.J ARMSTRONG, PIPPEN<HORACE GRANT, CARTWRIGHT,JOHN PAXSON,joed buecler, toni kukoc,ron harper,dennis rodman, john salley, robert parish YES HE WAS OLD BUT COULD STILL PLAY...... your going to say he had no center, bull shit in his career he played with with #7 centers over 7 feet tall
talentscout45 9 months ago
@liweiwu007 thats so stupid
masterofpuppets232 9 months ago
@LADYNASTY824 what was that 3 peat u talking bout...kobe always 2nd to jordan...HAHAHAHA
masterofpuppets232 9 months ago
@lilczar00 kobe at home realizing he wont ever be like jordan...lakers 2 peat HAHAHAHA
masterofpuppets232 9 months ago
kobe
lilczar00 10 months ago
kobe aint better than jordan offensively 58 points with a 89% in the field.and better clutch.
MrIamabitch 10 months ago
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JederWillHeibenSex 11 months ago
kobe#1
SetFireToTheMike 1 year ago
@SetFireToTheMike learn basketball
MrIamabitch 10 months ago
all what people say kobe is the greatest is pure fiction!!!!!!
Why?
Becuase Jordan can score like crazy
and guy who made this video is stupid becuase he clearly said that Jordan is better at both ends becuase kobe cant stop jordan's jock strap LOL what a retard
And comparing them both makes me sick This is coming from a very loving Basketball fan MJ is clearly the GOAT and Lebron will soon suprpass kobe
And if he removes my comment it means that i'm saiying the truth.
MrIamabitch 1 year ago
@MrIamabitch lebron will never pass kobe. your naive!
450rable 11 months ago
@450rable 2 mvps and like 18 years left in his career.
MrIamabitch 10 months ago
@MrIamabitch mvps soley do put a player in a higher place then kobe. when lebron gets 5 scoring titles then maybe he can be considered better.! personally i dont know enough about lebrons stats to put up a valid argument so dont reply !
450rable 10 months ago
Here's the bottom line. If you were going to start a team for the ages, who would you want as your shooting guard? Michael Jordan. Period you freaking losers.
thewolfmanchu 1 year ago
They are both great in the clutch. But maybe Larry Bird was better than both.... They are all great.
thewolfmanchu 1 year ago
@thewolfmanchu
Nop, Mike is finals MVP for every ring he has. Larry could not achieve that. No one could.
jkoruty 9 months ago
@jkoruty You never saw Larry obviously.
thewolfmanchu 9 months ago
mj=GOD
kobe=sidekick
jehnadaniel 1 year ago
is this way guys... MJ> KB >the mortals(the rest if the world)
SPQRAD0 1 year ago
Anyone who thinks kobe is a better clutch player than michael jordan has crackish tendencies and needs a mental health care pro. right away!
bighare08 1 year ago
y do jordan fans only point out stats jordan is better at. fuck u and ur stats. kobe is better.
once2ice 1 year ago
@once2ice dont cry pussy... u dont anything about bball!
jehnadaniel 1 year ago
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@jehnadaniel go fuck urself u cunt.
once2ice 1 year ago
The thing I don't understand is basically every former player, coach, GM,and Kobe has said MJ is the greatest player ever....Why do these Kobe dick suckers insist on arguing with people who know basketball and not just Laker fanboys?
GWDPREZ07 1 year ago
@mikenotnumber1 .....sure i post bullshit...
i urge anyone to to google "kobe still a sidekick" and click on the 1st thing......looks like the verdict is in......my posts are facts.....and im "beyond incredible".....hahahahaha......consider yourself lucky to be schooled by the basketball einstein
kobe=sidekick
shaqpopcorn34 1 year ago
@mikenotnumber1 ....everything i post can be verified as facts.....and the great thing is,you know it.....hahahahahahahhaha......so many people know about my legendary reputation as a basketball genius.....and you are the main one who knows im a bball genius.....it is a dagger in your heart each time u find out the facts on how pathetic kobe bryant really is
shaqpopcorn34 1 year ago
@mikenotnumber1 ....u have said u like shaq,lebron,and mike....
damn,u even have "shaqs gangsta move on michael jordan" as a video favorite......a video i told u about......i clearly have a huge influence over your.....hard not to be influenced with all the facts u have received from me....
kobe=sidekick
shaqpopcorn34 1 year ago
@mikenotnumber1 yeah just ask sam perkins, reggie miller, and gerald wilkins for the new york knicks...as far as them flat top fades.....back in the late 80's and the early 90s...that was THE STYLE...hard to imagine looking in retrospect...lololol
80s90sRealBasketball 1 year ago
@80s90sRealBasketball ....mikenot calling me a tool?....hahahaha....i post fact after fact after fact......its one thing to constantly bad-mouth kobe.....another to post fact after fact after fact exposing him to be overrated and a sidekick.....facts are facts
shaqpopcorn34 1 year ago
@mikenotnumber1 hey i respect both of you guys.....man you are funny...i was enjoying the things you said.....it made me feel better after these fucked up days i've been having LOL well the tool thing..you know him better than i do...well me and him may go at it someday...hell..i don't know...LOL shit......i'll leave that battle to you guys....LOL that is too intense for me.....but yes that dunk that mj was = beating LOL
peace mike!
80s90sRealBasketball 1 year ago
ahh the gold ol days
TheMoneyAndPower 1 year ago
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there is no greatest player of all time, each era has their player.
it WAS jordan n NOW its kobe.
2kking4reel 1 year ago
LA LAKERS THE START OF A DYNASTY AND QUAD RINGS IN A ROW!!! THIS NEXT YEAR WE'LL 3PEAT AND KOBE WILL TIE JORDAN THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND FINISH KOBES CARRER OFF WITH A 7TH TITLE AND THE G.O.A.T TITLE!!! FUCK ALL YOU HATERS! LA.>ALL
LADYNASTY824 1 year ago
ALL I GOT TO SAY IS WHEN KOBE RETIRES WITH A MINIMUN OF 7 RINGS WTF ARE ALL YOU FAGGOT MJ DICK RIDERS GONNA SAY???KOBE = BEING COMPARED TO JORDAN AS THE ALL TIME GREAT AND HAS AT LEAST FOUR MORE YEARS OF PLAYING..LOL THINK ABOUT IT WHEN KOBES CARRER IS DONE IT WILL BE A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT!
LADYNASTY824 1 year ago
@LADYNASTY824 Russell has more than twice the rings Kobe does....I guess he's the best ever by your standards. Sam Jones (who played with Russell) has 10.
TheGodOfBasketball1 1 year ago
@LADYNASTY824 Dude you need to get off Kobes dick, fuck man.
kikomonsta13 1 year ago
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Justin Bieber is basically the Kobe Bryant of basketball.Kobe Bryant>Michael jordan,
Justin Bieber>Michael Jackson.
felisberto2 1 year ago
Kobe Bryant scoring: 81 points in a ('05-'06) regular season game (2nd most all time) against the Raptors, who finished with a 27-55 record, is impressive.
Michael Jordan scoring: 63 points in the ('85-'86) Playoffs (an NBA Playoff Record) against a Celtics team that ended up winning the NBA Championship, finished with a 67-15 record, and is considered to be one of the Top 10 Greatest NBA teams of All-time IS EVER MORE IMPRESSIVE.
jlangston23 1 year ago
@jlangston23 what about kobe scoring 62 in 3q on the number one dallas mavs kobe the goat he has dominated two era's of better trained players and better stratigized game and style of play and he aint nearly done cause its his personal vandetta to be the best to ever play the game. and not let lebrick james get a ring while he still grace the court. (bill russell)greatest winner 9 in a row enough said
BANKSTOWNBOSS 1 year ago
dmx is cool, lol
TruthIsSweet7 1 year ago
this shit is getting bored kobe is kobe and mike is mike, mike is the goat and kobe is top 5, i cant believe people would even think kobe > mj, this coming from laker fan and thinking lakers wont repeat this year, its not really that good offensively this year, seems like kobe is slacking like everyone else
michilios01 1 year ago 2
@michilios01 yeah im glad you said that a month ago, i hate laker fans like u
TruthIsSweet7 1 year ago
@TruthIsSweet7 why becuz i can see the truth and not be a stuipid bandwagon guy fuck u, and the lakers have improved alot in the postseason, i never tought they would freeking sweep the jazz, if they played like this a month ago i wouldve said repeat, kiss my ass bitch
michilios01 1 year ago
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shaqpopcorn34 1 year ago 11
@shaqpopcorn34 Kobe's not done yet...that is the difference!
usaved 1 year ago
@usaved Kobe plays in an era filled with weak defenses. Phil Jackson himself said that if Jordan in his prime were to play in the NBA today, he'd avg 45 ppg easy.
jlangston23 1 year ago
@shaqpopcorn34 90's basketball is far different then new age basketball.
But Jordan prime is better than Kobe prime.
rhcpguitarar 1 year ago
@shaqpopcorn34 tru, tru and i agree with the kobe sidekick thing you said on the larry bird video...
80s90sRealBasketball 1 year ago
@shaqpopcorn34 well also jordan didnt play his first playoff game until he was in his prime, kobe had to share the spotlight with shaq. its not just stats to see who is better.
Redsoxlakes24 1 year ago
@shaqpopcorn34 y only playoffs
once2ice 1 year ago
@once2ice ...the playoffs is where legends are made.....when the intenisty is highest......kobe is well behind jordan,shaq,lebron and many others.....kobe is a career sidekick.....and very overrated
shaqpopcorn34 1 year ago
@shaqpopcorn34 ya typical jordan fan. in ur mind no one should even be compared to jordan. u worship him.
once2ice 1 year ago
@once2ice ......did u know that i never rooted for michael jordan a day in my life?....lololololol.....as u can tell by my fucking name,i rooted for shaq......look at my profile,do u see any jordan videos?...lolololol
im simply stating the facts........the facts are kobe isnt close too being the player michael jordan was......NOT EVEN CLOSE....
shaq rendered kobe a sidekick for 8 yrs.....know the facts....you worship kobe.....stick a fork in kobe,hes done....
its all about miami now
shaqpopcorn34 1 year ago
@shaqpopcorn34 if u ask me shaq is the sidekick. before kobe he could not win a ring in orlando or la. when kobe came they won 3 rings. back then shaq was a veteran and no one knew how kobe would became therefore shaq was considered the best player in the team. eventually people realized that really shaq qas the sidekick. dont tell me kobe is a sidekick to someone who cant make a free throw. without shaq kobe went to the finals 3 times and won it 2 times. shaq would not have won without wade.
once2ice 1 year ago
@once2ice ...well,i didnt ask u.....
kobe=sidekick
its a fact.....accept it.....not only a sidekick to shaq,but to gasol
shaqpopcorn34 1 year ago
@shaqpopcorn34 lmfao so u telling me gasol is the best player in the lakers? dont get upset because kobe passed shaq in the rank of best all time. kobe will be the best ever by the end of his career. in fact kobe is the best ever already.
once2ice 1 year ago
@once2ice ...im not upset in the slightest.....u must not know my reputation......i do no go by what others say.....
the top 4 impact players i have ever seen are
1.shaq 2.lebron 3.magic 4.i guess mike....so far.....d.wade is coming for mike.....no chance in hell mike could stop wade.....im not saying wade could stop mike,but mike couldnt stop wade.....u think if an "expert" tells me im wrong ill get upset?.....I AM THE EXPERT...LOLOLOLOL.....i am a bball genius....stats genius as well
shaqpopcorn34 1 year ago
@shaqpopcorn34 buddy take it is. ur just another person putting his opinion on youtube. dont get ahead of urself. players like shaq cant really do anything unless someone gives them the ball like 6 inches away from the basket. he is just a role player. great players like kobe and wade can do it by themselves by taking it in or shooting it. or they can pass it to players like shaq. players like kobe and wade make other players in the team like shaq better. so without a kobe or a wade shaq=0.
once2ice 1 year ago
@once2ice ...shaq a role player?...wow...thanks for admitting that kobe bryant was outscored 4 times in the finals by a role player...kobe lost 3 straight finals mvps to a role player...kobe had a lower PER all 8 years than his role player teammate,shaq...lololololol
kobe scored 78 pts in the 00 finals...role player shaq scored 228 pts....mr.81 was outscored by 150 pts by a "role player" to win a title...
the more u bring shaq down,the more u bring kobe down...
after all,kobe was the SIDEKICK
shaqpopcorn34 1 year ago
@once2ice kobe the best ever?? please prove this with facts, show us any stat that proves this.. show me a single stat that kobe owns over jordan..
shaq the sidekick? is that why shaq won the finals mvp 3 times over kobe? including the regular season mvp back to back..
kobe is the reason why the lakers lost in the 04 finals buddy..
cespin3823 1 year ago
@cespin3823 ok 1st shaq won 3 finals mvp because he was considered a vetran and a leader of the team. 2nd stats are not everything u judge a player by. 3rd they got to the finals because of kobe in 04 and losing is part of the game dont blame it on kobe. ok did jordan have a + 80 or +70 game? the only time he came close was when he had 69 i think which was in over time. kobe also appeared in more playoff games and won more playoff games. and he went to the finals 7x.
once2ice 1 year ago
@once2ice
went to the finals 7 times..4 because of shaq, and tipical Finals Kobe shooting and missing WAY to much. U saying that shaq got finals MVP because he was the Vet holds no truth at all..NUMBERS DONT LIE and in the Finals Shaqs numbers stayed consistant or increased, while Kobes numbers dropped to under 23 ppg, its a fact buddy and its a fact that every time Kobe has been in the Playoffs, his Numbers have dropped in the Finals.its his team that elevates kobe not the other way around
cespin3823 1 year ago 2
Kobe will be the greatest ever. People worship mj like God. Dont just say mj b/c u here people say it. y is mj better? and dont give a dumb answer like b/c he just is?
once2ice 2 years ago
#1 he made players around him better or maybe not better but he gave them more confidence...as danny ainge said "his wiil to win was contagious" or as Phil said "the influence on pippen from micheal was almost from day 1"....#2 he was smarter: usually when KB is doubled he jacks up a shot, jordan would dribble away from the double or he would pass to a teammate & then reposition himself 2 get a better look....#3 what ever his team needed he would do, if they needed a rebound he would get it
imsljr420 2 years ago 2
why is mj better?....better in every way...better BIG GAME PLAYER...far more efficient...smarter...BETTER
PLAYOFF COMPARISONS-
jordan- 179 games kobe- 175 games
20+ pt playoff games= jordan 174,kobe 127
30+ pt playoff games= jordan 109, kobe 64
40+ pt playoff games= jordan 38, kobe 9
50+ pt playoff games= jordan 8,kobe 1
jordan= 6 trips to the finals,6 titles,6 finals mvp,6 times he was leading scorer
kobe= 6 trips to the finals,4 titles,1 finals mvp,2 times he was leading scorer
shaqpopcorn34 1 year ago 11
@shaqpopcorn34 And with that comparison along with kobes inability to will his team to a victory over the Mavs. I would like to express how deeply appreciated your contribution is to ending this silly Argument. Kobe better than Jordan ...... please. the only other player ive seen that was dominant as jordan was shaq in his La prime. you knew if he got it in the post it was over. Jordan was the same thing i believed every shot he took was going in.
djataras 9 months ago
You know you win an arguement when everybody that argues you, changes the debate midway through. First, Phil said they on the same level...my response, Kobe said Mj the best ever, along with bird and magic. Second, Bill Russell won more titles....Ok? I thought this was a MJ and Kobe debate? And Russell wasn't even the best center of all time. So he isn't in the debate of best of all time if he can't win his freakin position. Then last.........
hennskin 2 years ago
Then last....some clown says....WELL IF SOMEBODY COMES AROUND TO OUT DO JORDAN YOU WON'T GIVE HIM CREDIT BECAUSE YOU THINK NOBODY CAN EVER OUT DO HIM...... I don't have to believe he will ever be passed!! lol. Take a look at all that mans accomplishments and maybe you will understand why I feel that way smart guy! lol. Until I see it, i will not believe it. And it won't happen in a year or scoring 81 pts in a game. So spare the pathetic attempts to argue a lost battle. AGREE WITH ME OR BE A FOOL
hennskin 2 years ago
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johnsmithe97901 2 years ago
Everyone wants to say they saw the greatest. Thats where the Kobe arguement comes in. From those too young to remember the real jordan. And when Jordan was Kobes age, there was still no one even close to his greatness!! Lebron is there with Kobe, Wade is there with Kobe. MJ was still by his self at 33 34 and 35. Damn I am murdering yall!! You all lost the debate long long ago!! KOBE WON'T PASS MJ!! NOBODY WILL PASS MJ!! ACCEPT IT!! LMAO!!
hennskin 2 years ago
Everyone wants to say they saw the greatest, including you. Including me, as well. When you say that noone will pass MJ you're setting yourself up so that no matter what happens or who appears, in your mind MJ will be the greatest, which is fine, but not entirely honest, i think.
Jrotten11 2 years ago
I don't want to say, I am accurately stating the facts. I won't believe anyone will surpass until I see it with my own eyes over a period of ones career. It is entirely honest until it happens, and it hasn't come close to happening, so where's the lack of integrity behind what I said? Im setting myself up to believe that if nobody shows me, or has the ability to show me, I don't have change my view. So go digging for a hole in somebody elses arguement. You failed at trying to find one here buddy
hennskin 2 years ago
"nobody will pass mj accept it"
Jrotten11 2 years ago
quote it!! LOL!! What does that prove? I am right until somebody proves me wrong. And it won't be proven wrong. I have to see it to believe it and i don't believe I ever will so therefore " NOBODY WILL PASS MJ! ACCEPT IT!!" what exactly is your point? I dominated this arguement so much that people like you CHANGE THE ARGUEMENT just to make a point. LMAO. You losers make me laugh. Thats how I know, that you know, I am right. Jordan is better than Kobe. Refute that please. Stop changing the debate
hennskin 2 years ago
Actually i think that Jordan is better then Kobe too. I was playing devil's advocate.
Jrotten11 2 years ago 2
plenty more recent buzzer beaters you could add =)
guywhoflys1 2 years ago
kobe is still young. by the end of his carrer he will be better than mj.
once2ice 2 years ago
young he is 31 years old. hes not surpassing mj only. kobe fans can dream
kingike25319 2 years ago
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ancientpimp 2 years ago
kobe is better in terms of scoring, hes tha kinna playa that can do anythang on tha flo if he wanted 2... But Mike is still better...
JMiahNYC20Fo 2 years ago
Let me end this arguement. Jordan, 5mvps, 6 titles, 6 finals mvps, only player to win defensive player and mvp in the same season, all team first defense 10+ times, first team 12 times, 12 all star apperances, 2 gold medals, all time leader in ppg at 30.1. Prevented Karl Malone, John stockton, Reggie Miller, Mark Jackson, Charles Barkley, Clyde Drexler, Gary Payton, Magic Johnson....all hall of famers, from winning a title on his head. Kobe has 4 RINGS, ONE FINALS MVP. ONE MVP ONE GOLD MEDAL.
hennskin 2 years ago
Im sorry I missed Patrick Ewing, another hall of famer. Nobody can sit down with me and win this arguement. Or even make a case for kobe without looking ignorant, clueless, foolish, and biased against MJ. So all Kobe fans, he's great, the 2nd greatest SG of all time. THAT AINT BAD!!! LOL!!!
hennskin 2 years ago
y are ppl comparing them like this when kobe is STILL playing?? like every other sportscaster or NBA analyst, we all kno Kobe can play at a high lvl for like 3 or 4 more years. thats a chance for more titles than MJ so stop comparing them untill Kobe's career is over!
YoungBeta 2 years ago
Hold up youngclueless......He has to get six titles to even begin an argument. THERE IS NO ARGUEMENT RIGHT NOW AND WON'T BE WHEN HE'S DONE. He will still be short 3 or 4 mvps, still short 4 or 5 finals mvps, still short 7 or 8 scoring titles, still short, one gold medal, still short two defensive titles, still short all time ppg average. You act like getting six rings means you in jordans class, no youngsta that's just the start Accept that you missed out on the best ever and you watchin #2 dawg
hennskin 2 years ago
@hennskin LOL so even tho Russells numbers are better than MJ's youre still gonna say MJ's better rite. Phil Jackson already has put Kobe and MJ in the same breath in multiple comparisons so who are you?
YoungBeta 2 years ago
phil jackson has already said jordan is the greatest player he's ever had & could consider him the greatest in the game.
imsljr420 2 years ago
wait how are russels numbers better than jordan?...how many MVP's does russel have, how many times has he lead the league in scoring, what was his ppg 4 his career, who was a better free throw shooter, who was better at steals...russle only has rings, blocks & rebounding over jordan....jordan still had a much more successful career.
imsljr420 2 years ago
This kid Young is a fool isn't he?? LMAO!!
hennskin 2 years ago
this youngbeta is just a typical kobe homer.
imsljr420 2 years ago
Im sombody who actually saw jordan in his prime face all the best hall of famers of the late 80's and throughout the entire 90's and has seen kobe to be able to make a fair comparison on the two. Something you can't say that's why you bring Russell in the arguement, cause I molly whopped you and your pathetic arguement brethren. Russel isn't even the best center of all time That goes to wilt chamberlain potna, he's the winningest center, yes, but if you ain the best in your position, u excluded
hennskin 2 years ago
Young, you are young!! LMAO!! Your name gives it away. In order to be the best ever you have to be the HANDS DOWN BEST AT YOUR POSITION. Russell isn't. So your weak arguement looks even more pathetic now! Ha! And if you wanna use what phil said agianst me, then how about what Kobe said??? "THAT'S MIKE, HE IS THE GREATEST, NOBODY WILL BE GREATER THAN MIKE, EVER! I JUST WANNA BE KOBE, BUT MIKE IS THE BEST." Based of what you just said bout Phil, I just won the debate. KOBE AGREES WITH ME YOUNGSTA!
hennskin 2 years ago
Actually Jackson in one of the two comparisons you're speaking of called jordan the best inside player ever, and complimented Jordan's fg% over Kobe's, he did compliment Kobe's outside shooting, saying that Kobe's might be better then MJ's. Watch them yourself, again, if you don't believe me.
Jrotten11 2 years ago
yea phil said Kobe's perimeter shooting is better than mj's and he said mj's post play is better than Kobe's
YoungBeta 2 years ago
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ancientpimp 2 years ago
@hennskin Exactly, preach on to these gay ass kobe dick riderz.
kikomonsta13 1 year ago
until now no one can surpass hakkem olojown n center position.. so stop commenting jordan didnt have a competition in his days... even laebrom james will be embarased if he was in the era where motumbo and alonzo morning was in their prime... and kobe will not do fade away jumpshots if jordan didnt demonstrated dat it is an undefendable shot...
kimwafu 2 years ago
jordan was ahead of his time,he was also the teacher. Kobe and the rest of the NBA.wer students. jordan won his rings in a era that had few greats. if he were to play today he wouldnt be able to handle lakers ,celtics,magic,cavs ect the students done surpass the teacher. its kinda hard to play against a mirror. jordan was the best becuz he had no compitition look at the film bunch of white guys that cant jump now you got nothing but athletic blacks who mimic there game from jordan and improve it
edcrazy187 2 years ago
drexler, penny, lewis, dr. dunkenstein, wilkins, nance, woolridge, sprewell, elliot, theus, blackman, stansbury, harper, kersey, kenny sky walker....were white guys that couldn't jump?....btw being athletic doesn't mean much which is y jason richardson, josh smith, tyrus thomas are a bunch of nobodies just like moon, green & warrick.
imsljr420 2 years ago
edcrazy..... you are uneducated... so stop commenting
flennyboy 2 years ago
COULDNT SAID IT BETTER
sharpshooter717 2 years ago
@edcrazy187
I disagree when you say "Jordan won his rings in an era with few greats". They had partly Larry Bird in his era but he was getting older, but they had Dominique Wilkins, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Hakeem Olajuwon and many more. They also had Clyde Drexler
kobebryant24kb24 2 years ago
@kobebryant24kb24
It's amazing I agree with a Kobe fanboy, but I ABSOLUTELY DO! That era was sick...the golden era. How quickly people forget
jskim80 2 years ago
@jskim80
LOL
As much as I love Kobe Michael is still the greatest.
kobebryant24kb24 2 years ago
Are you retarded? There are the same amount of caucasians playing now as in MJ's day. Korver just blocked LBJ last night. Jordan regularly torched athletic guards (Drexler in 92 finals as a perfect example). Jordan would obliterate the league today with its defensive rules designed to let perimeter offensive players flourish. Jordan is GOAT and it's not close.
utfanatic2000 2 years ago
Your insane no doubt about it or to young and dumb to know what your talking about, Jordan dropped Magic Bird Malone Iverson
Dobie has a better team
1ironbar 2 years ago
Your insane no doubt about it or to young and dumb to know what your talking about, Jordan dropped Magic Bird Malone Iverson
Dobie has a better team and this clown who says Jordan is not clutch must be 14 or something
1ironbar 2 years ago
kobe has better range than michael. he shoots from all over the court. 30, 35 feet away from the basket. MJ usually shoots from 18 to 20 feet.
liweiwu007 2 years ago
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oneman91 2 years ago
MJ owns Kobe any day, just like I always sexually own your mom and your sister every fucking day, you faggot. lawl
HenryDaStonerOctopus 2 years ago
i wouldn't fuck your ugly mom if she is sexually deprived. and she should be ashamed to have an inbred white trash cracker honkey son like you!
liweiwu007 2 years ago
What's up with all these talk about Kobe having better skills than MJ?
Kobe took MJ's whole post game/footwork from MJ's 96-98 years..look at MJ's game during those years and u can clearly see MJ already had those skills before Kobe has even begun to use them
The up and under on the block, the double pivot (MJ invented), the FADEAWAY, etc. etc.
oneman91 2 years ago
kobe is a talent stealer
liweiwu007 2 years ago
Mj invented the up and under, double pivot, and FADEAWAY???!!! LOL What a retard.
Abiyah06 2 years ago
oneman91 how can you say MJ invented to double pivot? thats not true at all.
i love them both tho excellent players that can score and defend like no other. but 2 different eras the debate isn't worth name calling. if i had to pick 1 i would say its a win win situation. i would just pick kobe for style points
LAreNaGaDe24 2 years ago
everybody said base on watching Kobe. Those of us that saw MJ from rookie to retirement and are now watching Kobe, without bias, MJ is way better. When Kobe led Lakers to 6 titles as the main man, than we will start comparing the two.
tswjxeem 2 years ago
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kb24fan714 2 years ago
kobe is more offensvly dangerous then jordan has the same if not better footwork and his jump shot is better. Kobe also works harder than jordan. ''I dont think ive known anyone that works as hard as kobe does'' Phil jackson. ok jordan has 6 titles but as a indivdual player kobe is the best to ever play the game . He is the most dangerous offensevly player that the nba has ever seen, and the most versitile
kb24fan714 2 years ago
its debatable, i've accepted that there is no best player of all time, there's just the best players of all time, alot of us who are kobe fans didn't watch basketball or watched it as seriously as we watch it now because we may have been too young, i would never doubt mj's work ethic...its just as high as kobe's i'm sure
BZOE 2 years ago
what other word would Phil Jackson say at this time. PJ has to use his zen on Kobe. But it is well documented that MJ works for hours before and after practice etc, "never satisfied." On offense, MJ dominate PF, C, SF like they are kids...
tswjxeem 2 years ago
Kobe's more dangerous offensively?
how exactly? He couldn't score against the Celtics or Pistons in the NBA finals in 2004/2008
Jordan has 6 Nba titles but Kobe is the better player individually? what does that suppose to mean
All Kobe has on MJ is his range...and that doesn't matter cuz Jordan shoots the same % as Kobe does in the playoffs and even a better 3 pt shooter than Kobe in the NBA Finals
KB got his footwork/fundamentals from 96-98 MJ so idk about Kobe having better skills than MJ
oneman91 2 years ago
different Role..Lets give Kobe this teAM THAT HE HAS..AND lETS MAKE kOBE 23 YEARS OLD rIGHT NOW..everyone remembers Kobe at 23? the one who was owning twin towers year in and year out? what would happen ? 6 title is not that far stretched as you think given right tallent..right team and right age.
Kobe is older now of course he can not win 6 Titles, its not impossible but improbable, different roles make different history of players,
Kobes role was different.
Rustaveli2k7 2 years ago
I agree with Rustaveli2k7 Jordans accomplishments over shadow Kobe by far. But as an individual and as the more all around player Kobe comes out on top not by a large amount, only by a small margin.
Scary2221 2 years ago
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Rustaveli2k7 2 years ago
oh yes i forgot how about BETTER SCORER THEN ANYONE EVER? Mj can not Match Kob'e fire..when Kobe is on you can forget about it..we have seen it time after time..triple pump fake fadeaways..etc this is what i mean yes in some things KObe was better then MJ.
and best of all like i said Kobe does it in Villan Mode, NBA does not like him nowhere near as MJ, NBA is as much business as sport, Kobe has been mistreated by NBA ever since his rape case big time.
Rustaveli2k7 2 years ago
okay clown. this isnt worth entertaining
YoungTon22 2 years ago
what skills does Kobe have better then MJ? according to Phil Jackson he is "ALL ROUND MORE SKILLED PLAYER"
this means better footwork because he used to play soccer and still does sometimes, better range and more developed consistent jump shot early in his carrier.
better body control in the air, that's about it.
on another hand MJ did have bigger hands and more athletic body which allowed him to do more things, but as far as skill, handle and amount of moves Kobe has Mj did not have that.
Rustaveli2k7 2 years ago
all you do is resort to name calling land saying any Kobe fan is a young, I am almost 29 I have seen MJ at his prime he was amazing and he won many times many ways. yet when i compare Mj's Game to Kobes game it falls short, but Kobe falls short of accomplishments, but then you have to take in consideration that his game got developed differently due to different role he had to have.
take talent and skill compare Kobe wins you can be mad all you want but it's truth.
Rustaveli2k7 2 years ago
so that means lebron and wade are better to right? both are playing better than kobe. more efficient. better defense, more points.more assists. this is one of the many reasons you sound like a fool! what skill does kobe have that tops mike? i'll give you the three pointer by a slim margin but thats definitely not a good thing if you really know basketball. mike was smarter, had better footwork, better court vision, better mid range jumper, better inside scorer, better D, and many more
YoungTon22 2 years ago
that's the problem with you and your stupid type of people who can not see the game beyond numbers and who has won what, sorry my outlook to the game is little different, let me tell you Kobe may not be Jordan in accomplishments and stats, but he is as good if not better skill wise and polished game then anyone ever period.
Kobes role was different therefore his game got developed differently, skill wise he is better then MJ it is not hard to see he has way more moves.
Rustaveli2k7 2 years ago
KObe has been there and done that with the best..and check this Kobe does it in a VILLAN MODE, MJ the darling and an icon of NBA was treated same as Lebron is right now, Kobe did have that status once, but after his rape case he has been hated, he is one of the most hated athletes ever, yet he is the best..Jordan never had to go through adversity and drama like KObe..yet Kobe is the best, I HAVE SEEN NBA DISRESPECT GAME OF BASKETBALL with no calls on Kobe....AND YET KOBE IS THE BEST.
Rustaveli2k7 2 years ago
I have seen refs totally dishonor the game and themselves with No calls and double standarts on Kobe..remember the Cavs Game? you can find it here on you tube if you want to..remember how Lebron elbowed Webber yet did not even get fined while Kobe got suspended? they sent clear msg to kobe that NBA was not very fond of him..yet HE WAS THE BEST, he did not back down, he went through adversity and HE IS STILL THE BEST.
Kobe is one of GOAT's if you think otherwise your hate blinds you.
Rustaveli2k7 2 years ago
you are a goofy who cant let go of kobes nuts! hes not even playing the best right now! how is he better than mike. mike was the most dominant player for at least 13 yrs. and kobe played pippen role with shaq. you should be ashamed to dismiss all this logical reasoning while taking your emotional opinion as fact. its borderline gay
YoungTon22 2 years ago
it's amazing that Kobe did not get even ONE mvp during those runs when it was really he who carried the team in clutch most of the times, either him or Horry or Fisher, shaq was nowhere to be found in clutch, to me Kobe should have been MVP twice and shaq once.
people talk Lotta crap yet they never have watched championship KObe and shaq and if you do you will find out that Kobe was the heart of that team especially in clutch.
Kobes Game is as good as Mj's if not better and that's the truth
Rustaveli2k7 2 years ago
it should be illegal to put kobe in the same sentence as mike! you bitchs compare a player who wasnt even the best on his own team to the best ever? you should be ashamed to have such little knowledge about the game!
YoungTon22 3 years ago
you are clueless younging, Kobe was the best of Lakers even know Shaq averaged more points at times every one knew when they needed the backet especially in the clutch they would go to Kobe not Shaq, you obviously never watched laker games just another Media fanboy..Kobe was and is the lakers really, it was KObes clutchness that won those titles he was conststent in the clutch..all shaq did was dunk Kobes freebee baskets.
Rustaveli2k7 2 years ago
here we go again. another clown! go look up the stats. you dont even have to watch the games to know that shaq was the man on the lakers throghout there championship run if you look at the stats. you obviously werent watching . it was the double teams on shaq that left kobe open, not the other way around.
championships
shaq:30's and 15's
kobe:20's and 5's
shut up!
YoungTon22 2 years ago
offensively ur right, but its a tough call
but ur kidding on defense
Kobe is one of the elite defensive players
freshadidas 3 years ago
jordan was the best perimeter defender
jordan234tran 3 years ago 5
you young people dont know shit so why do you even reply? everything you said here is the opposite of the truth
YoungTon22 3 years ago
my man if you are trying to say ima young, thanks, haha
but you being the OLD guy here are way to nostalgic about the old times.
thats the thing about this old generation....always saying..."back in the day things were better" and "when i was young blah blah blah", "basketball isnt what it used to be"
man jordan had a bigger body but kobe is better defensively, if kobe had jordans body and size, damn the hell he would wreck
freshadidas 3 years ago
if only kobe had the mentality of winning and leading his team when he 1st started.. jordan started winning championship in the middle of his career and he got some good company and the defense before was not that good as today.. lets just say theyre both great.. but all i can say is "81" in the defense today.
jweeeeeezy 3 years ago
defense today sucks u know nothing about baketball, u r an idiot if u honestly think that defense today is tougher, have u been watching basketball lately only boston plays real defense,rem jordan era was tougher plus they had hand checking rules, yeah 81 was great but the raptors sucks and they play no defense
nelvern07 3 years ago
jordans defensive era didnt have a 3 second rule, nor did they have a double team not to mention a triple
PLUS...they didnt use the effective zone defensive
and they still hand check today, its just that in todays faster, stronger, tougher NBA those small calls are rarely made
freshadidas 3 years ago
u obviously have no idea idea what u r talking about, its a fact that they changed rules in the nba to allow more offense, there is absolutely no handchecking, u were allowed to be more physical in jordan era jordan did get double and triple teamed , and the 3 sec rule allows flow on offense, if u watch nba today its easier to penetrate to the basket without contact, thats why jordan would have dominated this era
nelvern07 3 years ago
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your lack of knowledge in the game of NBA makes you an unreliable source
in case you didnt know handchecking is still called. however it is usually no longer a handchecking call, but a reaching in call, which can also be switched to an offensive foul
not to mention Kobe is playing against a lot bigger tougher and stronger players with the addition of players coming from across seas
come on man!
freshadidas 3 years ago
u obviously lack the knowledge in basketball so that makes u an unreliable source. they started changing rules so they can make the game today more exciting by scoring more. "not to mention Kobe is playing against a lot bigger tougher and stronger players with the addition of players coming from across seas" lmao u obviously havent seen any games from those 80s / 90's era of hardplay basketball.
RYU241982 3 years ago
ok fuck the 81 point game if it was against a weak defense, how about 62 on 3 quarters against a defense that made it to the nba finals
californialove445 3 years ago
hahahha the mavricks
shanto719 2 years ago
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btww... people say jordan is the best cuz he's retired nd nobody wants to dirty up his name... AND WTFF r people talkin shit that kobe doesnt win, wasn't his squad #1 in the west conference?! wasn't jordan's bulls stacked to the max?! rodman, pippen, paxson?? lol hoo does kobe have... gasol? nd sum next overrated kid named bynum... hahhahah "kobe doesnt win"... 81 bitch
STZdoKRAI 3 years ago
kobe bryant is better... jordan was good but he was ahead of his time, he played when the athletes were't as good as they are today, if there were any they were few. Think about htis... do u think if u put the 27 year old jordan in the league in 2005-06.... would he be able to hold kobe under 30 points? fucken lebron cant do it. btw... hooeva said lebron is the next jordan is fuckedd in the head.
STZdoKRAI 3 years ago
i can score 20 points easy i&