@Jaahaah That is generally a bad bet. It is a low probability doing anything really useful while wasting a tempo. While the shield is being bashed the shieldman's other arms is delivering a precise shot to an open area. Did it happen... sure... but its a peasant move. In sword combat good advice is to "Fight the Man... Not his Weapon".
@leeham991 The Viking or Saxon center boss shield absorbs more force because it gives. The Hoplite shield the hoplon strapped to the arms actually transfers more force to the arm meaning a greater chance of damaging the arm why do you think the had 4 springs behind it on Samurai vs. Spartan on DW when they tested it . The Viking shield was held in place with metal brace which it is not it would be held by a center boss and would give absorbing force protecting the arm.
I'd always seen the spreading force of the shield made the hoplong shield better for line combat, as the large size and the strength even out the pressure to the whole line and reflect just about any blow, especially the spears used at the time.
Also in case nobody else says it I will: Deadliest Warrior is a joke. I think it's aimed mostly at 12 year old boys. I'd say it's definitely right down at 1 or 2 on the education scale.
@Jaahaah Yes you got this idea breaking the arm from Deadliest Warrior .Deadliest Warrior is not a historically accurate program nor or their test scientific or done correctly it is a scripted entertainment program.
Check out my Videos here on youtube We test your theory against a weaker version of the shields outlined here with center boss we tried every thing to break the arm under it to no avail. Why because it is held by a center boss wile you were trying to hit shield you would be cut down.
@Jaahaah This is untrue the center boss shield is held in the hand in 9th century these shields here are center boss they are testing here. look this up on youtube :P
Deadliest Warrior : Thrand Test Kanabo(Tetsubo) Against Viking Shield
Prior to this testing there was a lot of debate among people as to how light viking shields were. Many people have misinterpreted sources and concluded that viking shields were under 4 lbs. The video proves exactly what you said, that such shields would be useless.
@JonathanBloggs lighter and stronger is the better shield in the 9th century shield were better than lets say a Greek hoplon why because they were more maneuverable and light strong and could be used in single combat far better than the hoplon Greek shield which was too heavy and only protected the left side in single combat.
Is there anywhere I can see the whole episode?? I was one of the volunteers in the shield wall and would love to watch this again - bring back some great memories
I was asked about the "cheese glue" adhesive ingredients. It seems to be Theophilus Presbyter (approx. 1070-1125). He was a Benedictine monk in case anyone wants to research further.
I want to talk to this shield maker.
TheRebelEye 3 months ago
interesting how simple rawhide so radically changes the shield
44Centurion 8 months ago
Was that throwing axe a Francisca?
TheWizzooo 1 year ago
@TheWizzooo yes
CaptainPeenNoPants 1 year ago
@TheWizzooo yes that is throwing axe used by franks and Vikings.
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
That shield maker guy is slightly mental. Look at his eyes... 0-0
I wish my friends were that brilliant :<
xD
leeham991 1 year ago
Punishment shield can take is not the only factor, you can still cause blunt damage to the arm holding the shield without breaking it
Jaahaah 1 year ago
@Jaahaah That is generally a bad bet. It is a low probability doing anything really useful while wasting a tempo. While the shield is being bashed the shieldman's other arms is delivering a precise shot to an open area. Did it happen... sure... but its a peasant move. In sword combat good advice is to "Fight the Man... Not his Weapon".
tsafa1 1 year ago 2
@Jaahaah
Unless you hold the shield on a locked arm or in the old Hoplite style it will generally work to protect you from blunt force.
leeham991 1 year ago
@leeham991 The Viking or Saxon center boss shield absorbs more force because it gives. The Hoplite shield the hoplon strapped to the arms actually transfers more force to the arm meaning a greater chance of damaging the arm why do you think the had 4 springs behind it on Samurai vs. Spartan on DW when they tested it . The Viking shield was held in place with metal brace which it is not it would be held by a center boss and would give absorbing force protecting the arm.
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
@ThegnThrand
I'd always seen the spreading force of the shield made the hoplong shield better for line combat, as the large size and the strength even out the pressure to the whole line and reflect just about any blow, especially the spears used at the time.
Also in case nobody else says it I will: Deadliest Warrior is a joke. I think it's aimed mostly at 12 year old boys. I'd say it's definitely right down at 1 or 2 on the education scale.
leeham991 1 year ago
@Jaahaah Yes you got this idea breaking the arm from Deadliest Warrior .Deadliest Warrior is not a historically accurate program nor or their test scientific or done correctly it is a scripted entertainment program.
Check out my Videos here on youtube We test your theory against a weaker version of the shields outlined here with center boss we tried every thing to break the arm under it to no avail. Why because it is held by a center boss wile you were trying to hit shield you would be cut down.
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
@Jaahaah This is untrue the center boss shield is held in the hand in 9th century these shields here are center boss they are testing here. look this up on youtube :P
Deadliest Warrior : Thrand Test Kanabo(Tetsubo) Against Viking Shield
/watch?v=Gs3mHyqS3Wk
ThegnThrand 10 months ago
@Jaahaah It's not possible, cause historic shields had a single hold in the middle, not double stripes shown so often in movies and games.
Oskareczekeczek 8 months ago
great video
etelonlongbows 1 year ago
The first shield is quite crappy. I dont even see the point of testing it. Without leather/rawhide a shield is worthless
amadeus987 2 years ago
Prior to this testing there was a lot of debate among people as to how light viking shields were. Many people have misinterpreted sources and concluded that viking shields were under 4 lbs. The video proves exactly what you said, that such shields would be useless.
tsafa1 2 years ago
@amadeus987
Wholeheartedly agreed
guilemaster147 2 years ago
doesn't this guy love his shields? it's great when people are passionate like this. Fascinating tests.
MarkHolgate 2 years ago 16
I love Mount and Blade: Warband
Cargh 2 years ago 4
the arrow head is very board it wuld be intresting to see it again using a needle bodkin
alexreid88 2 years ago
Bodkin of the time are soft iron; it would probably distort.
M.
meversbergii 2 years ago
Check out my videos( Viking vs. Samurai : Thrand's aftermath part 1, 2 and 3 also fighting bonus video) right here on youtube :P
ThegnThrand 2 years ago 2
Watching now. Looks pretty good.
tsafa1 2 years ago
very useful is some tried to hammer you
goth0c 2 years ago
I guess he was actually glad to see his work put to the test. I would.
Ranziel1 2 years ago 3
lol! I feel sorta sorry for that poor shield maker. He was a good sport, made some sheilds and brought them in for the show and they demolished them.
LambadLambadLambda 2 years ago 7
yeah thats gota be torcher to watch your work distroyed
dragonslayer1003 2 years ago
hmmm the shield are fixed, aren't they?
but if you hold them in your hand, they aren't static...
moep 2 years ago
I looked the video again. The one with axe thrown at it seemed to give about 4 inches. It seems to be attached to hinged arm.
tsafa1 2 years ago
if they are in a shieldwall it may be that static although i think you have a good point
whowantsabighug 2 years ago
Does anyone know if that shield maker has a website?
I am a hardcore reanactor and strive for authenticity; any help would be much appreciated...
PissedDwarf7 2 years ago
to thin and light....i dont wanna get killed just because my shield was a 0.5kg lighter
straka24 3 years ago
@straka24 You could get killed because your shield is 0.5kg heavier because your arm got too tired and you couldn't hold it up any more.
Do a test: hold a 5kg weight in your hand like a shield, and go for a 5k run, see if you can keep the weight up for the whole way
JonathanBloggs 1 year ago
@JonathanBloggs lighter and stronger is the better shield in the 9th century shield were better than lets say a Greek hoplon why because they were more maneuverable and light strong and could be used in single combat far better than the hoplon Greek shield which was too heavy and only protected the left side in single combat.
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
Is there anywhere I can see the whole episode?? I was one of the volunteers in the shield wall and would love to watch this again - bring back some great memories
ei1idh 3 years ago
Get the torrent from isohunt and use U-torrent to download. All episodes are there.
tsafa1 3 years ago
I was asked about the "cheese glue" adhesive ingredients. It seems to be Theophilus Presbyter (approx. 1070-1125). He was a Benedictine monk in case anyone wants to research further.
tsafa1 3 years ago
His book is called 'On divers arts'. ISBN: 9780486237848
eldsdrak 3 years ago
Awesome, instructive video.
000majorwinters000 3 years ago
:53 Looks like rawhide. That's not very heavy.
5:10 Good enough protection in a pinch to kill the guy with the axe.
Last scene: Machine test to discover breaking point. Inhuman force applied.
My take on the clip=covering my shields in rawhide from now on.
slapmagnit 3 years ago 3
Good thing to know. ^^
000majorwinters000 3 years ago
read a book bout mongol war tactics. hipo hide is the best to use!
ishotthesherifswife 3 years ago
Rhino hide as documented by the Chinese also worked very well.
Kisk79 3 years ago