*** Exposing Robert Spencer: Muslims of America are Deceitful ***

[ameenkewell]

The question is why would we deceive ourselves? Deceiving somebody means we know that our religion is wrong and we are still following it. Does that make sense? I give my point of view. spencer is a liar, and if somebody tells the truth, then he deceives people according to him

[kusalaviro]

@ameenkewell Your question shows you misunderstood what he said.

[ameenkewell]

@kusalaviro Oh yes, so myabe you can enlighten me... 

[loremdolorfu]

I read the article linked in the description and wondered how the writer can equate the morality of "lying" in order to subjugate a people and lying to save a life (nazi persecution of jews). Such logical comparison calls to question the morality of the presenter as a proponent of Islamic doctrine. Should muslims allow the writer to speak on their behalf or am I to believe that muslims have no problem with his view?

[julian7778]

Jews Muslims and Christians are all being played.

Most take the ideology that you grew up in.

but how many of you have the courage to challenge or question what

You were taught to believe. If you were raised without that teaching would you come to believe doctrine on your own. The torah, koran and other books associated with these religion promotes violence and a god that wants blood sacrifice...Ewww...Substitute the word 'god' for 'satan' and it is easier to see a vengeful, war like god.

[afgdude100]

What a fat asshole

[lalamusa1]

LOL they're at the rally for Rifqa, the stupid little girls who has been proved to be a liar by western media themselves. Liars attending rally for liars.

[humzakhan122]

anti women haha pick up the bibal pick up the torah and tell me a single right given to woman i haven't read the torah or the bibal i just want to know and please also quote the verses

[PE425]

@humzakhan122, Unlike in Islamic cultures, Jews and Christians do not advocate beating up their wives, engaging in polygamy, pedophilia, or ever justify mutilating a woman's clitoris, just so she will not enjoy sex. Islam supports all of these practices. Also in Islamic teachings, for a woman to claim a rape charge against a man, she must have at least 4 male witnesses. So... that is about as "anti women" as you can get.

[julian7778]

First day that I have came across a Robert Spencer video but my Radar can't help but go off. Seems like he is a trained zionist jew who changed his name to deflect attention to his origins.

With the help of main stream media he works hard to demonize muslims with accusations applicable to Talmudic jewry. Youtube.. SATANIC TALMUD. You will see the hate filled passages and real pedophile references. Yet, we don't hear anything negative on the news about the crap found in judaism.

[PE425]

@julian7778, Why does it seem like he is a trained zionest jew to you? Sounds like you have a problem with Jews, but the Jews do not have hate-filled books littered with violence, like muslims. Your problems don't end there either, because Spencer is NOT a Jew. He is a Greek Catholic. Also, the mainstream media is the LAST group that would help someone like Spencer, because the facts he presents goes against MsM's multicultural agendas.

[julian7778]

@PE425 jews have no hate filled books littered with violence??? Wake up. You have been brainwashed.

Read the jewish talmud. And then try to defend that statement. rense.com/general86/talmd.htm

Or simply youtube: Satanic Talmud.

I am glad i left the religion and all its racist B.S.

[PE425]

@julian7778, There is absolutely no comparison between Jews and Muslims. You are trying to use the Jews as a distraction and to soften the blow to the world that muslims are creating. Spencer is spot on.

[jjk9999]

But he isn't saying all muslims are decietful at all. If you listen to the little guys statment he is not talking about all muslims like the poster thinks. He says there is "an effort to decieve", he does not say or imply that all "muslims decieve".

The poster added that conclusion.

[jjk9999]

Tariq Ramadan may be the most well known islamic scholar in the US but he is here in the first place because he was drummed out of france after they stopped praising him and actually started listenting to him and reading his books. The furor was started by french feminists who actually bothered to listen to him and found what he said to be vile. After that he had to go to places where they hadn't actually read his statments.

[Yesica1993]

Spencer is 100% correct. It's called taqiyya. If you are a Muslim you know this is so. The fact that you are making this video and defaming him is taqiyya in action.

[zeshy999]

@Yesica1993 that is a shi3a teaching fool.

[Yesica1993]

@zeshy999 No, that's just Islam.

(And it never fails to amaze me how you supposedly oh-so-pious Muslims do nothing but name call and even use profanity.

[zeshy999]

@Yesica1993 yeah OK whatever. anyway how am i name calling? it is your lack of knowledge that makes you sound like a.....fool. stop trying to act as if your someone learned.

[01andak]

@Yesica1993 Taqiyya is an Arabic word. But of course if it means what you say it does, English would do just fine, because lying is a concept both well understood and practiced by English speakers. This particularly applies in time of war. In fact, military leaders of every single faith have used deception and praised its use in warfare.

[CHRISTIANABUSED]

Jews use Christians, case in point Israel.

[SubmissionAndPeace]

it's funny how Christians get along with Jews who HATE Jesus (PBUH), it's amazing how the Quran tells the truth about Jews and Christians being friends with each other. Whenever its to team up against Islam, the two biggest enemies to each other are going to team up, as if the forces of Shaitan are as such.

[SubmissionAndPeace]

WOW, a JEW saying that Islam has deception??????????? A JEW?????? Wow, that's amazing. JEWS are the ones who ENCOURAGE their women to open their legs to foreigners to advance their RACIST JEWISH goals. whose the ones practicing deception????? Most Evangelical Christians are FOOLED by JEWS who go under the guise of "white southerners" , wow, amazing, a JEW saying that. wow.

[dancinkindofguy]

Let's see, an ideology that has perpetrated millions of attrocities (80,000,000 Hindus murdered for example) vs Never hurt anybody Robert Spencer, Hmm, who should I believe?

[A2Neji]

@dancinkindofguy Follow the link in the description to find out who to believe.

[dancinkindofguy]

@A2Neji I don't have to look at some 10 cent web site to see who to believe I have eyes. "Islam is the religion of peace"! There is something inheranly wrong with that statement in that, by it's definition a religion is SUPPOSED to be about peace. Show's that it's adherants are being overly defensive to say something like that.  Islam is the "Religion of Peace" like cigarette smoking is the habit of health!

[A2Neji]

@dancinkindofguy LOL Christianity killed half a billion people so far! That makes it OFFICIALLY the most violent religion humanity ever known! Go back to bed. XD

[dancinkindofguy]

@A2Neji LMAO, ok, give me your list of these events where these "half a billion" killings took place. Now of course your not going to include dictators who came from a Christian background and Christianity had no part in their motivation. I'll give you the Spanish Inquisition, but don't try the Crusades since that was just an abortive attempt to reclaim the lands Islam had taken in the Jihads that took place between 600 AD and 1100 AD.

[A2Neji]

@dancinkindofguy The Crusades counts because innocent civilians, women, and children were mercilessly and barbarically killed and they acted in accordance with the scripture in the bible. You have Magellan and his wonderful missionary trip trying to convert people. You have the African slaves who died on the middle passage,

annihilating the entire Indian tribes. Want me to go on?

[dancinkindofguy]

@A2Neji Innocent woman and children killed? Listen, the whole of the middle east was Christian before Muslim hordes came out of Arabia and seized them. I suppose no women and children were mercilessly and barbarically killed by them, They remain Muslim to this day. The Crusaders only held parts of the Meditaranean coast off and on for a couple of centuries. And you can honestly say the Conquistadors were motivated by Christianity. Did they say "Jesus is Great" before they killed?

[A2Neji]

@dancinkindofguy Islamic teachings are strictly against killing civilians, old men, women, and children. Or even burning homes or crops. The Muslims conducted themselves in accordance with the true teachings of God. That partly explains how the Islamic empire quickly formed.

They may not have said "Jesus is Great" but they had the blessings from the pope and the priests which is equivalent.

[dancinkindofguy]

@A2Neji Oh never mind on your listing, at the rate you are going it will take two years to get to half a billion, Besides there is a big difference between a man who is of a certain religion killing people and the religion itself. If the archbishop of Canterbury went out to kill 10000 people that does not mean Christianity killed them. Islamic teachings are against killing civilians provided they are muslim civilians, if they are not it's open season.

[A2Neji]

@dancinkindofguy Okay let's speed it up for you, 89 Millions native americans killed over a period of 150 years. 2-10 Millions of African slaves died during the slave trade. 1992-1995 Bosnia, The genocide of over 300,000 Muslims and systematic rape of over 100,000 Muslim women by Christian Serbs. Europe's Reformation and Counter Reformation Era, Two thirds of the Christian population of Europe was slaughtered by Christians. Witch hunts, the holocaust, the KKK, Rowanda 1994. And these are...

[dancinkindofguy]

@A2Neji I thought I made my point of the slave issue. The KKK? They killed about a thousand people in their hundred year history, and they do NOT represent Christianity, every Christian religion has depracated them. Muslims kill 3 times that number on 9/11 alone. Meanwhile Osama bin Laden is reviled across the Muslim world, Osama was the number one name for male babies born in the Muslim world.

[A2Neji]

@dancinkindofguy ...are just estimated figures, and you have the audacity to overlook all these genocides executed by Christians in the name of Christianity and say Islam is more violent. Save some face and accept that Christianity holds the world record in mass murder, Islam doesn't even come close because it doesn't teach mass murder. "teachings are against killing civilians provided they are muslim civilians, if they are not it's open season." You're too desperate and lying out of your ears>

[A2Neji]

@dancinkindofguy Islamic conquests acted on rules from the Qura'an and Hadith, like (2:256) (10:99) and other verses. The Hadith says: There are other sayings of Muhammad that prohibit the killing of innocent civilians and the destruction of property, livestock, and land even during times of conflict.

"Do not kill women or children or non-combatants and do not kill old people or religious people."

"Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees and do not poison the wells of your enemies."

....

[dancinkindofguy]

@A2Neji Do you deny that Muslims conquerors gave Christians and Jews the choice of Conversion to Islam, accept the jizya and become 2nd class citizens or death? Hindus and Bhuddists as they were not people of the Book, did not even get a choice. And please answer this question, what did all the people between India and Spain do to deserve being overrun by the muslims in the 700s? Were the Crusaders wrong to fight back after 4 centuries of Jihad?

[A2Neji]

@dancinkindofguy From the above hadiths it is clear that Islam promotes civility and restraint even in times of formal war. War is limited to armies and no burden should fall on the innocent, their property or their means of sustenance. There is no exception mentioned whether the enemy is a christian, jewish, budhist everyone got the same treatment. Which is why Islam spread so fast in a short period of time and built the greatest civilization where everyone lived together peacefully.

[A2Neji]

@dancinkindofguy On the other hand, Christians went to war and killed everyone in accordance with bible verses such as Deuteronomy, Chapter 2, 32-37 and many others like it.

You need to correct your viewpoint and see who are the wrong doers and who did things right.

[dancinkindofguy]

@A2Neji You didn't answer my question.....what did all the people between India and Spain do to deserve being overrun by the muslims in the 700s? Were the Crusaders wrong to fight back after 4 centuries of Jihad?

No Christian force ever invaded Arabia or specifically Mecca, even though they certainly had the power to do so.You can site verses from books all you want to, what did all the people between India and Spain do to deserve being overrun by the muslims in the 700s?

[dancinkindofguy]

@A2Neji And yes, please go on! Plus you are not tallying the numbers that lead up to the "half a billion" you mentioned. If you are going to prove That Christianity killed half a billion you have to have some numbers to back it up. What were the numbers behind these killings? And if the Spanish were ruthless it was because they had just endured 700 years of occupation by the Muslims.

[A2Neji]

@dancinkindofguy The First Crusade was launched in 1095 with the battle cry "Deus Vult" (God wills it), a mandate to destroy infidels in the Holy Land. Gathering crusaders in Germany first fell upon "the infidel among us," Jews in the Rhine valley, thousands of whom were dragged from their homes or hiding places and hacked to death or burned alive. Then the religious legions plundered their way 2,000 miles to Jerusalem, where they killed virtually every inhabitant, "purifying" the symbolic city>

[A2Neji]

@dancinkindofguy Cont'd. Cleric Raymond of Aguilers wrote: "In the temple of Solomon, one rode in blood up to the knees and even to the horses' bridles, by the just and marvelous judgment of God."

[A2Neji]

@dancinkindofguy In the Third Crusade, after Richard the Lion-Hearted captured Acre in 1191, he ordered 3,000 captives -- many of them women and children -- taken outside the city and slaughtered. Some were disemboweled in a search for swallowed gems. Bishops intoned blessings. Infidel lives were of no consequence. As Saint Bernard of Clairvaux declared in launching the Second Crusade: "The Christian glories in the death of a pagan, because thereby Christ himself is glorified."

[A2Neji]

@dancinkindofguy In 1209, Pope Innocent III launched an armed crusade against Albigenses Christians in southern France. When the besieged city of Beziers fell, soldiers reportedly asked their papal adviser how to distinguish the faithful from the infidel among the captives. He commanded: "Kill them all. God will know his own." Nearly 20,000 were slaughtered -- many first blinded, mutilated, dragged behind horses, or used for target practice.

[dancinkindofguy]

Do NOT EVEN BEGIN to talk about the African slaves. The Muslims were enslaving them long before any Christians got there. The Muslims were the one's capturing the slaves in the interior and selling them to westerners. Muslims are still taking slaves to this day! Let's not forget about the Barbary pirates who took and estimated 1 to 1.25 Europeans as slaves. Can you name me where any Arabs were taken slave by Christians? Islam practically invented slavery!

[Dabayare]

The doctrine he is talking about is from Ahmadis since they consider themselves as people in a hostile Orthodox environment, and an idea. Nothing to do with "infidels" since its foundations was based on Muslim on Muslim suspicions.

[jingel89]

Brave HERO "New York Times" bestseller Robert Spencer, who only quotes the Quran & ahadith Sahih ("reliable")

5:38 "(thiefs) cut off hands"

[9739460341]

the truth is bitter isn't it?!!

[blue9549]

anti women lol i'm a muslim woman and islam is the best thing happened to me and i thank allah for that .and i hate when people like pencer speak on my behalf.some statements about muslim women affend us as a muslim women and upset us really .please people learn about islam from muslim people and you will see the beauty of our beloved religion .

[TurboDally]

@blue9549

"i'm a muslim woman and islam is the best thing happened to me"

You would say that, I've met many atheists who tell me atheism is the best thing that happened to them.

"i hate when people like pencer speak"

It's Spencer, and I agree. I wish people to pose legitimate criticisms of Islam, not strawmen/propoganda.

"learn about islam from muslim people and you will see the beauty of our beloved religion"

I have, and I see no beauty in the Abrahamic religions :O

[blue9549]

despite all these attacks and lies against islam in the media .islam is the fastest growing religion in the world this itself refute these people deception against islam .obviously people are figuring out their lies and accepting islam .all praise be to allah almighty .allahu akbar.

[TurboDally]

@blue9549

"islam is the fastest growing religion in the world"

So what if it is? Many religions in the past were fastest growing religions in the world during certain times- this has no bearing on whether the religion is true or not. "allahu akbar"

Allah is slave to the truth, truth is the greatest! (manmade gods- Allah, Yahweh, etc, are not).

[religionofsatan]

allah in islam is the biggest deceiver lol ofcourse your false prophet mohamad and you donkies followers would do anything to deceive and lie to protect islam specially if you are at war and you are at religion war against christianity the most growing religion in the world ... bingo lol

[MrIslamAnswersback]

@religionofsatan Further proof that your God is the deceiver 2 Chronicles 18:22 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil against thee. See thats your God . BINGO LOL

[MrIslamAnswersback]

@religionofsatan Wrong, there is no such teaching in islam to lie to protect Islam. You devils made the same claim against Jews back in your Inquisition days ,and your Nazi days in Germany. We are not at war dumbass. Iraq and Afghanistan is not a war with all Muslims. Its only those countries. And your God is the real deceiver it says so in your bible . 2 Thess 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. See your God sends the lying spirit. Bingo!

[religionofsatan]

@MrIslamAnswersback sorry if you are one of these donkies i ask you to go and search your books and like i said a lie is a lie and 3 lies in islam are not forbidded so search it online and you will see what your eyes cant believe & your mind wont accept ... go learn about your stupid religion bc islam is only for donkies that believe without true prove ...

[MrIslamAnswersback]

@religionofsatan Sorry if you are one of these devils . But I have read my books thats why I know you're WRONG! And no a Lie is not a lie, sometimes its being smart. If you were in Nazi Germany and your jewish neighbor asked to hide in your basement , when the nazis came looking to Kill Jews would you say yeah they are hiding in my basement or would you say no one is here to protect them?? Think dumb ass!! I know about My religion thats why I refute you idiots so easily.

[MrIslamAnswersback]

@religionofsatan Your own bible allows lying to protect other people and even praised such action . James 2:25 Praises Rehab for lying to protect some men. So clearly every lie is not an evil underhanded lie according to your bible. And so the same with the 3 in islam , they are not evil, underhanded, but you idiots dont do any real reading, you just parrot what some other idiot bigot told you and you run with it.

[religionofsatan]

@MrIslamAnswersback my bible dont teach us to lie you donkey i think your english is bad if you cant understand arabic when you read it how your going to understand english when you cant even understand your own arabic ? lol read it in arabic so maybe you understand it or get to the bible explainations dont explain something on your own mind bc we all know muslims are big donkies in understanding the differences between their allah and satan are one but you people dont see it bc you live with it

[religionofsatan]

@MrIslamAnswersback a lie is a lie when you are not telling the truth you are lying and god is holy he is not evil or satan if god dont forbidd the lies then why evil going to hell ? why would god judge on lies if he didnt forbidded you donkey ? ... if you tell me a lie then thats evil and lie its a lie lie = evil ... in islam you can lie more than 3 times all day long is not forbidden bc your allah is evil him self and your false prophet mohamad is his messanger ...

[Hayaserforeveer]

DESTROY ALL CAMEL RAPING ARABS across the board. I dont give 2 shits about your allah wallah camel anel raping gods, I dont give 2 shits what religious faith they are of. DESTROY THEM ALL NOW.

BOTH CHRISTIAN, MUSLIM, AGNOSTIC, ATHEIST ARABS....MUST BE DESTROYED NOW. THE ENTIRE CAMEL EYRAB RACE IS A DIRECT and SEVERE THREAT TO THE REST of HUMANITY and TO THE WORLD

[KCUAC]

Mohammed did say, "A man who brings peace to the people by making up good words or by saying nice things, THOUGH UNTRUE, is not a liar."

ummmmmm, and that is just a bit of what Mohammed had to say regarding permissible lying under Allah's Law, or Sharia..... and when Mohammed says he is bringing peace to the people, he is talking about bringing Islam to the people....... and Islam is not peaceful as Mohammed was not peaceful...... simple really, Quran, Sira, and Hadith spells it out clearly

[MrIslamAnswersback]

@KCUAC WRONG that is not what Muhammad said. He said a man who brings peace between 2 people ( i.e friends that were at odds), He did not say to people as a whole on a large scale. And The claim that Muslims can lie about Islam to non muslims is totally BS. It makes no sense as all one would have to do is just look for themselves and could then refute the person if they lied which would then lose peoples interest in Islam. Thus the the claim is totally BS. Islam teaches no such thing. LIARS

[good2goskee]

please explain """taqyya""

[chrstilen5]

Wife and hate in Quran

Sura 4:34 Sura 3:28 Sura 4:89 Sura 5:33 Sura 9:29 Sura 47:35 Sura 60:9

You WILL GO TO HELL! Even if you do your best not to in Quran.

Sura6:125 Sura 7:186 Sura 81:28-29

[izlamiztruth]

fat pig

[muhammadsucksmycock1]

@izlamiztruth yep i agree muhammad is a fat pig!..LOL

[tryingtobegood1]

why am i not suprised to see these two together?

[muhammadsucksmycock1]

@tryingtobegood1 what u expecting?.muhammad and allah sucking each others cock?..LOL

[FATAL12SKILLZ]

@muhammadsucksmycock1 May Allah Give you a horrible death. Ameen

[muhammadsucksmycock1]

@FATAL12SKILLZ your allah is sucking my cock...is that not horrible enough for me?...LOL

[FATAL12SKILLZ]

@muhammadsucksmycock1 May You be cursed in this life and in the next, and be given throat cancer. Ameen Thumma Ameen.

[muhammadsucksmycock1]

@FATAL12SKILLZ the only one having a throat cancer is pedophile cock sucking muhammad....LOL

[polka23dot]

"We must exploit the so-called democracy and freedom of speech here in the West to reach our goals. Our Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, and the Koran teach us that we must use every conceivable means and opportunity to defeat the enemies of Allah. Tell the infidels in public, we respect your laws and your constitutions, which we Muslims believe that these are as worthless as the paper they are written on. The only law we must respect and apply is the Shari’a." - Tariq Ramadan

[RefutingActs17]

@polka23dot

Tariq Ramadan is the most highly respected Muslim Philosopher of the West. Get a grip mate.

[muhammadsucksmycock1]

@RefutingActs17 well tariq ramadan can eat robert spencer's shit......LOL

[avgayjoe]

@RefutingActs17 Perhaps so yet this says nothing about the man's comments that polka23dot quoted - except perhaps to lend some creedence to Spencer's argument. If Ramadan did indeed make such comments they are deplorable and so is he.

[sooperfukker]

@RefutingActs17 Excuse me ? Highly respected philosopher ? Tariq Ramadan is known to be a deceiptful islamic cry baby and that's it. He has no other reputation than that.

[secula4eva]

@polka23dot

tariq ramadan opens his mouth - the perfect example of taqiya

[selfyeshua]

part 1

“Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them” (Qur’an 3:28).

The Sunni Qur’an commentator Ibn Kathir explains that in this verse “Allah prohibited His believing servants from becoming supporters of the disbelievers, or to take them as comrades with whom they develop friendships, rather than the believers.”

[selfyeshua]

part 2

However, exempted from this rule were “those believers safety from the disbelievers. In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly. For instance, Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Ad-Darda' said, 'We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.' Al-Bukhari said that Al-Hasan said, 'The Tuqyah [taqiyyah] is allowed until the Day of Resurrection"

[selfyeshua]

part 3

Another Sunni hadith has Muhammad saying that lying is permissible "in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them)" (Sahih Muslim 6303). Muhammad gave the killer of Ka'b bin al-Ashraf permission to lie in order to deceive Ka'b and lure him to his death.

[menj1980]

@selfyeshua Ripping things out of context. What about Paul of Tarsus and his encouragement of lying? Romans 3.7

[selfyeshua]

Moreover, Sahih Bukhari records three times Muhammad's statement that "war is deceit."

[RefutingActs17]

@selfyeshua

Yeah, yeah, once again, what proof? Where's the context? We thought so ;)

[selfyeshua]

there is taqiya (the practice of deception) in islam

there is islam in america

and where there is islam there is taqiya

and if you wouldnt be practicing it, you would say it out loud instead of hiding it.

oh,but thats what taqiya is all about

[RefutingActs17]

@selfyeshua

We are Muslims and are unaware of this deceptive art. How about you quote some authentic sources that detail the procedural methods of 'taqiya'.

[selfyeshua]

@RefutingActs17

look iy up

[RefutingActs17]

@selfyeshua

Yeah, looked it up. Sorry, it only applies to some sect of Shias. We've never heard about it. We make up around 90-93% of the Muslim populace on Earth, so what's up with you labeling us as liars?

[selfyeshua]

@RefutingActs17 Oh so no you are aware of this deceptive art. good 4 u

now look for taqiya in sunnie and wahabi islam

[RefutingActs17]

@selfyeshua

Doesn't exist. Sorry.

[steve0281]

@RefutingActs17 YES!!!!!