If you ask a christian "what is the purpose of life" and he or she answers with something lacking the words "jesus" and/or "god" and/or any synonyms, you should point that out to them.
Q: "What is the purpose of life?"
A: "To live a happy and prosperous life I guess"
Q: "I noticed your purpose in life has nothing to do with god so why do you call yourself a christian?"
I hope they think something other than "Oh shi~ he's right!"
@FHomeBrew ok this is what i think.....first what i thought was why would God create us here and not with him? why we experience bad things and such......one of them is to learn that love is unque we cant make any one love us, its something thats its own thing. because God loves everyone just angry by sin. if we where made with him we would always be pleased, and we wouldent know what it was like without him..also to learn not to compare ourselfs with others and practice forgiveness.
@FHomeBrew also i can explain other things like why is there evil? and why people are being damned if gods ompinestic......one example is lets say you programed a robots personality to keep saying i love you and your so great its not that pleasing right? well he alowed his creation to have its own free will. while giving us specific gifts but still free will. ok new senario, maby the robot has free will but never experiences pain or suffering, the relationship still woudlnt be as strong.
@markgg1 well one thing is God gave us freewill. so where not programmed to do only right. but can. we wouldent have had a meaningful relationship with God if he hadnt given us free will. suffering is a result of someones sin. for example what if an alcohol spends all his money on alcohol and does not use the money to feed his family, this would cause the kids (innocent victum) to suffer, if God gave the family food because of the stubberness of the parent, how would the parent ever learn.
@beyondrunning Yes Ive heard this all before, and is interesting. The issue you have is you tell me what you believe, but you struggle to tell me why. You cannot give reasons as to why you believe in this god (i will guess Jesus). Doesnt it make you pause in thought when you need to go to such great lengths to philosophise the problem of suffering. Not all suffering is caused by people. Lots of it caused by gods own creations, such as the Aids virus. Can you explain that?
@markgg1 God is not the creater of Evil, just free will.i think we are here to learn how to rightous, loving, forgiving, and careing people, this is what God is.if we didnt know or experience the opposite of love, i dont know how special we would have known it to be. God loves everyone but not there sin. he wanted to show us his love, so we could love him and give him thanks and be rightous...plus God didnt have to create anything, what others said was that God was perfictly fine without us.
@beyondrunning All you offer is another definition of god, that you created yourself. You say I 'think' about the reasons of our existence. Dont you see that you are dreaming this up yourself, and you cant prove a word of it. Cumon buddy..... god doesnt exist, you must know its just a fairytale?
@markgg1 nope im not its real.....this God is the true one and i could go into detail and made a video on it.....but yah its real....people recieve all types of healings, neardeath experiences and stuff.
@beyondrunning Healings? God seems to only heal people that could have been healed by sheer luck. I have never heard a storey of god healing someone who lost a arm or leg. In the whole of human history, and the thousands of people in war who lost arms and legs not a single one of them miraculously grew back.
Can you explain this
Near death experiences prove nothing. When you are fading out of consciousness you may dream anything.its common that people see bright white light when oxygen starved
@markgg1 yah i have heard this argument before about why not amputees? its the same question as why not God appear right in front of me? obviously its not God with the problem its us.....if anyone sins and cusses at God do you think he is going to show up ? possible but not if where not serious. Jesus came down and did miracles and people still question who he was. so my point is he leaves room for us to believe or not believe. and besides maybe God has done it before.
@beyondrunning Its a valid argument. These proposed miracles you claim are all things that may have happened by sheer luck. Cancers do sometimes cure themselves. People who have just died can be resucitated up to even 20 minutes.
This is the thing: If Jesus had the power to heal all sick people, why did he only heal the ones he came across? God could prove his existence right now by curing every case of AIDs (his wen creation by the way according to you) easily.
@beyondrunning Its a valid argument. These proposed miracles you claim are all things that may have happened by sheer luck. Cancers do sometimes cure themselves. People who have just died can be resucitated up to even 20 minutes.
This is the thing: If Jesus had the power to heal all sick people, why did he only heal the ones he came across? God could prove his existence right now by curing every case of AIDs (his wen creation by the way according to you) easily.
@beyondrunning Its a valid argument. These proposed miracles you claim are all things that may have happened by sheer luck. Cancers do sometimes cure themselves. People who have just died can be resuscitated up to even 20 minutes.
This is the thing: If Jesus had the power to heal all sick people, why did he only heal the ones he came across? God could prove his existence right now by curing every case of AIDs (his wen creation by the way according to you) easily.
@markgg1 oh and about NDE near death experiences. if you really listen to the accounts the person says, over and over again they say its more real then the life there living here. you have to listen to the other point of the views. you cant just listen to man or what someone says either. i am not saying that every one who claims a NDE is telling the truth. you know people claim the holocaust never happened, and obviously it did.
@beyondrunning@beyondrunning Its a valid argument. These proposed miracles you claim are all things that may have happened by sheer luck. Cancers do sometimes cure themselves. People who have just died can be resuscitated up to even 20 minutes.
This is the thing: If Jesus had the power to heal all sick people, why did he only heal the ones he came across? God could prove his existence right now by curing every case of AIDs (his wen creation by the way according to you) easily.
@beyondrunning It doesn't matter how sincere a person believes it. People can be wrong about things. A person who claims to have had a NDE can never prove it to others. We are fallible creatures, and our senses deceive us sometimes. Just half an hour ago I though I thought I saw a mouse running across the floor in the dark. After searching the whole place I found nothing. Maybe it was there, but maybe I imagined it. The issue is how could I ever prove to you that there was a mouse. I cannot.
@beyondrunning I wrote a reply, and lost it... maybe a sign! Anyway, the point is this. A person may sincerely believe they had a NDE, but without the proof how can me and you believe them? A claim needs to be backed up evidence. There has so far been no evidence for NDE we can verify, or any evidence for god.
The only way to prove something is evidence. How can I and others take what you say seriously? The lack of reasons you can provide, is another reason to not believe a claim you make.
@beyondrunning I wrote a reply, and lost it... maybe a sign! Anyway, the point is this. A person may sincerely believe they had a NDE, but without the proof how can me and you believe them? A claim needs to be backed up evidence. There has so far been no evidence for NDE we can verify, or any evidence for god.
The only way to prove something is evidence. How can I and others take what you say seriously? The lack of reasons you can provide, is another reason to not believe a claim you make.
@beyondrunning I wrote a reply, and lost it... maybe a sign! Anyway, the point is this. A person may sincerely believe they had a NDE, but without the proof how can me and you believe them? A claim needs to be backed up evidence. There has so far been no evidence for NDE we can verify, or any evidence for god.
The only way to prove something is evidence. How can I and others take what you say seriously? The lack of reasons you can provide, is another reason to not believe a claim you make.
@markgg1 It's not a claim it's testimony because it's their faith that they're attesting to. And tesimony is the highest form of evidence apart from judicial and legislative notice, as of God for instance. It's not about what my idea of God is for me and my morals it's about shared human experience, an objective moral foundation on which the law can rely.
@beyondrunning I wrote a reply, and lost it... maybe a sign! Anyway, the point is this. A person may sincerely believe they had a NDE, but without the proof how can me and you believe them? A claim needs to be backed up evidence. There has so far been no evidence for NDE we can verify, or any evidence for god.
The only way to prove something is evidence. How can I and others take what you say seriously? The lack of reasons you can provide, is another reason to not believe a claim you make.
@markgg1 "If you seek me with all your heart you will find me" Deuteronomy 4:29
obeying him is essential to. so yah im not getting anything out of this but for love and for you to seek jesus. got any more questions or help can personal message me or anyone can. and if you want me to show you some other channels who can help also, to explain that we must seek Jesus over anyone else and are understanding. and i can bring you to some insperational stuff like fathersloveletter to you
@FHomeBrew umm idk if thats the best way to explain it but its cause God wanted a real relationship with us. and to show us how much he really loves us
@beyondrunning I think a greater gift than jesus sacrifice would be to forgive us without the sacrifice or at least remove hell. Addressing your first point, if this life is to be able to know what life is like without god, then how do you compare that life right now to life with god, if you've yet to experience the latter? It's a promise I have no guarantee for of being fulfilled. Meanwhile I would be dedicating my life to it when it could all be wrong. We'll get to your second point later ;-)
@FHomeBrew he wanted to show his love...so u would let a serial killer live with you? yes they can be forgiven if they repent but if they never listen or change wanting to kill people and full of hate what do u do with them then? just an exstreme example. where not really without God. just where not in complete presence with him. we are but we dont feel the completness. like i know Gods there now because i seeked him out. its about the personal relationship. the priest isnt between you and God.
@FHomeBrew sorry not enough space to type everything.....i wouldnt take the risk, . yah i had thought the same thing before. There is a deffinate answer to everything. and what one believes to be truth is there own truth. eternity is alot longer then 100years thats like snap of a finger in eternity. being rightous is a sacrifice in things u like doing but it feels good to do what feels right...but anyway God didnt want hell, he wanted our experience but had to seperate those doing right vs wrong
Hey rationalmuscle nice videos you have in your channel, keep doing. Just one question: what are the name of the music an artists you put in the start and during the video? Sorry for my english.
@rationalmuscle i have many conclusions as to my belief. are u saying not one christian can act without anger. is complete rubish..as well as anyone else theres some that act in anger and others that dont. next question thats simple because Gods infinite can u find a begging to an infinte? no...its like saying why dosnt pie 3.14 ever stop. it must be unrational. well meaning of life i can get more in depth but here something short. wat good is there a robot that keeps saying i love you? no will.
I'm fascinated by the theist's obsession with "why." It is impossible to objectively answer "why" questions in cosmology. We only attempt to answer "how" questions.
Oh please... I know the meaning of obtuse, but I would hardly call my former faith a matter of it. Many brilliant minds have believed silly things over the centuries, and no; I'm not saying I am "brilliant", merely making a point.
On the other hand, "obtuse" can also mean "insensitive" and "blunt." The description fits your posts quite nicely. And, for one with your grammar skills, I'd watch my commentary if I were you.
as you said above/below. there is something because nothing is inherently/absolutely unstable. theologies are the worst mixture of "scientifics", belief in determinism and experimental bias.
the more we try to encompass the smallest and the biggest with our comprehension, the more it looks like "monadic randomness" is at the heart of ever-present becoming. self-referencial noise ftw !-)
Modern physics has shown the spontaneous emergence of particles and anti-particles from nothing. Perhaps some such event created the singularity that was the focus of the "big bang" that resulted in our universe. My feeling is that our minds are just too primitive to understand the sensibility of a spontaneously-emerging universe, and that in the future (probably with genetic engineering to accelerate our intellectual evolution) it will become obvious.
Yep... and the the emergence of a zero-sum universe (zero energy in totality as "nothing" is unstable) we see some strong evidence for a looping causation. The next 10 years will shed some light on this for sure.
The basic religious argument that "since there is something rather than nothing, something must have created it", is possibly the most compelling argument for belief in a creator, but it then begs the question "where did the creator come from?" So by the same reasoning they would have to assume that there was a creator of the creator, and so on (infinite regress).
Thanks ericpao81. That's a bit of a shocker, isn't it? Entering the real world. A bit like waking up from the Matrix, to use a tied analogy. I find Veritas48 easier to handle than others who ask really silly questions. One guy loves to quote Fred Hoyle all the time, for instance. Oh well...
Nice vid man thanks. We grew up similarly. I was going into the ministry but withdrew my application to a bible college and fled for the real world. and boy was i in for a surprise.
You are a very smart and convincing man.Your debate is even handed and rationalized, my hat goes off to you good sir.
louis229 3 weeks ago
Well said my friend! V.
vlad1m1r 2 years ago
If you ask a christian "what is the purpose of life" and he or she answers with something lacking the words "jesus" and/or "god" and/or any synonyms, you should point that out to them.
Q: "What is the purpose of life?"
A: "To live a happy and prosperous life I guess"
Q: "I noticed your purpose in life has nothing to do with god so why do you call yourself a christian?"
I hope they think something other than "Oh shi~ he's right!"
FHomeBrew 2 years ago
@FHomeBrew well thats simple where here to learn and i can go into alot more detail if u like?
beyondrunning 10 months ago
@beyondrunning go ahead.
FHomeBrew 10 months ago
@FHomeBrew ok this is what i think.....first what i thought was why would God create us here and not with him? why we experience bad things and such......one of them is to learn that love is unque we cant make any one love us, its something thats its own thing. because God loves everyone just angry by sin. if we where made with him we would always be pleased, and we wouldent know what it was like without him..also to learn not to compare ourselfs with others and practice forgiveness.
beyondrunning 10 months ago
@FHomeBrew also i can explain other things like why is there evil? and why people are being damned if gods ompinestic......one example is lets say you programed a robots personality to keep saying i love you and your so great its not that pleasing right? well he alowed his creation to have its own free will. while giving us specific gifts but still free will. ok new senario, maby the robot has free will but never experiences pain or suffering, the relationship still woudlnt be as strong.
beyondrunning 10 months ago
@beyondrunning so evil exists so we can all suffer, as suffering makes us better at loving god?
markgg1 10 months ago
@markgg1 well one thing is God gave us freewill. so where not programmed to do only right. but can. we wouldent have had a meaningful relationship with God if he hadnt given us free will. suffering is a result of someones sin. for example what if an alcohol spends all his money on alcohol and does not use the money to feed his family, this would cause the kids (innocent victum) to suffer, if God gave the family food because of the stubberness of the parent, how would the parent ever learn.
beyondrunning 10 months ago
@beyondrunning Yes Ive heard this all before, and is interesting. The issue you have is you tell me what you believe, but you struggle to tell me why. You cannot give reasons as to why you believe in this god (i will guess Jesus). Doesnt it make you pause in thought when you need to go to such great lengths to philosophise the problem of suffering. Not all suffering is caused by people. Lots of it caused by gods own creations, such as the Aids virus. Can you explain that?
markgg1 10 months ago
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beyondrunning 10 months ago
@markgg1 God is not the creater of Evil, just free will.i think we are here to learn how to rightous, loving, forgiving, and careing people, this is what God is.if we didnt know or experience the opposite of love, i dont know how special we would have known it to be. God loves everyone but not there sin. he wanted to show us his love, so we could love him and give him thanks and be rightous...plus God didnt have to create anything, what others said was that God was perfictly fine without us.
beyondrunning 10 months ago
@beyondrunning All you offer is another definition of god, that you created yourself. You say I 'think' about the reasons of our existence. Dont you see that you are dreaming this up yourself, and you cant prove a word of it. Cumon buddy..... god doesnt exist, you must know its just a fairytale?
markgg1 10 months ago
@markgg1 nope im not its real.....this God is the true one and i could go into detail and made a video on it.....but yah its real....people recieve all types of healings, neardeath experiences and stuff.
beyondrunning 10 months ago
@beyondrunning Healings? God seems to only heal people that could have been healed by sheer luck. I have never heard a storey of god healing someone who lost a arm or leg. In the whole of human history, and the thousands of people in war who lost arms and legs not a single one of them miraculously grew back.
Can you explain this
Near death experiences prove nothing. When you are fading out of consciousness you may dream anything.its common that people see bright white light when oxygen starved
markgg1 9 months ago
@markgg1 yah i have heard this argument before about why not amputees? its the same question as why not God appear right in front of me? obviously its not God with the problem its us.....if anyone sins and cusses at God do you think he is going to show up ? possible but not if where not serious. Jesus came down and did miracles and people still question who he was. so my point is he leaves room for us to believe or not believe. and besides maybe God has done it before.
beyondrunning 9 months ago
@beyondrunning Its a valid argument. These proposed miracles you claim are all things that may have happened by sheer luck. Cancers do sometimes cure themselves. People who have just died can be resucitated up to even 20 minutes.
This is the thing: If Jesus had the power to heal all sick people, why did he only heal the ones he came across? God could prove his existence right now by curing every case of AIDs (his wen creation by the way according to you) easily.
markgg1 9 months ago
@beyondrunning Its a valid argument. These proposed miracles you claim are all things that may have happened by sheer luck. Cancers do sometimes cure themselves. People who have just died can be resucitated up to even 20 minutes.
This is the thing: If Jesus had the power to heal all sick people, why did he only heal the ones he came across? God could prove his existence right now by curing every case of AIDs (his wen creation by the way according to you) easily.
markgg1 9 months ago
@beyondrunning Its a valid argument. These proposed miracles you claim are all things that may have happened by sheer luck. Cancers do sometimes cure themselves. People who have just died can be resuscitated up to even 20 minutes.
This is the thing: If Jesus had the power to heal all sick people, why did he only heal the ones he came across? God could prove his existence right now by curing every case of AIDs (his wen creation by the way according to you) easily.
markgg1 9 months ago
@markgg1 oh and about NDE near death experiences. if you really listen to the accounts the person says, over and over again they say its more real then the life there living here. you have to listen to the other point of the views. you cant just listen to man or what someone says either. i am not saying that every one who claims a NDE is telling the truth. you know people claim the holocaust never happened, and obviously it did.
beyondrunning 9 months ago
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@beyondrunning @beyondrunning Its a valid argument. These proposed miracles you claim are all things that may have happened by sheer luck. Cancers do sometimes cure themselves. People who have just died can be resuscitated up to even 20 minutes.
This is the thing: If Jesus had the power to heal all sick people, why did he only heal the ones he came across? God could prove his existence right now by curing every case of AIDs (his wen creation by the way according to you) easily.
markgg1 9 months ago
@beyondrunning It doesn't matter how sincere a person believes it. People can be wrong about things. A person who claims to have had a NDE can never prove it to others. We are fallible creatures, and our senses deceive us sometimes. Just half an hour ago I though I thought I saw a mouse running across the floor in the dark. After searching the whole place I found nothing. Maybe it was there, but maybe I imagined it. The issue is how could I ever prove to you that there was a mouse. I cannot.
markgg1 9 months ago
@beyondrunning I wrote a reply, and lost it... maybe a sign! Anyway, the point is this. A person may sincerely believe they had a NDE, but without the proof how can me and you believe them? A claim needs to be backed up evidence. There has so far been no evidence for NDE we can verify, or any evidence for god.
The only way to prove something is evidence. How can I and others take what you say seriously? The lack of reasons you can provide, is another reason to not believe a claim you make.
markgg1 9 months ago
@beyondrunning I wrote a reply, and lost it... maybe a sign! Anyway, the point is this. A person may sincerely believe they had a NDE, but without the proof how can me and you believe them? A claim needs to be backed up evidence. There has so far been no evidence for NDE we can verify, or any evidence for god.
The only way to prove something is evidence. How can I and others take what you say seriously? The lack of reasons you can provide, is another reason to not believe a claim you make.
markgg1 9 months ago
@beyondrunning I wrote a reply, and lost it... maybe a sign! Anyway, the point is this. A person may sincerely believe they had a NDE, but without the proof how can me and you believe them? A claim needs to be backed up evidence. There has so far been no evidence for NDE we can verify, or any evidence for god.
The only way to prove something is evidence. How can I and others take what you say seriously? The lack of reasons you can provide, is another reason to not believe a claim you make.
markgg1 9 months ago
@markgg1 It's not a claim it's testimony because it's their faith that they're attesting to. And tesimony is the highest form of evidence apart from judicial and legislative notice, as of God for instance. It's not about what my idea of God is for me and my morals it's about shared human experience, an objective moral foundation on which the law can rely.
Peace.
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@beyondrunning I wrote a reply, and lost it... maybe a sign! Anyway, the point is this. A person may sincerely believe they had a NDE, but without the proof how can me and you believe them? A claim needs to be backed up evidence. There has so far been no evidence for NDE we can verify, or any evidence for god.
The only way to prove something is evidence. How can I and others take what you say seriously? The lack of reasons you can provide, is another reason to not believe a claim you make.
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@markgg1 "If you seek me with all your heart you will find me" Deuteronomy 4:29
obeying him is essential to. so yah im not getting anything out of this but for love and for you to seek jesus. got any more questions or help can personal message me or anyone can. and if you want me to show you some other channels who can help also, to explain that we must seek Jesus over anyone else and are understanding. and i can bring you to some insperational stuff like fathersloveletter to you
beyondrunning 10 months ago
@FHomeBrew umm idk if thats the best way to explain it but its cause God wanted a real relationship with us. and to show us how much he really loves us
beyondrunning 10 months ago
@beyondrunning I think a greater gift than jesus sacrifice would be to forgive us without the sacrifice or at least remove hell. Addressing your first point, if this life is to be able to know what life is like without god, then how do you compare that life right now to life with god, if you've yet to experience the latter? It's a promise I have no guarantee for of being fulfilled. Meanwhile I would be dedicating my life to it when it could all be wrong. We'll get to your second point later ;-)
FHomeBrew 10 months ago
@FHomeBrew he wanted to show his love...so u would let a serial killer live with you? yes they can be forgiven if they repent but if they never listen or change wanting to kill people and full of hate what do u do with them then? just an exstreme example. where not really without God. just where not in complete presence with him. we are but we dont feel the completness. like i know Gods there now because i seeked him out. its about the personal relationship. the priest isnt between you and God.
beyondrunning 10 months ago
@FHomeBrew sorry not enough space to type everything.....i wouldnt take the risk, . yah i had thought the same thing before. There is a deffinate answer to everything. and what one believes to be truth is there own truth. eternity is alot longer then 100years thats like snap of a finger in eternity. being rightous is a sacrifice in things u like doing but it feels good to do what feels right...but anyway God didnt want hell, he wanted our experience but had to seperate those doing right vs wrong
beyondrunning 10 months ago
@FHomeBrew sorry theres so many things that can be said its hard to write it short
beyondrunning 10 months ago
Hey, I just realized I hadn't actually subscribed to your channel! Well, better late than never....
Underlings 2 years ago
Hey rationalmuscle nice videos you have in your channel, keep doing. Just one question: what are the name of the music an artists you put in the start and during the video? Sorry for my english.
Loa4EVER 2 years ago
Thanks man! That's Radiohead's "2 + 2 = 5".
rationalmuscle 2 years ago
Thank you :)
Loa4EVER 2 years ago
@rationalmuscle i have many conclusions as to my belief. are u saying not one christian can act without anger. is complete rubish..as well as anyone else theres some that act in anger and others that dont. next question thats simple because Gods infinite can u find a begging to an infinte? no...its like saying why dosnt pie 3.14 ever stop. it must be unrational. well meaning of life i can get more in depth but here something short. wat good is there a robot that keeps saying i love you? no will.
beyondrunning 10 months ago
Not bad.
I'm fascinated by the theist's obsession with "why." It is impossible to objectively answer "why" questions in cosmology. We only attempt to answer "how" questions.
supowit 2 years ago
Thanks supowit!
rationalmuscle 2 years ago
Excellent! I want to be on your debate team. Kicks Ass! 5/5
doubtingED 2 years ago
Heh... when I put on together... ; )
rationalmuscle 2 years ago
i think you was quite obtuse to believe it in the first place.
popebenadict16 2 years ago
Obtuse? The term doesn't really fit. Can you explain?
rationalmuscle 2 years ago
what the meaning of obtuse?if you dont know it you are more obtuse than i thought .
popebenadict16 2 years ago
Oh please... I know the meaning of obtuse, but I would hardly call my former faith a matter of it. Many brilliant minds have believed silly things over the centuries, and no; I'm not saying I am "brilliant", merely making a point.
On the other hand, "obtuse" can also mean "insensitive" and "blunt." The description fits your posts quite nicely. And, for one with your grammar skills, I'd watch my commentary if I were you.
"...you was quite obtuse..."
Grow up in the South?
rationalmuscle 2 years ago
fuck grammer, ill write however i like, your the one who thought god was real when you was a grown man if that aint funny i dont know what is.
popebenadict16 2 years ago
You mean, "However you can." Limited abilities, painfully obvious at that.
At any rate, feel free to go fuck yourself.
rationalmuscle 2 years ago
LOL That was awesome sauce, rationalmuscle!
PeterWalserAnimation 2 years ago
as you said above/below. there is something because nothing is inherently/absolutely unstable. theologies are the worst mixture of "scientifics", belief in determinism and experimental bias.
the more we try to encompass the smallest and the biggest with our comprehension, the more it looks like "monadic randomness" is at the heart of ever-present becoming. self-referencial noise ftw !-)
jogayot 2 years ago
Re How did something come from nothing:
Modern physics has shown the spontaneous emergence of particles and anti-particles from nothing. Perhaps some such event created the singularity that was the focus of the "big bang" that resulted in our universe. My feeling is that our minds are just too primitive to understand the sensibility of a spontaneously-emerging universe, and that in the future (probably with genetic engineering to accelerate our intellectual evolution) it will become obvious.
themsfightinwoids 2 years ago
Yep... and the the emergence of a zero-sum universe (zero energy in totality as "nothing" is unstable) we see some strong evidence for a looping causation. The next 10 years will shed some light on this for sure.
rationalmuscle 2 years ago
Good vid.
The basic religious argument that "since there is something rather than nothing, something must have created it", is possibly the most compelling argument for belief in a creator, but it then begs the question "where did the creator come from?" So by the same reasoning they would have to assume that there was a creator of the creator, and so on (infinite regress).
themsfightinwoids 2 years ago
You make a superb point in this video, and I'm going to take it with me:
ALWAYS CORRECT SOMEONE USING THE WORD "WHY" BY FORCING THEM TO USE THE WORD "HOW."
"Why is there something instead of nothing" becomes "how is there something instead of nothing?"
This forces the conversation into a scientific light as opposed to a metaphysical one.
You really need to make more videos.
43alley 2 years ago
Thanks! I probably would if I had some help with channel views. My full-time job takes most of my video time. Feel free to throw me a bone. : )
rationalmuscle 2 years ago
Excellent answers! I look forward to more videos, I think I have a lot to learn from you :)
kalescu 2 years ago
Thanks ericpao81. That's a bit of a shocker, isn't it? Entering the real world. A bit like waking up from the Matrix, to use a tied analogy. I find Veritas48 easier to handle than others who ask really silly questions. One guy loves to quote Fred Hoyle all the time, for instance. Oh well...
rationalmuscle 2 years ago
Nice vid man thanks. We grew up similarly. I was going into the ministry but withdrew my application to a bible college and fled for the real world. and boy was i in for a surprise.
ericpao81 2 years ago