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  • Love this "argument!" Xians; why are you angry at Zeus?

  • Of course the counterargument to Matt's hair joke is that God struck him bald once he became an atheist.

  • @ChipArgyle That's fine, he pulls off bald better than he does hair. It only serves to make him look more badass as he destroys the arguments for God on public (access) TV.

  • I got mad at the easter bunny one time when I was about 3 but I got over it soon after because I figure out that he didn't really exsist!

  • Me too! I got mad at god too! I told him he was doing a piss-poor job. I went on to tell him that this is not the kind of job I'd expect from an almighty being. This is the kind of thing I'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. He never even got back to me with a response. What a prick!!!!!

  • @somethingdiffereable R.I.P George.

  • I love Marten Wagner's "not sure if serious..." face.

  • another damn YouTube argument?

    maybe YouTube should make an arguments section for each video.

  • @Gmaster350 fuck you! it's fine the way it is! What say you?

  • @Gmaster350 yeah its called the comment section

  • @Gmaster350 isnt that the point of the comment section... to discuss, argue, debate the videos? What else would the comment section before? Imagine how exciting it would be if we all just said 'great video', 'stupid video'... see now you and I can argue over why we should or should not argue on youtube comment sections.

  • Atheists SHOULD be mad at God...for making so many idiot followers before ceasing to exist. ;)

  • Bigfoot is a christian republican?

  • you say spirit is useless,and i think your wrong.if it is a controlling spirit or dominion or computer etc this shows control freaks.

    personally i know the bible is a written work and used as a doubledged sword.

    my faith is simplistic to avoid there traps.

    to many codes and gangs.

    written by a mad scientist or politician.

  • To Me, This a problem We as humans face-(all views, religion included) when we need evidence for everything. it's Black or white, It's always a Yes or No at the end. No room for Faith, imagination, creativity and understanding. all the stuff in between. when its all said and done. I'll pray for you Angela, not because i want to shove it in your face, but because its my way of showing you, I care. Peace and God Bless

  • @RightouesPath2011 : Yes, either there is enough evidence or there isn't. Faith is a belief without evidence which has no place when dealing with real world issues. Everything that is real has evidence to support it so to believe something without evidence is counterproductive.

    There is most certainly a place for imagination, creativity, and understanding. It's how the search for evidence begins and they are very important.

    I hope this exchange has been enlightening for you.

  • @Angelalynx999

    Always is Angela. God Bless

  • @Angelalynx999

    What is your definition of Faith?

  • @RightouesPath2011 "What is your definition of Faith?" - Sorry, I missed your question until now. The definition of faith is to believe something without evidence to support it.

  • @Angelalynx999

    haha I knew you would answer me like this.....its so you.

    Since you suggested Wikipedia this is thier definition.

    Faith is trust, hope and belief in the goodness, trustworthiness or reliability of a person, concept or entity.

    Would you agree with this?

  • @RightouesPath2011 : No, faith is the belief of something without evidence. If faith is used in the place of trust then it is not actually faith but trust.

  • @Angelalynx999

    So your going with your definition and not wikipedia? I asked this because You refered wikipedia to me to find author of the Bible you seemed confident that it was a reliable source.

  • @Angelalynx999

    Don't answer that, it was a flawed question on my part, and I know my intensions behind it were not good. I apologize.

  • but society has ways of glorifying the wickedness, like a Babylon or Sodom. Example, this Casey Anthony case, the media is spinning it like some big attraction, ways to get ratings, money really. People arguing back and forth about the verdict, from all walks of life. We forget that an innocent little Girl perished. this is the kind of wickedness we will all be judged for by the one true God, Alpha and Omega, the Almighty One.

  • @RightouesPath2011 : Again the problem is that if god is the creator and all knowing he set up everything to happen as it has happened and is happening. So the question should be why does he want some people to suffer and others to not?

    Also how can he judge anyone since he set everyone up to do what they do? That seems kind of evil to me. "You killed people because I decided that you would kill people and now you are going to be judged for my actions.". Does this sound right to you?

  • @Angelalynx999

    Yes, God is all knowing but you miss the point of his Love, what would life be without free will? we would be hollow, prisoners, faith would be worthless. He is all knowing that is why the Bible is set up from start to finish as a testamony of his Love for us, his deep desire for us to come back to him. He gave us a way to do so by living a human life, perfect Jesus. Sacrificing himself to save our souls from ALL sin.

  • @RightouesPath2011 : Again, if god knows everything and made everything that has and will happen happen there is no free will. It is an illusion. Want to cheat on your taxes? God planned it. Want to go to Disneyland? Got set it up to happen. We ARE nothing more than robots to god's will. This is why there is no need to seek salvation or to feel guilty about being human since it is god, and god alone, who holds the responsibility for everything that happens. You can live feel of guilt.

  • Do you belive in dinosaurs? better yet do except how we have been indoctrinated in how they look?through education and movies? Is there anyone alive that has seen one in person? or do we just take scientist and computer generated visuals about how they look at face value?

  • @RightouesPath2011 : Since there is evidence of dinosaurs there is no need to have a belief. They existed, this is a verifiable fact. Exactly what they looked like none know for sure. There are educated speculations based on where they were found, the climate they lived in, and what they ate so the depiction of them are as close as we can get. However, not having all the pieces does not invalidate what IS known and the research into their appearance continues. This is how science works.

  • I don't believe that the Bible is fiction, it is fiction.

    -is that a world view or your? your not imposing this on me are you? =)

  • @RightouesPath2011 "is that a world view" - In as much as recognizing and acknowledging any work of fiction is a world view.

    "your not imposing this on me are you?" - You are free to believe whatever you want to believe but I would like to see everyone embrace reality for what it is. To not need to believe in fantastic things merely because it makes them feel better.

  • @Angelalynx999

    I hear you,  but when you make a statement "I don't belive it is fiction, it IS fiction." It makes it sound like, to me atleast, you imply this is everyones thinking.

    -Believe in fantastic things, Do you believe in Miracles?

  • @RightouesPath2011 "you imply this is everyones thinking." - No, what I mean is I don't have a belief that the bible is fiction, it has been demonstrated to be fiction in the same sense that I don't believe in gravity because it has been demonstrated to be real. No belief is required.

    "Do you believe in Miracles?" - Miracles, by definition, are the suspension of reality to allow something that should not happen by the laws of physics to happen so no, I don't believe in miracles.

  • Peter 1:20-21, Peter reminds the reader to “know this first of all, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, … but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.” The Bible itself tells us that it is God who is the author of His book.

    It is written by all walks of life, from Kings to Fisherman but all inspired by God.

  • @RightouesPath2011 "The Bible itself tells us that it is God who is the author of His book." - And here we have a circular argument. "The bible is true because it says it is.". Sorry, not good enough. What evidence do you have that a god wrote the book? It's not science since there is nothing that was not known at the time. It's not wisdom since there are many things that are not wise and obviously the product of the time.

    Again we don't know the real authors, stop trying to assume you know.

  • @Angelalynx999

    While the Bible had unknown authors due to ravages of history. The book was written by all walks of Life. From Kings (Solomon, James) to Physicians (Luke), Tax-Collectors (Matthew), servants to a persian King. (Nehemiah)

  • @RightouesPath2011 : Once again, the gospels authors are not known! Even biblical scholars concede this point. They were given the names Luke, Mathew, Peter, etc. but those were not the people who wrote them. So again, to claim to know ANYTHING about the authors when it is unknown WHO the authors were is to be disingenuous.

  • @Angelalynx999

    please show me where you find this information?

  • @RightouesPath2011 : A good place to start is the Wiki: Authorship of the Bible. There are many reference links that go with it. This is just one source but since it has references attached it is a good starting point. Remember, never let dogma and doctrine get in the way of the truth.

  • @Angelalynx999

    I'm not trying to convert you in any way. If you believe the Bible is fiction then that is your free will. I'm just merely showing you a different way understand the Bible. It's truly an amazing book. weither you belive it's real or not. great lessons to learn. I think attitude towards a book whatever it is play a major part. I'm not a harry potter fan why?Not because it was well written, popular, made millions. My initial attitude was this is for little Kids. so i missed out.

  • @RightouesPath2011 : I don't believe that the bible is fiction, it IS fiction. This is a fact since magic slinging demigods have always been the product of fantasy.

    And yes, the bible has some moral lessons but they are in between the genocide and unbridled violence and hatred of the rest of it. And if it was only looked at in that way, some moral lessons, then I wouldn't have a problem. It's when people say that it's ALL good that I say "Wait a minute, what about this?".

  • @Angelalynx999

    I repect your views. But I again this goes back to attitude about something if your reading the Bible to be skeptic then you will be skeptic about everything. this shows ME how Loving God is, giving us free will. What would be the point if God to tell us everything and walk us through life being obidient? We would be prisoners, and our faith would be hollow, meaningless. Again if you had evidence of God what would you do? what then? our tendency as human is to take for granted

  • @RightouesPath2011 : I read everything as a skeptic. If I didn't I would believe everything that I read and saw. Skepticism is vitally important in determining what is true from what is false.

    If god is all knowing we have no free will and are merely doing what he made us to do. However if there is any punishment doled out by god for doing what he supposedly made us to do then I would argue that he is not a loving god but a tyrannical one.

  • @Angelalynx999

    Again we blame God if things go wrong and not look at ourselves or other men. This is the free will you are missing, if you, for a second look at God like as a Father, we are his kids. He lets us explore life, but when we may get hurt or start hurting others he interferes, because he doesn't want to see his children get hurt. When someone does a horrible act in our society, we either put them away for life or put them to death. either way they won't harm society again.

  • @RightouesPath2011 : If god is the creator of all things and is all knowing then he is ultimately responsible for everything that happens since it was he who designed it to happen. So if this is the case there is no free will since he already knows what is going to happen. This is called the free will paradox.

    The problem is he doesn't interfere. Good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people. Innocents suffer the world over. This is known as the problem of suffering.

  • @RightouesPath2011 "Again if you had evidence of God what would you do? what then?" - That would depend greatly on what the evidence is, what god it proves, what attributes this god possesses, what desires this god has, and whether I would consider it a good, neutral, or evil god, etc. There are too many variables for me to say what I would do if "a god" was proven to exist.

  • Yes evidence is old and due to the ravages of ages, quite fragmented. But student of the bible ans of science should avoid polorizing to black and white thinking. I'm not going to admit anything the bible doesn't say and science should not admit what science doesn't explain.To me our world is more than some blind chance and probability. The Bible (Genisis) not only tells us that the world was created by God. it tells us who God is. Gods personality, his character, his plans for creation.

  • @RightouesPath2011 "To me our world is more than some blind chance and probability." - And it is. No scientist says that chance or probability had anything to do with it. There were favorable conditions but that is not the same thing as chance.

    "The Bible (Genisis) not only tells us that the world was created by God." - And why should the bible be believed? What evidence is there that anything written in Genesis is true?

  • @RightouesPath2011 "it tells us who God is." - Yes, a vindictive, tantrum throwing, child like being who delights in the suffering of his creations.

    "Gods personality, his character" - See above.

    "his plans for creation." - Have fun watching people suffer, destroy everything, and pick just a few to live forever doing nothing more than singing praises and kissing his ass for eternity. Some plan...

  • @Angelalynx999

    Have you read Genesis? The story of Adam and Eve? God wanted Adam to obey, but God gave Adam the freedom to choose. without choice, Adam would have been like a prisoner, and his obidience would be hollow. The 2 trees provide an exercise in choice.Since God gave us free will, why blame Him?

  • @RightouesPath2011 I don't know where you're getting the idea that god gave us free-will from but it certainly isn't the bible. The reason why Adam took of the tree of knowledge was because god made him which is explained in Rom 8:20 - 21 where vanity is the result of the fall. Rom 9:19-23 says that god makes certain vessals to dishonour and some to honour. eph 2:8-9 it is through faith (aka the CHOICE to believe) we are saved - NOT OF OURSELVES a gift of god. Free-will is an unscriptural dogma.

  • @RightouesPath2011 "Have you read Genesis?" - Yup, it's fiction.

    "God wanted Adam to obey, but God gave Adam the freedom to choose." - Without knowing right from wrong Adam and Eve (who did not exist) could not have made an informed decision and would have been like children. Since your god is all knowing and the creator of everything it can not be the fault of anyone BUT your god (assuming it exists). This is SIMPLE logic.

  • @Angelalynx999

    They were like children, Genesis 2:25 Now, although Adam and his wife were both naked, niether of them felt shame.

    -have you ever notice how a little child can run naked through a room full of strangers wihout embarassment? not aware of thier nakedness, just as Adam and Eve were not embarrased in thier innocence. But when they dissobeyed and sinned, shame and akwardness followed and made barrier between them and the God.

  • @RightouesPath2011 : And your god knew what would happen and set them up to fail since he is ALL KNOWING, is he not? If you agree that he is all knowing then there is NOTHING that can happen that he didn't know was going to happen and therefore it is ultimately HIS fault for what his creations do since he made them to do it. This is why, through simple logic, the blame of Adam and Eve is false. The real blame always falls to god (not that I believe for a second that it exists).

  • some scientists say that the number of stars in creation is equal to the grains of all the sand in all the beaches of the world. Yet this complex sea of spinning stars functions with remarkable order and efficiency. To say that the universe "just happened" or "evolved" requires more faith than to believe God is behind these amazing statistics. God truly did create a wonderful universe. He didn't need to but chose to because God is love, and love is best expressed towards something or someone.

  • @RightouesPath2011 "To say that the universe "just happened"..." - Since no one says this no faith is required. And it is an argument from ignorance to claim that a deity had anything to do with anything unless evidence can be presented which has not happened in all of the history of humanity.

    "God is love" - God is a made up concept to explain the unknown for the sole purpose of comforting those who need some reason for the why and how of things even though that explanation explains nothing.

  • @antjam666 Truth, not thueth..

    Have a good weekend.

  • ATHEISM IS A RELIGION!

    THEY BELIEVE THER IS NO GOD BUT CANNOT PROVE IT!

    THIS IS FAITH, FAITH IS RELIGION!

  • @HealthyCabbie Do you have to prove that the loch ness monster is not real to disprove it or is the lack of evidence prove it's not real? Bigfoot? Fairies? Dragons? Unicorns? exe. Anything presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. The burden of proof is on those claiming god is real or gnomes stole their underwear.

  • @zooryanzoo123: I don't have any proof for God, I have faith and faith is not proof, I have proof of my faith but not for God.

    I like you have no proof either way.

  • @HealthyCabbie You didn't provide proof that The loch ness monster, bigfoot, Fairies, Dragons, Unicorns, underwear gnomes don't excised. It is up to you to provide proof of their non excised and not for me to prove their existence.

  • @zooryanzoo123: I got no evidence for the existence of the Lochy monster, he or it may exist, I don't know, until I have done a through examination of the loch and taken all the water out we will never know.

    So for God to not exist, you also must do something similar, you go and check out all of space and when youv'e done this come back and tell me what you found.

  • @HealthyCabbie so to know weather or not god was real i would have to be a god? The fact that there is NO evidence is why i am an atheist. If there was evidence i would be a theist. Faith has nothing to do with it. If god is real when i died and i saw him i would convert. Has NOTHING TO DO WITH FAITH.

  • @HealthyCabbie You have to realize that you are atheist towards every religion but one - the one that you were indoctrinated with.

  • @Jakubb126: Yes, you may be correct, I have faith in the Bible, as it gives us the history of the earth from day one right up to the last day and beyond.

    No other book does this.

  • @HealthyCabbie yeah bit most of the stuff in the bible is a load of bullshit by science proving them wrong.

    having 600 million animals on a boat the size of the titanic is stupid and unrealistic. We have proof that the world was made millions of years ago rather then thousands. if the bible was true we shouldnt be able to drive cars because you need gas and gas is devolved over millions of years from dead plants and fauna.

  • @Peterher3: You really have not understood the flood scenario have you!

    Why would there need to be 600 million animals on the ark? Do you not understand micro evolution? From just 2 dogs you can get a whole variety of all the dog kinds through evolution, just 2 of all kinds will get you where we are today with all the animals we see on the planet.

    Coal & gas can be made in 24 hours in a lab, and tell me how you come to the earth being millions of years old, explain to me the dating methods.

  • @HealthyCabbie -.- really there are 300 millions types of species now can you honestly tell me if i had 2 leopards it would make a lion. Coal and gas can be made in a lab yes they can. But do you really think that they would get major supplies of coal from laboratory no they mine them.sure evolution can happen but it takes millions of years to occur

  • @Peterher3: Coalification does not take millions of years, it can happen in a matter of just a few years, under great pressure it will condense down into coal and gas.

    Were not told what the original big cat was that went on the ark, but from the original gene pool you could get all the different varieties of cats.

    Evolution can happen in a matter of just a few years, animals can adapt surprisingly quickly!

  • @HealthyCabbie yes they can take years. BUT not natural coal, Natural coal is the residue of animals and planets waaaayyy before 9000's years ago. Aboriginals have been around for 50,000 years soo.... who created them. That kind of evolution can but not the main type of changing.

    

  • @Peterher3 No 2 leopards would not make a lion. However, there was once a common ancestor for the lion & leopard. Over millions of years this common ancestor evolved into family known as "Felidae".

  • @turretsCanada exactly my point :)

    

  • @HealthyCabbie

    "I have faith in the Bible, as it gives us the history of the earth from day one right up to the last day and beyond."

    Yes Bible does this.. but why to think that every word in bible is true ? If I write my own Bible today, after two thousand years, would people think that its true ? and build religion around it? They might... as people does now. I would look everywhere else but in the Bible for truth.

  • @RamsesTheFourth: Thats a great comment!

    I am right behind you on this one.

    The Bible is our manual for life, and it keeps us on the straight and narrow.

    Nice post, keep in touch.

  • @HealthyCabbie : Your manual for life is a book of oppression, slavery, and immoral behavior? Wow, I hope I never meet you in real life. You might follow your manual and stone me for one reason or another.

    Also you might want to learn basic geology and biology before you make the (idiotic) claim that the bible is true in every way. You'll look less like a fucking moron that way! ^_^

  • @Angelalynx999

    Manual for slavery?book of oppression? Immoral behavior? how so? It was God who freed the Jews from slavery of Egyptians. God who put an end to those who live immorally (sodomm and gomorah). Oppresion of who? God see Man and Woman as equal.

    -The Bible has never argued against science, with all due respect, science argues the Bible.

  • @RightouesPath2011 "It was God who freed the Jews" - Since there is no evidence that the Jews WERE slaves of Egypt this claim is suspect.

    "God who put an end..." - And saving the only "good" man. One who was willing to allow his daughters to be raped and whom raped him and had his kids. And why was he saved again?

    "Oppresion of who?" - How about all of the rival tribes that god tells the Jews to kill and enslave?

    "The Bible has never argued against science" - Because it can't.

  • @Angelalynx999 1/2

    The "good" man you are talking about was Lot. He had a father/son relationship with Abraham, Abraham rescued him and his family a few times. He also pleaded with God to mercy on Lot. Lot had fallen victim to the city of Sodom's ways, his status in sodom was high, he had money, cattle everything of that world. So in this sense he could have schemed a way to save both daughterss and 2 stranger by 1) hoping the daughters fiances would recue them. 2) The men were homosexuals

  • @RightouesPath2011 : Again, why save this piece of shit (Lot) and kill everyone else? THAT is an example of immorality. Where your god is just fine lifting up some assholes and killing the rest.

    "Sorry not Jews but Isrealites." - Again, there is ZERO evidence that ANY slaves had a mass exodus from Egypt at ANY time. The Exodus was made up.

    "your going to have to give me a verse" - Take a look at Numbers 21. Are we all equal in the eyes of your god or are some more equal than others?

  • @Angelalynx999 2/2

    and he thought they would lose interest cause they were girls. This was Lots way of thinking living in a sinful place like Sodom for so long. But at the end he obeyed God. His weaknesses are that his first reaction is to think of himself. He always chose the easiest coarse of action even though it was always the best. He conformed to the world around him.

  • @Angelalynx999

    Sorry not Jews but Isrealites. Sorry

  • your going to have to give me a verse where you find the rival tribe being killed and enslave.

    -The Bible never needed to because God created science, why would God need to argue against it?

  • @RightouesPath2011 : If you think that the bible is the word of god then your god clearly did not know shit about the world or the universe. It's obvious that whoever wrote the bible had only bronze age knowledge. Statements like demons causing illness and the Earth being a circle and not a sphere shows us what was not known at that time. That's why one can not use the bible to argue against science since it is more fantasy than reality. The real question is, why does science not support a god?

  • @Angelalynx999

    Understandable, it is written in the broze age, by bankers, men of science, physician, historians. The bible has truly stood the test of time.

  • @RightouesPath2011 "it is written in the broze age, by bankers,..." - Since the authors are not known it is not known who they were or what they did so to claim to know is to be disingenuous.

    "The bible has truly stood the test of time." - Only as archaic fiction. There is nothing more to it than that and it's sad to see people try to ascribe reality to it.

  • The system we are living under is oppressive.

    If you were not ignorant, you would have watched my other video where I say: "The old testament is not now for us, we are now under a new covenant"

    But I guess you're like all the other atheist, jump to the worst conclusion just because I am a believer without looking any further.

    I did not say the Bible is true in every way, do you always make claims without evidence, no wonder you believe evolution didit!

    I don't think I ever want to meet you.

  • @HealthyCabbie "I don't think i ever want to meet you." Is that christ-like? Do your comments to people reflect the love of god? The way you talk to people in debates is a big stumbling block to you; as a christian - a follower of christ - you are meant to act, behave and treat others (it is irrelevant how they treat you - that doesn't matter whatever you suffer christ suffered worse) in a spirit of love according to 1 cor 13: 4 - 7 especially "is not easily provoked"

  • @HealthyCabbie "you would have watched my other video..." - Do you go by the 10 commandments? It's in the OT. And Matthew 5:18 states that the old laws are forever.

    "jump to the worst conclusion" - But I didn't, I said that you were a fucking moron and that is backed up by your COMPLETE lack of scientific knowledge which is typical for an idiot Christian.

    There is no belief required for evolution, it's a FACT. But please, continue to be lazy and just repeat "God did it.", that takes no brains.

  • @HealthyCabbie "I don't think I ever want to meet you." - You're probably right. My independence, morality, knowledge of the REAL world, and complete freedom from any and all enslaving concepts would pop your little brain. Best to avoid people like me like the plague (which science has cured) so that you can have your insane beliefs without the possibility of having any logic and reason challenge them.

    After all no god can withstand logic and reason! ^_^

  • @Angelalynx999:

    Atheists are the most dumbest stupid idiotic morons on the planet, probably more stupid than a rapper from south London,.

    This is why: They spend their time arguing about something that does not exist, the biggest culpret is Richard Dork-ins, and he's your Arch Bishop, sorry, but you chaps have no credibility.

    You have no proof to back up your religion, as with the big bang, evolution, the age of the earth, it's all one big lie.

  • @HealthyCabbie : Says the person who believes in magic in the face of reality. Now that's comedy! ^_^

    I have no religion therefore your assertion of a lack of proof is nonsensical like your belief in your magic man.

    No credibility? We're not the ones saying magic man did it. You want a lack of credibility take a look at any creationist.

    Since you hate science so much please turn off your computer, do not drive a car, move to the woods, and live in a cave.

    Hehe, you're such a fucking moron! ^_^

  • @Angelalynx999

    We're not the ones saying magic man did it.

    -I've never said that either, but i've heard this host say it many times

  • @HealthyCabbie

    Peter 3:15-16 tells us that when someone ask to explain our Christian faith we must do so in a gentle and respectful way. Keep your conscience clear brother.

    -and control your tongue, though it is a small body part, what a path of hate and anger it creates. peace and God bless

  • @RightouesPath2011: yes I know...But these guys are blinder than blind.

    Bless you also brother..

  • @HealthyCabbie : And we're also smarter than smart and wiser than wise! :p

    I love your nonsense! It's so much fun to see an idiot make a fool of himself! ^_^

  • @Angelalynx999: I don't think it's to smart to think everything came from nothing, I would keep that quiet if I were you, people will think your silly.

    It's far more honest to say, I think something created it, but I cannot be sure, I have faith it was God who was the cause.

  • @HealthyCabbie "I don't think it's to smart to think everything came from nothing" - Then why do you guys believe it? After all it's the Christians who believe that god "spoke" everything into existence from... NOTHING! :)

    Those of us who accept the big bang as the probable cause know that the universe came from a singularity of super hot, dense energy which is... SOMETHING.

    Actually it's far more honest to say "I don't know." than to assert that a god had something to do with it.

  • The Bible does not say it was from nothing, it just said God spoke it into existence, you said out of nothing, Can you prove your statement?

    The BB has been disproven years ago, authentic scientist have fled from this thinking, the truth is we do not know. I cannot prove God did it, and you cannot disprove it, everything has a meaning, if there's a meaning, then behind it is intelligence, our universe has meaning, it would then be wise to say God was the probable cause.

  • @HealthyCabbie : And what was the universe made from? Sound waves? In nothing? So it's logical to conclude that to believe that a god spoke it into existence when there was nothing that the universe was created from nothing. There, proven.

    Big bang disproved? Strange that this is not in ANY scientific journal. Making more shit up I see.

    There is only the meaning that we assign therefore your conclusion is wrong. There is no inherent meaning to anything although there is purpose.

  • @HealthyCabbie "you cannot disprove it" - I don't need to disprove it. It is the onus of the claimant to prove that their assertion is correct. So get on it.

    "it would then be wise to say God was the probable cause." - No, it wouldn't since that is not an answer and it only creates a LOT more questions. Not to mention that there's that tiny little problem of a COMPLETE lack of evidence for the existence of ANY god. But don't let that stop you from making a complete fool of yourself. ^_^

  • @Angelalynx999: I have faith God exists I cannot prove God, so now you tell me why your an atheist.

    I'm putting you on the spot, are you going to take up the challenge and tell me your answer.

  • @HealthyCabbie : The answer is simple. See my last post about evidence.

    Since you are "putting me on the spot" how about I return the favor? You have faith that which god exists? Why that one? Why not the others? What makes your claim better than ALL of the competing god claims throughout history? If your god exists why does it hide? What is it afraid of? Why is there no evidence for the existence of ANY god? Are YOU up for the challenge of answering my questions? ;)

  • @Angelalynx: Well done for dodging my question.

    The Bible gives us an account from day one of history, and it seems to fit better than any others including hinduism.

    God does not hide, He's a spirit, we are to take His word by faith and faith alone, if He showed up it would not then be by faith but by sight.

    God whats His true church to love Him with faith, this way He knows who His children are, every one would believe if He showed up, God wants us to accept His word and obey it. I struggle.

  • @HealthyCabbie: Sorry for the typo.

  • @HealthyCabbie "Well done for dodging my question." - No dodge. I answered it. Lack of evidence. Done.

    "The Bible gives us an account from day one" - Which is contradicted by science and contains multiple contradictions within itself. And then the question must be asked why should the bible be believed?

    "God does not hide, He's a spirit" - What is a spirit made of? If he interacts in the physical world he has a physical presence and can be detected. Why has he not been detected?

  • @Angelalynx999: We believe we are surrounded by a spiritual world which we cannot see, there have been many accounts of angels and human encounters, I obviously cannot prove this, as I was not there to verify it.

    The Bible does not say the world is 6000 years old, science tries to say the earth is billions of years old, something else which is not provable.

    All the dating methods have their problems!

  • @HealthyCabbie "We believe we are surrounded by a spiritual world" - Again there is no evidence to support this.

    "I obviously cannot prove this" - Then why believe it? I have an invisible, intangible, fire-breathing dragon in my garage. Do you believe that?

    "science tries to say the earth is billions of years old" - It doesn't "try", it does say that the world is 4.5 billion years old. This has been verified many different ways. To deny it is to deny science itself. Are you?

  • @HealthyCabbie "All the dating methods have their problems!" - In some instances, yes. That is why there are many different ones. Read a book, take a class, look it up on the internet. The knowledge is there for all to see. Or you can be lazy and just repeat "God did it." and give up the search for knowledge. Your choice.

  • @Angelalynx999: Ummm? I did not say God did it. Thats your word, you're jumping to conclusions thinking I definitely know God did it, I don't know! I have faith God did it, but until I have 100% empirical proof I cannot say for sure, and I'm not in the habit of lying.

    We all have to be open and honest if we are going to get anywhere, I have faith, and I'm sure 100% I have faith, thats all I can be sure of.

  • @HealthyCabbie

    "The Bible does not say the world is 6000 years old,"

    If you add up the chronology, the Bible says the first day of existence was Sunday, 23 October 4004 BC (Re James Ussher). There were already civilizations all over the world at that point.

    "science tries to say the earth is billions of years old, something else which is not provable."

    It is in physics. Google "the age of the earth" & click the talkorigins link.

  • @HealthyCabbie "we are to take His word by faith and faith alone" - Why is faith so important? Why is it better to set aside all of our intellect and just believe that a fantasy is true without evidence?

    "if He showed up it would not then be by faith but by sight." - He supposedly revealed himself to many people in the bible. If them why not everyone? What made them so special?

    "this way He knows who His children are" - Aren't we all children of god? Or is it only a few?

  • @HealthyCabbie "every one would believe if He showed up" - Everyone would know that A god exists. But that does not mean that everyone would follow or worship this being. And if there is a punishment for NOT believing wouldn't it be doing more harm than good to remain hidden?

    "God wants us to accept His word and obey it" - And yet he chose the absolute worst way to convey his "word". This is evidenced by the numerous religions in the world and the 38,000 sects of Christianity. Way to go, god. :p

  • 38,000 sects of christianity, to me it shows how divided the word has become, this was prophesied by Paul the apostle, Paul elluded to this, so did Jesus.

    There would be those who are hard line atheist, people of other religions who would not accept God, even if did show up.

    God does not want anyone to perish, this is why Christ died, if God gave everyone a free pass into heaven, Christ's would have died for nothing.

    What other way could they convey a message 4,500 years ago but by writing?

  • @HealthyCabbie "to me it shows how divided the word has become" - And a house divided against itself can not stand. This tells me either your god does not exist or does not care. Which is it?

    "who would not accept God, even if did show up." - If it was the god portrayed in the bible I wouldn't worship it. But then I don't worship evil.

    "if God gave everyone a free pass" - So then your god made and wants people to suffer. Good to know. ;)

  • @Angelalynx999 You said: "a house divided against itself can not stand". This is 100% true, and there's a reason for it!

    The church is in such a mess, it needs to be shaken! many christians have not got the true faith, God is going to shake this world like never before! (financially, climatically, in every way)

    This is why you me and every one needs God, He promised to do this, He also promised He would take us out of the crap thats to come.

    It's just started already.

  • @HealthyCabbie : I love the no true Christian (Scotsman) fallacy! :)

    "The church is in such a mess" - WHICH church? There are thousands.

    And when is god going to "shake this world"? People have been saying that for 2000 years. And why would a god WANT to have this happen? It looks more and more like your god loves to see suffering. This is also evidenced from reading the bible. Why do you want to worship an evil god?

    "It's just started already." - What makes you say that?

  • @HealthyCabbie "What other way could they convey a message 4,500 years ago but by writing?" - Are you actually saying that an omnipotent, omniscient being decided that the BEST way to convey his will was to have a bunch of people over a thousand years in the bronze age write some stories down that conflicted in different languages, some of which have died out, and translated many, many times, being altered throughout the years?! This was the BEST way? Wow, not much of a god, is he?...

  • @Angelalynx999: The Bronze Age was the period from about 2300 to 700 BC, so it was a little after the Bronze age.

    These people were very clever, they built the famous pyramids and Giza.

    A team of Japanese scientists tried to replicate this, they gave up.

    h t t p :// wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_the_Jap­anese_attempt_to_rebuild_the_g­reat_pyramid

  • @HealthyCabbie And they thought that illness was caused by demons and that the world was a flat circle. This is hardly a period of enlightenment and this is the time that a deity thought it would be a good idea to come on down and die to make a loophole to a rule that it created in the first place since it's completely unable to forgive without a blood sacrifice. Just because some of the civilizations of the time did great things doesn't mean that it wasn't a primitive time.

  • @HealthyCabbie "this was prophesied by Paul the apostle, Paul elluded to this,"

    Paul was already living in a time when most people were doubting the new-found cult that he was pushing. It's like a hardcore rightwinger walking into Burning Man and spewing pro-war propaganda after "prophesying" that hippies will oppose him there.

    "so did Jesus."

    Actually he (incorrectly) predicted the EXACT opposite in John 17;20-23.

    Jesus made lots of false predictions about himself & his cult (ie, 2nd coming)

  • @buffdaddy3144: The 2nd coming is yet to happen, but before that we are to expect trouble on a scale thats never been seen since there was a creation.

    The scenario we are now facing I believe is the start of troubles, its going to get worse unfortunately, but this must happen to shake mankind our of babylon.

  • @HealthyCabbie fucking... prove it!

  • @HealthyCabbie You're not a HealthyCabbie...you're damn sick one! Need to keep you in the insane asylum with your other buddies that believe in the Toothfairy and Three Little Pigs. Stay in there with your Mythical Hebrew God and its fictional characters.....

  • @cycorealm35: You got religion as well, so your just as insane as me.. :-)

  • @cycorealm35 Have you ever heard of anyone in history being imprisoned or executed for distributing copies of Grimm’s fairy tales? The bible, has suffered all of these fates. Throughout history and even today, copies of the Bible are banned and burned, and those possessing it are persecuted and imprisoned. There’s something about this ancient book that threatens and frightens those in power, especially those who use power to oppress people weaker than themselves

  • @elibeth121

    Christians have killed and tortured and suppressed magnitudes more innocents than those Christians who have been oppressed themselves.

    I can't feel bad for people who worship hateful, evil fairy tales, and a horrific monster the source of all evil and suffering, and refuse to even consider the possibility of their ridiculous position being wrong, in spite of all the evidence in the world, while spending thousands of years in power torturing and murdering and suppressing knowledge.

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  • @Ryakki You are not to question God's morality

  • @elibeth121

    A character in a story book does not get a say.

    Mass murder, torture, suffering, disease, famine, orders of rape, intellectual oppression, dishonesty, dishonor, and endless cruelty are immoral in my eyes, and my morality, as a real person, is superior.

  • @elibeth121 A supreme being that is above our definition of morality? That alone is immoral, and thus you've created a paradox. And yes, Ryakki has an excellent point. In fact, I'll even quote your own bible to further his point: "Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks." -Psalm 137:9

    That, in case you didn't notice, is immoral by all the sane's standards.

  • @HealthyCabbie : Oh, and couple more. If you can't prove your god concept is real why believe in it at all? Do you believe in other things that are supernatural and as of yet unproven? If yes, what and why?

  • @Angelalynx999: I believe in miracles, this has happened to me, healed of a neck/back problem 100%.

    There is no physical evidence for God, why would there be, we believe through faith 100%.

    I'm a trusting guy, I trust God to honour his word, as long as I am walking the life he wants I'm in his will.

  • @HealthyCabbie "healed of a neck/back problem 100%." - Do you have medical documentation by a physician that states that your healing was the work of supernatural means? The body can and does heal itself. This is not uncommon. When you can present an amputee who has spontaneously regrown a limb then we'll talk.

    "why would there be" - Ripples in a pond.

    "I'm a trusting guy, I trust God to honour his word" - Yes, I can see that you are gullible. You know, I have a bridge for sale. ;)

  • @Angelalynx999: This is whats about to happen:

    The euro will fall, this will cause the Dollar to weaken and America will default, this will put huge amounts of pressure on the American people.

    Ultimately the whole world money system within 5 years will probably be gone, it's under extreme pressure, a new money system will be implemented using a micro chip, no money, no cards, no cheques.

  • @HealthyCabbie : Oh, you're one of these "Mark of the beast" idiots, aren't you?

    And if in 5 years everything has turned around what would you say? "Oops! I guess that wasn't it."? I'm betting you'd be just like all of the other doomsayers over the centuries and make up a new date of set of circumstances and the process will continue. Am I right?

  • Mark of the beast, 666 and all that.

    It's possible, we see the nations in perplexity (Luke 21:25)

    You have to smell the coffee, if you have an eye on the news, you will know we are facing a massive financial problem, I'm telling you now, it's all going to fall.

    I don't know when it will fall, but 5 years would be a guess.

    When you look at the big picture, it looks very similar to Matthew 24 & Luke 21.

    I have to go to bed now, I will talk again.

    Thank you for you time, take care.

  • @HealthyCabbie "It's possible, we see the nations in perplexity" - Which has been happening for thousands of years and will continue for many more years to come. So what? That's like saying "There will be wars.". Well, no shit. That's hardly prophetic.

    "it's all going to fall." - It might, and it might not. And that in no way would indicate that a divine intervention is about to happen.

    Very well, I will be around if you want to continue this some other time.

  • @HealthyCabbie

    Actually, there is a world recession coming up, somewhere in the next 12 months

    I estimate.

  • @SkyyDevourer: I will go with that thought.

    I predict the Euro will probably crash, the dollar will stay propped up by loans from China, things are going to be worse I fear.

  • @HealthyCabbie You're an idiot. 

  • @HoLOLcaust: Great input.

    That must have really stretched your mind.

  • Wait, if Bigfoot's mad at human's for multiplying and encroaching on his territory, should he be against straight marriage?

  • jesus died

    but raptor-jesus went extinct for us.

    who mad ethe bigger sacrifice?

  • @Mikeybetts

    I vote for Raptor Jesus!!!

  • @joysword

    hells yeah!

  • sounds like he is agnostic

  • Babies are good food.

    

  • @TheF86Sabre typical athiest

  • @JJJ10JJJ If you mean intelligent, witty, well read and living a life based on fact and logic, then yes! Typical Atheist I am. And we don't eat babies...we educate them again, with truth, fact and logic.

  • @TheF86Sabre ''we dont eat babies'' lol. im just demonstrating that when taken under the right context, a joke can be treated as seriously as a religous argument.

    im not sure what this says more about, the absurdity of religious beliefs, or the absurdity of the intellectual ego.

  • @JJJ10JJJ Well said my friend.

  • @JJJ10JJJ "im not sure what this says more about, the absurdity of religious beliefs, or the absurdity of the intellectual ego."

    It's called Poe's Law.

  • @TheF86Sabre Explain to me... Where does this baby eating concept focuses?

  • @akulabite I Don't understand your question.

  • @TheF86Sabre Yeah.. I hear this baby eating concept a lot. Just want to know where does it focus (on the show , on the hosts , on religion) ? Or is its just meant to be a bland insult?

  • @TheF86Sabre lmao

    In other words, he's saying “Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?”

  • @Emanresu56 lmfao ;-)

  • wcmmprod: Why don't you just say what you mean;D

  • such a cute cow

  • who was the person speaking at the beginning of the clip?

  • Have you read Robert G. Ingersoll

  • i wouldn't have gotten mad at god if he didn't crack so many momma jokes :"(

  • @wcmmprod - clearly you believe in both.

  • @MichaelTannock yup, i believe that the devil is real but i never worshipped the devil as anyone who denies God.

  • @wcmmprod - This is what confuses me; You're saying that if you don't believe God is real, then you worship Satan. But what about those people who don't believe Satan is real either? Don't you have to believe something is real before you can worship it?