Bagua Combat Applications

[MrVatistas]

Bagua being a souther china derived system is characterized by ''explosion'' of techniques ,clarity of movements and some quick stops in some cases.The demonstration we see is neither southern nor executed efficiently.

[droned23]

he looks like a gay air bender

[says007]

Very nice bodywork, any man, who can move at this rate of speed, coordinated hand and foot works, should be a formidable foe...hopefully, he has the proper understanding and knowledge if these applications, which are simple, yet complicated...if you know, you know! Sometimes, traditional practitioners compete in WuShu, categories... tournaments are a mere platform to demonstrate...good job! Steven NYC WuTang

[shengchenfan]

Cool,but where are the applications?

[shawandrew]

What I don't see here at all: combat or applications. What I do see: Dancing. They should call this "Dancing applications".

[xeniamoscow]

This is just ballet, not bagua

[ThirdEyeLight]

lol really? Seriously? Not bagua? Watch the foot work.

[MrGamalier]

god you really dont know anithing about martial arts.

[DarkninAngeI]

I would get so dizzy o.o;;

[reforest4fertility]

Just work up to it & you'll be fine. ... oh, but then realize we all, or most of us, got a base dizzyness before we start spinning at all. Then the real "fun" starts (getting down to business)

[Hipponinja904]

It's not THAT exciting. Lol

[nagi85]

You have form and then you have sanshou (free hand methods.) Which all kung fu styles have but this is merely a performance. A good one which shows some good power, but a performance none the less. Not saying he doesn't know the applications.

[tristienm]

Wushu is split down the middle into two components, taolu and sanda. Taolu is forms competition, and sanda is sparring competition. Sanda is currently the discipline in use by the Chinese military. All of it is gongfu. Qingwen xianzai nimen bu shuo le.

[tristienm]

This video is mislabeled. This is not combat applications, it is forms exhibition. Poy27 shi da sagwa.

[drchango2010]

all the sanda I've seen has been akin to K-1, that is kickboxing with 16oz gloves with throws and sweeps allowed.

So much of Chinese martial arts makes use of open hand strikes, trapping, seizing, and locking that I think modern sanda is missing that which makes Chinese traditional fighting techniques so special

[tristienm]

Sanda is not a particular type or style set with rules. Sanda just means combat applications. Of course the televised matches will have rules, but not all sanda is designed for the opponent's safety. The military sanda is designed for combat, though most soldiers take basic training and have no more than basic styles. Also, saying modern sanda is redundant. Sanda includes all styles that can be used for combat, the difference is in aims: wushu aims for aesthetics, sanda for war.

[drchango2010]

ah, so it's akin to that term "wukung" or martial discipline in place of "wushu" as martial art.

Groovy=)

[xeniamoscow]

@tristienm

This is true- for the sports version of wushu promoted by the Chinese government, so now the sportsmen who perform taolu can't fight, and those doing sanda can't (and don't) do the form.

Traditional wushu is not "split" into anything - taolu, duilian and sanshou are parts of one the the same art, and you have to practice them all.

this guy here is brilliant at gymnastics, but I bet he can't fight.

[ec97531]

In Contonese language, Kung Fu means martial art. Bruce Lee introduced Kung Fu (Chinese martial art) to United States.

Wushu is Mandarin means martial art.

[ichibanniko]

wushu wasnt meant for combat.

[vanCarnage]

it so is.

[ichibanniko]

hmmm nope. originally it was just meant for demonstration and athletic purposes, if you read about Chinese martial arts history. Even the PRC Government admits to that fact. I didnt say u cant use it for combat, i just said it wasn't meant for it.

[tntjperic]

Ichi is right van. Wushu was the old term for GungFu but around the early 1900s it was used as a martial art system to demonstrate the athletic skills of many Gung Fu styles. And its mostly used for movies since it is very flashy. A good chunk of moves used in Wushu you can no do in a real fight. If you don't belive me then I would like you to go outside and do some spinning jump kicks and back flips in a fight and see what happens. Only basic stuff like punchs and kicks would work.

[watupnigganigga]

yeah but there are many kung fu styles that are actually used for combat and many that can kill you just have to find the right one like what he is doing called the circle walk can used for evasion and can teach you different angles of fighting and bring the fighter in to your territory but its used different when actually used in combat

[tntjperic]

Yes I know that. I know the basics of Baguazhang and practice it weekly. My comment was about Wushu

[leonelmattos]

wushu = martial arts in cantonese

martial arts = arts of war.

or am i wrong?

The origin of wushu's techniques are synthesis of combat skills. Just ask that to any temple master, taoist or budhist.

[tntjperic]

Dear god is no one understanding what I said. we all know that Wushu was the term for Gung Fu pre 1900s then it became a martial system that wasnt about how to kick others asses but to show off the skills a artist could do if trained.

[rbfishman]

very true, wushu is definately a false act compared to kung fu in the shoa-lin temples, most people think a lot of wushu is true technique but is actually fake, the real moves are very different so you are correct

[Sha0linMasterKiller]

wushu in chinese means martial art, kung fu means energy and time. Wushu can be traditional or modern and traditional wushu can be used in combat. On this video u can see modern wushu, what is meant for demonstration, not fight. And kung fu isnt martial art, u can reach kung fu in any activity, if u gave many time and energy to this activity. (sorry for bad english, it isnt my language)

[ichibanniko]

yeah you're right about the literal meanings of each one, unfortunately though, Chinese isn't so simple as to be able to translate the literal meanings like that. Noone would actually call anything that you put work and time into 'kung fu' in a real sentence. :)

[rediance]

yeah I remember seeing some video of some guy who traveled to china and said that a funny thing about china is that nothing is really what it supposed to mean.. as in Chinese say one thing but they mean something else lol.

[macaddict1980]

Aww look, he's dancing.

[RDAWG2743]

the person that sent to months ago is compley right its wu shu demo

[ilikeaeroplanejelly]

Why is this marked as Combat Applications when it is clearly a modern wushu demonstration. It has no relation to combat at all.

[azdrel]

con certeza eh um video muito interessante, mas esta longe de ser uma das melhores demonstrações de bagua ou dobra de ar( of corse that is a very interesting video, but its too far away of being the better demonstration of ba gua zhang or air bending);p

[Hiei1314]

DAMN! What I'd give to be able to move like that! I've never seen Ba gua before, so this is really amazing!!

No wonder Brike chose this form of martial arts for airbending!

[Furlies]

I totally agree! It literally looks like he's walking on air and being twisted and turned effortlessly by the wind by his own will!

[manukast]

total lack of understanding of bagua

looks good to someone with no idea but breaks almost everyone of the bagua principles.

[kungfuserge]

Completely external look for Guo Chuanye she is the best one in Bagua demo (1980's)

[galvatorix666]

Now i know why this style was choses for air bending...its mostly composed of defensive moved and only little offense. well its looks cool anyways.

[meh800]

lol it looked like he was about to fall over alot.

[lauravaron]

Well that was beautiful.

[jr2861]

i perfer bagua

[chazteddybell]

woohoohooshooshoo

[nagexingqisi]

Like the blue socks!

[TripleBMusicGroup]

This is Wushu mixed with a little traditional Ba gua form. More Wushu though... A flaw here and there but this guy is great. I love his dynamic flow period.

[BaguazhangMaster]

hmmm.....hes very talented but i see some mistakes in his form

[142CRASH]

is there a possibility it's Baguazhang?

[Luohan108]

Modern Wushu? In the west we obsess over the scientific applications of Martial Arts. In the east they obsess over the movement. Should this man need to apply his skill of movement to combat i have no doubt he could. Just as i have no doubt a good footballer could give me a strong kick on the nuts, even though he does not train to do so.

[UltravioletShanghai]

This is modern Chinese wushu. Wushu means originally "self-defense", or "martial art", however is now the name for competition-oriented show-gongfu. I wouldn't say it's combat applications. Wushu is practised for nice looks and high technical difficulty. Check out "Wushu One Family", they do twists on all jumps, to make them more difficult, to score higher in competitions. Has nothing to do with self defense.

[ginabanadab]

is this wushu?

[baguazhangman]

combat applications??!!

[yiquanman]

ok, its cool if you like wushu, and as wushu is can be appreciated, but but call it Bagua Zhang is just a lie, their simply is no bagua skill being expressed in this demo. Its not about whether its trad or modern, its just about being honest as to what it is in its self, and this is a very impressive and difficult to perform DANCE.

[Aetherus7]

You are actually right. not sure why anyone familiar with the art would mark you low. It could be called "stylized bagua movement" maybe. I practice traditional Cheng and Liang styles from a direct lineage myself, as well as Yi chuan ;-) Great stuff aint it?

[theMAG101]

Yeh I have to weigh in and agree on this as well, just because the negative marks on your comment are unwarranted. This is not Baguazhang. It's just not. His footwork makes me cringe.

That's not meant as disrespect to the guy, I'm sure he's a great wushu player.

[tjwojo]

I agree with you as well. I have been studying traditional Bagua zhang and this simply isn't. Not sure why people are exactly insulted, its the truth.

[jsbachenthusiast]

flowery fists and embroidery kicks indeed...

[wushu28]

the performer is liu haibo from henan - his wushu is amazing!!! if you understand wushu than you don´t need to talk about is, like is this right or wrong, is this trad. or modern. bla bla bla. this is his personal style of bagua, and it´s great!!!

[Luohan108]

I agree completely, wish more people would understand that.

[mattbody1969]

china beijing language and culture university has great masters in front of school gym everyday 17:00-20:00

[carbonlaminate]

Dumb question, but does the PRC allow the practice of internal arts at the same time acknowledging the idea of qi (or ch'i)?

[Enerjen]

Good learning video, the name "combat application" is a bit immodest but this is definitely competiton-level Bagua. Too bad the crowd is rowdy and there is no music.

[jacksawild]

flowery fists and embroidery kicks...

[Aceonis]

"flowery fists and embroidery kicks" tee hee! :)

'nuff said!

[warfox777]

This looks more like wushu than bagua. Good speed though

[crazyaznyay]

Work on traditional root of ba gua. Work on being fluent rather than speed.

[weirdkiddo142]

looks like he's just trying to catch a fly to me

[NassemAir]

too fast

[Christoph78]

I wonder why the title says combat applications?

[kolamancow]

LMAO, AIRBENDING HAHAHAHA

[Flash8pk85]

I like this fighting style I'd love to be able to do that.

[Eayne]

air bending? u watch to much tv.

[frdrcksncn]

now thats what i called Air bending.

[SignorFOX]

looks deadly

[g888]

its a funny kind of bagua ! quite different from most styles , he is fast but is his technique good???

[blackjamm]

I kinda hate wushu. It's not an irrational hate - it pollutes the arts of gongfu - but it's a sort of love hate, because it does look beautiful, and the footwork of the practitioners must be quite good.

[Dragoncache]

This is BaguaZhang and I'd add that it has a XingYi flavor to it, like so many Bagua branches out there. Po27 wrote "aucune" as comment. It means "none" in French. The guy doing the form might or might not know how to fight with these moves but in the branch of Bagua I'm training in has similar moves (the non-XingYi ones). They all have applications to them. It's not because they're not as obvious those in Karate or boxing that they're not there! Meeting a REAL Bagua teacher would convince you!

[Baguazhangster]

THIS IS THE WUSHU TEAM! This is fake BS

[Tuanducngo]

Actually, the person is demonstrating Bagua, because it's obvious with his circle movements.

[Derukugi2]

I don´t get this. This guy is just dancing around, where is the "combat application"?

[HiddenPalm]

This is just a form there are no combat applications. Why was this titled "combat applications"?

[coalkornx]

bagua isn't used in competitions because most of the techniques are breaking bones...

[xingyiquan5]

Wu shu vomit.

[Tazz77]

The title of the clip is misleading. I thought there would be an actual demo of the forms fighting applications with a second person.

[tkdazndude051]

well i practice bagua and i can tell you that the combat aplications arent questionable at all. if u look close enough you can even see scientific reasons for y the work. and this guy is smooth and quick, but sumtimes forgets form. if you look closely when he's going across the mat, he doesnt put his heel down, then the sole of the foot. in bagua u always put ur heel down first.

[littlecannon]

It reallly depends on how you are taught and by whom. I was taught to place my foot down flat. In taijiquan I was taught to put the heal down first, it all depends on what stepping method you are using... there are numerous ways to walk.. i.e. mud stepping, lion steps, crane steps etc.

[ashwix]

Combat Applications!? Real Bagua's combat applications are questionable, let alone this competitive wushu dance!!!

[ATiRAGEPRO]

I seriously doubt you know anything about Wushu, so don't start pretending you know something you don't. Bagua's combat ablications aren't questionable just because YOU would suck at them. >_>

[ashwix]

3 years and 5 hours a day in the Beijing University of Sport majoring in Wushu. Selected to represent my country in Changchuan, straight sword, and spear. 10 years in China studying traditional wushu says you are talking through your ass. If you could fight with it people would. Not one bagua fighter in national sanda competition or MMA competition in China. Wake up and smell the roses loser

[ATiRAGEPRO]

no, actualy, YOU are the one that needs to wake up. I am a Wushu practitioner myself, everyone I know would tell you that i average a 10 hour training session for the past 10 years. I know my stuff, as well as Many different fighting styles that are not even related to Shaolin.

[ATiRAGEPRO]

I don't talk out of my "ass", Because common sense would tell you that the effectiveness of ANY martial art depends entirely on the person who uses it. Calling Ba Gua questionable prooves that you would lack the common sense to use it.

Since i am experianced with almost every other martial art, I KNOW HOW BAGUA WOULD WORK AGAINST THEM. I'm not trying to brag, I'm just telling the truth. You don't seem like Shaolin to me at all.

[cfG21]

Dude all the real internal fighters left to taiwan. That wu shu that you learn in beijing is for showing off.

[ashwix]

Finally someone with half a brain.

You are right about the Wushu in Beijing being for show...its sensational for the movies and thats about all. The guy in this video is one of those guys who do wushu for show.... ATiRAGEPRO just doesnt want to wake up....

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[cfG21]

have you ever fought someone who knows ba gua? my neck and joints were twisted all ver the place.

[adfeatherstone]

A couple of point to be addressed

1)ashwix: agreed this is wushu pap, however to say "Real Bagua's combat applications are questionable" shows ignorance on your part, i suggest you go find a good teacher who can put you through your paces.

[adfeatherstone]

2)cfG21: "Dude all the real internal fighters left to taiwan." Bullshit! Pure and simple, i assume you were trying to be funny! Martial arts are ingrained into Chinese culture (just like overconsuming and arrogance are part of US culture). The only reason people say shite like that is political, pure and simple! The real china is in taiwan...blah blah! Started by Tiawanese propogated by USA.

[ace52387]

He's slick, and i think the fact that it's modern wushu could be kind of overlooked if there weren't these weird excessive neck and hand movements. It looks like theatre almost. Way too much head movement. Maybe one day contemporary wushu will discover how ugly these head movements are and it will throw it out the window in every regulated style.

[YINREAL]

Redeclous. Maybe brain fire problem.