I truly tried to answer you, but it's a difficult challenge, without saying things that have already been said ^^
Let's try to explain ... did you play this piece ? I can say that no, because if you did, you would know that it is not so much difficult to put the speed up in a difficult passage if you can do it in an "easy" one.
More than this, knowing Cziffra, and his peculiar attentions to every pieces he played, I can tell you that there's no way he didn't know perfectly every passage of this piece, so each one, for him, was as easy as another ^^ I truly think you can trust me when I tell you that what he did in this piece actually IS rubato, and not cheating.
I didn't hear Cziffra playing Op.10 - 4, but I'd like to ^^ what might convince you that Cziffra isn't slowing down because of the difficulty of the piece is the fact that, at every moment, what you hear in this video is music, and not just notes played one after the others ... If this doesn't convince you, I guess there's nothing more to say about it
@MonsieurRafi If his rubati are musically motivated then I don't understand his sense for rubato. I am not pleading for a metronome performance. There is a lot of room left between rhytmic distortion and a metronome perfromance.
sorry, I thumbed down instead of clicking on "answer" ... :/ Well, about the rubato, I guess we can say it's a peculiar one, youy like it or you don't, but you can't say it isn't, at least, an interesting one =) yes there's a "rythmic distortion", as you're saying, but I don't dislike it ... "tout les goûts sont dans la nature" ^^
@janvandoedelpuk Agreed, but Georges Cziffra rarely make these rythmic mistakes unintentionally. This's my favorite intepretation, unpredictable and moodchanging just like the stormwind itself.
He actually plays this one slightly slower than most. Unusual pianist, the left hand really comes out. I appreciate the way he does not play like everyone else.
@dickhead9192 will you go to every chopin video bashing on liszt? who are you to say anything about one of the best composers ever out and one of the most talented pianists ever? or let's put it differently, do you know anything about mazeppa or even better the 10th transcedental? aren't those masterpieces? isn't the liebestraum 3 a masterpiece? come on, man wake up...get over hating liszt... you probably can't even play an etude of his.... you should stop being high, not peole playing liszt!
"There is not one Richter performance that has the slightest hint of imagination, personality or an individual idea." Then you simply don't have a clue. Pity.
He is a fantastic pianist, but I must say that is sound more like "Liszt"... this is not Chopin!! The crescendo between 2:29 - 2:35 is one of the most violent things I heard on my life!!! It´s absurd!! :-D
Genius? At what? Following his Henle? There is not one Richter performance that has the slightest hint of imagination, personality or an individual idea. As literal as one can get.
I am very glad to see that there are other people out there who also agree that Richter wasn t that good when playing Bach.... I also do admire this pianist but thats a fact....
Great Performance! Listen to Lhevinne's performance. The fidelity isn't the greatest - 78rpm record. Still it's superb esp. the Ab section. Listen to the G#m (3rds). as well as his towering Bm(octaves). You'll hear the sustained notes under the octaves that most pianists seem to ignore - played - but not brought out.
He is not afraid of breaking the rules to make it alive. With that kind of sensitivity he can't reach everybodys heart in cold times like we have today.
Cziffra is a genius. We all can see the centre of the target after his hits. A talent strikes the targets wich we all have known before. Thats the difference. Thanks to everybody who made Cziffra possible and that he was born in times of recording.
Amazing, this piece really DOES remind me of a raging storm. Most other performances are taken too seriously and played too slowly, and as a result, the final image of the storm is not quite as effective as it could be. And storms are always out of control, especially big ones. Performances of this piece played too slowly does not give this impression. But Cziffra...!!
Cziffra, as always, congratulations on a top, unbeatable performance of this piece!
Wow, astonishing heights of musicality reached here. Cziffra almost scares me with his intensity of personal temperament and emotion that he brings to his playing. He also plays as if difficulties don't even cross his mind, and they probably don't.
Hear the bizzard howl...
SheWillNeverLoveMe 2 months ago
I wonder he didn't play the right hand with a lot of octaves lol
newFranzFerencLiszt 5 months ago 2
@newFranzFerencLiszt haha, that's a good one:D
agniky 2 months ago
it's bone chillingD:
MCdreamer91 6 months ago
The piano EXPLODED!!
t82man 7 months ago
why is Cziffra slowing down in the more difficult passages ans speeding up again in the easier spots?
that is not the same as rubato is it ?
janvandoedelpuk 11 months ago
@janvandoedelpuk
I truly tried to answer you, but it's a difficult challenge, without saying things that have already been said ^^
Let's try to explain ... did you play this piece ? I can say that no, because if you did, you would know that it is not so much difficult to put the speed up in a difficult passage if you can do it in an "easy" one.
MonsieurRafi 9 months ago
@janvandoedelpuk
More than this, knowing Cziffra, and his peculiar attentions to every pieces he played, I can tell you that there's no way he didn't know perfectly every passage of this piece, so each one, for him, was as easy as another ^^ I truly think you can trust me when I tell you that what he did in this piece actually IS rubato, and not cheating.
MonsieurRafi 9 months ago
@MonsieurRafi
I did not study this etude but I did study Op.10.4 and there he is slowing down in the more difficult spots.
I got the idea he is doing the same thing here.
janvandoedelpuk 9 months ago
@janvandoedelpuk
I didn't hear Cziffra playing Op.10 - 4, but I'd like to ^^ what might convince you that Cziffra isn't slowing down because of the difficulty of the piece is the fact that, at every moment, what you hear in this video is music, and not just notes played one after the others ... If this doesn't convince you, I guess there's nothing more to say about it
MonsieurRafi 9 months ago
@MonsieurRafi If his rubati are musically motivated then I don't understand his sense for rubato. I am not pleading for a metronome performance. There is a lot of room left between rhytmic distortion and a metronome perfromance.
janvandoedelpuk 9 months ago
@janvandoedelpuk
sorry, I thumbed down instead of clicking on "answer" ... :/ Well, about the rubato, I guess we can say it's a peculiar one, youy like it or you don't, but you can't say it isn't, at least, an interesting one =) yes there's a "rythmic distortion", as you're saying, but I don't dislike it ... "tout les goûts sont dans la nature" ^^
MonsieurRafi 9 months ago
@janvandoedelpuk Agreed, but Georges Cziffra rarely make these rythmic mistakes unintentionally. This's my favorite intepretation, unpredictable and moodchanging just like the stormwind itself.
ImmortalSpecies 8 months ago
@janvandoedelpuk absolutely not. he's even gaining speed in the more difficult passages!
agniky 2 months ago
@MonsieurRafi absolutely right. if you want to convince him, just show the waltz transcriptions of strauss.. thats insane..
agniky 5 months ago
A winter wind is unpredictable, he charactizes it perfectly.
ImmortalSpecies 11 months ago
This is not a winter wind but tornado :-)) ..... Cziffra plays is amazing!
lacipatkolo1 1 year ago
He actually plays this one slightly slower than most. Unusual pianist, the left hand really comes out. I appreciate the way he does not play like everyone else.
trevjr 1 year ago
3:27 ~ 3:28
in a second, 48 NOTES!!
TripleRhu 1 year ago 5
@TripleRhu Try 60 :D
atee12321 1 year ago
Chopin Etude No.11 Op.25 "Winter Thunderstorm" - Georges Cziffra
sapfirewand 1 year ago
Too lisztian. Lisztians can't play Chopin. Everyone should stop playing Liszt now. They're destroying their souls with music that never was.
dickhead9192 1 year ago
@dickhead9192 dickhead, all is in your nickname...
Mikujo 1 year ago
@dickhead9192 what a dick head
llethaface1 1 year ago
@dickhead9192 will you go to every chopin video bashing on liszt? who are you to say anything about one of the best composers ever out and one of the most talented pianists ever? or let's put it differently, do you know anything about mazeppa or even better the 10th transcedental? aren't those masterpieces? isn't the liebestraum 3 a masterpiece? come on, man wake up...get over hating liszt... you probably can't even play an etude of his.... you should stop being high, not peole playing liszt!
alejandrothefader 1 year ago
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"There is not one Richter performance that has the slightest hint of imagination, personality or an individual idea." Then you simply don't have a clue. Pity.
tweriovnzxclb 1 year ago
Jesus H Christ! Insane speed, great clarity AND expression. Hail Cziffra!
Baddogphil 1 year ago
@Baddogphil Not sure if "Hail" is a pun here, regarding Cziffra's storm.
ilikehaku1100 1 year ago
He is a fantastic pianist, but I must say that is sound more like "Liszt"... this is not Chopin!! The crescendo between 2:29 - 2:35 is one of the most violent things I heard on my life!!! It´s absurd!! :-D
victorviolin 1 year ago 4
so much power in the right hand especially, a bit disturbing
nikolayrostov 1 year ago
the last gumm 4 octaves in 1 sec!! this is supernatural
costellopianist 2 years ago 4
powerfull
tOwTforce 2 years ago 2
Truly amazing.
Gothic1982 2 years ago 6
Samson Francois and David Saperton have VERY interesting versions, well worth seeking out.
cypkat60 2 years ago
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I prefer Richter, the greatest pianist of all time.
Liebromeistal 2 years ago
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The most overrated pianist of all time.
cypkat60 2 years ago
Richter is not the best nor the most overrated, he was a genius but people do equal him in skill. Except his Bach and Handel, he is not good at them.
morvensky 2 years ago
Genius? At what? Following his Henle? There is not one Richter performance that has the slightest hint of imagination, personality or an individual idea. As literal as one can get.
cypkat60 2 years ago
I am very glad to see that there are other people out there who also agree that Richter wasn t that good when playing Bach.... I also do admire this pianist but thats a fact....
uhartchristian 2 years ago
Great Performance! Listen to Lhevinne's performance. The fidelity isn't the greatest - 78rpm record. Still it's superb esp. the Ab section. Listen to the G#m (3rds). as well as his towering Bm(octaves). You'll hear the sustained notes under the octaves that most pianists seem to ignore - played - but not brought out.
CD122344 2 years ago
those powerfull bass notes sounds like lightning, its awesome!!
Heichi3 2 years ago 3
haha, wow, Cziffra. he is so free with music. love the fifths in the bass!
musicy88 2 years ago 3
He is not afraid of breaking the rules to make it alive. With that kind of sensitivity he can't reach everybodys heart in cold times like we have today.
Cziffra is a genius. We all can see the centre of the target after his hits. A talent strikes the targets wich we all have known before. Thats the difference. Thanks to everybody who made Cziffra possible and that he was born in times of recording.
barakjoe 2 years ago 6
Amazing, this piece really DOES remind me of a raging storm. Most other performances are taken too seriously and played too slowly, and as a result, the final image of the storm is not quite as effective as it could be. And storms are always out of control, especially big ones. Performances of this piece played too slowly does not give this impression. But Cziffra...!!
Cziffra, as always, congratulations on a top, unbeatable performance of this piece!
tomekkobialka 2 years ago 7
Just amazing performance. My favourite!
MaslAlek 2 years ago
Wow, astonishing heights of musicality reached here. Cziffra almost scares me with his intensity of personal temperament and emotion that he brings to his playing. He also plays as if difficulties don't even cross his mind, and they probably don't.
squishym 3 years ago 3
Always the best...Cziffra !
theradiantcheetah 3 years ago 4
A most fantastic and perfect storm!! It would seem Cziffra's pianos have a difficult time weathering his playing :)
lamorlayefrance 3 years ago 2
storm
qdbdbp 3 years ago
It's seems to me impossible to play that étude with more temperament.Extraordinary.
Juliet0307 3 years ago 2
Magestic !
dantevip 3 years ago 4
This ain't Winter Wind already...
This is now officially a blizzard...
talonboy5432 3 years ago 52
lol!
yundilang 3 years ago
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lame@@!1
suemealso 3 years ago
A stormy mind blowing performance - more like a hurricane than winter winds. Cziffra plays like a man possessed!
piano345 3 years ago 28