Come on guys, how about a rev 2 in the mix. Maranztamp's ion would fold up and die next to a rev2. Synthwood's wood isn't so hot. Not collector quality but get's collector quality prices for the fools.
ummm so your saying that you can hear the differences in the LFO? can you do this again and put the LFO on the amp so I can actually hear what the lfo is doing. also dont run them at the same time cause thats no help at all.
prophet 5's are still reasonably priced compared to jupe 8's and so on, but in all fairness dave smith's prophet 08 really nails MOST of the pro 5 sound without the headaches of maintenance, and believe me...it CAN be a nightmare.
A lot of old analog KEYBOARD synths were produced by the shedload, and hence SOMETIMES theres variances in build quality which are shocking. MAKE SURE YOU TRY BEFORE YOU BUY...NOT JUST A FIVE MINUTE NOODLE EITHER! :-D
@armalyte Sensible advide if you can find one nearby! I can't. Usually UK Prophets are in London or Manchester. You can't arrange to see one on ebay before the listing runs out. I haven't dared bid for anything because of all the dire warnings about postal damage.
Well, I tried a Creamware Pro-12 briefly and I thought 'yep, they've cracked it'. It sounded just like my first synth, a Prophet 600 (a budget pro-5).
Only one synth sounds exactly like the Prophet-5 and that's the Prophet-5.
I have both the P5 and P600. Love the 600, but the P5 is way more better sounding Every single clone out there can not even get close. If budget is an issue, the best Prophet clone is the Native Instruments Pro-53.
Just more proof that digital synths are only good at doing things outside of the realm of analog like sampling, aliasing, and FM synthesis. Digital just can't handle analog emulation. Maybe in ten years, they'll get close, but currently, there's just no contest. Analog pwns.
I think the real through in it all is that humans, for the most part, love imperfection. There is something warmer about those imperfections in sound that make them feel that analogue is superior. What would need to happen, I think, is program in a way for voltage and temperature fluctuations, at least the effects of temp, to get that sort of imperfect sound.
I should also mention that the earlier Prophets (rev 1 and 2) were more like 5 mono synths in one. Though that wasn't the goal, it contributed to the aesthetic. The rev 3, still far from being a 'perfect' synth, is more homogeneous in sound. I think users of the Korg MonoPoly or Polysix would think of their synths as multiple synths in a box.
There's a couple of synths that have tried such an algorithm. Novation synths have it, but their synth engine is unconvincing anyway. The Ion does a pretty good job. It emulates temperature fluctuations for the filter and oscillator tuning. But it still doesn't sound analog, so there's something else going on in there.
Come on guys, how about a rev 2 in the mix. Maranztamp's ion would fold up and die next to a rev2. Synthwood's wood isn't so hot. Not collector quality but get's collector quality prices for the fools.
TheSongsparrow 1 year ago
ummm so your saying that you can hear the differences in the LFO? can you do this again and put the LFO on the amp so I can actually hear what the lfo is doing. also dont run them at the same time cause thats no help at all.
Ureallydontknow 3 years ago
prophet 5's are still reasonably priced compared to jupe 8's and so on, but in all fairness dave smith's prophet 08 really nails MOST of the pro 5 sound without the headaches of maintenance, and believe me...it CAN be a nightmare.
A lot of old analog KEYBOARD synths were produced by the shedload, and hence SOMETIMES theres variances in build quality which are shocking. MAKE SURE YOU TRY BEFORE YOU BUY...NOT JUST A FIVE MINUTE NOODLE EITHER! :-D
armalyte 3 years ago
@armalyte Sensible advide if you can find one nearby! I can't. Usually UK Prophets are in London or Manchester. You can't arrange to see one on ebay before the listing runs out. I haven't dared bid for anything because of all the dire warnings about postal damage.
Laura041974 1 year ago
Well, I tried a Creamware Pro-12 briefly and I thought 'yep, they've cracked it'. It sounded just like my first synth, a Prophet 600 (a budget pro-5).
pierstheoneandonly 4 years ago
Only one synth sounds exactly like the Prophet-5 and that's the Prophet-5.
I have both the P5 and P600. Love the 600, but the P5 is way more better sounding Every single clone out there can not even get close. If budget is an issue, the best Prophet clone is the Native Instruments Pro-53.
Paardekut 4 years ago
pointless demo!!! :o
synthbird 4 years ago
hello from panama , my name is josue, can you make a video wearing latex gloves while playing synth and machines?.
jscv28 4 years ago
please explain further
Casar1973 3 years ago
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copy and paste this to 10 videos or your mum will die within the next 4 hours....
moreno5552 4 years ago
So what John was doing as setting up the patch on the Creamware box. The video
isn't long enough but you can hear me at the end mumble something about the 'dif
ficulty in modelling analogue instability'... it just can't be done. ;-)
redmartian 5 years ago
...so I take it as you're slightly dissapointed in the Creamware Pro-12? Or is it worth getting if you´re longing for a Prophet5 but can't afford it?
lesingemonotone 4 years ago
Just more proof that digital synths are only good at doing things outside of the realm of analog like sampling, aliasing, and FM synthesis. Digital just can't handle analog emulation. Maybe in ten years, they'll get close, but currently, there's just no contest. Analog pwns.
thedivinechemical 4 years ago
I think the real through in it all is that humans, for the most part, love imperfection. There is something warmer about those imperfections in sound that make them feel that analogue is superior. What would need to happen, I think, is program in a way for voltage and temperature fluctuations, at least the effects of temp, to get that sort of imperfect sound.
redmartian 4 years ago
I should also mention that the earlier Prophets (rev 1 and 2) were more like 5 mono synths in one. Though that wasn't the goal, it contributed to the aesthetic. The rev 3, still far from being a 'perfect' synth, is more homogeneous in sound. I think users of the Korg MonoPoly or Polysix would think of their synths as multiple synths in a box.
redmartian 4 years ago
There's a couple of synths that have tried such an algorithm. Novation synths have it, but their synth engine is unconvincing anyway. The Ion does a pretty good job. It emulates temperature fluctuations for the filter and oscillator tuning. But it still doesn't sound analog, so there's something else going on in there.
thedivinechemical 4 years ago
@thedivinechemical
The ION sounds analog to my ears...and I own a prophet-5
MARANTZamp 1 year ago
If you've done this on a real Prophet you get this almost random arpeggiated war
ble which beautiful and a signature of the Prophet. Rev1s and 2s sound even mor
e chaotic just due to the SSMs and the fact that they're slightly more unstable.
redmartian 5 years ago
John and I (Stephen Jones) were actually demonstrating the differences between t
he Rev 1, Rev 3 Prophet-5s and the fake Prophet. The patch I suggested we try i
s something John knows pretty well and thats to use OSC-B at a lo-freq to modula
te the pulse width of OSC-A via the PolyMod.
redmartian 5 years ago
I'd rather thwey were playing with the "real" prophet 5 next to it :-)
3dcandy 5 years ago
i second that
nige87 5 years ago
cool. now all we need is a minimax asb video!
amg82 5 years ago