Python Vs. Java For Intermediate Developers

[Username7260]

i stoped watching when the ugly guy said with java you can write server code and client code with JS lol ! ugly and dumb !! you got it all bro sorry

[BlackwaterOpsDotCom]

@Username7260 If you think JAVA, JAVA Script is Easy. If you think Perl, or Python JAVA Script seems very foreign. You didn't eve bother to have a real name so I can't imagine how ugly you must be to choose to be anonymous. TROLL.

[nimajnebrm]

I have to admit I enjoy watching these videos, not sure why exactly

[105jrt]

talking out of your arse

[BlackwaterOpsDotCom]

@105jrt Commenting out of yours

[Thomaxonal]

Should've used the "Windows key" + "left arrow" or "right arrow" keyboard shortcuts to get your two windows sized, lined up and even. Even if you're not going for accuracy it's still much faster than manually resizing and lining the two windows up.

[pnaditya1]

Youtube is written in Python :P !

[amgadhs]

Java and JavaScript are NOT the same language! And python is a scripting language like ruby and php NOT like C and C++! And by the way java is the one like C++.

[BlackwaterOpsDotCom]

@amgadhs Python Runs Compiled in most place Python is a scripting language Very Rarely. Java and Java Script follow similar naming and Object models I didn't say they were the same language.

[hughfdjackson]

@BlackwaterOpsDotCom Javascript has no classes; it has prototypal inheritance instead of classical. Sure, they tried to make it *look* very much like java to try to make it easier on developers to pick up, but the model is nothing alike.

[hughfdjackson]

@BlackwaterOpsDotCom Also, to compare things on the basis of their object model alone when you're talking about a multiparadigm language is to miss a huge swathe of features.

js and python both have first class functions and closure functions, which makes the functional programming style possible. From there, support for function composition, libs using HO functions, partial application etc is not far off.

[hughfdjackson]

@BlackwaterOpsDotCom The thrust of your point seems to be that Java's superficial similarity to JavaScript makes it easier for Java programmers to use js than would python developers. This may be true for the most basic usage. For anything beyond that, it's a casual observation from a lot (a *lot*) of time spent in freenode's ##javascript that python developers grok js much more quickly than java ones.

[JerodimusPrime]

@amgadhs exactly what i was going to say :-)

[shayanrafizadeh]

this is bullshit. there are alot of apps written on linux ditros taht used python as primary

so this guy either doesnt know or doesnt care about python

java is good i like

[BlackwaterOpsDotCom]

@shayanrafizadeh Your comment doesn't appear to be in English, I write a lot of code in Python. You are an idiot.

[BabarAliTaji]

@BlackwaterOpsDotCom Good info. Thanks 

[BlackwaterOpsDotCom]

@SuicidalWaltDisney I'm closing this thread, you are being a troll, and don't know what you are talking about. I'm removing your comment on the basis that it contains your email. If you want to message back and forth in private use YouTube messaging and then email. Youtube doesn't allow you to post URLs or Emails and circumventing these rules is against my rules.

[SuicidalWaltDisney]

Pthon is a great language, but those who think that think that they are going to make a well-made full program in it are just being ignorant. Python is the finishing touches or the glue that brings a program together. If you are serious about programming, go with Java or C++

[BlackwaterOpsDotCom]

@SuicidalWaltDisney I have written full enterprise solutions built in python. Most of the applications you run that are powered by Google are written in Python.

[SuicidalWaltDisney]

@BlackwaterOpsDotCom If by applications by Google you mean Google apps, then yes some are made in Python. However, if you are talking about the much more popular Android market which is owned by Google, it runs on Java. Python is much slower than other languages and uses just as much if not more memory, not to mention the large file size if you choose to package it. However, if you choose not to package, almost nobody aside from programmers know what Python is and probably wouldn't download it.

[BlackwaterOpsDotCom]

@SuicidalWaltDisney I mean actual products that GOOG makes. about 60% of those are python.

[SuicidalWaltDisney]

@BlackwaterOpsDotCom Excuse my ignorance, but off the top of my head I really cannot name any Google products other than Google desktop. I know that the website itself uses many different languages in order to optimize speed. According to what I have read, Google uses just about every programming language there is for different jobs.

[BlackwaterOpsDotCom]

@SuicidalWaltDisney Gmail? Google Docs? Adwords? Adsense?

[SuicidalWaltDisney]

@BlackwaterOpsDotCom Ah, yes, sorry I misunderstood. I thought you were talking about software made by google. My apologies. Anyway, like I said earlier Google uses many languages, in order of prevalence is C++, Java, then Python and Javascript for the client. This brings me back to my point earlier that Python is a great language, just not one that I would consider to be a language for programming entire programs with. I believe that its strong-suit is tying the program together.

[SmartestViking]

@SuicidalWaltDisney I disagree completely, there are TONS of applications written in Python, and I've written some myself. If your Python program really is that slow, you're probably a bad programmer.

[rafedb]

you obviously have no idea what you are talking about lol

[BlackwaterOpsDotCom]

@rafedb On what point?

[BlackwaterOpsDotCom]

@rafedb On what point?

[rafedb]

@BlackwaterOpsDotCom

As soon as I heard you say Java and JavaScript share anything besides the 4 letters 'Java'. JavaScript was named as such to play off of the popularity of Java back in the 90s. Any sort of loop/ifelse type statements can as easily be translated into any language(yes including Python), so your point of that being an advantage of Java is pretty ignorant.

[dewijones92]

thanks!!

[renegade8164]

I went three courses in high-school/collage (here in sweden) in programming for Java and I hated it, but I stood out and finally got mine A+ in all the three courses. After that I've programmed Python.

[renegade8164]

I personally hate Java because;

- It is always so slow on every computer/os I've used it on

- The code is bloated compare to Python (30 lines of code in Java is like 10 in python)

- Java is promoting their own GUI (Swing) is bad

- Java runs in a virtual machine to run on every os, that makes the application slower!

- You need to compile your code! (Makes debugging so slow and makes it much harder to work with, more time consuming.)

[ayawlex]

can you make a comparison with "win 7 vs win 8" ?

[sk8torgurl14]

I took Visual Basic as an elective in my freshman year of nursing school and I really liked it. When I was looking for what it could be used for, I found that many people said it was useless, so I dropped it. Now I'm interested of making an android app (iphone app later) and I was thinking of learning Java. Does java have a similar "visual" aspect like VB does? I liked dragging the objects and labelling stuff, then going to the code to make it work. Can I do something like that with java?

[Kuckti15]

@sk8torgurl14 Sort of. With Java, you can use the Swing API, which some IDE's have a tool for (like visual studio click and drag components into a form) I personally like the use the Netbeans IDE for Java development. I also know Java has a beefier API called JavaFX, but I have never personally used it.

[sk8torgurl14]

@Kuckti15 Awesome! I'll look into these then. Thank you very much.

[03iloveeureka03]

I am in a computer science program right now at my university. My one class (Computer Science Basics) has us starting to code is Scratch...which is like completely visual based and almost no typing. We are using it for like fun, really basic programs. The other class (Beginner Programming) is all Java. It is the first language most people here have touched (I've done Basic and C++ before) but I dont think anyone is finding Java that hard to pick up.

[onomatopoeia162003]

there is always server code for asp.net... since i took that class already.. javascript i still have to take..

[syryoyoboy]

Python is better for small codes, while I prefer java for longer codes.

[alexanderjurjens]

I think C and C++ influenced both languages.

[Kuckti15]

I started out with Python as my first language, and I'm glad I did. Since Python is a scripting language, it's easier to pick up as a first language. But it's also interoperable with Java. So if you want, you can use Java with Python using the same code.

[nateso95]

JavaScript and Java are completely different, JavaScript isnt at all related to Java.

[BlackwaterOpsDotCom]

@nateso95 Sure they are. They use the same language structure. JavaScript is simpler and doesn't have as strong of typing.

[nateso95]

@BlackwaterOpsDotCom If you compare it against Python, I guess.

[BlackwaterOpsDotCom]

@nateso95 Independent of Python. Java Script code, and Java Code (minus the includes and libraries required to do anything "real" in Java) can be code identical. Much of the code you would write in one can be copy and pasted in to the other.

[HitfulVids]

@BlackwaterOpsDotCom Have you actually tried this - pasting code between Java and JavaScript? I suspect not. lol

[BlackwaterOpsDotCom]

@HitfulVids Not whole programs, for/next and if then loops and logic.

[averagejoejesse]

@BlackwaterOpsDotCom Java is also nice because if you learn that it's pretty easy to translate your java skills into c++ if you ever needed to.

[0xNEVVG3N]

@BlackwaterOpsDotCom

Java and Javascript are similar like Car and Carpet are similar.

"JavaScript, despite the name, is essentially unrelated to the Java programming language, although both have the common C syntax, and JavaScript copies many Java names and naming conventions. The language was originally named "LiveScript" but was renamed in a co-marketing deal between Netscape and Sun, in exchange for Netscape bundling Sun's Java runtime with their then-dominant browser."

[0xNEVVG3N]

@BlackwaterOpsDotCom

"Much of the code you would write in one can be copy and pasted in to the other"

I don't think so, the syntax of creating Variables, Classes, Functions, etc. is very different, each language have their own syntax.

Both being based on C-Code you can copy stuff such as control-flow statements (if-statements), or looping statements like (for, while, and do-while) but that's it.

[0xNEVVG3N]

JavaScript is an object-oriented scripting language that allows you to create dynamic HTML pages, allowing you to process input data and maintain data, usually within the browser.

Java is a programming language, core set of libraries, and virtual machine platform that allows you to create compiled programs that run on nearly every platform, without distribution of source code in its raw form or recompilation.