The Bibles Buried Secrets Did God Have a Wife

[Octavian951]

For me the very concept that Satan has the power to influence human behaviour and shape events is problematic in Judaism and its antecedents being truly monotheistic.

[WildBarley67]

The Weather God Ba el - The Prince of the Power of the Air...

[occupynow]

intelligent and beautiful what could be better.

[dedski7]

those stories w/the prophets being chalenged by priests/prophets of other false gods were told to show proof that God was the 1 true God

[dedski7]

i bet she has an alter for baal in her home & worships him! plus its no secret that many different deities were worshipped & they werent trying to hide that fact

[ANDROID697]

Judeo-Christain/Catholic & ancient pure Buddhism all have Krishna/ Vishnu as the Absolute Deity to be worshipped. BIBLICAL PROVE in Maccabees Bk2 the story Of Heliodorus includes a story of THE FORM of God when appearing to him, is depicting a description of Krishna/BALaram in Vaishnavism tradition. Heliodorus erected a Stone pillar declaring KRISHNA THE GOD OF GODS. Google Heliodorus pillar. And search for bridal mystism. The connections are astounding. Chant HARE KRISHNA! OM/AUM/AMEN

[ANDROID697]

Sri Sri Krishna Sri Radha are the divine couple God & God/ess in the sanskrit Vedic tradition(the oldest scriptures in the world. They were known as Kouros & Rhode(mystical Rose) in Greek traditions. Jewish Diety Eli-Yahu & Shekinah(feminine) was the Egyptian Deity Heri-Vasu, Greek Deity Heli-Us and is Indian Hari-Vasu/Shakti (Krishna-Vishnu.) Yahu-BALaram is Jesu(Messiah)The second Godhead. Yishma-Yahu in Hebrew means VISHNU(Krishna) All these links go back to the Vedic Krishna/Radha God/ess.

[ebrian99]

The Ten Commandments' -  Number 5: Honour thy father and thy mother . . .

The spiritual meaning is clearly - Father Mother God.

And as for the scribes: Look, the false pen of the scribe certainly works falsehood. (Jeremiah 8.8)

[crucisnh]

I think that the Torah professor is wrong when he tries to claim that Judaism was the first monotheistic religion. I think that Zoroastrianism probably was first, not to mention Atenism. Judaism probably didn't become truly monotheistic until after the Babylonian exile when they probably had some exposure to Zoroastrianism.

[leffehoegaarden]

Without doubt the best eyebrows in the world belong to Francesca Stavrakapoulou.

[saveusmilkboy]

HA! i never noticed before, but it is true that the Judeo-Christian and by extension Muslim mythology does not account for the birth/origin of god. If you look at world religions who came before this tradition, only in Zoroastrism is there no account of the origins of Ahura Mazda. Which is where we think the Jews got the idea for the one god anyway.

Is there any other god whose origins are not discussed in myth? i can't think of any off the top of my head. help!

[Inverita1]

@saveusmilkboy Hello, I'd like to adress your observation concerning this theology. The Judeo-Christian God does not need a creation because He isn't created; so the logic of everything needs a creation is a flawed regressive tactics because only something that is beyond our time/space is capable of being the originator of time/space. Thus the Christian view of God is He lives outside of space and time and there for needs no cause to be. He always was.

[saveusmilkboy]

@Inverita1 however you are making your observation on the basis of faith. i was making it on the basis of comparative religious science. both are valid, but they belong to different categories and cannot be mixed. also only one can sustain a debate, since we cannot argue about belief. my observation was not that the Christian God strangely lacked origin, but that the creators of this mythology did not see the need for it. And the reasons given (in theology) are the ones you noted.

[Inverita1]

@saveusmilkboy Correct. I am using theology to describe a possition. Do you find this notion at odds with a possibility of originating energy, infering at some point something must have been without a cause?

I feel this is a good possibility because it seems less possible that an infinate cycle of regression could exist. The problem is that modern science is incapable (not saying it wont ever be capable) of accounting for the Pre-BigBang Singularity.

[saveusmilkboy]

@Inverita1 that is a different story. as you have said, there is as of yet no way to know, or even speculate with certainty, what originated our universe. we must first sort out methodology.

i am of the opinion that there is no need for linear time, in which case there is no call for a beginning, opposed by an ending. rather, the universe oscillates. it is our logic that seeks linearity, not our physics.

but as i said, that is a different story, and a matter of heavy speculation.

[Inverita1]

"Let Us make man in Our image" is refering to the Trinity. God has three seats on His throne, as He exists in three parts. Much like an atom has three parts (proton, neutron, electron). Each holds its own function but make up a single unit. The "Council" is a host of angelic beings. If she just stopped making assumptions and actually read the material this wouldn't be so difficult. I guess all you need to get on tv is a pretty face and English accent.

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 All you have to do is open a youtube account and your a biblical genius!! The trinity isn't in your book, it came much later. "Angelic Beings", THATS RITCH!!! I think she isn't the one making assumptions, I think someone who thinks skygods and angels exist is making a whole lotta assumptions!! I guess all you need to be a Xtian these days is the ability to leave reason behind.

[Inverita1]

@sickofgod69 The word Trinity isn't in the BIble.. Correct! But the term was an invention to describe a concise message of a grouping used in the Bible to determine God's full Character. Father, Son, Spirit... or at other times, Father, Word, Holy Ghost. The idea is that God is in three parts, Mind (God head), Son(body), and Spirit (soul) thus we are in the image of God sharing those 3 qualities. I'm not assuming anything, nor am I claiming to be a genious. This is elementary stuff !!!!

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 No, the bible never says Trinity, another invention by man, just like the bible. You can make up all the crap you want, but if jesus was actually even ever alive, he wouldn't have a clue what you are talking about. You believe in magic fairy's and you pretend that angels are real. YOU WILL BE MOCKED!!

[crucisnh]

@Inverita1 "Ghost" as in Holy Ghost just means spirit in old english. Go check out the etymology of the word "ghost" and that's what you'll find. No doubt that when the King James version was written, the translations of greek or hebrew for "spirit" got translated into the old english word "ghost" (which didn't have the same connotation as it does today).

[Inverita1]

@crucisnh I agree with this. I don't recall arguing any different.

My argument is that the word translated as God in English is אֱלֹהִים (Elohim) which is a plurality and means angels.

Word use:

divine, divine being, exceedingly, God, god , God's , goddess , godly , gods , great , judges , mighty , rulers.

See how El- is used as a prefix for spiritual.

Also read this document. Very informative.

yrm.org/elohim-proper-pagan.ht­m

[crucisnh]

@Inverita1 Baloney. Elohim is plural for god, i.e. "gods", not angels, as in a pantheon of gods. This is just another example of modern redefinition of words to make them mean what people want them to mean, rather than what they probably really meant when written. I put the site you link in the same category, modern redefinition.

[Inverita1]

@crucisnh It is not a modern redefinition. I studied linguistics and am have a BA in writing. I know that contect of a word and use shape the definition. The term EL is used all throughout the bible as a desriptor. Especial in consideration of words like ELI (meaning 'my God') or names like Elijah or Eli-Yahu which means (My God is YHWY). Simple reasoning and consideration dispells this conspiracy to hide other gods.

[crucisnh]

@Inverita1 Sorry, but we'll have to agree to disagree.

[Inverita1]

@crucisnh Fair enough. Have a great day!

[Inverita1]

@sickofgod69 I read all of your comments to me, and you make claims against me, cut down my character (which you have no evidence or support of) and mock a topic you know very little on. I am mearly pointing out how absurd this video is... either use evidence to prove my claim is right or wrong, or don't attempt to "contribute".

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 TO BAD!! I will tell you that you are delusional, because you are. The video is based on REAL SCHOLARLY RESEARCH. Your arguments are nothing but APOLOGETIC BULLSHIT TO TRY AN EXPLAIN AWAY YOUR SILLY BIBLE!! I have studied comparative religion for over a decade, DEAL WITH IT!!

[Inverita1]

@sickofgod69 First, I agreed that Bible doesn't use the word Trinity, so you are arguing for the sake of it. Also, you said "if Jesus was actually ever really alive" yet you say you studied religion for over a decade. HA!! There is tons of proof of Jesus' existance including more secular writings than any other person in history. Your generalizations are biased and ungrounded and your "real scholars" are just nonsense talkers like you saying what you want to hear.

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 Ok.. I will bite.. Where are all the writings, and please include enough sop that I really beleive your ABSURD CLAIM THAT "THERE ARE MORE SECULAR WRITINGS" ABOUT JESUS "THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN HISTORY". You will make history with your research, because there is nearly NONE. The few that do exist are far from genuine and far from clear.

[Inverita1]

@sickofgod69 I withdraw my statment on there being more secular writing. I was mixing my thoughts about biblical record and copies and admit my fault. Still, the secular writings are there. Just type into google The Historicity of Jesus and read. Accounts of Jesus arent impossible to find. There is enough information to prove Jesus existed, taught, and was crucified for claiming to be God. The best account of His teaching is in the Gospel so to dismiss them as historical evidence would be wrong

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 Smart move withdrawing the absurd claim. I know all about what primary sources are available, and have read them, and the reviews of them. I think the theories that jesus never existed are as compelling as any that suggest he did. But once you prove the guy breathed, all your work is still ahead of you. Resurrection was EVERYWHERE at that time. There are lots of miracle workers roaming judea, NOW PROVE YOUR PARTICULAR MIRACLE WORKER IS THE ONE THAT IS GOD.

[Inverita1]

@sickofgod69 I agree accepting Jesus was an actual person is only the begining. Please provide names for other resurrections. So far all the other crucifiction/resurection god claims I've heard (I.e.Horace, Krishna, Mithrah, Ceasar etc) have all been completely refuted. Read Evidence for the Resurrection by Josh McDowell. You may not agree with it, but I know the apostles did and were willing to and did die for that belief. Its absurd for someone to die for a lie.

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 Sir, meet Doctor Robert Price, member of the jesus Seminar and eminent biblical historian. On the question of dying and rising gods: /watch?v=WE6KqJjeE8A

You should track down his Bible Geek Podcasts, compelling. That is very CS LEWIS of you to say "Its absurd for someone to die for a lie."

[Inverita1]

@sickofgod69 Belief in a lie, is different than knowing the truth and still dying for it (as Christ did). If He died, knowing that He wasn't God, what did He gain? Note the disciples of Christ were also unsure of His diety and denied the resurection until they saw Him themselves. Note: Peter denied Christ 3 times before the crucifixion and died for Christ after. They were skeptical, as they should have been, but were transformed by the truth of Jesus standing before them resurected.

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 If he knew he was god, and he knew he would be dead for 3 whole days, then resurrected, whats the big deal about dying then? The act reduces death to a sideshow. Perhaps the greatest blasphemy of Xtian dogma of all... NAW, after I think about it I am pretty sure the organized abuse of the children would be a bigger blasphemy. Your church fathers better hope there isn't a god to judge them.

[Inverita1]

@sickofgod69 my church fathers? I'm not Catholic, but you're right the child abuse is something they will most definatly have to account for, and good thing because its horrible. Your problem with the sick-os who use the mask of god to do wrong isn't sufficient to hate God. Show me where Jesus says its okay for people to do harm in His name... You can't.

[sickofgod69]

Your major failure here is the failure of your whole Xtian dogma to understand what a messiah was in the jewish religion, not what your church fathers turned the meaning into. a messiah fought battles in this world, not some afterlife. The messiah was to come free the jews from roman, egyptian and babylonian conquers. There were several messiahs, many after jesus supposedly fakes his death. So continue to make shit up as the church has done since it's inception.

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 jesus would be much more heroic if he actually had SKIN IN THE GAME. To know he was god the whole time, where is the bravery? What has he lost? NADA!! NOTHING!! ZILCH!! He is still god in your warped fairy tale, and you think he knew the whole time!! Even though in one version of the gospel he CLEARLY DOESN'T... "GOD, WHY HAST THOUGH FORESAKEN ME?" isn't something a knowledgeable person says unless it is just for the cameras right? So his he a lair in that gospel?

[sickofgod69]

@sickofgod69 fantastic spelling!! LMAO!!

[Inverita1]

@sickofgod69 You know nothing of the Gospel or why Jesus said what He said. Chapters and verse numbers were not existant in Jesus' time. They refered to sections of scripture by reciting the first and last lines of a Chapter. Look at what Psalm 22, which is what Jesus was getting at. Its desribing what would happen to the Messiah. Read that and tell me it isn't the crucifiction story. Tell me that it doesn't match. And then note it was written by David, who wasn't God.

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 If you are suggesting that the bible is so silly that it even plagiarize's itself, then you have no arguement from me. Uh, oh, now you have to prove David ever existed... The evidence is scant. Good luck.

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 It isn't the crucifixion story pre-told, if that's what your asserting. Instead it clearly is another plagiarizer SMACKING YOU in the face. It is ventriloquism, nothing more. The fact is, Marks gospel is the least credible, as 16:9-20 are accepted by any serious scholar as later additions to the text. It is as if, Mark had a check list of facts to JAM into the story to make it sound like some kind of fulfillment of prophecy, which Psalm 22 NEVER IN ITSELF INFERS IT EVEN IS PROPHECY.

[Inverita1]

@sickofgod69 Yes I am asserting that Psalm 22 is the crucifixtion story pretold and was regarded as a prophecy for the Messiah. If not, what did David mean by they peirced his hands and feet? Crucifixion wasn't invented at the time, so David couldn't be talking about something He saw or endured; as he didn't on any of the description he lists, Jesus however met ALL those descriptions. It fits so well that sholars have a hard time believing it was really written that way without prophecy.

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 People have been putting OTHER people on pikes since man existed. Another absurd statement by you, "Crucifixion wasn't invented at the time". The scholars recognize it for what it is, copied, the apologists imagine flying monkeys called angels.

[Inverita1]

@sickofgod69 It doesn't say "they peirced me" as one would expect on a "pike". If one were on a pike, it would be torso, head, or even anal piercing. Yet the Bible does say "they pierced my hands and feet." This is a VERY unusual statement. So your rationality is poor.

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 Mark is quite capable of writing the story to match the supposed prophecy, OBVIOUSLY!! I'm just sorta shocked that you wouldn't see that possibilty, but instead focus on the similarity INTENDED by the writer as evidence it must be true! No wonder you think angels are hovering.

[Inverita1]

@sickofgod69 HA! Second time you tried cutting me down with an angel argument I never mentioned or addressed. If you want to talk about Angels state your argument, if not, then why bring it up?

I know it is possible for an author to write one to sound like the earlier, but thats not the argument you were saying. You said that it doesn't make sense for Jesus to say that. and I proved it does make sense. One way or another..

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 Your original posts to this video equate angels to the members of the council referred to. You went on to say something like, "if the lady just read the material she would know they were angels, simple." I could be wrong, but I recall you making a similar statement. HENCE, YOU BELIEVE IN LAWN FAIRY'S!!

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 My point has been clear. JESUS SAID WHAT EVER THE WRITER OF ANY PARTICULAR GOSPEL WRITER WANTED HIM TO SAY FOR THEIR SPECIFIC AUDIENCE. THEY ALL WORKED FROM A VEIN OF MYTHS LOCAL TO THE TRAILER PARK THAT WAS JUDEA. You waste your time twisting cavemen's words to fit your modern zombie jesus dogma.

[Inverita1]

@sickofgod69 Ha. Well sir, I hope you have a good day. I doubt their is any value in discussing anything with you, and I'm sure you feel the same way about me. :-) Take care.

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 Actually I think there is great value discussing this in public. I think it was a fantastic dialogue. Of course I am right and you are wrong, but we both knew that going in.

[2rainmalt]

@Inverita1 p-salm 22 does not talk about hands feet pierced. the only passage that reflects the crucifixion is the parting of garments, which john declares this to be the prophecy fullfilled. i know that kvj says that at 16, but the true hebraic translation is; 16;or 17 reference of hands and feet; they ""tied ""hands and feet.is true hebreu translation -- ahh king james.. (francis bacon rosicrucion templar agenda) mouhaha

[Inverita1]

@2rainmalt There are many aspects of the Psalm 22 that coorelate to Jesus's crucifixion. You may make claim that the piercing is mistranslated. But Jesus had no broken bones, which Psalm 22:18 states. During crucifixion the person rarely died on the cross without having their legs broken to allow suffication. Jesus already died and was pierced on his side to His heart, allowing blood and water to poor out. I ask you read the crucifixion account and Psalm 22 side by side. They are near identical.

[2rainmalt]

@Inverita1 okay- jesus did say many things on cross that conveys with psalm as he knew his scriptures. i have another interpretation of why jesus said .elieli why have u abandoned me? jesus was not showing lack of faith. jesus s body had released the spirit of truth that had inhabited him since the baptist . its not very favored by orthodoc x tians. thats how jesus was son of god. because eli had died and all who dies are sons of god. i also think that many apostles are not credible.

[2rainmalt]

@Inverita1 but christs way is the way. the details does not make one less faithful, and to beleive word per word without synicism, its to approve the disciples which i do not trust their judgment nor their perception.

[Inverita1]

@2rainmalt I agree that to trust man (any man) is to allow for error. I do believe Jesus transcended the man/God barrier and I trust that divine will has kept scripture more accurate than most lead on. Despite this, i have experienced personal revelation which helps to confirm these things I believe, but I don't expect others to take my word for it. Regardless, I hope you are having a great day. It was a pleasure coversing with you. :-)

[2rainmalt]

@Inverita1 one of my bibles does say "lier" french for tied. many metaphores. i have learned to appreciate more of the bible now that ive familiarized myself with persian poetry and culture- bible pure poerty with a guideline that even to this day LAWs are based upon.

[Inverita1]

@2rainmalt Either way, the point of was in reference to sickofgo69's comment saying Jesus lost faith by saying "God, why have you forsaken me". I contend that this verse, "I thirst" and "it is finished" are refrences to known scripture. Jesus was drawing attention to this specifically knowing the Pharisees would know what He meant. Or, at the very least, Jesus would be quoting these verses for personal comfort. The misuse in seeing Matthew 27:45-46 as a failing was why I even brought Psalms up

[Inverita1]

@2rainmalt One last point.. you said "francis bacon rosicrucion templar agenda" possibly suggesting that the elite somehow changed scripture or invented it to keep the common man supressed. While I agre there is a conspiracy afoot, I believe that the evidence suggests many outside influences have attempted to destroy the credibility of the Bible which we see was preserved nicely from the dead sea scrolls. Watch a good explination here..

watch?v=R0zpbcEpn8w&feature=ch­annel_video_title

[2rainmalt]

@Inverita1 thank u i will watch it:)

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 It was merely a lamentation like so many others. It even has a TUNE associated with it to sing it to. Only later does Mark try to infer that it is prophecy, and he commences pounding square pegs into the round holes.

[Inverita1]

@sickofgod69 Your trying to make it sound like it doesn't fit.. when we both know, reading Psalm 22 is an exact desctiption of the Death of Christ. But for the sake of argument lets say it isn't prophecy.. Then your original argument of why Christ recited it is still beat because the original point you made is why would Jesus say God forsook Him. He was either

A. drawing connection to Prophecy...

B. reciting scripture...

or C. Both

No mystery about that at all.

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 WHERE DOES THE ORIGINAL WRITER EVER SAY, "I AM WRITING PROPHECY TO A HIP NEW TUNE!!"??? it only becomes prophecy when mark needs a miracle. Till then the jews sang it like all the songs they sang. My point is static, the words were scripted, period. Just the motivation by the WRITERS changed. So suddenly jesus knew he was god in disguise, and mary is notified of her god son. LATER!! When the dogma needs the something something that a virgin birth brings to the NEW RELIGION.

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 AND SINCE YOU BRING IT UP, who else is hurling insults at jesus in mark? The OTHERS CRUCIFIED!! So here we see that mark clearly puts insults in the mouths of the 2 thieves to also spit at jesus as your supposed prophecy suggests. Problem is the other gospels changes the words and tenor of the thieves completely and in one, even promises that one shall SIT NEXT TO JESUS IN HEAVEN. STRANGE SINCE HE WAS JUST INSULTING JESUS IN MARK. Your book is full of this kinda contradiction.

[Inverita1]

@sickofgod69 What contradiction!? Yes the theives were mocking Jesus. But keep in mind they were left up on the cross for several hours. One theif came to his senses after some time and admitted Jesus is the Christ (Luke 23:38-43). Also, it is NEVER stated that the theif would sit next to Jesus in heaven. Jesus said, "tonight you will be with me in paradise." Paradise is one half of Sheol (the other half being Hell) and is commonly refered to as Abrahams Bosom.

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 Blah blah blah... SQUARE PEG, ROUND HOLE... Mark didn't know the later church would want jesus to know he was dying because he was god. So he was more interested in scamming fools like you that it was all predetermined. Like a lemming, you buy it hook line and STINKER. The thieves were SPITTING INSULTS, END OF STORY!! The rest is you and apologetics rewriting it so you can pretend it says what you want.

[Inverita1]

@sickofgod69 Keep believing your unproved generalizations. Your lack of investigation is appauling, and you are saying with certanty what atheist/agnostic and antibiblical scholars all over the globe can only speculate on. So I take it you have some incredible degrees to back your possition right? Or did you just read a few pages on the "Skeptic's Annotated Bible" without any further proof, even though these claims have all been refuted.

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 I guess this is the part where you disappear back under your rock of faith.

[Inverita1]

@sickofgod69 My faith is built on trusting other people who are much wiser than I am. Mainly Jesus whose teaching, I feel, has kept its integrity and purpose in the past 2 thousand years. Conversely, your tactic is to be a skeptic even with the evidence in your face. You pick and choose what suits your ideology and you have no foundation for your beliefs. You are arragant in thinking you're right when the most honest skeptics admit they may be wrong.

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 My tactic is not to pretend that someone 2 thousand years ago had superior knowledge to science, due to his omnipotence. I am not a lemming who assumes since someone said something happened that it really did happen. I have no illusion that genocide as practiced by your blood cult can ever be moral simply because someone thinks god told him it was cool. I can imagine a million ways that the universe and all of us were created, you are trapped in a box of caveman dogma.

[Inverita1]

@sickofgod69 I will watch this link. But I ask you truly conteplate the question.. why did the disciples allow themselves to be tortured and killed, placing their families in danger, if they were just making it up and following a copy cat of other Gods. Read Evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ by Bob Dutko.

[Inverita1]

@Inverita1 Okay just watched your "evidence" from Doctor Robert Price. All of his abstract claims have been disproven. I am glad to share doccuments or videos proving this. They are point by point details that show the absurdity of the claims (especially concerning Mythra and Horace connections) and can be legnthy since there are TONS of claims out there. Let me know if you are genuinly interested and I will PM you.

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 LOL.. your abstract proof fails.. READ THE DAM PRIMARY LITERATURE, SOMETHING THE TEKTONS ADMIT NOT BOTHERING TO DO!!

[Inverita1]

@sickofgod69 Abstract proof!?! You haven't prooved anything. And you talk to me about Primary literature. Keep going back on those sources and you'll soon realize these claims of yours are unsubstantiated and completely made up by non accredited sources. Proove to me He isn't real. You gave one link and all those claims are proven false. You dont want to do the research fine.. but don't tell me you know when you don't.

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 Prove to me who isn't real? How do you prove a negative? Show me one single account from a contemporary! You make extrodinary claims about him being a god, yet you can't even show ANYONE saying, "I was in the market in jerusalem today and this guy jesus came through and got pissed and killed a fig tree." NOTHING!! YOU HAVE NONE!! Yet we have historians all around the area who never heard of him. PROVE HE EXISTS, YOU ARE MAKING THE CLAIM HE DID, I SAY PROVE IT, DANCE BOY!!

[Inverita1]

@Inverita1 I think you'll find these videos adequately define and refute the possition you've presented. It is done breifly by Author of "Shattering the Christ Myth" J.P. Holding. This book is available in PDF form (at least in part) online.

watch?v=su3Lr1kfZMA

watch?v=WQCz_kL-fTA&feature=re­lated

watch?v=8-tHUDXR_4k&feature=re­lated

Or this video refuting the whole Zeitgeist claim which is thought to be supperior (by atheists) to Dr. Price's view

watch?v=JFI6m6Icav4

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 Dan't waste a second sending me more links to apologetics. Been there, done that. I don't want excuses about why your bible doesn't say what you want it to say. Your god was to busy playing with angels in heaven and dicking with good people like Job, to spend a second actually providing proof he exists. I hated Zeitgeist and I didn't bring it up, you did. More truth in ZG then the bible though.

[Inverita1]

@sickofgod69 Glad you hated Zeitgeist. Yet somehow you are mirrioring their argument. so to be clear, watch the last link i provided to see how there isn't a leg to stand on with this absurd claim.

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 A person deluded is willing to do all kinds of crazy things. TELL ME, WHY WOULD 19 PEOPLE TAKE OVER AIRPLANES AND CRASH INTO THINGS IF THEY WERE FOLLOWING A LIE? THIS IS YOUR LOGIC IN REAL LIFE!! Some people don't go that far though. They limit themselves to contemplating angels on Youtube. Belief in a damned lie sums your entire religion up.

[Inverita1]

@sickofgod69 HA! I knew you wouldn't understand my point. Those people believed a lie, (if thats what really happened). But would you ever dilluded or not, intentionally make up a lie and stick with it even after being tortured and your family is killed. There is a HUGE difference between being killed for faith and killing yourself for faith (especially a sudden death like an explosion where ones family is benefited by the "sacrifice").

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 Your logic is so screwed it is like I am arguing with someone who thinks the earth is flat. If jesus tricked his followers as magicians always do, then the deluded would think he was awesome, like the idiot muslim think allah is awesome enough to kill with airplanes and taking their own lives. THEY ALL THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO HEAVEN AFTERWARDS. IF YOU CAN'T FOLLOW THEW LOGIC, THEN IT EXPLAINS WHY YOU BELIEVE IN ANGELS.

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 Explain why jesus, born in a manger, to mary, who supposedly knew he was god, born to her through celestial rape and insemination. Suddenly mary forgets and accuses him of being crazy, and goes to TAKE CHARGE of GOD??? Your book is ONE CONTRADICTION AFTER ANOTHER!!! No shit the chapters weren't numbered till the 12th or 13th century by some frog, whats your point?

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 I will also point out that Paul never mentions the Lord's Prayer, the Transfiguration, the Sermon on the Mount, Mary, Joseph, Bethlehem, the 3 Wise Men,Herod's Slaughter of the Innocents, Galilee, Nazareth, Pontius Pilate, Judas Iscariot, Gethsemane, Calvary, the Temptation by Satan etc etc. He never refers to Jesus as the 'Son of Man', one of Jesus's favourite ways of describing himself. I suggest you are "interpreting" fraud. BULLSHIT IN, BULLSHIT OUT.

[Inverita1]

@sickofgod69 So your rationality is if one man doesn't mention the same thing that other people mentioned that he is not telling the truth? What logic is that. Keeping in mind that Paul is writing letters to groups of people concerning His revelation about God/Jesus whereas the Gospel writers are giving an account of their experience.. The stories aren't contradictory, they are two halves of a whole story which are complimentary.

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 I would suggest further that real scholars agree that we have nothing to confirm that the gospels are first hand accounts. Not one place does it say, "I WAS STANDING THERE AND JESUS SAID, "YO DUDE, NICE SHEET YOUR WEARING!!" .. Instead we hear of other people talking to jesus. The evidence is right in your face and you choose to instead contemplate angels? That just makes you a little bit nutz is all, no biggee! Special pleading gets you no where.

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 Paul is supposed to be the GREATEST EVANGELIST EVER, yet he knows little to nothing about the GOSPELS and JESUS, SON OF GOD? Pretty big problem in my mind.

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 Don't even get me started on the contradictions you ignore in gospels themselves. They don't even know what day jesus was crucified, or agree when he rose up as zombie jesus. Please challenge me so I can go chapter and verse on you. What did the other 2 crucified say and do? Another massive CONTRADICTION, NOT 2 HALVES TO A WHOLE, but instead, CONTRADICTION.

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 "It is not known precisely where angels dwell whether in the air, the void, or the planets. It has not been God's pleasure that we should be informed of their abode." -Voltaire

[Inverita1]

Also, this scholar needs to redefine her understanding quick. "EL" was a term used for gods or supernatural beings. It would be like me saying, Jesus is my God, and a Muslim saying Allah is my god. El is a translaion similar to the word god and its use. It is used in all defining of supernatural. BibEL, AngEL, MichaEL, RaphaEL, GabriEL.. Get it yet? Yes, later it came to define a specific god, who was not YHWH. These are easily debunked claims.

[sickofgod69]

@Inverita1 If you only realized how you sounded.... Pathetic...Desperate... Confused... Basically a lot like Cliff Clavin.

[crucisnh]

@Inverita1 I think that your interpretation of "El" as a generic term similar to "god" is a case of changing the definition to fit your desires. It seems to me pretty clear that the proof that "El" was the senior god of the Canaanite pantheon is solid.

[Inverita1]

@crucisnh I'll give you an example of how this term came to seperate two gods. I say I have a god and he can lift a stone. You say you have a god who lives in water. We both use the term god as it is familiar to us in a supernatural sense.. eventually people become confused since the term is being used as a proper noun. Eventually I decide to name my god Darius and you continue using the term god for yours.. Does that mean I ever believed in your god?

[crucisnh]

@Inverita1 Not necessarily, but I don't KNOW that you didn't. And when we're talking about documents that are over 2000 yrs old and some closer to 2500 or more, we do NOT really know what the real facts are. So, I'll go with what rational logic says makes the most sense, and what archeology might be able to tell us, over a blindly religious PoV that IMHO has been skewed to mean what people want it to mean.

[Inverita1]

Note how EXCITED she was at the mere idea the ruins were BAAL. I'm sure she had a real open mind on the subject and isn't jumping to any irrational conclusions. She's almost turned on by Baal as she talks about him. Then she makes it sound like the Bible glosses over Baal to hide him, even though earlier she mentions how many times he is spoken of. Its this simple, Humans wanted an idol to worship and God said dont make an idol of me. So man created Baal, among other gods, who arent invisible

[Inverita1]

This video is anything but scholarship. This "biblical scholar" misuses verses context and meaning to address speculative evidence at best. The point of Elijah's "battle" with BAAL worshipers was to prove their god didn't exist, not to see who was more powerful. Also, the term god was used to represent a created symbol of a charactoristic (love, wisdom, war, etc.) or given to anything represented as supernatural. Any SCHOLAR knows this.

[crucisnh]

@Inverita1 Why is it that any time that a scholar presents an interpretation of the bible that doesn't match the interpretation of the believers, the scholars are automatically wrong?

[Inverita1]

@crucisnh When original doccuments are created describing a belief system and someone comes along and negates most of the work in said doccument and attempts to make a point against said belief system I can hardly consider that person a scholar. If someone wants to tell me what people believed they need to prove it. These alegations in the video are so outrageous. It would be like me saying, the Nordics believed that Thor was a super hero, because Marvel made a character, so it must be true.

[crucisnh]

@Inverita1 Ah, but we do not have any original documents on this belief system, nor do we have access to the original writers. So all that is left is either blind belief in what people THINK they say and mean, and dispassionate scholars who actually try to drill down into what the real meanings are without getting caught up in the message. Sorry, but I'll listen to the latter more often than not.

[crucisnh]

Continuing... The documentary could have also discussed Sophia, aka (Holy) Wisdom, is spoken of as a female in the so-called Wisdom books, such as the Wisdom of Solomon. Could this "Sophia" been another representation of Asherah? And what about how the Old Testament's (and NT as well, I think) use of the Hebrew word "rauch" which is a feminine word for spirit?

There's just so much more interesting stuff on this overall topic that could have been discussed.

[crucisnh]

I think that this documentary would have spent less time building up to the "Did God have a wife?" section, and got to it sooner so that it could have covered other related topics in the overall discussion. Topics such as the similarity of titles of Asherah (Queen of Heaven, Stella Maris aka Star of the Sea, etc.) to those later given to the Virgin Mary later on by the Roman church, or the practice of baking cakes for the queen of heaven (aka Asherah) (Jer. 7:18), etc.

[internetdrummer]

If Michael, The great prince shows up soon, and he is a coming descendant, human; this young lady would be the absolute princess or counterpartner for him. Portarius, Portaro Famous Warrior, Who is like God.

Meshico.

Michael

[jimtrueblue99]

The rabbi sounds like a Southern Baptist minister. Same mindset, same resistance to history, same blindness to modern critical scholarship, same refusal to consider that he may be seriously in error.

[Dragstersol]

Take that christians and don't forget the catholics too.. XD

[FinixPoltergeist]

@Dragstersol

Catholics are a denomination of Christianity.