i acknowledge climate change as an absolute fact, wether or not its caused by man is completely up for debate. but what monbiot is saying is 100% correct, theres no reason a scientist; or group of scientist in this case, should ever want to hide their research from the public. what possibly could have been they're reasoning for doing this? the only conclusion i can find is it did not correlate their other research. if it had, would it not have been readily avalible with all their other findings?
Okay, let´s say monbiot is right on this "hide the decline"-thing, but what about the cooling trends. The temperature is still falling globally, so we have still being lied to...
No temperatures are rising. Science says temperatures in the lower troposphere have increased between 0.13 and 0.22 °C (0.22 and 0.4 °F) per decade since 1979, and it is 90% certain that this caused by increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases resulting from human activity such as fossil fuel burning and deforestation.
What are the climate scientists doing trying to manage the information that reaches the public?
But more to the point, what are the denialists doing hacking into legitimate, scientific organization's private online conversations? If it were a government performing this kind of intrusive surveillance, then it would be percieved as a terrific encroachment on human rights.
@aerobique Sadly he like other communists have indeed been lying in order to raise taxes and ruin peoples lives. The record unemployment in Europe is the result of these stupid and cruel tax rises.
Lol Check Monbiot out on the munkdebates from Canada he gets totally ripped for peddling his fake science. Monbiot you are a lying fraud, and a journalist not a scientist. People dont believe a word you say your a nob
Whatever your stance on global warming, of even greater concern to me is that we are witnessing media censorship in action - institutional and collusive censorship. This includes George's paper, The Guardian.
Not matter what your stance on AGW, don't you also value your freedom equally? Isn't that an inalienable right for us all? God help us, because I have learned over the past week that the mainstream media is controlled, and it is only a matter of time before the Internet is too.
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"Climate fraud" I agree with everything you said: But I put this question forth to you
Do you think people will ever stand up to increasingly tyrannical western governments before its too late ?
Everything the NWO conspiracy theorists said would happen is happening It didnt surprise me that what seemed like the news story of the year (Climate Gate )barely made the evening news:
If our governments now insist on selling us out , then surely we have no further obligation to obey them:
I am loving the harried race to thumbs down all the comments from those who are for truth and against the lies.
The cat is out of the bag, the truth is known, the lies exposed and the conspiracy to usher in a global government of tyranny and oppression has been dealt a lethal blow
No amount of damage control can make the people of the world continue believing the charade of lies on "global warming".
The ruse is laid bare for all to see and any shred of credibility for Gore's minions is gone
lol@ the comments marked down, lots of trolls here, we can clearly see that climate change is a natural occurrence called precession of the equinox and the people marking comments down I see are mainstream news fed baby's.
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I believe I am like most people on this planet in the belief that working to improve our enviroment and limit pollution is a good thing and I want to do what I can to be a part of that.
Therein was to be found the easy sell for these disingenuous "scientists" to foist their lies upon the world and decieve everyone for their own gains.
Scientists are geeks, boring and on the fringe of society but then along comes the NWO banksters to uplift them to rockstar status, wine & dine them and (cont-)
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give them unlimited millions upon millions to fund their "research". What scientist is going to give this up? Of course they are continuing the lies inspite of the world now knowing the facts by these emails.
They want the fame, the prestige, the money, the tenure, they want a building named after them on their campus, they want to be published as the greatest minds of the day WHORES !!!
Give it up you fools, WE ALL KNOW THE TRUTH AND YOUR LIES WILL NOT STAND !!!
There are far more serious issues than _resisting_ to get our society to use less oil. Even if climat change is all a hoax or the result of some natural process, the oil fiels will not get bigger over night (exept in official numbers of opec states of course..)
you think people that are in the denial industry are not after the fame, money, tenure, building named after them either? if scientists on the climate change side are guilty of all those sins.....hate to break it to you but scientists against it probably are to.
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I will venture to say that the 30,000+ scientist presently and for quite some time now vociferously opposed to the global warming sham have earned their credibility and retained their integrity and honor. They remain true to the spirit of what science truly is -truth- which is something that stands or falls on its own without smoke and mirrors.
If any among them achieves success in his field and gains notoriety I believe it is by applied science and not by applied lies.
gimme one document, one...that would back up your 30 000 claim.
in fact, no. show me documents that talk about any numbers of scientist, independant- if they get their money from the oil industry would not count - that are " against " global warming...even that statement is wrong - in science you are neither for nor against something, the evidence speaks for you.
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You're speaking of the Oregon Petition spearheaded by chemist Arthur B. Robinson together with physicist Frederick Seitz, who lectured for the Heartland Inst., receiver of funds from Exxon.
Among the 31,000+ signatories are 2,586 MDs and DVMs (what they are supposed to know about climate science is anyone's guess) and 12,714 holders of BS degrees (again, what are they supposed to know?).
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Out of the total, only 3,697 were in the fields of atmospheric, environmental or earth sciences, and only 39 of these have a background in climatology - this from the petition's own website.
Among the signatories is Alan Caruba, BA specialising in PR with zero science background. What is he doing on the list?
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From Scientific American:
"Scientific American took a random sample of 30 of the 1,400 signatories claiming to hold a Ph.D. in a climate-related science. Of the 26 we were able to identify in various databases, 11 said they still agreed with the petition—one was an active climate researcher, two others had relevant expertise, and eight signed based on an informal evaluation." Con't...
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..."Six said they would not sign the petition today, three did not remember any such petition, one had died, and five did not answer repeated messages."
Wow, you post about a deeply flawed list (Oregon Petition), which I handily debunk. Then you compare me to a child only to follow that with a comment about "puss laden boils on the ass..."
I'll have to refer people to this when they ask me what projection means.
...denial industry... funded by the fossil fuel industries. What a catastrophic nobody. At what point in the foreseeable future are we going to use less fossil fuel? This clown has his own agenda. This is TheUnrealNews
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I thought The Real News was smart enough to evolve out of the climate change subject, it's a giant scam, their not alone, but I would never give my hard earned money to a slow news broadcast still afraid of being "a conspiracy theorist" F pansy journalist
You're the moron. Global warming is 100% political and has nothing to do with man changing the climate. It is entirely made up by communists who hate capitalism as they fly around in Gulf Stream jets (Al Gore). You are brain washed.
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historically (going back say 100,000 years), Temperature rise happens 800 years before carbon levels rise. It's getting hotter on Mars at the moment so should we tax the martians too? We could use Hemp for fuel, concrete, we can use Water for Fuel, so why should we pay a tax for something we're not even responsible for like carbon? and we're not causing climate change for god sake! If we had a CHOICE we as the people would most likely all choose the option that is environmentally friendly.
So if that guy in the emails was not "ethic" and should leave ( Phil Jones as the head of [the University of] East Anglia Climate Research Unit.) why not to start a real investigation to bust other "not ethic" scientists??? This guy is full of SH*T i so get pissed off when those guys are trying to INSULT OUR FUCKING INTELLIGENCE and trying to sell us this big convenient fat ass LIE of global warming. TAKE DOWN ALL THESE CROOKS STARTING FOR THE WORST OF THEM ALL: AL is BS GORE
George the apologist, propagandist and dauphin, this is truly sad, you are betraying your profession for your beliefs, i believed that global warming was for real but there is no getting away from the fact these joke scientists LIED. you George, like myself have been betrayed OPEN YOUR EYES.
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Blown out of proportion? get your head out of your ass. This is bigger than the Watergate tapes. Trillions of dollars are at stake. The economies of the western world are being strangled by you asshats.
Google: evolution climate change nova. Quote from PBS Nova page:
"Why did leaps in human evolution take place? "First Steps" explores a provocative "big idea" that sharp swings of climate were a key factor."
The prehuman creatures who could not adapt to climate change died off. This is an interesting issue because the people on the right who don't believe in evolution won't know what to make of this, and the liberals who claim the embrace science will have to ignore proof of evolution.
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@kingswinnbad - absolutely agree. Climate change is being tackled by suppressing the poor by not only preventing them from progressing technologically but also by starving them by increasing the price of food through the introduction of bio fuels. The powerful do not want to be challenged; they want to keep the poor, poor. Life is sad and this guy sounds annoying and people are liars. Not so 'real news' as regurgitated media.
You're right they want to suppress technology that would prevent us from moving away from fossil fuels. As such the corporate interests of the world are investing millions of dollars to convince people that man's influence on climate change is a hoax; notwithstanding the vast amounts of evidence to the contrary. The more people they convince into crying hoax the more powerful they will become.
Wake up people! Don't be fooled by the fascist agenda.
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The GIStemp data used by the armageddonist limate alarmists.
Quote:
In Japan, no thermometers now record above 300 meters. Japan has no mountains now. For California, where we once had thermometers in the mountain snow and in the far north near Oregon; there are now 4 surviving thermometers near the beach and in the warm south. But GIStemp is sure we can use them as a fine proxy for Mount Shasta with its glaciers and for the snows and ice of Yosemite winters.
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I couldn't agree more. I pity anyone that supported them money. It must have added a whole new level to the pain as they realized that their hard earned dollars went to support this kind of warmist propaganda.
Global warming is a massive fraud and "the real news" just sits there stone faced while this goon parrots talking points. Pathetic. I had to turn it off.
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This video is full of inaccuracies. the Real News interviews a published Global Warming author about Climategate. He might, just maybe, have a bias toward the topic, just maybe. Exxon Mobil's CEO Rex W. Tillerson has openly stated he wants to work with Cap N Trade. The carbon credit scheme will create artificial scarcity and increase oil profits. Also, the Earth is in a cooling phase because of the lack of sunspots.
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When you look into his eyes, you almost feel sorry for the guy. He oozes desperation. He's grasping for any....absolutely any explanation that will convince him to discredit climategate in his mind.
It's funny to see all of the comments these videos by wet-behind-the-ears teenagers who think they know everything.
The corporations through their orgy of looting and polluting have gravely disrupted the natural ecosystem of the planet affecting the climate of the planet.
These guys have bought into the fascist propaganda that man influenced climate change is a hoax. These kids are complicit in the advancement of Cap and Fraud policies in the place of real regulation such as a carbon tax.
It's the polluting corporations, not the country or the people, that would being paying the tax. Furthermore taxing them retroactively wouldn't really be economically feasible nor constitutionally legal.
Taxing all future pollution however would greatly benefit the people and the country as it would be a good source of revenue from the government possibly allowing them to lower taxes on workers. Also it would help push policy towards renewable energy sources and away from fossil fuels.
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You are a wishful thinker IMO. How dare you say that corporations will end up paying the bill when we see governments bailing out corporations with tax money, and these corporations you say will pay, don't they usually pass on the taxes as costs down to the final products? People in your political boat usually go for public health care systems as well, who will pay for that? At the end of the day, you still believe they will lower taxes on the workers while expanding governments as they have? :O
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finally the real news comes threw with a good report...i guess the threat of loosing donations got the ball rolling. good job real news, better late than never....
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Scientists NEVER EVER throw out thier data. No matter how Mr Monbriot (who by they way has a book and 20 yrs in the game) spins this, tossing their data says it all. When he spins what they really 'meant' - is the same game playing. We can read what they wrote. Q.E.D.
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You guys just don't get it! The world, (ie; the people) has lost confidence in their governments, their leaders, their politicians, economists, financial advisers, bankers, preachers, pastors, rabbi's, priest's, teachers and sometimes even spouses! And now WE are loosing the confidence we should be able to have in SCIENCE! It is the SCIENTIST's that should "TAKE" the honorable position in this matter to RESTORE the world's CONFIDENCE in the SCIENTISTS! GET IT?
Monbiot's take on this should be taken very, very seriously. It goes much further than this interview portraits...because he is NOT defending the e-mails...this interview somewhat distorts his point of view...
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The ultimate consequence will not only be our tax money flying away, poor nations will sell their carbon credits to support their own corrupt governments (easy money, everyone is happy!), leaving the poorest of the poor to continue starving to death.
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1- Wow nice whitewashing job.. impressive.
5 star propaganda folks, get your tax dollars (euros, etc..) ready, the tax men are coming, they have kids to feed, the "scientists" kids to feed and politicians kids to feed and they are not the bread and butter type...
I have mixed feelings about Friedman because he "sold out" certain values thru acts of negotiation that should have not been conceded. Either we stick to our ideals peacefully and thru reason and try to make the logic they sustain an integral part of public opinion, or little by little we shall lose our Liberty to parasites who would like to live off other peoples productive work. An example of a man who is consistent in his actions is IMO Ron Paul.
What makes you think Ron Paul's position is so different?
"To the extent property rights are strictly enforced against those who would pollute the land or air of another, the costs of any environmental harm associated with an energy source would be imposed upon the producer of that energy source, and, in so doing, the cheap sources that pollute are not so cheap anymore."
What really is burning is the last portions of fossil fuels that will be available to our species. Finis. (techno) Game Over. Compared to assumed prior global warming periods this fossil fuel finitude is more of an immediate threat since rampant use of energy is not only correlated but required for complex civilization.
Good thing we have our own personal fusion reactor to rely on, that produces orders of magnitude more energy each year, then the total reserves of all other sources of energy combined.
greyfalcon. net/ solarenergy.png
greyfalcon. net/ solarbaseload
With the except of a bunch of rocks kept piping hot by radioactive decay. Which is also orders of magnitude more annual energy than our total reserves.
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Even the alternate news will never admit, It was wrong. Real News is taking the wrong stance on this.
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Hey RealNews! How about downloading and reading the emails yourself? The real info is in the code and spreadsheets. Their is obvious fraud here and people should go to prison for discrediting other real scientists.
The catch being that Monbiot doesn't claim to be an "expert" of the issue. Instead citing peer reviewed physical science sources. Leaving the actual science to the people with relevant credentials.
Bellamy on the other hand, cites the scientific equivalent of tabloids, and his own personal opinion. Trying to make himself out to be an "expert" when he's not.
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Well if you pay weathermen million pound salaries, they will get all esteemed up & tell you anything you want to hear.
Like al gore the climate marketing guru.
Peer review..hehe
From the CRU data set 'HARRY READ ME txt'
From Phil Jones To: Michael Mann (Pennsylvania State University). July 8, 2004
"I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow — even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!"
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* The file pl_decline pro the code reduces temperatures in the 1930s and then adding a parabola to the 1990s. I don't think you need me to tell you what this means.
CRU searchable database of the leaked info at wattsupwiththat eastangliaemails.
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From the CRU data set 'HARRY READ ME txt'
From Phil Jones To: Michael Mann (Pennsylvania State University). July 8, 2004
"I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow — even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!"
CRU searchable database of the leaked info at eastangliaemails.
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From the CRU data set 'HARRY READ ME txt'
OH **** THIS. It's Sunday evening, I've worked all weekend, and just when I thought it was done I'm hitting yet another problem that's based on the hopeless state of our databases. There is no uniform data integrity, it's just a catalogue of issues that continues to grow as they're found.
CRU searchable database of the leaked info at wattsupwiththat eastangliaemails
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George Monbiot: Emails do not disprove climate change science, but suppressing skeptics is unacceptable
EricIndiana: No, the Emails do not disprove climate change science, the lack in rise of global temperature for the last 10 years does.
We are not denying Global temperatures rise and fall. You want to theorize that the hockey stick represents the Industrial Age, fine... I say us moving out of the Little Ice Age sue to a spike in sunspot activity after a period of inactivity.
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I am not talking about El Nino.
El Nino has next to nothing to do with the conversation.
Dont bring up El Nino and ignore the Little Ice Age.
What caused that? Lack of carbon emissions???
Do not ignore the importance of Sunspot activity in Global Temperatures. If Global Warming were a car, the sun would be the engine and the fuel would be sunspot activity.
Man Made Carbon Dioxide would be a lug nut on the rear back tire. Sure it contributes to the overall vehicle, but not really that much.
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most of al gores facts have been proven wrong a hundred different ways. i dont understand why people want it to be man made warming? its very clear that the sun is the main driver in global temp. the temp on mars is rising aswell please dont tell me its us doing that to mars too
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How is the sun irrelevant?
A lack of sunspot activity caused the Little Ice Age.
A sudden resurgence in sunspot activity spiked global temperatures known as the hockey stick effect. But it was just coincidence we were having our Industrial Revolution.
Climate scientists were fudging data to bolster their claims and ignoring important data that contradicted those claims.
And not only did they ignore it, they omit it from reports and ridicule the man-made skeptics, when they are the ones wrong.
It's irrelevant because the sun does what it does while GH gasses do what they do and the only matter of importance is the latter. Temperature charts of the past are irrelevant to the discussion. The chemistry of what is happening is not in dispute, that GH gasses add to the mean temperature is not in dispute. That the sun is the main determinant of mean temperature is not in dispute. Since it is not in dispute, it's irrelevant.
@bauxi07 so man made pollutants are not any part of the problem and we should go on as business as usual? its all a myth all that coal and oil that gets burned all that methane is no problem at all? isn't polluting? and we are entering a cooling phase that somehow also is melting the polar and sub-polar ice caps? the fact that you called it "global warming" is a clue unless you did not get the memo its been re branded "Global Climate change" which is a more accurate descriptor
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I always find it disturbing when someone try and justify something by comparing it against something else... -"... is as solid as the science of evolution...". Very disturbing!
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CO2 isn't even the biggest greenhouse gas Water Vapour is. CO2 makes up only 0.05% of our atmosphere. CO2 doesn't drive temperatures. It the other way round all real graphs show increased temps lead to increased CO2. CO2 increases leads to plants growing faster, releasing more oxygen, restoring balance of nature in the natural cycle. Hence life (which all is carbon based) still exists after billions of years of CO2 being emitted from volcanoes. I believe in free energy 4 all. RIP Nikola Tesla.
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nice one why dont u go and check out free energy devices and the massive cover up to stop you having free energy if u want to stop all the CO2 man made global warming coz their stupid solutions like growing biofuels instead of food will just starve more people in the poorest parts of the world.
The "solution" is not to needlessly waste power. Which oddly enough is what wealthy and influential power and oil companies don't want, hence the fabricated crap that they paid for and you repeat.
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r u aware of Al Gore and his relationship with Occidental Petroleum. U should look it up there is some very interesting information I'm sure u would like to b made aware of.
I live in Europe too. Gore has hijacked this movement lied, exaggerated claims and beyond belief fear mongering discrediting the man made global warming. Obviously you just ignore all the facts I state and tried to help you see thru this massive con by the elite how they control their opposition thru environmentalist movements. you see the elite like to control both sides like in politics. But if u can't see it or want to continue to turn a blind eye to it it's up to you.
I think it would be better if The REal News shied away from experts like Ball with a vested interest in what people believe. Ball's organizations are on the payroll of oil and gas companies. Don't we want reputable sources?
@loai050 No, Tim Ball does not have a PhD in climatology from the University of London in 1983 (Climatology wasn't even offered by the University of London in 1983) He got one in Geography, that year. Which is something I guess. But not in Climatology. tinyurl (dot) com/yug5zc And if you're looking as wikipedia. First off, the "source" for saying he does have a PhD in climatology is a fossil industry frontgroup called NRSP. tinyurl (dot) com/yzm7sc4 Second off, the "source" link is dead.
Realnews is not unbiased. THey call it real news because they think they're right. I've read Monbiot's book, and I trust no one's analysis of the climate change data than his.
Everyone wants the news say what they what, regardless of what's true or fabricated. So in actuality, most people have to be swayed towards the truth as much as they need to be swayed towards a lie.
So neutral skepticism is the best choice here, don't believe in anything unless it fits with your understanding of things. It's hard, though, because you constantly have to keep up to date on material. That's way most people believe things at face value, are gullible.
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I have un-subscribed. Very dissapointed that they only had commentators from one side of the climate change argument i.e. pro man made climate change.
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Getting unbiased reports from someone with a book out on global warming is just as useless as getting reports from a scientist working for a fossil fuel corp.
Where is my check from the fossil fuel industry for not believing the warming crap? it would come in handy for my energy bill.
david222444 8 months ago
Corrupted data means you cannot trust any climate model prediction. A corrupted upward graph should infact be a downward temperature trend.
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i acknowledge climate change as an absolute fact, wether or not its caused by man is completely up for debate. but what monbiot is saying is 100% correct, theres no reason a scientist; or group of scientist in this case, should ever want to hide their research from the public. what possibly could have been they're reasoning for doing this? the only conclusion i can find is it did not correlate their other research. if it had, would it not have been readily avalible with all their other findings?
blumpkillyinz 1 year ago
Monbiot is sexy.
RightRocks 1 year ago
This is a religion, it won't matter what you say against it.
Vlaxitov 1 year ago
Okay, let´s say monbiot is right on this "hide the decline"-thing, but what about the cooling trends. The temperature is still falling globally, so we have still being lied to...
alienspacecentereast 1 year ago 7
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@alienspacecentereast
No temperatures are rising. Science says temperatures in the lower troposphere have increased between 0.13 and 0.22 °C (0.22 and 0.4 °F) per decade since 1979, and it is 90% certain that this caused by increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases resulting from human activity such as fossil fuel burning and deforestation.
74DrJB 1 year ago
@alienspacecentereast Really?
kellygiz 1 year ago
What are the climate scientists doing trying to manage the information that reaches the public?
But more to the point, what are the denialists doing hacking into legitimate, scientific organization's private online conversations? If it were a government performing this kind of intrusive surveillance, then it would be percieved as a terrific encroachment on human rights.
sanctumtheatre 2 years ago
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Tee hee hee George.
No mention of the hockey stick?
You used to rave about it.
What happened to it?
TroyaE117 2 years ago
monbiot is right
aerobique 2 years ago 27
@aerobique Sadly he like other communists have indeed been lying in order to raise taxes and ruin peoples lives. The record unemployment in Europe is the result of these stupid and cruel tax rises.
warriorprince1010 1 year ago
@warriorprince1010
communists? taxes? hello? science? mass extinction? venus?
aerobique 1 year ago
Last time I checked George Monbiot studied Zoology at university - why is he commenting on the climate science.
Shouldn't we be finding out from climate scientists what is going on?
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Lol Check Monbiot out on the munkdebates from Canada he gets totally ripped for peddling his fake science. Monbiot you are a lying fraud, and a journalist not a scientist. People dont believe a word you say your a nob
ager74 2 years ago
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Whatever your stance on global warming, of even greater concern to me is that we are witnessing media censorship in action - institutional and collusive censorship. This includes George's paper, The Guardian.
Not matter what your stance on AGW, don't you also value your freedom equally? Isn't that an inalienable right for us all? God help us, because I have learned over the past week that the mainstream media is controlled, and it is only a matter of time before the Internet is too.
ClimateFraud 2 years ago
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"Climate fraud" I agree with everything you said: But I put this question forth to you
Do you think people will ever stand up to increasingly tyrannical western governments before its too late ?
Everything the NWO conspiracy theorists said would happen is happening It didnt surprise me that what seemed like the news story of the year (Climate Gate )barely made the evening news:
If our governments now insist on selling us out , then surely we have no further obligation to obey them:
HoustonRocket101 2 years ago
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uderstandable
hacktik101 2 years ago
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Why not tackle non-human sources of climate change?
kmarinas86 2 years ago 6
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I am loving the harried race to thumbs down all the comments from those who are for truth and against the lies.
The cat is out of the bag, the truth is known, the lies exposed and the conspiracy to usher in a global government of tyranny and oppression has been dealt a lethal blow
No amount of damage control can make the people of the world continue believing the charade of lies on "global warming".
The ruse is laid bare for all to see and any shred of credibility for Gore's minions is gone
DanOblacksmith 2 years ago
in science you dont decide stuff like that...its ever evolving - there is no point where we say "thats it, we got it, move on " lol
restlys 2 years ago 7
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lol@ the comments marked down, lots of trolls here, we can clearly see that climate change is a natural occurrence called precession of the equinox and the people marking comments down I see are mainstream news fed baby's.
Jargin9112 2 years ago
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I believe I am like most people on this planet in the belief that working to improve our enviroment and limit pollution is a good thing and I want to do what I can to be a part of that.
Therein was to be found the easy sell for these disingenuous "scientists" to foist their lies upon the world and decieve everyone for their own gains.
Scientists are geeks, boring and on the fringe of society but then along comes the NWO banksters to uplift them to rockstar status, wine & dine them and (cont-)
DanOblacksmith 2 years ago
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give them unlimited millions upon millions to fund their "research". What scientist is going to give this up? Of course they are continuing the lies inspite of the world now knowing the facts by these emails.
They want the fame, the prestige, the money, the tenure, they want a building named after them on their campus, they want to be published as the greatest minds of the day WHORES !!!
Give it up you fools, WE ALL KNOW THE TRUTH AND YOUR LIES WILL NOT STAND !!!
People- 1
NWO- 0
Fail !!!
DanOblacksmith 2 years ago
@DanOblacksmith
There are far more serious issues than _resisting_ to get our society to use less oil. Even if climat change is all a hoax or the result of some natural process, the oil fiels will not get bigger over night (exept in official numbers of opec states of course..)
argh523 2 years ago 22
you think people that are in the denial industry are not after the fame, money, tenure, building named after them either? if scientists on the climate change side are guilty of all those sins.....hate to break it to you but scientists against it probably are to.
restlys 2 years ago 5
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I will venture to say that the 30,000+ scientist presently and for quite some time now vociferously opposed to the global warming sham have earned their credibility and retained their integrity and honor. They remain true to the spirit of what science truly is -truth- which is something that stands or falls on its own without smoke and mirrors.
If any among them achieves success in his field and gains notoriety I believe it is by applied science and not by applied lies.
DanOblacksmith 2 years ago
gimme one document, one...that would back up your 30 000 claim.
in fact, no. show me documents that talk about any numbers of scientist, independant- if they get their money from the oil industry would not count - that are " against " global warming...even that statement is wrong - in science you are neither for nor against something, the evidence speaks for you.
restlys 2 years ago
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You're speaking of the Oregon Petition spearheaded by chemist Arthur B. Robinson together with physicist Frederick Seitz, who lectured for the Heartland Inst., receiver of funds from Exxon.
Among the 31,000+ signatories are 2,586 MDs and DVMs (what they are supposed to know about climate science is anyone's guess) and 12,714 holders of BS degrees (again, what are they supposed to know?).
EdithPricklyHeat 2 years ago
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Out of the total, only 3,697 were in the fields of atmospheric, environmental or earth sciences, and only 39 of these have a background in climatology - this from the petition's own website.
Among the signatories is Alan Caruba, BA specialising in PR with zero science background. What is he doing on the list?
EdithPricklyHeat 2 years ago
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From Scientific American:
"Scientific American took a random sample of 30 of the 1,400 signatories claiming to hold a Ph.D. in a climate-related science. Of the 26 we were able to identify in various databases, 11 said they still agreed with the petition—one was an active climate researcher, two others had relevant expertise, and eight signed based on an informal evaluation." Con't...
EdithPricklyHeat 2 years ago
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..."Six said they would not sign the petition today, three did not remember any such petition, one had died, and five did not answer repeated messages."
There is no cat and there is no bag.
EdithPricklyHeat 2 years ago
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Give it up you fool.
You are like the incorrigible child caught, hand in cookie jar, face smeared with chocolate and crumbs yet steadfastly denying guilt.
Pathetic.
The world knows the truth now that CLIMATEGATE has indeed let the cat out of the bag.
Yourself and the rest of your ilk are but puss laden boils on the ass of humanity...
DanOblacksmith 2 years ago
Wow, you post about a deeply flawed list (Oregon Petition), which I handily debunk. Then you compare me to a child only to follow that with a comment about "puss laden boils on the ass..."
I'll have to refer people to this when they ask me what projection means.
EdithPricklyHeat 2 years ago
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You continue to NOT live up to your name "TheRealNews". I'm beginning to think your intent on bringing this observation upon you.
How could anyone with a pulse consider you to be the "real" news. That's absolutely correct, they cannot.
JMehrman 2 years ago
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How could these lies possibly be "blown out of proportion"? LIES are LIES!!
Should we ignore the fact that this leading AGW group deliberately HID the DECLINE?!
How could we possibly blow this out of proportion?!
We have been LIED TO for decades!!
JMehrman 2 years ago
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this aint real news....
Probesoul 2 years ago
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Unbelievable. Disgusting nwo Fabian crypto communist liars!
thegreatfearblog 2 years ago
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Ha Ha Ha !!!
These scum are scattering like cockroaches caught in sudden light.
VERMIN.
Fuck the NWO.
Fuck Al Gore and the rest of his whores !!!
DanOblacksmith 2 years ago
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...denial industry... funded by the fossil fuel industries. What a catastrophic nobody. At what point in the foreseeable future are we going to use less fossil fuel? This clown has his own agenda. This is TheUnrealNews
suxxatguitar 2 years ago
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I thought The Real News was smart enough to evolve out of the climate change subject, it's a giant scam, their not alone, but I would never give my hard earned money to a slow news broadcast still afraid of being "a conspiracy theorist" F pansy journalist
alternativehealth101 2 years ago
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watershed11 2 years ago
Look who cashes in on the status quo, you moron. Do you watch videos with no sound?
AnneOnAMoose 2 years ago 6
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You're the moron. Global warming is 100% political and has nothing to do with man changing the climate. It is entirely made up by communists who hate capitalism as they fly around in Gulf Stream jets (Al Gore). You are brain washed.
Dillestman 2 years ago
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historically (going back say 100,000 years), Temperature rise happens 800 years before carbon levels rise. It's getting hotter on Mars at the moment so should we tax the martians too? We could use Hemp for fuel, concrete, we can use Water for Fuel, so why should we pay a tax for something we're not even responsible for like carbon? and we're not causing climate change for god sake! If we had a CHOICE we as the people would most likely all choose the option that is environmentally friendly.
daveho77 2 years ago
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look at that guy sqwerm, its quite clear that the global warming movment has been hijaked
alexkillsdie 2 years ago
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So if that guy in the emails was not "ethic" and should leave ( Phil Jones as the head of [the University of] East Anglia Climate Research Unit.) why not to start a real investigation to bust other "not ethic" scientists??? This guy is full of SH*T i so get pissed off when those guys are trying to INSULT OUR FUCKING INTELLIGENCE and trying to sell us this big convenient fat ass LIE of global warming. TAKE DOWN ALL THESE CROOKS STARTING FOR THE WORST OF THEM ALL: AL is BS GORE
julipj2004 2 years ago
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Please please believe me if you don't I'll loose my funding and have to get a real job. The climate is changing really. BWAAHAAHAHAHA
evoval 2 years ago
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George the apologist, propagandist and dauphin, this is truly sad, you are betraying your profession for your beliefs, i believed that global warming was for real but there is no getting away from the fact these joke scientists LIED. you George, like myself have been betrayed OPEN YOUR EYES.
nxu89 2 years ago
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what about the emails about discrediting, discouraging or simply getting rid of those who oppose the official theory that man caused global warming?
megrifter 2 years ago
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Blown out of proportion? get your head out of your ass. This is bigger than the Watergate tapes. Trillions of dollars are at stake. The economies of the western world are being strangled by you asshats.
FUCK OFF!
theunbubba 2 years ago
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monbiot is a globalist.. don't believe him. of course globalists are disappointed that their new world order plans are FAILING
bob733333 2 years ago
Google: evolution climate change nova. Quote from PBS Nova page:
"Why did leaps in human evolution take place? "First Steps" explores a provocative "big idea" that sharp swings of climate were a key factor."
The prehuman creatures who could not adapt to climate change died off. This is an interesting issue because the people on the right who don't believe in evolution won't know what to make of this, and the liberals who claim the embrace science will have to ignore proof of evolution.
MrXfromPlanetX 2 years ago
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@kingswinnbad - absolutely agree. Climate change is being tackled by suppressing the poor by not only preventing them from progressing technologically but also by starving them by increasing the price of food through the introduction of bio fuels. The powerful do not want to be challenged; they want to keep the poor, poor. Life is sad and this guy sounds annoying and people are liars. Not so 'real news' as regurgitated media.
st8ed 2 years ago
You're right they want to suppress technology that would prevent us from moving away from fossil fuels. As such the corporate interests of the world are investing millions of dollars to convince people that man's influence on climate change is a hoax; notwithstanding the vast amounts of evidence to the contrary. The more people they convince into crying hoax the more powerful they will become.
Wake up people! Don't be fooled by the fascist agenda.
ArcticSlicer 2 years ago 3
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this guy is a fos.
albothor 2 years ago
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Get the full SP.
/watch?v=Cu_ok37HDuE
PikeSdream 2 years ago
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Either they was to use it as a means to control and global government! Al Gore should be arrested for Fraud if there is any justice!
Shaunt1 2 years ago
way to come in with an open mind
ubercomrade 2 years ago
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@Shaunt1 I meant to say want not was.
Shaunt1 2 years ago
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Apparently all the planets in our solar system have been warming,, It's the sun going though hot and cold stages.
This to me is about controlling us more and money.
What should be done is exploring free clean energy because I'm sure it does exist but,, and its a big BUT,,, it doesn't make money.
We do treat the planet badly and need to clean up our act but this isnt the way.
Peace&justice
Lynnskywatch 2 years ago
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The GIStemp data used by the armageddonist limate alarmists.
Quote:
In Japan, no thermometers now record above 300 meters. Japan has no mountains now. For California, where we once had thermometers in the mountain snow and in the far north near Oregon; there are now 4 surviving thermometers near the beach and in the warm south. But GIStemp is sure we can use them as a fine proxy for Mount Shasta with its glaciers and for the snows and ice of Yosemite winters.
Google E.M.Smith Chiefio.
PikeSdream 2 years ago
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Youtube & Google search - Chemtrails, HAARP, Weather-Modification-Vietnam, Energy Weapons.
Watch this series from the Professor.
David Bellamy - Challenging Orthodoxy
/watch?v=Qm1kFY8BpS8
Google or YT search
"Climategate"
CRU searchable database of the leaked info at eastangliaemails
PikeSdream 2 years ago
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REALNEWS = CLIMATE CHANGE WHORES!!
snacional 2 years ago
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I couldn't agree more. I pity anyone that supported them money. It must have added a whole new level to the pain as they realized that their hard earned dollars went to support this kind of warmist propaganda.
Global warming is a massive fraud and "the real news" just sits there stone faced while this goon parrots talking points. Pathetic. I had to turn it off.
I had to turn it off.
FreedomsReigning 2 years ago
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This video is full of inaccuracies. the Real News interviews a published Global Warming author about Climategate. He might, just maybe, have a bias toward the topic, just maybe. Exxon Mobil's CEO Rex W. Tillerson has openly stated he wants to work with Cap N Trade. The carbon credit scheme will create artificial scarcity and increase oil profits. Also, the Earth is in a cooling phase because of the lack of sunspots.
OneADayMusic 2 years ago
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paying taxes on breathing to al gore's offshore bank is the only way to save the planet from imminent disaster 2012 style
xandras1111 2 years ago
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Why don't you tell us about the last few million years this global warming is pure nonsense.
jellybean2626 2 years ago
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Paul Jay sucks dick!!
911truthncDotOrg 2 years ago
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Of course, trust us. It is just to complicated for you idiots to understand.
The talking heads of the noise machine are out in full force on this one!
911truthncDotOrg 2 years ago
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Antarctica had coastal vegetation just 6000 years ago. Mankind survived.
Greenland had no glaciers just 600 years ago. Mankind survived.
Only 0.3 percent of atmospheric co2 can be attributed to human activity. Nature survives.
The climate changes, but curbing co2 emmissions has nothing to do with it.
Demand an Investigation
TheReallitycheck 2 years ago
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When you look into his eyes, you almost feel sorry for the guy. He oozes desperation. He's grasping for any....absolutely any explanation that will convince him to discredit climategate in his mind.
jtom94 2 years ago
It's funny to see all of the comments these videos by wet-behind-the-ears teenagers who think they know everything.
The corporations through their orgy of looting and polluting have gravely disrupted the natural ecosystem of the planet affecting the climate of the planet.
These guys have bought into the fascist propaganda that man influenced climate change is a hoax. These kids are complicit in the advancement of Cap and Fraud policies in the place of real regulation such as a carbon tax.
ArcticSlicer 2 years ago 2
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@ArcticSlicer
Would you be in favor of a carbon tax if your country had to PAY BACK the "CREDIT" used up to develop it's self in the past to be what it is now?
Peace
truefictions 2 years ago
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its..
Please excuse my poor use of the English language. It would be nice if YouTube allowed editing of previous comments.
truefictions 2 years ago
It's the polluting corporations, not the country or the people, that would being paying the tax. Furthermore taxing them retroactively wouldn't really be economically feasible nor constitutionally legal.
Taxing all future pollution however would greatly benefit the people and the country as it would be a good source of revenue from the government possibly allowing them to lower taxes on workers. Also it would help push policy towards renewable energy sources and away from fossil fuels.
ArcticSlicer 2 years ago
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You are a wishful thinker IMO. How dare you say that corporations will end up paying the bill when we see governments bailing out corporations with tax money, and these corporations you say will pay, don't they usually pass on the taxes as costs down to the final products? People in your political boat usually go for public health care systems as well, who will pay for that? At the end of the day, you still believe they will lower taxes on the workers while expanding governments as they have? :O
truefictions 2 years ago
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If I were a betting man, I would bet you are working in a government job or work for a corporation that feeds it's self off tax money.
Would I be wrong in assuming this?
It is none of my business and I don't really care.
Peace & please Google Ron Paul, I used to be very ignorant to these matters as well.
truefictions 2 years ago
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lies, lies more lies.
ashutoshmikku 2 years ago
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finally the real news comes threw with a good report...i guess the threat of loosing donations got the ball rolling. good job real news, better late than never....
blugreenblu 2 years ago
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this guy with the glasses is a liar.
E1ectrotherapy 2 years ago
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Scientists NEVER EVER throw out thier data. No matter how Mr Monbriot (who by they way has a book and 20 yrs in the game) spins this, tossing their data says it all. When he spins what they really 'meant' - is the same game playing. We can read what they wrote. Q.E.D.
mutexnet 2 years ago
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You guys just don't get it! The world, (ie; the people) has lost confidence in their governments, their leaders, their politicians, economists, financial advisers, bankers, preachers, pastors, rabbi's, priest's, teachers and sometimes even spouses! And now WE are loosing the confidence we should be able to have in SCIENCE! It is the SCIENTIST's that should "TAKE" the honorable position in this matter to RESTORE the world's CONFIDENCE in the SCIENTISTS! GET IT?
TonyEEBaker 2 years ago
Monbiot's take on this should be taken very, very seriously. It goes much further than this interview portraits...because he is NOT defending the e-mails...this interview somewhat distorts his point of view...
55ella2007k 2 years ago 3
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2-
The ultimate consequence will not only be our tax money flying away, poor nations will sell their carbon credits to support their own corrupt governments (easy money, everyone is happy!), leaving the poorest of the poor to continue starving to death.
Socialism works out, just not for everyone.
Peace
truefictions 2 years ago
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1- Wow nice whitewashing job.. impressive.
5 star propaganda folks, get your tax dollars (euros, etc..) ready, the tax men are coming, they have kids to feed, the "scientists" kids to feed and politicians kids to feed and they are not the bread and butter type...
truefictions 2 years ago
@truefictions
Are you familiar with Milton Friedman?
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greyflcn 2 years ago
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@greyflcn
Yes I am familiar with him.
I have mixed feelings about Friedman because he "sold out" certain values thru acts of negotiation that should have not been conceded. Either we stick to our ideals peacefully and thru reason and try to make the logic they sustain an integral part of public opinion, or little by little we shall lose our Liberty to parasites who would like to live off other peoples productive work. An example of a man who is consistent in his actions is IMO Ron Paul.
Peace
truefictions 2 years ago
@truefictions
What makes you think Ron Paul's position is so different?
"To the extent property rights are strictly enforced against those who would pollute the land or air of another, the costs of any environmental harm associated with an energy source would be imposed upon the producer of that energy source, and, in so doing, the cheap sources that pollute are not so cheap anymore."
greyflcn 2 years ago
What really is burning is the last portions of fossil fuels that will be available to our species. Finis. (techno) Game Over. Compared to assumed prior global warming periods this fossil fuel finitude is more of an immediate threat since rampant use of energy is not only correlated but required for complex civilization.
fossilman2 2 years ago
@fossilman2
Good thing we have our own personal fusion reactor to rely on, that produces orders of magnitude more energy each year, then the total reserves of all other sources of energy combined.
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With the except of a bunch of rocks kept piping hot by radioactive decay. Which is also orders of magnitude more annual energy than our total reserves.
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greyflcn 2 years ago
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Even the alternate news will never admit, It was wrong. Real News is taking the wrong stance on this.
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Hey RealNews! How about downloading and reading the emails yourself? The real info is in the code and spreadsheets. Their is obvious fraud here and people should go to prison for discrediting other real scientists.
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Google FOI2009.zip or FOIA2009.zip
h82sk8 2 years ago
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Listen to this tosser trying to save his own arse
door32 2 years ago
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Watch this series from the Professor.
David Bellamy - Challenging Orthodoxy
/watch?v=Qm1kFY8BpS8
Google or YT search
"Climategate"
Youtube & Google search - Chemtrails, HAARP, Weather-Modification-Vietnam, Energy Weapons.
PikeSdream 2 years ago
re: PikeSdream
You do realize that Bellamy is a botanist, right?
greyflcn 2 years ago 2
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Did you watch the video series?
Just be objective.
PikeSdream 2 years ago
@PikeSdream
Fine enough, I'll watch it.
However just from the title it sounds like it's going to be the usual non-scientific rhetoric.
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greyflcn 2 years ago
@PikeSdream
Kinda painful listening to his rambling. Stopped a few minutes in. (Which is scary since it seems like he goes on for hours in the other segments)
Mind if I just save us both the hassle and point out the David Bellamy bluntly says he doesn't care about science anymore?
tinyurl (dot) com/ydytvqn
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greyflcn 2 years ago 2
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hehe he is referring to warmist alarmists.
Not scientific? He hold numerous degrees.
He is an interesting clever bloke & an environmentalist conservationist not a fascist.
PikeSdream 2 years ago
@PikeSdream
In Botany.
I'm pretty sure you wouldn't trust him to perform brain surgery either.
Since despite the fact that he's a "clever bloke" it's outside of his background.
Nobody is an expert on everything.
greyflcn 2 years ago 3
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Did you read the link I sent?
Do you support 'Agenda 21' & 'Global Governance'?
PikeSdream 2 years ago
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Monbiot is not a climatologist, he is a 'journalist'.
Neither is al gore.
PikeSdream 2 years ago
@PikeSdream
I agree.
The catch being that Monbiot doesn't claim to be an "expert" of the issue. Instead citing peer reviewed physical science sources. Leaving the actual science to the people with relevant credentials.
Bellamy on the other hand, cites the scientific equivalent of tabloids, and his own personal opinion. Trying to make himself out to be an "expert" when he's not.
greyflcn 2 years ago 3
@PikeSdream
Wait back up a second.
Bellamy said:
"peer-reviewed journals - it's the last thing I would use now."
Are you saying in full context, that would somehow have a different meaning.
greyflcn 2 years ago 2
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He knows about the politicised, monetised 'science' of climatology, probably aboit the CRU shenanigans also.
He has been ostracized for years, for not 'towing the party line'.
PikeSdream 2 years ago
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If monbiot is 'quoting' tainted peer reviews & data how does this qualify him?
Bellamy is adequately qualified to comment on CO2 & its effect on the 'Lungs of the planet' ie. trees etc.
Bellamy is eminently more qualified than a tabloid 'writer'.
PikeSdream 2 years ago
@PikeSdream
Well if Peer Review isn't good enough for you.
Then what is?
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And how the hell is "Lungs of the planet" a quantifiable matter of science here?
We got 1/3rd more carbon in the atmosphere now, than in the past 800,000 years.
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And we know it's fossil carbon, given it's deficiency of C14 isotope.
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That shit ain't "natural".
greyflcn 2 years ago 2
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1/3rd more you say.
You know it is fossils carbon?
maybe you should let Mr trenberth know.
From: Kevin Trenberth (US National Center for Atmospheric Research). To: Michael Mann. Oct 12, 2009
"The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't... Our observing system is inadequate"
CRU searchable database of the leaked info at eastangliaemails
PikeSdream 2 years ago
@PikeSdream
Or how about I reinterpret.
"He's a botanist, he knows about trees! Therefore he's equally qualified as astrophysists on matters of atmospheric chemistry!!"
No he's fucking not.
Seriously WTF.
greyflcn 2 years ago 3
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Well if you pay weathermen million pound salaries, they will get all esteemed up & tell you anything you want to hear.
Like al gore the climate marketing guru.
Peer review..hehe
From the CRU data set 'HARRY READ ME txt'
From Phil Jones To: Michael Mann (Pennsylvania State University). July 8, 2004
"I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow — even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!"
eastangliaemails.
PikeSdream 2 years ago
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* The file pl_decline pro the code reduces temperatures in the 1930s and then adding a parabola to the 1990s. I don't think you need me to tell you what this means.
CRU searchable database of the leaked info at wattsupwiththat eastangliaemails.
PikeSdream 2 years ago
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* A file called resid-fudge dat, which he says contains, believe it or not, fudged residuals figures!
* "Apply a VERY ARTIFICAL correction for decline!! followed by the words `fudge factor' " See briffa_sep98_d pro
CRU searchable database of the leaked info at wattsupwiththat eastangliaemails.
PikeSdream 2 years ago
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From: Kevin Trenberth (US National Center for Atmospheric Research). To: Michael Mann. Oct 12, 2009
"The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't... Our observing system is inadequate"
CRU searchable database of the leaked info at eastangliaemails.
East Anglia university Climate data leaked man made climate change a Fraud
PikeSdream 2 years ago
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the real news is owned by al gore.
Javamann1 2 years ago
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From the CRU data set 'HARRY READ ME txt'
From Phil Jones To: Michael Mann (Pennsylvania State University). July 8, 2004
"I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow — even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!"
CRU searchable database of the leaked info at eastangliaemails.
PikeSdream 2 years ago
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From the CRU data set 'HARRY READ ME txt'
OH **** THIS. It's Sunday evening, I've worked all weekend, and just when I thought it was done I'm hitting yet another problem that's based on the hopeless state of our databases. There is no uniform data integrity, it's just a catalogue of issues that continues to grow as they're found.
CRU searchable database of the leaked info at wattsupwiththat eastangliaemails
PikeSdream 2 years ago
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MessaicComic 2 years ago
good video
sonicsuns 2 years ago
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George Monbiot: Emails do not disprove climate change science, but suppressing skeptics is unacceptable
EricIndiana: No, the Emails do not disprove climate change science, the lack in rise of global temperature for the last 10 years does.
We are not denying Global temperatures rise and fall. You want to theorize that the hockey stick represents the Industrial Age, fine... I say us moving out of the Little Ice Age sue to a spike in sunspot activity after a period of inactivity.
EricIndiana 2 years ago
@EricIndiana
No the just proves you're ignorantly trying to connect two strong El Nino events together in a "trend".
Despite the fact these two punctuated events only lasted for a few months at a time.
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As for the rest of it, looks like you're using non-scientific argument #28
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greyflcn 2 years ago 3
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I am not talking about El Nino.
El Nino has next to nothing to do with the conversation.
Dont bring up El Nino and ignore the Little Ice Age.
What caused that? Lack of carbon emissions???
Do not ignore the importance of Sunspot activity in Global Temperatures. If Global Warming were a car, the sun would be the engine and the fuel would be sunspot activity.
Man Made Carbon Dioxide would be a lug nut on the rear back tire. Sure it contributes to the overall vehicle, but not really that much.
EricIndiana 2 years ago
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al gore owens the real news.
Javamann1 2 years ago
proof?
smokydave 2 years ago
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most of al gores facts have been proven wrong a hundred different ways. i dont understand why people want it to be man made warming? its very clear that the sun is the main driver in global temp. the temp on mars is rising aswell please dont tell me its us doing that to mars too
onlyMTBlade 2 years ago
@onlyMTBlade
Hate to burst your bubble there but the sun can't explain warming, when it's on a downward trend.
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And they already figured out the mars thing years ago. The planet wide dust storms causing it practically killed the mars rover.
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greyflcn 2 years ago 3
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Hate to burst your bubble but you really need to investigate sunspots and solar winds as being the driving forces behind our Global atmosphere.
EricIndiana 2 years ago
"its very clear that the sun is the main driver in global temp." True, but entirely irrelevant.
DynaCatlovesme 2 years ago
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How is the sun irrelevant?
A lack of sunspot activity caused the Little Ice Age.
A sudden resurgence in sunspot activity spiked global temperatures known as the hockey stick effect. But it was just coincidence we were having our Industrial Revolution.
Climate scientists were fudging data to bolster their claims and ignoring important data that contradicted those claims.
And not only did they ignore it, they omit it from reports and ridicule the man-made skeptics, when they are the ones wrong.
EricIndiana 2 years ago
@EricIndiana
Well it's not so much that natural factors are irrelevant.
It's more to do with the fact that natural factors by themselves don't explain what's going on.
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greyflcn 2 years ago
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You are treating the sun as if it were just a peon in the equation.
We humans do not even contribute but a fraction of what the Earth does in CO2.
Dying leaves causes more than we do.
Volcanoes do too, and so do the oceans releasing it. We contribute such a tiny fraction that it is what should be considered irrelevant, not the sun.
The sun has more to do with Global Warming than our Planet by far, and the Planet has more to do with CO2 than man by far.
But you all refuse to hear any of that.
EricIndiana 2 years ago
@EricIndiana
Would you please quit with the tired strawman arguments.
greyfalcon. net/ carbon2
And given your volcanoes argument, now I know where you got your information from.
Would you care for the short, or the long style debunk?
greyfalcon. net/ swindle3
greyfalcon. net/ swindle
greyflcn 2 years ago 2
can you point me to the evidance please
1974mjc 2 years ago
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Search for a video here on Youtube called The Global Warming CO2 Scam.
EricIndiana 2 years ago
It's irrelevant because the sun does what it does while GH gasses do what they do and the only matter of importance is the latter. Temperature charts of the past are irrelevant to the discussion. The chemistry of what is happening is not in dispute, that GH gasses add to the mean temperature is not in dispute. That the sun is the main determinant of mean temperature is not in dispute. Since it is not in dispute, it's irrelevant.
DynaCatlovesme 2 years ago
@bauxi07 so man made pollutants are not any part of the problem and we should go on as business as usual? its all a myth all that coal and oil that gets burned all that methane is no problem at all? isn't polluting? and we are entering a cooling phase that somehow also is melting the polar and sub-polar ice caps? the fact that you called it "global warming" is a clue unless you did not get the memo its been re branded "Global Climate change" which is a more accurate descriptor
phoboskitty 2 years ago
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I always find it disturbing when someone try and justify something by comparing it against something else... -"... is as solid as the science of evolution...". Very disturbing!
Iamfatbrain 2 years ago
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Al Gore Confronted on Climategate in Chicago!!
watch?v=AwkR3uuZMIM
biometricsislavery 2 years ago
A likely psychotic nutcase screaming nonsence babble at the top of his lungs and being rightfully removed!
DynaCatlovesme 2 years ago 3
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does any sane person believe in man made global warming ?
StephinRazin 2 years ago
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Google ' global warming or globalisation', to see plenty of point by point rebuttal of the IPCC's 'facts'.
loai050 2 years ago
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CO2 isn't even the biggest greenhouse gas Water Vapour is. CO2 makes up only 0.05% of our atmosphere. CO2 doesn't drive temperatures. It the other way round all real graphs show increased temps lead to increased CO2. CO2 increases leads to plants growing faster, releasing more oxygen, restoring balance of nature in the natural cycle. Hence life (which all is carbon based) still exists after billions of years of CO2 being emitted from volcanoes. I believe in free energy 4 all. RIP Nikola Tesla.
kingswinnbad 2 years ago
Wow. You just cited every piece of climate change denialist bullshit and still came in under the character limit.
I'm impressed.
arfived4 2 years ago 2
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nice one why dont u go and check out free energy devices and the massive cover up to stop you having free energy if u want to stop all the CO2 man made global warming coz their stupid solutions like growing biofuels instead of food will just starve more people in the poorest parts of the world.
kingswinnbad 2 years ago
The "solution" is not to needlessly waste power. Which oddly enough is what wealthy and influential power and oil companies don't want, hence the fabricated crap that they paid for and you repeat.
arfived4 2 years ago 2
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kingswinnbad 2 years ago
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r u aware of Al Gore and his relationship with Occidental Petroleum. U should look it up there is some very interesting information I'm sure u would like to b made aware of.
kingswinnbad 2 years ago
This didn't begin, nor will it end, with al gore. I live in europe, and we've been aware of this problem since long before his little "revelation".
arfived4 2 years ago
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I live in Europe too. Gore has hijacked this movement lied, exaggerated claims and beyond belief fear mongering discrediting the man made global warming. Obviously you just ignore all the facts I state and tried to help you see thru this massive con by the elite how they control their opposition thru environmentalist movements. you see the elite like to control both sides like in politics. But if u can't see it or want to continue to turn a blind eye to it it's up to you.
kingswinnbad 2 years ago
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u know he has an unbiased opinion when he's got the copenhagen poster behind him and an alarmist book he wants to sell.
bring in Mcintyre if you want an opposing view.
smokydave 2 years ago
Incidentally, McIntrye is a statistician. Not a scientist.
And whenever he gets involved in science issues, he has this weird habit of making up his own personal version of physics.
greyflcn 2 years ago 3
Thank you for showing this interview
docakh 2 years ago
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Mr Jay, interview someone like Dr Tim Ball who can speak for the ' nay sayers'.
A good interview, notice how people start to stammer when they are not telling the truth.
loai050 2 years ago
I think it would be better if The REal News shied away from experts like Ball with a vested interest in what people believe. Ball's organizations are on the payroll of oil and gas companies. Don't we want reputable sources?
bennymcfarlane 2 years ago 2
Tim Ball isn't a climate scientist. He's a geologist.
greyflcn 2 years ago 2
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Tin Ball had a phD in climatology from the University of London. The oil companies are now grouping with the carbon taxers.
loai050 2 years ago
greyflcn 2 years ago 2
Realnews is not unbiased. THey call it real news because they think they're right. I've read Monbiot's book, and I trust no one's analysis of the climate change data than his.
bennymcfarlane 2 years ago
*more than his
bennymcfarlane 2 years ago
as we can see- most so called "thruthers" are not interested in real truth. But thats not new.
thank you real news
aerobique 2 years ago
Everyone wants the news say what they what, regardless of what's true or fabricated. So in actuality, most people have to be swayed towards the truth as much as they need to be swayed towards a lie.
So neutral skepticism is the best choice here, don't believe in anything unless it fits with your understanding of things. It's hard, though, because you constantly have to keep up to date on material. That's way most people believe things at face value, are gullible.
ajr5086 2 years ago
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I have un-subscribed. Very dissapointed that they only had commentators from one side of the climate change argument i.e. pro man made climate change.
This is not real un-biased news.
wolfh1045 2 years ago
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Getting unbiased reports from someone with a book out on global warming is just as useless as getting reports from a scientist working for a fossil fuel corp.
sirellyn 2 years ago