Slideshow of Michigan Tablets

[artbulla]

More bigotry from a fool because biblical scenes overthrows the Darwinist paradigm! The petroglyphs which are much simpler on cliff faces are praised by arches because they think it sustains their Darwinist agenda. There are 30 different collections with 30,000 artifacts in the Soper Savage collection alone! It would've taken an army to manufacture artificially, fool!

[artbulla]

More bigotry from a fool because biblical scenes overthrows the Darwinist paradigm! The petroglyphs which are much simpler on cliff faces are praised by arches because they think it sustains their Darwinist agenda. There are 30 different collections with 30,000 artifacts in the Soper Savage collection alone! It would've taken an army to manufacture artificially, fool!

[DaddyOD13]

True cultures tend to leave far more diverse evidence behind.

Don't Mormons believe the race of people in their book were in the Americas

for several centuries or more, and In several locations?

The carvings on the objects from (1:51 to 2:28)

show a clear resemblance to amateur 1800s folk art. Very poorly made.

True American Indian artifacts were not so hastily made,

and show true craftsmanship. These slates are almost comical.

I doubt any respectable archeologist would claim these are genuine.

[artbulla]

You were judged because you judged wrongfully: 21 And he that shall breathe out wrath and strifes against the work of the Lord, and against the covenant people of the Lord who are the house of Israel, and shall say: We will destroy the work of the Lord, and the Lord will not remember his covenant which he hath made unto the house of Israel--the same is in danger to be hewn down and cast into the fire; (Morm 8:21)

[notanonimous]

@artbulla wow your really turning me off of the possibility that this could have been true thank g-d you won't ever be my judge. no need to reply your blocked

[artbulla]

@notanonimous You show signs of being a product of the government schools, manifest Darwiniac nitwittery, with unskilled use of the English language. There is no such grammatically correct term "skill less", fool. (Judge not, lest ye be judged.) Darwiniacs have a built in prejudice against anything to do with the real cause: Deity, and revelation from God to ancient peoples, fool. What evidence do you have there is no Holy Ghost? I remind you that denial of the Holy Ghost is unpardonable.

[notanonimous]

@artbulla seem like your judging me.

[notanonimous]

@artbulla I corrected my diction. I hope you won't judge me this time.

Most of these look to be made between the 1790-1890. They are made by a unskilled carver with extensive knowledge of christianity. In contrast many of the copper and other tools that were found are much more likely to be authentic. the sophistication of aztecs, mayan, egyptians, summerians and chinese put these to shame. You can see how the people were who created these tablets didn't know much about carving stone.

[DGneoseeker1]

@artbulla Oh wow, are you for real? OK, then I set you a challenge. Prove to me that your god is the true one as opposed to any other god up to and including Baal. You may not use scripture in this proof, since scripture cannot itself be proven to be correct.

[interstellarwonder]

so whats your point?

[artbulla]

@cyberrue From this volume: 9 Wherefore, I, Lehi, have obtained a promise, that inasmuch as those whom the Lord God shall bring out of the land of Jerusalem shall keep his commandments, they shall prosper upon the face of this land; and they shall be kept from all other nations, that they may possess this land unto themselves...2Nephi 1

[artbulla]

@cyberrue Thank you for your comment. There is a volume of scripture which Mr. Collins evidently does not know about or believe, which contains the prophecies of prophets among a branch of the House of Israel upon this, the American continent, or the "land of Joseph", and which records the words which Jesus spake while visiting this branch after his crucifixion and resurrection.

[artbulla]

42ER0TH I know you by your fruits. Typical sharpie, anti-Christ. 17 But whatsoever thing persuadeth men to do evil, and believe not in Christ, and deny him, and serve not God, then ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of the devil; for after this manner doth the devil work, for he persuadeth no man to do good, no, not one; neither do his angels; neither do they who subject themselves unto him. Moroni 7

[42ER0TH]

Calling me an anti-Christ like you know me. lol. i love the concept of christ. i love his story, i love the teachings. everything about him, but some cliche spiritual revelation that has to be imposed on everyone is a bit much. First sign of losing your mind is developing a god-complex, all the way to claiming to be the next messenger of truth. Usually by the time you go all the way to claiming to actually be god, you'll be hospitalized (i would hope).

[42ER0TH]

O goody, more people with personal divine realization. Just what we need. Next step is reforming a religion, or starting a brand new one. Don't forget to alientate and start a fight with all the other religions of the world. I was quite interested in these tablets at first, but now that i see your agenda, its preposterous. This just shows that the myth of undiscovered america (retaining european ownership) is false. Google: Egyptian Mithras

[artbulla]

@42ER0TH Thank you for your comment. To an anti-Christ, such as yourself, all believers in Christ are foolish: 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. (1 Cor 2:14-16)

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[cyberrue]

@artbulla I believe the Israelites were here on this continent during the reign of king Solomon who had made trade deals with the Phoenecian king Hiram. The Phoenecians were great sailors and navigated the seas far beyond the mediteranean. I think that the copper mines were mined out and the ore was taken back to Israel for the building of the temple. For more info on the "Lost Tribes" of Israel see Steven M Collins web site.

[davepamn]

You missed showing the genesis creation story pre Mose time

[artbulla]

@42EROTH No one could be more opposed to the idea of the Bible as being the complete story. I know the Book of Mormon is true by revelation to me many times. 35 For, behold, saith the Lamb: I will manifest myself unto thy seed, that they shall write many things ... these things shall be hid up, to come forth unto the Gentiles, by the gift and power of the Lamb. 36 And in them shall be written my gospel, saith the Lamb, and my rock and my salvation. (1 Ne 13:35-36)

[42ER0TH]

@artbulla O goody, more people with personal divine realization. Just what we need. Next step is reforming a religion, or starting a brand new one. Don't forget to alientate and start a fight with all the other religions of the world. I was quite interested in these tablets at first, but now that i see your agenda, its preposterous. This just shows that the myth of undiscovered america (retaining european ownership) is false. Google: Egyptian Mithras

[42ER0TH]

no doubt made by Mennonites, amish etc. christians of some branch who didnt have paper to teach their children its common knowledge they fled from europe to that area, and then westward to escape persecution

[artbulla]

@42ER0TH Much older. Carbon dating of copper mines associated with these people is 2300 BC!!!! Facts are stubborn things, pinhead.

[mugwamp4]

@artbulla why would carbon dating of copper mines nearby prove the age of artifacts

[artbulla]

@mugwamp4 The copper mines were mined by this civilization.

[42ER0TH]

no doubt made by Mennonites, amish etc. christians of some branch who didnt have paper to teach their children

[muconium]

Stick to mechanical engineering. I have no doubt you're good at it.

[jpinkoski26]

If you look at sumarian history and carvings and writings they tell of stories like Adam and eve Moses and more then a dozen stories that are in the bible about 2000 years before the bible before Jesus. And the were the first humans to develop an alphabet.

[artbulla]

@jpinkoski26 So Moses plagiarized the Sumerians! You fool. Typical jingoistic Darwinist, believing the propaganda put out by anti-Christ philosophers. The carbon dating done on the open pit copper mines is around 2300BC, the date of the dispersion from the Tower of Babel. The language is not Sumerian. The deluge covered the earth. Though it landed on Ararat, the ark was built on what is now No. America.. After the deluge, repopulated by these people.

[42ER0TH]

not just the sumerians, also the vedics, the egyptians, pretty much everyone culture that was far more advanced than jewish people at that time. Religious people may have you believe that history is recorded only in the bible.

[artbulla]

@jpinkoski26 The Sumerians had records, yes, and hearkened back to Noah, but that shows that the flood really happened. The Shepherd Kings (Hyksos) antedated Sumer, of which Abraham was one. Melchizedek built Salem and taught and ordained Abraham and met him returning from the slaughter of the Kings of Sodom and Gomorrah, saith the Lord. This strain, through which the Bible derives from Moses, antedates Sumer to pre-flood days and Adam himself.

[jpinkoski26]

Have you ever been to the upper peninsula? They are all hill rods and rednecks. I'm sure some loggers in 1890 sat down and sead let's make some clay cups and carve on slate. I don't think so.

[jpinkoski26]

You guys are stupid. I'm from Michigan and there are native American carvings everywhere showing ships in the water and biblical holy symbols. They were carved by converted Christians from Egypt. Witch proves that Columbus wasn't the first to discover America. Plus nights templers made it as far as Iceland and Greenland before all record was lost of them before Columbus. They could have made it to the great lakes to but I dont think they would have carved them that way.

[artbulla]

@jpinkoski26 Yes, they are everywhere, that is my point. The scholarly Haahvad educated nitwits, all say these are forgeries. They are everywhere. The culture is pre-Indian, and this people had prophets who received revelation, you anti-Christ fool. Denial of the Holy Ghost is unpardonable and is your modus-operandi. You were not there either. Without revelation it is impossible to know anything of the true history of the earth, stupid.

[42ER0TH]

@artbulla LOL, you're not proving Christianity right, you're proving Mormons right. Don't call people anti-christ  either. you are implying they are anti-goodness when they are merely anti-lies. Misinformation is a huge problem, particularly on youtube. The fact that everything is being presented as fact is ridiculous. you can't carbon date non-living things. How do these guys know the monks from ireland didn't teach a native tribe? such assertions ruin credibility, and put downs don't help

[mugwamp4]

@artbulla now these artifacts have only been found in a small area of michigan ???seems strange that they were'nt mlore widespread

[mugwamp4]

@artbulla now these artifacts have only been found in a small area of michigan ???seems strange that they were'nt more widespread

[kittycorp]

The Mi. map you show is of the Lower Peninsula. And please don't reference the spike signature as Jesus's spikes as fact. That is what science does when they don't have an answer. They just state things as fact and put it in history books.

[artbulla]

Modern scriptures throw added light...Adam was taught a pure and undefiled language. ..accompanying power of the Holy Spirit, the message of the Gospel preached in this language had tremendous impact upon the human soul. "All nations feared greatly, so powerful was the word of Enoch, and so great was the power of the language which God had given him." the language which the brother of Jared wrote...was extremely powerful in its ability to convey ideas in clarity and with force. (Hyrum L. Andrus)

[artbulla]

Your ignorance is astounding!  Typical liberal moonbat. The Adamic tongue is not Hebrew, fool. Hebrew is a modern language compared with the language Adam spoke from the Gods, idiot. (see next post).

[GmaM11]

If this is of God, we would find Hebrew symbols rather than pagan symbols. The Adamic tongue was Hebrew, Torah was written by the finger of God in Hebrew, God's language. "In the beginning was the Word (Torah) and the Word was God (YHVH) and the Word (Torah) was God." All these artifacts prove is that there was a pagan culture that reached the Americas, most likely the Phoenicians, who used Egyptian/pagan symbols such as the eye of Horus.

[worloq]

Testing of these tablets by the Michigan Historical Museum revealed these to be made with contemporary tools. They're fakes.

[artbulla]

The whole point of these posts and the slideshow is to prove that these people you rely on and trust for judgment are like the global warming "scientists" who cook the data. Darwinists cannot be trusted. There are 30 other collections, and riverboat captains for a century and a half have observed the mystic symbol on cliff faces! More are being discovered all the time which Soper and Savage had nothing to do, fool.

[worloq]

Do you know the difference between you and I?

As a skeptic, I know what it would take to change my mind. The kind of obsessive faith that prevents seeing reason and results in the immediate discounting of proof against one's opinion is poisonous.

God gave us intelligence; if we do not use it, are we not spitting in his eye?

[artbulla]

I am skeptical of the "fairy tale for grownups" i.e. evolution. I am a Mechanical Engineer and have studied quantum mechanics, 5 courses in thermodynamics, and mathematics, physics to a high degree. Evolution does not conform to the real world of thermodynamics. The difference between you and I is that you are a fool and I am not. I have the true science, Theology which circumscribes all others, saith the Lord.

[worloq]

Well, if you're going to descend into ad hominem attacks so quickly, there is obviously no point in continuing this discussion.

[worloq]

Oh, and before I go, it is worth mentioning that the second law of thermodynamics applies only to closed systems.

Your great science of theology has been proven wrong on matters of biology, the nature of the Earth, even the order of the universe; why should the mistakes stop where it is convenient to your argument?

[artbulla]

That is not true, the second law applies everywhere, fool. Everywhere, all instances, proving biologists are merely philosophers, not scientists. Go get educated in hard science before you come here with your liberal nit-wit atheist propaganda talking points.

[worloq]

The second law of thermodynamics states that entropy increases in an isolated--or closed--system. Are you going to try to state that the Earth is a closed system? Because there's a massive ball of hydrogen about 94.4 million miles away that would beg to differ. To attempt applying thermodynamics in that way is to demonstrate a vast lack of comprehension of both scientific subjects.

[artbulla]

That is why it is called a "law". It is universal. The universe runs down. Water runs downhill, not up, universally. Systems here on earth go from order to disorder (decay) through entropy, despite the energy of the sun crossing the boundary. In fact sunlight speeds up this randomization, i.e, the dashboard of your car, etc. Cakes don't bake themselves, streets don't pave themselves, creations don't create themselves. see artbulladotcom/zion/Evolution.­pdf for full mathematical treatment.

[worloq]

Entropy is not a measure of disorder, but a measure of free energy. It does not *always* correspond to disorder. If you had the education you claim, this should have been among your first lessons.

I dismiss you as a fraud.

[poetdesmond]

So--you want to use science to prove evolution wrong, but have decided to ignore the science which proves your tablets a hoax? And you expect people to take you seriously?

[artbulla]

There is truth and then there is junk science. Revelation is a superior medium for discovering truth than mere empiricism.

[poetdesmond]

So--you don't deny your hypocrisy, then? Using science to attack, but ignoring it when it is used against you? Then you must know, in your heart, that the tablets are fake, yet you willfully deny their fraudulent nature. That does not make you a good man, or a holy man, and it does not make you a prophet. It makes you a sinner, and a liar; those convinced by fake evidence have not experienced revelations of faith, but a virus of the mind.

You have damned them as you have damned yourself.

[worloq]

As well, I am, frankly, insulted by your insinuation that, because one group of scientists misrepresented something, all scientists must be liar. Shall I provide a list of all religious figures who have lied and been otherwise corrupt as refutation, or shall we stick to the point?

[artbulla]

Darwinism is a hoax perpetrated by antiChrists. Fossils in the ground do not advance evolution for an explanation of existance. The NDE proves your "scientists" are fakes and charlatans, all of them who believe this lie. I attack false religions as well, though I believe all men have the right to worship God as they please, but I know there is one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one fundamental theorem of calculus, one universal law of gravitation, etc.

[KaBecca66]

This is stupid. There is an amazing amount of evidence proving the Michigan Relics are frauds. How about the fact they are only found in Michigan? How about the fact matierials from the artifacts were found to be from local companies? These have no religious mean, they are just proof that James Scotford is an idiot, and that some people are stupid enough to believe in his crappy attempt at a fraud.

[artbulla]

"The existence and proof of these ancient people and their teachings prove that those who have labeled or allowed these artifacts to be labeled phony, are they themselves phony. This includes professors and teachers of higher learning in our educational systems, heads of the Smithsonian Institute, Prophets, Seers, Revelators, leaders, professors and teachers within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, as well as others of other organizations." Duane Ericson

[icecue7]

"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours"

[artbulla]

I am an eyewitness there is a God, but you have seen nothing. The arrogance of the atheist is that because Deity has not condescended to manifest himself to them, therefore they postulate without authority, that he does not exist! "Opinion without revelation is no authority." Joseph Smith

[sixstringx2]

But, what has this great, so called Holy man done with this great land ? Rape, Greed, and Blunder it, till it no longer can contain such a " Holy Man ' Oh my, just as we had planed, but much longer, your technologoies have served a " Non Appreciative, Man, For So Long"...Now What ????

Mother Nature...Or some higher power will rule..We all are pawns waiting our desmise now...Take Govt. out of the eqaution and were all back to sqaure one ! Prior peoples examples are something to be learned from!

[artbulla]

10 For behold, this is a land which is choice above all other lands; wherefore he that doth possess it shall serve God or shall be swept off; for it is the everlasting decree of God. And it is not until the fulness of iniquity among the children of the land, that they are swept off. 11 And this cometh unto you O ye Gentiles, that ye may know the decrees of God--that ye may repent... not bring down the fulness of the wrath of God as the inhabitants of the land have hitherto done. Ether 2:10-11

[YUNGCHUCK101]

so if you think we are his people why do you keep stealing from us. give us back are land

[artbulla]

The land was given to someone else by Jehovah, fool: (this answer will have to be in three parts): 15 And also that the seed of this people may more fully believe his gospel, which shall go forth unto them from the Gentiles; for this people shall be scattered, and shall become a dark, a filthy, and a loathsome people, beyond the description of that which ever hath been amongst us, yea, even that which hath been among the Lamanites, and this because of their unbelief and idolatry. Mormon 5:15.

[artbulla]

16 For behold, the Spirit of the Lord hath already ceased to strive with their fathers; and they are without Christ and God in the world; and they are driven about as chaff before the wind. 17 They were once a delightsome people, and they had Christ for their shepherd; yea, they were led even by God the Father. Mormon 5:16-17

[artbulla]

18 But now, behold, they are led about by Satan, even as chaff is driven before the wind, or as a vessel is tossed about upon the waves, without sail or anchor, or without anything wherewith to steer her; and even as she is, so are they. 19 And behold, the Lord hath reserved their blessings, which they might have received in the land, for the Gentiles who shall possess the land. (Morm 5:15-19)

[not2seri0us]

These are so fake....

[artbulla]

25 Thou hast also made our words powerful and great, even that we cannot write them; wherefore, when we write we behold our weakness, and stumble because of the placing of our words; and I fear lest the Gentiles shall mock at our words. 26 And when I had said this, the Lord spake unto me, saying: Fools mock, but they shall mourn; and my grace is sufficient for the meek, that they shall take no advantage of your weakness;

(Ether 12:25-26)

[artbulla]

Darwinism is the fairy tale for grownups. Now to believe that lie, one has to "imaginate" cakes baking themselves, streets paving themselves, buildings building themselves, etc. To say a human body sprang out of primordial goo, now that takes imagination!

[justaniceguy2cuddle]

nice imagination

[jmfpda]

Hi Mr. Artbulla, good work. I want to know about the tale that Joseph Smith was translating the Book of Mormon and he tranlate the word "silk" brother O.Cowdery that was more educated than J.Smith say "silk brother Joseph?" becouse he know that silk was an european product brought to america for the spanish., and after decades of discoveries the archeologist found silk in peru, that tale was true? and if was were can i found it in the records

Thank you Javier

[artbulla]

The word silk is used twice in the King James Version of the Old Testament, once to translate the Hebrew word sheshee, which was likely a fine linen (Prov. 31:22), and the other to translate the Hebrew word meshee, which likely refers to traditional silk (Ezek. 16:10).(Book of Mormon Reference Companion)

[artbulla]

A fine, lustrous cloth. The word "silk" or "silks" occurs six times in the Book of Mormon, always together with "fine" or "-fine- twined linen." Among the Nephites and Jaredites silk was a sign of prosperity (Alma 1:29; Ether 9:17; 10:24), and along with Nephite costly apparel , a symbol of pride and worldliness (Alma 4:6; cf. Jacob 2:13; Alma 5:53; 4 Ne. 1:24). Silk is also listed as one of the lustful desires of the great and abominable church (1 Ne. 13:7, 8)

[artbulla]

The term may be used to describe a number of different cloths known in the New World. It is likely that "silk" in the Book of Mormon refers to a fine cloth made from materials native to the New World. For example, early Spanish explorers recorded that the natives in Mexico gathered fibers from wild cocoons, a fiber from the pod of a tree (kapok), and a fiber of a wild pineapple plant, all of which were spun into fabrics described by the Spaniards as "silk" or "silk like."

[artbulla]

Read the Book of Ether in the Book of Mormon: 1 AND now I, Moroni, proceed to give an account of those ancient inhabitants who were destroyed by the hand of the Lord upon the face of this north country. 2 And I take mine account from the twenty and four plates which were found by the people of Limhi, which is called the Book of Ether.

(Ether 1:1-2)

[artifactman660]

ok im fake, answer me one thing how did they get here? and how old do they date?and what do they prove?

[artifactman660]

the engravings look so fake, what a joke

! have you ever studied artifacts? evidently not. have them scoped by somebody whos knows what they are looking at,or should i say for.the lines in the engravings do not look right some thing phoney about it,its missing something? like patination for one.would love to see in real life.

[artbulla]

The fake here is you. "The existence and proof of these ancient people and their teachings prove that those who have labeled or allowed these artifacts to be labeled phony, are they themselves phony. This includes professors and teachers of higher learning in our educational systems, heads of the Smithsonian Institute, Prophets, Seers, Revelators, leaders, professors and teachers within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, as well as others of other organizations." Duane Ericson

[artbulla]

No, Moron=evolutionist barking moonbat in denial such as yourself, fool.

[000deadcalm000]

Mormon=Moron. Case closed

[artbulla]

I want you to know that I know from the Holy Ghost, and open vision in which I was caught up to see and hear the things of God for myself, that the Book of Mormon is indeed true, and the same character assasination practiced against it by the wicked, unbelievers and scoffers, and by whom the blood of the prophet Joseph was shed, has been marshalled against anything promoting a faith and belief in God, such as the Michigan Tablets of which the BOM testifies--of a civilization before Aztec or Inca

[babyboojez]

I want to say this. I owe you an apology for just attacking you so relentlessly. So here publicly I am making that apology. I do not share all your beliefs but I cannot disrespect them. Forgive me for any offense to you. Please accept my peace offering brother.

[babyboojez]

Can I ask you a question without you being offended? I do not ask this with any bad intention but I really want to know what you really think about these tablets. Do you think the Michigan Tablets are a hoax or authentic ancient artifacts?

[artbulla]

I know they are authentic. The sheer no of collections, more being discovered all the time, 30,000 artifacts in the Soper Savage collection alone, eyewitness sworn affidavits of the discoveries being made, by digging cellars, for instance in Detroit, mystic symbol on cliff faces on the Ohio River known by riverboat captains for over a hundred years, and the linguistic analysis by Helen Mertz, secretary to Cordell Hull of the FDR admin all shout these are true to all but closed minded bigots.

[babyboojez]

No disrespect intended but personally I do not believe in the Book of Mormon.

[artbulla]

18 And now, my brethren, seeing that ye know the light by which ye may judge, which light is the light of Christ, see that ye do not judge wrongfully; for with that same judgment which ye judge ye shall also be judged. 19 Wherefore, I beseech of you, brethren, that ye should search diligently in the light of Christ that ye may know good from evil; and if ye will lay hold upon every good thing, and condemn it not, ye certainly will be a child of Christ.(Moro 7:18-19)

[babyboojez]

Art I have not called you any names but you insist to call me a fool. I won't call you any names and I won't claim to know the scriptures very well. I have seen non-Christians who have studied the Holy Bible in extreme detail and quote the scriptures. Why can't you just be nice? One of the core teachings of the Holy Bible is Love. I will admit I approached you in a hostile manner and that was not right but you are also wrong for being rude to people.

[artbulla]

The scriptures are not with you, that is why you cannot quote them, but they are with me. The Holy Ghost gives me what to quote, ignorant fool, for instance something I took to heart many years ago:

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

(2 Tim 2:15)

[artbulla]

You are the devil.

[babyboojez]

The DEVIL can also quote from the bible. Just because you quote from the bible does not mean you are doing the right thing. You obviously cannot face any criticism.

[artbulla]

(Proverbs 26:3) A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back. (Proverbs 26:4) Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

[babyboojez]

Art, you are very rude to respond to legitimate questions the way you do!!! You ridicule to hide your own ignorance!!! Shame on you!!! Instead of bringing people to GOD you push them away!!! YOU ARE A FAKE!!!

[babyboojez]

These look SO FAKE...get real...you cannot seriously believe these are really ancient artifacts...SO FAKE looking! Stop trying to scam people and try earning an honest living!!!

[den22thecoast2]

These tablets contain really unusual human figures, almost 20 th century cartoon versions of indians for example, they just dont look rite. Also the objects can not be dated properly due to compositon and who is to say they were imported. Why can't like in Europe, have an existing sit and properly controlled excavation, legally binding and informative instead of smoke screens and here say.

[slu2com]

Wayne May is a little on the fanatical and unrealistic end of these artifacts.

Here's the skinny:

James Scotford made these "artifacts" in the early 20th century.

His daughter signed an avadavid verifying that she saw him make these artifacts.

Many archeologists including the LDS church have inspected these items and have all declared them frauds.

I made a video called: "Michigan Artifacts Debunked"

youtube. com/watch?v=ouHtd4_qJzk

[artbulla]

Typical assassination from a Darwinist whose world view is upturned like the tables of the money changers. There are 30 other collections which Soper and Savage have had nothing to do . (See my video "Testimony of Rudolph Etzinhouser" an eyewitness to discoveries). These debunk such fools.

[slu2com]

"There are 30 other collections which Soper and Savage have had nothing to do ."

You think that they were the only other forgers in the world? What do you think of the likes of Mark Hoffman?

Come on, someone sees an opportunity to get famous, they throw some copper and some chemicals together, and vwala!

What does the carbon dating say about them?

What do the archeologists say about them?

What does the smithsonian say about them?

What does the LDS say abotu them?

[slu2com]

What does the carbon dating say about them?

What do the archeologists say about them?

What does the smithsonian say about them?

What does the LDS say about them?

[artbulla]

Typical leftist, Darwinist nitwit. "It is not what is said, but who says it."

[slu2com]

Darwinist? ROFL. I think someone is in far left field, but it isn't me.

Im not evolutionist, not a "Darwinist", and I have the common sense to investigate claims before I make them. Unlike yourself.

Check my videos. Im a disciple of Christ, not Darwin.

Again, all of the major parties that have investigated these artifacts, including those who would benefit most, like the LDS church. have declared the artifacts with Christ related stuff on them, as hoaxes. Frauds.

[artbulla]

Sectarian nitwit, then. You have an axe to grind, just the same: anti-Mormon bigotry. D&C 76:100 100 These are they who say they are some of one and some of another—some of Christ and some of John, and some of Moses, and some of Elias, and some of Esaias, and some of Isaiah, and some of Enoch; D&C 76:101 101 But received not the gospel...

[utahpirateradio]

Oh yes, I've received the gospel. But just as you falsely accused me of following Darwin, you've also falsely accused me of not accepting Christ's gospel.

The fool here is you.

[babyboojez]

LOL!!! Art you need to calm down man. "slu2com" started out just asking you some questions. Just because you cannot answer intelligently, you call this person names and accuse this person of all kinds of things. You don't even know this person. Why the hostility? Why not just give him some answers and have a good discussion instead of calling names and accusing...

[zebb1111]

amazing discovery of freemasonic symbols and mormon theological constructs. am I to believe that freemasonry had lodges among the Indians years before freemasonry existed?

the obvious conclusion is that the Nights templar came to america fleeing european persecution. sic.

come on dude...even the lds thinks their fake. are they in cohoots with the catholic jesuits who would deny these tablets in a second.

[artbulla]

The carbon dating in association with the open pit copper mines of this culture is 2250 BC, long before freemasons were a twinkle in somebody's eye, fool. A dog is not a horse, even if all the king's horses and all the king's men say otherwise.

[zebb1111]

show us the carbon dating results. you sound like your making this stuff up. 2250 years thats 200 years before jesus. did the book of mormon get it wrong? Jesus came to north america first.

[artbulla]

"In the 1950's, radio-carbon dating of charcoal found at the bottom of several pits showed that they had been worked 3,800 (plus/miinus 300) years ago." Prehistoric Copper Mining in the Lake Superior Region: Octave Joseph DuTemple. The records possessed by these people according to the BOM, contained prophecies of the events found on the artifacts.

[zebb1111]

so the charcoal is 3800 years old. what does that have to do with the age of the plates. since the stone is not organic matter, carbon dating is useless. also if I find an old tin of chewing tobaco in that pit I would not asume that it dates to the time of some 3800 year old cave fire.

[artbulla]

The same culture that mined the copper produced the plates, fool, obviously. No one argues that point at all, educated or non, except of course, fools.

4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit. (Prov 26:4-5)

[thebrand313]

artbulla: What evidence (bigotry and name-calling is not evidence, fool) do you have that Mormonism is fale?

The doctrine itself proves itself false. The fact that a known lier Joseph Smith supposedly found gold tablets with this said doctrine on it is another area of proof to be examined. Finally, where THE FUCK ARE THESE TABLETS? No one has ever seen them.... hmmm.. you have all these other "artifacts" (which prove nothing), show me the fucking tablets!

[artbulla]

"It is a wicked and adulterous generation that seeketh for a sign." Jesus of Nazereth

[zebb1111]

then who needs the michigan tablets?

[artbulla]

I don't need them. I have seen God face to face in the day I was caught up as anciently. I have seen and heard the voice of God shake the ground. 5 And he had hope to shake me from the faith, notwithstanding the many revelations and the many things which I had seen concerning these things; for I truly had seen angels, and they had ministered unto me. And also, I had heard the voice of the Lord speaking unto me in very word, from time to time; wherefore, I could not be shaken. (Jacob 7:5)

[sunsmokename]

READ A BOOK. and stop looking at stupid made up scratched stones. those look like shit. if those were really sum "ancient religious artifact" i bet the artist would have put a little more effort into it that that. and i doubt the person or the "people" who made those sad excuses for tablets could come up with the know how to navigate the world and survive. >>>or build a fucking pyramid.

stop spreding lies. tell the truth. GENOCIDE

WILL NOT GO UNPUNISHED.

1491 pride.

[HolyinHim]

Hmmmm......I would suggest you might like to do some reading as well. A dictionary could help you with words like "sum" and "spreding". Also, is your use of a lower case "i" an effort on your part to exude humility? And your use of vulgar language, while perhaps amusingly cute within your own social circles, really undermines your credibility and effectively renders as useless anything constructive you might have actually been trying to say.

[seetvrun]

Great slides. Some friends of mine, mostly non-LDS, are doing some amazing digs right now at some cave sights in Book of Mormon lands (midwest and great lakes) containing some artifacts to come out soon that will put opposers, biggots, and naysayers of The BofM and Joseph to shame. Literally a treasure of artifacts. These artifacts are just a tip of the ice burg.

[TotalHorseShit]

nuff said

[nashaunconwell]

Well you indeed have a great testimony and as such a personal one. I personally beleive that there is much evidence to disproof the BOM outside of your evidence. I applaud your zeal but respectfully diagree with your opinion. Finally I want to thank you for your response and will continue my research and include your data (hopefully no hard feelings) enjoy your journey and have peace- Nashauan

[artbulla]

Thank you for the complement nash. I wish I had more space here to convince you of the true source of knowledge...one that every single person will find out, some to their glory and happiness, and others to their torment, for an infallible source will present to them the truth, ineffable, unarguable, cannot be debated with, power unspeakable. To this you must look, not man and his opinions, and it must be sought out by prayer. If I can turn one soul to God, my sojourn here is not in vain.

[nashaunconwell]

What ever thatnks for the response your still grappling and did not answer my questions, oh well BYU/FARMS is a very small consensus and what you Mormons call facts the Smithsonian would probably call fiction like the BOM. have a good day sir

[artbulla]

Facts are stubborn things. The Michigan Tablets (30 collections, one containing over 30,000 artifacts discovered all over the eastern seabord and midwest with the same mystic symbol, from 1853 to present preclude forgeries. It would take an army of artisans to fabricate these finds, Smithsonian bigots notwithstanding. Batcreek stone upside down in Smithsonian for 85 yrs. Cyrus Gordon finally translated it from the Hebrew on the stone.

[nashaunconwell]

"What evidence (bigotry and name-calling is not evidence, fool) do you have that Mormonism is fale?"

Perhaps you should follow the council of Joseph Smith " to avoid EVEN the appearance of evil ( which he failed and you as well with your name calling, "scholar")

[artbulla]

Anyone who believes Darwinism is a fool. Jesus called persons fools many times. A bigot is one who refuses to see, even when presented with facts. I have a multitude of evidence Darwinists, liberals, atheists, and 93% (Columbia U. study: scientists are atheists: 93%, agenda-driven). Facts not fitting this godless template are discarded i.e. Michigan Tablets. Hence they are fools.

[aaronkim001]

Yes the Book of Mormon is a true historical account of ancient America dating all the way back to 600 BC. The artifacts prove it. I have it by the Holy Spirit that it is true. Evolution is an incredible lie, worse than the Emperor's new clothes.

[nashaunconwell]

"What evidence (bigotry and name-calling is not evidence, fool) do you have that Mormonism is fale?"

(Where is Zarehemla or Bountiful?, I can see the Cyrus Cylinder from Babylon and the coins of Rome of Jesus Day your grappling to prove the BOM does not make it so, infact what of the forgeries of Mark Hoffman that deceived YOUR seers and prophet(Mosiah 8:13-17) And if the BOM was SOO sacred it was taken back from God than what was special the GOLD, the BOM is in print??

[nashaunconwell]

artbulla "Obviously you are a bigot. Bigots cannot be reasoned with. Brain-washed into desired bigotry by the atheist preachers of the false religion of Darwinism. What evidence (bigotry and name-calling is not evidence, fool) do you have that Mormonism is fale? None, save it be your word only, which is no evidence" Calm down I beleive in God not this grappling for proof, answer the question what of the Kinderhook plates sir?

[nashaunconwell]

Perhhaps more research of the misrepresentaion of the book of Abraham would be time better spent, or the Kinderhook plates. I have a feel like FARMS here about grappling for something to prove ones faith, burning in the bosom should that not alone be enough?

[artbulla]

I have more than "burning of the bosom". A voice spoke over the heads of myself and two sargents of US Army at Ft. Sam which shook the ground. I have beheld the devils come out of a young prostitute at her request to cast them out. I saw them come out and so did she. I was caught up to the third heaven in 1969 where I saw and heard unutterable things and beheld more might than can be imagined by man in the flesh. I have received a volume of scripture for this generation...

[timmee2005]

It doesn't get any media attention because Mormons are a dumb lot of bigots, and adding fuel to their retarded fire would be injustice. IT shows history, but Mormons would choose to use this information to prove there religion. WHereas their religion is just as false as all the others.

[artbulla]

Obviously you are a bigot. Bigots cannot be reasoned with. Brain-washed into desired bigotry by the atheist preachers of the false religion of Darwinism. What evidence (bigotry and name-calling is not evidence, fool) do you have that Mormonism is fale? None, save it be your word only, which is no evidence.

[stang46l]

This gives me the chills. It's a shame that it doesn't get more media attention.

[artbulla]

Yes, it should give you the chills. Very apt way of putting it. There is a media blackout due to the bigotry and prejudice of the "scientific" establishment and Columbia atheist media, because these overthrow their world-view. You have been victimized as well as every other public school educated person who has been subjected to the state-supported religion of Darwinism being rammed down their gullible throats for generations.