To be fair to the Windies, decisions did go against them. But to react the way they did was atrociously poor. Kicking stumps out of the ground, barging the umpire over, their behaviour was a disgrace.
Aussie bowlers may get a bit hot headed at times, (Warne, McGrath, Big Merv) but they were never this bad - he should have been taken straight out of the attack and suspended.
I agree, although I think it is good for all fast-bowlers to get hot-headed at times, the 2 Victorian products Peter Siddle and James Pattinson show aggression and they were our 2 most successful bowlers in the most recent Sydney and Melbourne tests. Aggression in the form of sledging (reasonably and within the boundaries) and bouncers is good, but when it transfers to threatening umpires and having temper tantrums, it has gone too far. Holding should have been suspended, yes.
Amazing conduct. Disgraceful. Ironically, this is during the times of their wearing all whites which is different from this generation attiring themselves with the uniform colours which make them look as if soccer or rugby players. (And probably will make them feel and act as such).
'Real cricket' haha love it! I appreciate all forms of cricket as I just love the qualities of each game, however no match leaves me quite as fulfilled as after watching a Test match, especially a win. Truly the greatest form of cricket, and David Warner is evidence that T20 blasters can still aspire to be great Test players.
@nathanstorm7 David Warner has had a brilliant start to his Test career, no doubt about that, although against NZ he did take a single off the first ball of an over thereby exposing Nathan Lyon to the bowling which proved fatal. Great to watch the other day but I hope he can pull his head in when required. Still can't get excited about 20/20 stuff because it seems so unimportant compared to Test Cricket. They might as well just put bowling machines at the end of the pitch.
Yeah, Warner has been excellent although his mindset has been dangerous at times like that single you mentioned, as well as playing defensively to keep his wicket instead of playing his natural game when the score was 0/140+
I understand your attitude towards Twenty20, I still enjoy it but maybe it needs the revival that Test cricket has gotten lately, with some greentops? Although, too many people appreciate explosive batting over brilliant bowling.
@nathanstorm7 India controls cricket only because Indian, cricket has so much money. Not so long ago they were ranked number one Test team in the world, now look at them, thrashed by England and 3 humiliating thrashings in Australia. Media and officials seem to be doing everything they can to wreck Test Cricket, ending play for poor light on grounds where lighting is so good you could carry out open heart surgery, strange scheduling of Tests, eg starting Sydney on 3rd instead of 2nd.
@nathanstorm7 As far as people having a preference for watching batsmen taking the long handle rather than brilliant bowling, I think they go in for the spectacular, when Tate was bowling at frightening pace the crowds loved it. I'm an old fart of 48 so I guess I'm set in my ways, your description of feeling more fulfilled by watching Test Cricket is a great description, I've often said comparing Tests with the shorter forms was like comparing a 3 course meal at a top rest with McDonalds.
@hirdy6 I've always preferred watching a batsman getting a working over then getting dismissed to an edge, rather than sheer pace. I'm only 16 and have preferred Test cricket my entire life, I do like the other forms but there is just nothing like a 5 day match of Test cricket. I liked your analogy, it's very true after watching Australia work over India and dismiss them for 191 in Sydney before making 4/659 and bowling them out for 400, rather than a crash and bash T20 that is over in 2 hours.
The video's poster aske what would happen if the Aussies did this. Well, it would never happen because the Aussies would never be subject to the vile racist abuse the West Indies had to put up with (from the umpires no less).
Pure racism - the white cricket nations of the 70s and 80s couldn't stand a team of black men handing their asses to them regularly, so they tried to cheat and change the rules etc. Thank God we now have neutral umpires so this kind of parochial RACISM is harder to carry out.
@Terry1969ism What a load of nonsense. New Zealand is one of the least racist countries in the world- and one of the most multi-cultural. Just look at the racial breakdown of Auckland City!! AND NZ is one of the least corrupt nations in the world as well- so I have no doubt that the umpires did NOT cheat- yes they got decisions wrong, (don't we all) but it was not deliberate- and NOT through racist cheating. Some incompetence? More likely. As a Kiwi I'm insulted by the racist cheats accusation.
You moron, they were anything but racist, if it was obvious it would have been given out, it was a line-ball decision and as in most cases the batsman got the benefit of the doubt. Anytime anything goes against anyone but a white person, it's 'racism', what if it was the other way round, and New Zealand were smashing the WI on their home turf, and a WI umpire gave a NZ player out? Is that racism? No, because the NZ player was white. Give me a break, racism has to work both ways.
I always thought he'd kicked over the stumps at the umpire's end. Nowadays the umpires would've walked off (in the face of Lloyd's inaction) and the miscreant wouldve been banned for at least a couple of years.
Not good at all, but it is glorified indelibly now as a symbol of the region's socio-cultural history. Today, these guys might have been banned for reasonable lengths of time - whatever their justification.
Bad umpiring isn't an excuse to butt the umpire..imagine if the Indians had done something to the umpires at Sydney 2007-08...for excuses similar to those offered by these two and the 'folklore' that has been cultivated around these diciplinary incidents!
Goodall's self-righteousness is suffocating. Man, I want to thrwo up just listening to him justify his blatant (lack of) actions. Whichever slip fielder (Richards, I am guessing) said that was absolutely spot on.
@pavedats He could crack out some racist "gags" as an after dinner speaker at functions, apparently one of the reasons the Windies didn't particularly like him.
@robelinda2 We, your YouTube subscribers will vote for you. What's the e-mail address of that old woman in Buckingham palace, again? We can send in our opinions.
Why do idiots have to bring Ponting and Sachin into every video? Last time I checked, they hadn't even made their debuts when the match in this video was being played. Discuss issues relevant to the video, people!
Everyone knows that the West Indies were cheated out of this series by the umpires. Their inability to make correct decisions bordered on the incompetence or blatant cheating. For Goodall to make the comments he did are laughable as he was the main culprit
@"Imagine if Ponting was captain of a team with this behaviour? Bowlers kicking stumps down, running into umpires and physically hurting them....." - Mate, the umpiring those days in New Zealand was so disgraceful, bowlers felt they needed to appeal after getting batsmen bowled!
Much as I still hero-worship him as a fast bowler legend, hearing Holding droning on these days about the correct application of the laws of the game can jar a bit from time to time. He's never atoned for his many sins of gamesmanship and intimidation as a young man but still believes, now he's in his fifties,that he brings wisdom to the conduct of current cricketers.
Fair play to him, he's usually right nowadays - but I'd love him to hold up his own example as the epitome of the wrong one!
@asisrout1988 Yes we get ESPN, have done for the last 16 years. Unfortunately its not the 'good' ESPN from India, its the American broadcast, or at least it was. Back when I taped this they used to show some classic cicket for Australia audiences.
@robelinda2 Actually ESPN is in joint venure with Star(News Corp) in Asia.It is headquartered in Singapore.So we get three channels from this venture-ESPN,Star Sports and Star Cricket.Another Cricket channel is the Ten Cricket from Ten Sports.It shows mostly classic Sharjah stuff.But I wonder why there are not many uploads of these matches?I envy the huge collections of Pakistan cricket on YT.Not sure how many in India heard of video recorders back in 80s and 90s?
Ponting will captain australia till the 2013 ashes. take my word for it. everybody goes through a slump. Once he gets out of it he'll be on fire again :) Don't diss his passion. At lease when he scores 100's australia win matches. Unlike pussies like tendulkar :D
@satyam1729 Seriously that is bullshit. Sachin is a convicted ball tamperer. FACT. You call Punter a cheat, look in the mirror. Tell me, who scored more runs in the entire 2000's? Yeah get back to me. Thats why he can be compared to Sachin. Idiot.
@robelinda2 Ponting is no cheat but he seems to a bit hypocrite.He tells the opposition players to take the words of his fielders.But if I am not mistaken on one instance against Sri Lanka he stood his ground and earned a reprieve when Jayawardene claimed his catch in one of the finals of the VB series 05-06.But he petulantly lectured again about this issue in the recent Ashes when the third umpire ruled in favour of the batsman.But one loves his commitment to his cricket.
@asisrout1988 I don't think Tendulkar tampered the ball .The match was mostly played in soggy conditions.So it was no point in trying for reverse swing by tampering the seam.You will want the seam to be in good health for conventional swing.The Referee Mike Deness was absoloutely biased.He suspended 5 Indian players for excess appealing and other inane reasons.I say WTF?Waqar and Shoaib were convicted of ball tampering as well.Sidhu and Prabhakar have have agreed doing it but never got caught.
@rk1271 I'd love to see punter and holiding in the same team. match winning combo. id go with those types or passionate cricketers than pussies like tendulkar who score 100s for themselves
@robelinda2 New Zealand and England seem to have the best quality footage for the 70s - the ABC footage appears to be slightly below par of those two until Channel 9 took over. Intriguing too, that NZ got colour TV one year before us!
I'd be pissed as well...it was obvious you could see it move off and hear the nick as well...
xpat73 2 weeks ago
ponting doesnt even bowl. why bring him into this
dj6ful 1 month ago
YOU FUCKING CHEAT.
Thanks though, Robert.
vindaisatossermini2 1 month ago
To be fair to the Windies, decisions did go against them. But to react the way they did was atrociously poor. Kicking stumps out of the ground, barging the umpire over, their behaviour was a disgrace.
Tehui1974 1 month ago
Aussie bowlers may get a bit hot headed at times, (Warne, McGrath, Big Merv) but they were never this bad - he should have been taken straight out of the attack and suspended.
Jurassic56 1 month ago
@Jurassic56
I agree, although I think it is good for all fast-bowlers to get hot-headed at times, the 2 Victorian products Peter Siddle and James Pattinson show aggression and they were our 2 most successful bowlers in the most recent Sydney and Melbourne tests. Aggression in the form of sledging (reasonably and within the boundaries) and bouncers is good, but when it transfers to threatening umpires and having temper tantrums, it has gone too far. Holding should have been suspended, yes.
nathanstorm7 1 month ago
Holding going mad .. :)
wishwacom 1 month ago
Thanks for your awesome cricket videos - a superb collection. Much appreciated, and subscribed.
apdodger 2 months ago
Amazing conduct. Disgraceful. Ironically, this is during the times of their wearing all whites which is different from this generation attiring themselves with the uniform colours which make them look as if soccer or rugby players. (And probably will make them feel and act as such).
eddyvideostar 3 months ago
@eddyvideostar They still wear white during real cricket.
hirdy6 3 months ago
@hirdy6. "Real cricket." I like that. Thank you. Well done.
eddyvideostar 2 months ago
@hirdy6
'Real cricket' haha love it! I appreciate all forms of cricket as I just love the qualities of each game, however no match leaves me quite as fulfilled as after watching a Test match, especially a win. Truly the greatest form of cricket, and David Warner is evidence that T20 blasters can still aspire to be great Test players.
nathanstorm7 1 month ago
@nathanstorm7 David Warner has had a brilliant start to his Test career, no doubt about that, although against NZ he did take a single off the first ball of an over thereby exposing Nathan Lyon to the bowling which proved fatal. Great to watch the other day but I hope he can pull his head in when required. Still can't get excited about 20/20 stuff because it seems so unimportant compared to Test Cricket. They might as well just put bowling machines at the end of the pitch.
hirdy6 1 month ago
@hirdy6
Yeah, Warner has been excellent although his mindset has been dangerous at times like that single you mentioned, as well as playing defensively to keep his wicket instead of playing his natural game when the score was 0/140+
I understand your attitude towards Twenty20, I still enjoy it but maybe it needs the revival that Test cricket has gotten lately, with some greentops? Although, too many people appreciate explosive batting over brilliant bowling.
nathanstorm7 1 month ago
@nathanstorm7 India controls cricket only because Indian, cricket has so much money. Not so long ago they were ranked number one Test team in the world, now look at them, thrashed by England and 3 humiliating thrashings in Australia. Media and officials seem to be doing everything they can to wreck Test Cricket, ending play for poor light on grounds where lighting is so good you could carry out open heart surgery, strange scheduling of Tests, eg starting Sydney on 3rd instead of 2nd.
hirdy6 1 month ago
@nathanstorm7 As far as people having a preference for watching batsmen taking the long handle rather than brilliant bowling, I think they go in for the spectacular, when Tate was bowling at frightening pace the crowds loved it. I'm an old fart of 48 so I guess I'm set in my ways, your description of feeling more fulfilled by watching Test Cricket is a great description, I've often said comparing Tests with the shorter forms was like comparing a 3 course meal at a top rest with McDonalds.
hirdy6 1 month ago
@hirdy6 I've always preferred watching a batsman getting a working over then getting dismissed to an edge, rather than sheer pace. I'm only 16 and have preferred Test cricket my entire life, I do like the other forms but there is just nothing like a 5 day match of Test cricket. I liked your analogy, it's very true after watching Australia work over India and dismiss them for 191 in Sydney before making 4/659 and bowling them out for 400, rather than a crash and bash T20 that is over in 2 hours.
nathanstorm7 1 month ago
Fred Goodall, I would have punched you in the face and punched the shameless batsman in the nuts and killed the other umpire
ahmerahmer 3 months ago
NZ cheated to win this series...the only way they had a chance. It was 13 against 11!
Dilmah82 4 months ago
The video's poster aske what would happen if the Aussies did this. Well, it would never happen because the Aussies would never be subject to the vile racist abuse the West Indies had to put up with (from the umpires no less).
rohanps 4 months ago 2
Holdring has to see this and remember again, that's what he is now..cheat, bias and racist...They desereved it, for thier future behavior
tupudi 5 months ago
You're nothing but a cheat!!! Yeah, that's right!!! Michael played with passion and you umpired with your not-so-powerful specs.
robierox524 6 months ago
Pure racism - the white cricket nations of the 70s and 80s couldn't stand a team of black men handing their asses to them regularly, so they tried to cheat and change the rules etc. Thank God we now have neutral umpires so this kind of parochial RACISM is harder to carry out.
Terry1969ism 6 months ago
@Terry1969ism What a load of nonsense. New Zealand is one of the least racist countries in the world- and one of the most multi-cultural. Just look at the racial breakdown of Auckland City!! AND NZ is one of the least corrupt nations in the world as well- so I have no doubt that the umpires did NOT cheat- yes they got decisions wrong, (don't we all) but it was not deliberate- and NOT through racist cheating. Some incompetence? More likely. As a Kiwi I'm insulted by the racist cheats accusation.
luvbite1 3 months ago
@Terry1969ism
You moron, they were anything but racist, if it was obvious it would have been given out, it was a line-ball decision and as in most cases the batsman got the benefit of the doubt. Anytime anything goes against anyone but a white person, it's 'racism', what if it was the other way round, and New Zealand were smashing the WI on their home turf, and a WI umpire gave a NZ player out? Is that racism? No, because the NZ player was white. Give me a break, racism has to work both ways.
nathanstorm7 1 month ago
I always thought he'd kicked over the stumps at the umpire's end. Nowadays the umpires would've walked off (in the face of Lloyd's inaction) and the miscreant wouldve been banned for at least a couple of years.
JasonRadley 6 months ago
brilliant video quality!!!!!!
bhushan732 6 months ago 6
@bhushan732 I do my best!
robelinda2 6 months ago
Not good at all, but it is glorified indelibly now as a symbol of the region's socio-cultural history. Today, these guys might have been banned for reasonable lengths of time - whatever their justification.
Bad umpiring isn't an excuse to butt the umpire..imagine if the Indians had done something to the umpires at Sydney 2007-08...for excuses similar to those offered by these two and the 'folklore' that has been cultivated around these diciplinary incidents!
sbTCWJ 7 months ago
Look at the batsman's reaction he new he nicked it. 1980 worst umpiring that is how a third garde team like NZ beat WI It was 13 vs 11
Bhuddababajee 7 months ago
@Bhuddababajee Go fuck yourself
ThunderStruckBeast69 7 months ago
Umpire was racist. Simple as.
rohanps 8 months ago
@rohanps So what excuse did the West Indian umpires have? Simple incompetence?
JasonRadley 6 months ago
The Windies came to NZ as Packer superstars and thought they'd get it all their own way.
Didn't happen and we can all now see the results.
blairomatic 8 months ago
what a brat!
sbTCWJ 8 months ago
@sbTCWJ
aravindao909 7 months ago
Don't you just love cheating Kiwi umpires? But they got their just desserts -- Trevor Chappell WOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
TripleDeeeee 9 months ago 3
Goodall's self-righteousness is suffocating. Man, I want to thrwo up just listening to him justify his blatant (lack of) actions. Whichever slip fielder (Richards, I am guessing) said that was absolutely spot on.
Imrankniazi 9 months ago 4
@Imrankniazi Try living in NZ, we're a nation of self-righteous moaners. And yes, it is suffocating, that's why so many Kiwis live overseas!
mkeysou812 4 months ago
@mkeysou812 You're more than welcome to join them
luvbite1 3 months ago
Thanks for this video. I heard about this incident, never saw it on video before
sonofthedestroyer 9 months ago
How out was that !
danjsy 10 months ago
bowlers should do this more often
gstephenson23 10 months ago 2
I have a Math test on Monday and I just discovered your channel today and am hooked.. oh lord give me the strength to study for my test!!
ayushcena 10 months ago
Is Fred Goodall the most boring man ever to have existed?
pavedats 10 months ago 30
@pavedats i guess so
navneetsohanpal 8 months ago
@pavedats Try a Star Wars convention.
JasonRadley 6 months ago
@pavedats He could crack out some racist "gags" as an after dinner speaker at functions, apparently one of the reasons the Windies didn't particularly like him.
mkeysou812 4 months ago
Give it three years, I'll enoble you...in the name of HM Queen of course. You'll be Lord Nerd of Nerdington.
mrploat 10 months ago
@mrploat I'll take it!
robelinda2 10 months ago
I'll do it if no-one else will.....arise Sir robelinda2, for services to cricket on youtube
*taps shoulders with the sword*
mrploat 10 months ago
@mrploat Hah, im just a nerd. Has a nerd ever been knighted?
robelinda2 10 months ago
@robelinda2 We, your YouTube subscribers will vote for you. What's the e-mail address of that old woman in Buckingham palace, again? We can send in our opinions.
Sir RobeLinda2 sounds funky!
Imrankniazi 9 months ago
Why do idiots have to bring Ponting and Sachin into every video? Last time I checked, they hadn't even made their debuts when the match in this video was being played. Discuss issues relevant to the video, people!
Imrankniazi 10 months ago 28
@Imrankniazi I think the answer is in your question - because they are idiots!
bozobingbox 3 months ago
Well Said Rob.
CoolStoryBrosauce 11 months ago
Everyone knows that the West Indies were cheated out of this series by the umpires. Their inability to make correct decisions bordered on the incompetence or blatant cheating. For Goodall to make the comments he did are laughable as he was the main culprit
anthonyaduhene 11 months ago
@"Imagine if Ponting was captain of a team with this behaviour? Bowlers kicking stumps down, running into umpires and physically hurting them....." - Mate, the umpiring those days in New Zealand was so disgraceful, bowlers felt they needed to appeal after getting batsmen bowled!
dagaonkar22 11 months ago
Much as I still hero-worship him as a fast bowler legend, hearing Holding droning on these days about the correct application of the laws of the game can jar a bit from time to time. He's never atoned for his many sins of gamesmanship and intimidation as a young man but still believes, now he's in his fifties,that he brings wisdom to the conduct of current cricketers.
Fair play to him, he's usually right nowadays - but I'd love him to hold up his own example as the epitome of the wrong one!
ludocrat 11 months ago
always wanted to see this thanks bud.
TopGearDog431 11 months ago
@TopGearDog431 You are welcome!
robelinda2 11 months ago
@robelinda2 You should be nominated for cricket hall of fame. You have given more happiness to cricket fans that most batsmen have
ssjumbo2 10 months ago
@ssjumbo2 Thanks man, ENJOY THE VIDEOS!
robelinda2 10 months ago
these umpires turn the devil on in these west indies Fast Bowlers of this series...
abner5640 11 months ago
But Rob how can you get the ESPN bar in this video if it happens to be taped by you?I believe ESPN is mot available in Australia!
asisrout1988 11 months ago
@asisrout1988 Yes we get ESPN, have done for the last 16 years. Unfortunately its not the 'good' ESPN from India, its the American broadcast, or at least it was. Back when I taped this they used to show some classic cicket for Australia audiences.
robelinda2 11 months ago
@robelinda2 Actually ESPN is in joint venure with Star(News Corp) in Asia.It is headquartered in Singapore.So we get three channels from this venture-ESPN,Star Sports and Star Cricket.Another Cricket channel is the Ten Cricket from Ten Sports.It shows mostly classic Sharjah stuff.But I wonder why there are not many uploads of these matches?I envy the huge collections of Pakistan cricket on YT.Not sure how many in India heard of video recorders back in 80s and 90s?
asisrout1988 11 months ago
But Rob how can you get the ESPN bar in this video if it happens to be taped by you?I believe ESPN is not available in Australia!
asisrout1988 11 months ago
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asisrout1988 11 months ago
I don't like Michael Holding's commentary, great bowler but a boring and dour commentator who is unwilling to give praise when it is deserved.
CoolStoryBrosauce 11 months ago
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Crkt4Eva 11 months ago
RACISTS UMPIRE
MyCockzHindusBaghwan 11 months ago
I see why the opposition used to fear the West Indies for so long!
gdawgfernandez 11 months ago
Ponting will captain australia till the 2013 ashes. take my word for it. everybody goes through a slump. Once he gets out of it he'll be on fire again :) Don't diss his passion. At lease when he scores 100's australia win matches. Unlike pussies like tendulkar :D
nottellingu0 11 months ago
@nottellingu0
Punter is a disgrace to cricket. Only one-eyed Aussie will compare him to Sachin. Punter is a cheat and fraud.
satyam1729 11 months ago
@satyam1729 Seriously that is bullshit. Sachin is a convicted ball tamperer. FACT. You call Punter a cheat, look in the mirror. Tell me, who scored more runs in the entire 2000's? Yeah get back to me. Thats why he can be compared to Sachin. Idiot.
robelinda2 11 months ago
@robelinda2 Ponting is no cheat but he seems to a bit hypocrite.He tells the opposition players to take the words of his fielders.But if I am not mistaken on one instance against Sri Lanka he stood his ground and earned a reprieve when Jayawardene claimed his catch in one of the finals of the VB series 05-06.But he petulantly lectured again about this issue in the recent Ashes when the third umpire ruled in favour of the batsman.But one loves his commitment to his cricket.
asisrout1988 11 months ago
@asisrout1988 I don't think Tendulkar tampered the ball .The match was mostly played in soggy conditions.So it was no point in trying for reverse swing by tampering the seam.You will want the seam to be in good health for conventional swing.The Referee Mike Deness was absoloutely biased.He suspended 5 Indian players for excess appealing and other inane reasons.I say WTF?Waqar and Shoaib were convicted of ball tampering as well.Sidhu and Prabhakar have have agreed doing it but never got caught.
asisrout1988 11 months ago
I'd say that Punter would "lead by example" :)
Great footage. We've only seen these in pictures in sports magazines and now 31 years later, we see it with amazing clarity. Thanks Rob!
rk1271 11 months ago 2
@rk1271 You are welcome sir! And which idiot flagged your message as spam???
robelinda2 11 months ago
@robelinda2 No idea! Maybe it was nottelingu?
rk1271 11 months ago
Michael Holding is the Greatest Fast Bowler Ever to have sat foot on The Earth and that Westindies Team was the Greatest Cricket Team Ever
ixale66 11 months ago
I'd say that Punter would "lead by example: :)
Great footage. We've only seen these in pictures in sports magazines and now 31 years later, we see it with amazing clarity. Thanks Rob!
rk1271 11 months ago
@rk1271 I'd love to see punter and holiding in the same team. match winning combo. id go with those types or passionate cricketers than pussies like tendulkar who score 100s for themselves
nottellingu0 11 months ago
Brilliant stuff, this video. Ponting wouldn't be captain for very long, the cat calls would force him out quick smart!
saustfootball 11 months ago
By the way, how good is some of my old footage, very clear footage for 1980!
robelinda2 11 months ago
@robelinda2 New Zealand and England seem to have the best quality footage for the 70s - the ABC footage appears to be slightly below par of those two until Channel 9 took over. Intriguing too, that NZ got colour TV one year before us!
saustfootball 11 months ago
@saustfootball I actually taped this off tv about 6 years ago, the whole series was shown here on tv! Bizarre in itself.
robelinda2 11 months ago