Two D11Ns Pushing 651Es

[25mfd]

I know you've said on other vids that 651's can,under the right conditions,can make a lot of money but it still seems more practical to use twin engine scrapers.

Which would you choose if you could choose only ONE.......single engine or twin engine????

[vantagetes]

@25mfd That depends on so many different things. Up or down hill haul, ground conditions, what sort of material you are moving, cut length etc etc.

[25mfd]

@vantagetes Well,for this vid,looks like the 651's have the advantage.

Looks like pretty FLAT,DRY terrain.

I just watched your snake pit of doom vid and if there were 651's there,they would STILL be there......STUCK.

Very MUDDY.

657's have the advantage in the snake pit of doom.

[vantagetes]

@25mfd EXACTLY! Each one is better in certain situations.

[syncade]

I love running machine but DAMN is that boring terrain!

[dozerman8114]

I meant, why didn't they get to rippin so they could make things happen?

[plexman6000]

john deere scrapers = junk

[vantagetes]

@plexman6000 Where do you see JD scrapers?

[gangesexcavating]

just massive equipment

[dozerman8114]

Why do these machines have rippers

[vantagetes]

@dozerman8114 1) counterweight for the blade to prevent uneven undercarriage wear 2) to rip hard material so the scrapers can load easier.

[dozerman8114]

I'm happy there is ONE operater in that run,and he is on tires.

[Dodgeram591]

kidco? i wrk fr caliber

[vantagetes]

@Dodgeram591 My deepest sympathies.

[Dodgeram591]

@vantagetes yeah tell me about it lol!

[1C7Z3H5X]

amazing.ive never seen so many scrapers moving at once.they sure are keeping the dozers busy.fun to watch

[RDNKThrasher]

You risk busting/cutting up tires when you try to self load them (in rock) it is a lot of wear and tear on your tires, The company i worked for pushed EVERY pan, often with 2 d10n's at the same time ..

[doggystarful]

@RDNKThrasher company i worked for if you fucked the tyres you got fined,thats why the button is on the back off the scraper to get pushed,you know the crack

[bert26a]

Ah ok, just curious thanks though, I saw the D57T video pretty neat I gotta say. I got a video of a blast at a limestone quarry yesterday. First blast I ever saw and was lucky enough to have my camera with me.

[vantagetes]

@bert26a I'll be waiting to see the video. I just put up a working video with the D57T to compliment the walkaround.

[bert26a]

Yes I know twin engine buggies load each other I was just curious as to why you use single engine scrapers that depend on a bulldozer to load. Whereas if you used twin engine scrapers the bulldozer could do other associated dirt work. And I was wondering if maybe your company chooses that method because your dealing with hard or rocky ground that requires the extra muscle of a dozer.

[vantagetes]

@bert26a Because a twin has two engines burning fuel all the time, and a single only has two engines burning fuel while loading (one in the scraper and one in the cat) which cuts down on your operating cost.

Of course if your haul is uphill on somewhere with a large amount of rolling resistance the singles won't have the power to haul themselves around loaded at enough rate of speed to make money. That would be a time when a twin is more benificial.

[bert26a]

Do you guys use the push Cat method to load because of how hard the soil can be in Calgary? Or do you also use the Sureway method with the twin engine buggies? I live in Winnipeg and it's really touch and go using buggies, so most of our bigger dirt companies stick with D8's and pull scrapers, because the buggies quite often need to be pushed to be loaded and pushed through the dump to get them dumped.

[vantagetes]

@bert26a Single engine scrapers can't self load so they get pushed, twins push-pull in pairs.

[TurboGSR96]

@vantagetes Single engine scrapers can self load, I ran a JD 762 for a few yrs that self loaded itself so idk what you are talking about.

[vantagetes]

@TurboGSR96 Ok first off JD doesn't make real scrapers so they dont count ;) The other is the only scraper Jd made is an ELEVATING SCRAPER similar to the Cat 613/623 which uses an elevator to load instead of forcing the dirt in. So no, single engine scrapers are not meant to self load (using force).

[doggystarful]

@TurboGSR96 bollocks ,maybe the loosest fine muck ,but clay/heavy subsoil no way

[UAL012]

As a seasoned operator, I can tell you it's frustrating as hell to have 3rd gear locked out. Been there, done that. it sucks. Very cool video.

[sbcwby21]

Great Video! We do this out here in Northern California. The ground is hard as hell and sometimes lava rock. But we use a few, 2 or 3, D11's to rip and 651's or 657's with 2 push cat d10n's per scraper. Also your push cat guy seems to be going WAY slow in reverse. Our guys had 2 d10n's behind every scraper that came into the cut. No stopping or waiting. Our dozers have spring loaded push blades and stingers also.

Awesome footage man. What kind of soil ya'll got up there?

[vantagetes]

@sbcwby21 We have third gear locked out on our cats, the equipment manager told us it's too hard on the UC and to keep them in second. Most of the material here is clay type with some areas of silt (like the one in the video). Pretty much everywhere you go if you dig down a few meters you hit sandstone to varying degrees of density. Some stuff is so hard it either needs to be blasted or chipped with a breaker!

[SimulacronX]

That has got to be the most exciting video on youtube

[stevendonovan1987]

thats some serious tonnage per hour! would a twin engined scraper still need the push cat? would a push pull combination be more effective? really like the videos - really informative and interesting

[vantagetes]

@stevendonovan1987 Twins push pulling are more effective in certan conditions. A twn is able to self load itself in 60 seconds, and two of them push pulling can load at 30 seconds each (loading time is cut in half).

[karvekrydder]

where in the world is this ?

[vantagetes]

@karvekrydder Calgary, Alberta, Canada

[generationll]

The 770hp D11N and the 550hp 44 yard 651Es are perfectly matched.

[maplemanz]

too bad you couldn,t get any closer

[vantagetes]

Click on my name it will bring you to my "channel". There is a video of them cutting right beside me.

[uberstinky09]

you maybe going to be in a track hoe some time

[billymp79]

I've been a operator for 9 years in and around Chicago IL.

[billymp79]

How can get work up in Canada ?

[JimBruce42]

Nice vids wing, this the same job that has your JD 850d crew?

[vantagetes]

No this site is on the other side of the city.

[69rd96]

What a massive site!

[vantagetes]

Oh there's a fleet of 631s and 657s over in the other area too =p

[MultiSafron]

thare are scrapers going everywhere in this vid!! are you in charge of this site vantagetes?? is this early stages or where is it at?? thanks

[vantagetes]

There were 3 foremen at that time. Two right now as I'm off taking care of 3 sites for a couple days.

Should be finished in a month.

[uberstinky09]

do yal have a website

[twoplyboy]

hahaha...you mentioned about the springs and i noticed them first in the other video...lol

[twoplyboy]

3 tower cranes...thats huge...what kind of building is that going to be...Apartments?

[vantagetes]

Hospital.

[MikeO9236]

Tis' a beautiful day on the jobsite

[redbaron242]

i live like 5 min from this site

[vantagetes]

Then you are familiar with...THE HERD! Haha!

[mrbluenun]

Hi,

and I am not sure who I am talking to? Sorry.

But wicked video, very very good! Is this an Airport, new Town? Where is it? It is so big with hardly any visible building.

[Slimdor]

Calgary alberta

[vantagetes]

South edge of Calgary, new subdivision/roadway/industrial­/ponds.

[mrbluenun]

Hi vantagetes,

hope all is well?

Thanks for the info'. It is kinda big for sure! Mind, it is outrageous the amount of land set by for mojor Intersection of Motorways?

blue.

[catleefs]

VERYY GOOOODD!!!!! Congratulations 5 STARS!