Learning to fly the helicopter 2

[davidek463]

Why is there smoke is it broken !!

[deejsteriser]

@davidek463 This heli burns fuel and has a 2-stroke engine like a chainsaw. All 2-stroke engines require oil to be mixed with the fuel to lubricate it otherwise the engine would seize. The oil vapour is the smoke you see out of the exhaust, just like you would with a 2-stroke chainsaw.

[TheRcworld101]

where can you get rtf nitro helis for a good price

[deejsteriser]

@TheRcworld101 Well that depends which country you're in. I will say this though - Heli's are very difficult to fly even when they're running perfectly. When nitro engines run rough, the heli can fall from the sky costing you a lot of money. As such, don't underestimate the value of a local model shop who can help you set it up. It may cost more initially, but the support may save you money.

[TheAustin3184]

@TheRcworld101 Amainhobbies(Dot)Com

[apia6000]

ohhh....fog creator!

[1sunvol]

I would buy one but I am worried about my limbs

[vickishortland]

best heli i found to learn with it a Raptor 30 V2. so so stable!

[trexinvert]

For the Newb's...I'm not knocking the big birds, but a few things to keep in mind. 1.) Big heli=big danger=flying far away=harder to see=less control. 2.) Big heli's get very floaty and while you focus on cyclic stick it's easy to forget about throttle stick. 3.) Can't fly these in your backyard. If you're really like motocross noise, love to tune, and have a big field go for it. However, I would always recommend a trex450 for newb's even if it's a bit more twitchy. You learn quicker.

[deejsteriser]

@trexinvert Yep, I'll second all of those points.

[charleselzey]

@trexinvert I, on the other hand disagree...the bigger the bird the more stable not as twitchy, slower,easier to see and a bit slower for more reaction time...thats just my opinion,i learned on a rappy 90 and when i flew a blade 400 it was like i was a newbe after a year and 5 mos. thats why i stick with the 50's 90's and logo 600...i do have a heli-max 400 tho,now that i'm a 4 year 3d pilot..thats just my opinion!!! Stay in the air no matter what you fly!!!

[deejsteriser]

@geo99406739 Around 10-15 minutes, depending on how hard you fly it. (15 mins of hovering, 10 mins of zipping around)

[420choky]

kool

[venquessa]

Shame it's nitro so you can't really hear the sweet rotor noise :)

[deejsteriser]

@venquessa True! Though there's something very satisfying about the roar of the engine too. It's swings & roundabouts :)

[edwin4759]

pretty stable. bigger heli's are much stable then the small ones

[deejsteriser]

@edwin4759 Very true.

[underpantswedgy]

how about attaching some plastic missiles to the heli, then go around attacking people in the park..they'll all run anway and you can have the park to yourself? lol

[deejsteriser]

Nice idea!

[JWallWill]

thanks for the video, I always find them fasinating to watch. that's a lot of smoke coming out of the exhaust pipe? Is that normal?

[deejsteriser]

Yep - absolutely normal. See the other comments for an explanation.

[sikewiley]

Good flight. But it is not safe to hoover betweem two people. Good fight though. If your new to it.

[stealhty1]

i bet you can"t sleep at night thinking about flying this thing the next day.........

(which is normal it happen to all of us)

[deejsteriser]

Very true!

[heberorozco]

yeeees!!!! that's true! i love helis!

[dhudson369]

a lot of smoke coming out of that is it running a bit lean

[deejsteriser]

A lot of smoke would suggest running too rich. However on this heli, you should have plenty of smoke as the fuel is used to cool the engine as well as lubricate and power it. Running with too little smoke would cause overheating.

[giantdavid89]

more smoke means its not lean its rich.

[cayote64]

I forgot to say in previous post, well done by the way, nice flight deejsteriser, Hirobos are great to learn on arn`t they

[deejsteriser]

Hey thanks cayote :) It's not very exciting hovering in one place, but it sure is difficult at first. And I agree - the hirobo is very stable, and has been great for learning.

[skypirate553]

Helicopters are wayyyyyyyy harder to fly than planes , trust me on that one -----> PureWay4 ... lol

[PureWay4]

why did u almost stayed in the same area why not mpve wider? maybe normal rc plance is cooler than helo!

[deejsteriser]

Good question - I remember thinking that when I was 10 years old and saw my first RC heli. Helis are MUCH harder to learn than planes. First step is to learn how to hover - and practice keeping it in one spot. Moving around with the tail towards you is then relatively easy. Planes are cool if you want an easy life! ;)

[PureWay4]

am not sure but it is easer to prevent a helo from crashing on ground casue it is more stable unlike planes which can crash by wong turns even by pros!

I flyed both and found planes harder!

Thanks

[deejsteriser]

Helis are most definitely not more stable - they are aerodynamically unstable requiring constant adjustment. Fixed wing are inherently stable (apart from modern fighter jets).

My hunch is you've flown small helicopters - perhaps with two rotors (contra-rotating co-axial). They are very, very different, inherently stable, and much easier even than a plane.

[happypappykid74]

definitely, he cant even make a sentence he's probably 10 like you said rofl

[cayote64]

Lol sounds like someone has no idea of how hard it is to fly a rc heli. First thing to learn is hover, sounds real easy but it aint, its like trying to hold a dinner plate in each hand, now place a marble on each plate and ALL you have to do is keep both marbles in the centre of both dinner plates both at the same time. Easy eh ?

i flyed both and found planes harder, probably because the heli was a coaxial, but if your getting flyed mixed up with flew then maybe flyeding aint for you lol

[deejsteriser]

Nice analogy, cayote! You're absolutely right.

And yes, coaxial are much, much easier. You should try a 'real' one sometime though - they're much cheaper now and a great challenge.

[cayote64]

Thanks deejsteriser. I love my Hiroboo 30 and my blade 400, i find it a real challenge "just keeping it in one area" at first. The electric heli`s like my blade are harder than nitro, simply due to the size aspect the hirobo is much more stable and a great bird to learn on. But id rather pay the bill for crashing my Blade 400 than even a light crash with my hirobo as bills for nitro`s tend to be expensive.

[puggster]

ive been flying 4ch hellis like night ranger and single fixed rotor 4ch setups

is this much difrent in aspects of control and things ?

i know electric are way more zippy and responsive than nitro but i was thinking with nitro being a tad more stable i could easily advance to bigger nitro models

i used to fly nitro planes but i have menires so i cant be looking up to the sky for long as i get very dizzy lol so hellis are the next best thing for rc junkies :D btw good hovering skills :)

[deejsteriser]

Hi puggster. From what I can tell, the night ranger is very similar to the Sabre / Honey Bee. To be honest, if you can hover one of those, you'll be fine controlling the nitro as its more stable.The main difference is you can drop a Sabre when things go wrong without much damage. Drop a nitro and it's probably going to be expensive, not to mention dangerous. Thanks for the compliment, and good luck!

[Edzus94]

i have a plane lots fun whit petrol ones dont realy like helis

[nh3we]

i have the same helicpter my self. and starting with a nitro heli is the right thing to do. nice and stable and you get to learn how to use nitro right. smaler electric helis are great, when you want to try something new in the air, sine some of them are cheaper. what is the engine size in yours?

[deejsteriser]

You're right - if set up right the Nitro is much more stable than the 450 electric T-Rex. This one has an OS .50 SX-H Hyper engine, boosted with a CY MP2 exhaust giving the heli plenty of power. Happy flying :)

[sussexspooks]

your right about starting on nitro helis. I bought a belt cp v2 for my first one and it is to small and light to fly for beginners. I since bought a Shuttle from ebay compltete with Futaba FF8 and learning to fly on it is so much easier. Spares for the Shuttle are cheap as well.

[totoni2000]

too much smoke. i will stick with electric. man, that's polluting on purpose! switch to electric man!!!

[LillzZ96]

ur learning to fly and u went ahead and bought a nitro helicopter!!! brave and bold move!!

if u got the cash tho im cool with that but i think for a first helicopter its worth getting an electric one to save all the more problems and tuning issues with a nitro helicopter

[150peacemaker]

if i was starting new, i would have started big cause bigger is more stable and more smooth but i did what everyone did and started electric. it was a walkera knock-off rtf belt driven heli. lets just say i got a work out on that thang. lol

[zenithbay]

Nice...!

[avalanchewholesaleco]

I couldn't have done better myself. Nice job. I will break out my Trex 450xl and give it another shot. Thanks for the confidence friend!

[deejsteriser]

Thanks. I have a Trex 450SE too - it's truly excellent. Outstanding build quality and flies beautifully. Good luck!

[Reefer5utherland]

sweet

[totoni2000]

i am a heli fan... but, isnt that polluting for fun? too much smoke.  i have two electric helis. no smoke!!

[deejsteriser]

Electric are great - I have two myself. However there is quite a power difference with nitros. As for pollution, the amount it will generate in its entire lifetime is tiny compared to travelling just 1 mile in a car.

[jnuness]

your baldes neds traking

[deejsteriser]

Thanks :)

[jnuness]

you welcome

steel flying ?

[deejsteriser]

Haven't had much time this year, but I'm currently building my next heli - a sceadu based Airwolf.

[robson1014]

is this water??

[deejsteriser]

No, it's mainly oil which is mixed with the fuel in all 2-stroke engines to lubricate and cool the engine. Without it the engine would seize.

[teampullmyfinger]

Have you heard that there is a problem with the ozone? go electric! that thing if is f ing up our air.

[deejsteriser]

Travelling 1 mile in a car would produce more pollution than this heli will in its entire lifetime. Appearances are deceptive - smoke doesn't damage ozone or pollute that much in fact - CO2 does. You can't see CO2, and the amount of CO2 is not proportional to the amount of smoke.

[flballer2112]

why is it hard to fly a 6ch like what makes it difficult is it like very responsive? sorry im a noob thanks

[deejsteriser]

'Real' helis like this are naturally unstable. An R/C plane will keep flying if you let go of the sticks. A 6ch heli needs constant adjustments even just to keep it hovering. Imagine balancing a soccer ball on top of another soccer ball - it will fall off unless you keep nudging it. The heli is the same. It's less to do with the number of channels (this one is actually 8ch), and more to do with the fact it's not a co-axial heli, which are self stabilising but less agile. Hope that helps.

[Aerodigitales]

Hey great lesson!!! now i know how to fly helicopters like a pro!!! Ur words where exactly what i just needed to hear! jaja.

[Macsgrafs]

Hey buddy, looks like it's on fire ;)))

[Jamalje]

nah it is a gas heli the exhaust lets thst go... Correct me if I am wrong I'm 12

[deejsteriser]

It's a nitro heli. Like all 2-stroke engines, there is no oil in the engine like your car has, so it has to be added to the fuel. The fuel is a mix of methanol, nitromethane and synthetic oil. If there isn't a steady stream of cooling white smoke, then there's something wrong and the engine can overheat very quickly.

[Jamalje]

Oh ok thatnks! I really learn alot from you!

[finno123456]

deejsteriser how easy is it to fly and how much did it cost you if you dont mind me asking. I would like to buy one but not here in ireland it would be to dear.Plus i would be afraid if i crash it but i suppose practice makes perfect. I would definately buy one in the us if i was over on holiday it would be next to nothing with the euro.

[deejsteriser]

Hi finno. I won't lie to you - a 6-channel heli like this is hard, even just to hover. The guys who do impressive 3D tricks are really talented! I'm completely self-taught, but leasons are a good idea.

This one is quite expensive - in excess of £1000 because of the other stuff you need. When learning, you *will* crash, so budget for it. Consider starting on a smaller, electric heli. They survive better when dropped, and are easier to get in the air. Any questions, let me know. Good luck!

[finno123456]

thanks for the reply i think i will stick to the smallest one out there

[Runescaper904614]

also its better to fly on simulators for at least a few dozen hours just to get the basics then try with the undercarriage and then finnaly without it. it might be costy, around 300-400$ for the simulator, idk but it could save u repairing it after crashing. i currently own a raptor, flew it 2 weeks ago and b4 i was flying on a simulator and it helped very much and + i didnt even crash it yet =P

[johnsoncp13]

I bet you fly it really well now, nearly a year later lol.

[deejsteriser]

Getting there! Far from doing 3D moves yet though.

[mickris07]

Well done I just started and finding it a bit hard, but looking forward to learn and start flying better

Cheers!!!!

[deejsteriser]

Yeah - it's a lot harder than it looks when you start out, but stick at it - it does click eventually! Good luck!

[kevincarbonaro]

excellent, keep improving your skills one step at a time, no need to hurry and be over confident. I've learnt to fly planes and helis on simulator first myself, still not an expert after 5 years with planes, 2 years with helis, but I do have fun and enjoy the hobby!

[Flatron8976]

wow..awesome !!!!!

[pwingnut]

i just got a hirobo 30 to learn with i have 2 planes also i am good with them but need to master the heli you have any tips

[deejsteriser]

Well, I'm no expert, but my advice would be this. Definitely use a training undercarriage until you're feeling very confident. Everyone says you should get an expert to help you, but I'm completely self taught. Spend LOTS of time carefully building and setting up the heli-there are a lot of adjustments. Learn to hover before anything-try and get out of ground effect by hovering around 0.5-1m off the ground, but don't be too confident and go above this until you've mastered the hover.

Good luck!

[pwingnut]

did you use simulator there ment to be a great help i learnt how to fly planes on simulator thank you for your reply hope you go on enjoying your heli

[deejsteriser]

I briefly used FMS simulator. But to be honest, I preferred persevering with the real thing. It depends how confident you're feeling.

[kapitanC]

keep it up

[team222badbrad]

great job dude

how long have you had it?

is that a 30? sounds like one to me!

I've got lots of heli and sceadu vids on my channel!

I've had mine a year and still can't nose in.

But I don't fly a lot.

Good LUCK!

[deejsteriser]

cheers!

Had it about 2 months, but really only get to fly at weekends.

It's a 50 model with an OS .50 Ringed SX-H Hyper engine. I guess the recording may make it sound slightly different.

[crosstrace]

now stick your undercarriage back on and do the same thing ;nose in; you will be great in a couple of weeks i wont deceive you. from someone with experience .....

[deejsteriser]

Thanks crosstrace - Nose-in is my next step. I've been held back by a fuel mixture problem, but I think I've cracked it now. Cheers!

[superpunkmuffin]

You're flying your chopper without undercarriage on? have you no sense of decency? Your mother might be watching! :)

[mrjaaay]

Magnificence in flight!