Rational Responder - Open Air Preaching - Huntington Beach, CA

[TheTruggsess]

The analogy with the loving father who pays the penalty for his son is perfect for the idea of Jesus dieing for our sin. It sais that you as a drunk driver don't have to take responsibility for your action as long as you suck up to the person that's abel to pay the penalty for you. But I'm still not sure how that's justis. How exactly is it just, when the person who comited the crime doesn't have to pay the penalty. And how is it just, that the penalty for every crime is exactly the same?

[ranger7498]

@TheTruggsess Thin about this...God is Holy, and Just. If God is Holy he can NOT coincide with sin. Our sin is what seperates us from Him. We are bound by sin because we are from the seed of Adam and Eve. Now you might say, why does God allow sin? Because sin is a choice, and God in His wisdom gave us a free will to choose. Why did he do that? Because he wants us to serve Him out of free will. Love is also a choice. You have to choose to love someone. If he started......

[ranger7498]

....killing people left and right for their sins we would serve Him out of fear. But since he is a God of love he gives us a choice. He is no tyrannt, but a holy, just, merciful, and loving God who wants you to come to Him with your sins, lay down your burdens, and accept His gift. If you don't, then you can't come to Him because your sin seperates you. But if you accept the atonement that was made for you on the cross for your sins then you are washed whiter than snow and can....

[ranger7498]

.....have a relationship with Him. A personal relationship with Jesus. God first demonstrated His love for us in that he gave His only begotton son to die for us on the cross.You were supposed to die instead he gave His life for you as a sacrifice. In God's eyes sin is sin, and can NOT go unpunished. But he has made a way out, if you will only turn from your wicked ways, and accept His son Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, and His free gift of eternal life.There is no other way.

[TheTruggsess]

@ranger7498

There is no other way?

I thought God was supposed to be omnipotent. If there HAS to be a sacrifice made, so the sin of humanity is forgiven, God is not all poverfull, because he is bound by that rule. If he could forgive without that sacrifice, but he desides not to do that, than he is responsible for those rules and I still have to say those rules are unfair.

Especially, since the sin you are talking about has been comited by Adam and Eve. How is that my fault?

[bogusnachos]

This guy need to work on his diction.

[bogusnachos]

No just god would send anyone to hell. An infinite punishment for a finite crime is unjust.

[hoosierxc07]

@bogusnachos if you went after the president with a 9mm, would you be shot and killed by secret service? Probably so. Why wouldnt God have a punishment similar to that when we come at his son, Jesus, with a 9mm (our sin)?

[bogusnachos]

@hoosierxc07 There is a huge difference between death, where your suffering ends, and eternal torment. Hell is certainly an unjust punishment for someone who in good conscience came to the conclusion that the god of the bible didn't exist.

[hoosierxc07]

@bogusnachos heres my question. 10 out of 10 people die. what makes you sure that your suffering ends at a physical death?

[bogusnachos]

@hoosierxc07 My answer was in response to you comparison of the secret service shooting someone threatening the president and a god sending someone to hell for eternity. But to answer your question, I see know reason to think otherwise.

[hoosierxc07]

@bogusnachos yes, i know you were answering my earlier question, what i intended to say was heres my 'next' question. sorry. do you believe in God? If so, there is great reason to believe there is life after a physical death. If you dont believe in God, why dont you?

[bogusnachos]

@hoosierxc07 Sounds like pascal's wager. I never saw any reason to believe there is a god anything like the god described in the bible. It seems much more likely to me that the biblical god was an invention of man like all of the other gods. I cannot will myself to believe something i don't believe. If that god exists, he is not going to be fooled by my hedging my bets and saying I believe.

[hoosierxc07]

@bogusnachos I would say to that to investigate the historical relevance of the life of Jesus and his resurrection. Because if Jesus is who he says he is and he truly resurrected, then that a)proves his divinity and b) solidifies the prophecies in the old testament. which in turn would make God described in the Bible impossible to not believe.

[bogusnachos]

@hoosierxc07 "solidifies the prophecies in the old testament" The new testament was written and translated by people knowledgeable of the old testament prophesies. It is very likely that they shaped the stories to fit. This isn't even good evidence yet alone "impossible not to believe"

[hoosierxc07]

@bogusnachos well the historical life and resurrection is what fulfills the prophecies. not just what was merely 'said' in the new testament. there are more historical writings and enough eye witnesses of his life that there are more ACCURATELY translated documents about Jesus than Socrates and Plato combined.

[Ni73sh4d3]

Drivel absolute drivel

[manoffaith3112]

This heckler is just being used by the one he is living for. Good job on not quitting, and thank you so much for mentioning the men who have fought for America. Even though politics is trying to take away the sovereignty of America I'm afraid.

May the Lord continue to give you blessings for what you are doing. Great job in the preaching of the great news of being able to go to heaven through the blood of our precious Lord.

[manoffaith3112]

Nice job on the evangelism, young man. I've went out a lot on the city streets in K.C. Kansas. I've never tried the open air evangelism, but it seems similar in the way a person approaches others. I think it may be harder to do the preaching thing your doing. I loved talking to others about the Lord. In K.C. I was never rejected and I think it was because through prayer God was able to come through this humble vessel. We have moved to OK. and I am having a lot of rejection and its hard.